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The draft is getting closer, and every little bit of info helps
haha, i'm not too far behind you on this. But for some reason, I like Decker at his current ADP. Round 8?Texans player
Giants player
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Every Ram not named Zac
Every Chief not named Jamaal or Travis
Ooooooooothis will probably come back to get me but I couldn't take arian foster. looked slow a couple seasons ago and now with the back....in theory they aren't the powerhouse offense they used to be.
If RG3 scares you (scares me too), does that shy you away from Morris, Garcon and DJax too?Definite will not draft: Steven Jackson, Danny Amendola, RG3----all HUGE injury risks. RG3 continued to look reckless in the Browns game last night.
Players I'm having significant reservations about unless they fall dramatically: Gronk, A Peterson, Arian Foster--- all are injury risks. I know many are high on AP because of Turner, but I can't help but to think that he's about to hit the wall at 29 considering the heavy wear on his treads. In my PPR league, I have Forte ranked above him.
Also on my high reservation list are: Dwayne Bowe (QB/motivation) and S Ridley(continues to fumble).
Not so much, because I think those players can continue to be successful with Cousins behind center. Actually think Morris could be a little underrated going into this season if anything. If I would downgrade any of those players it would be DJax given that Cousins probably would not get it to him deep as often.If RG3 scares you (scares me too), does that shy you away from Morris, Garcon and DJax too?Definite will not draft: Steven Jackson, Danny Amendola, RG3----all HUGE injury risks. RG3 continued to look reckless in the Browns game last night.
Players I'm having significant reservations about unless they fall dramatically: Gronk, A Peterson, Arian Foster--- all are injury risks. I know many are high on AP because of Turner, but I can't help but to think that he's about to hit the wall at 29 considering the heavy wear on his treads. In my PPR league, I have Forte ranked above him.
Also on my high reservation list are: Dwayne Bowe (QB/motivation) and S Ridley(continues to fumble).
Interesting, you've been wrong 2 out of 3 years on this subject.Cam newton
Every year.
I completely agree with this, it's the same for me. Part of fantasy is having a team that you like and honestly, most players I wouldn't draft.Every season, I pretty much have only a handful of guys I will draft and everyone else, for the most part, is undraftable to me. So I go into the draft, trying to figure out how to get as many of "my" guys as possible. I haven't actually
counted, but I probably have 40 guys I target and everyone else I barely notice.
Why not Bell and Ellington? Just curious. Agree with the othersHere's my list of ten which I am avoiding at their current ADP:
Foster
L.Bell
Gronk
Ellington
Richardson
Bowe
Rice/Pierce
Ingram
McFadden
Nicks
Good stuffQB
RGIII --- I'm just not sold on him as an NFL QB. He just isn't passing the eyeball test. Backup at best
Cam --- Their commitment to the running game, WR deficient, and a strong defense which leads to low scores doesn't excite me from a starting FF QB standpoint
Foles --- Once NFL teams have film on you, regression is inevitable. Subtract Desean and no thanks. I like him long term, just not this year
RB
Arian Foster--- Call me 8th pick scorned in 13' but a RB with his workload, a serious 2013 back injury, and a history of hamstrings is not even making my board before the 4th round.
Levon Bell --- He's solid and was a late round gamble last year who payed off nicely. However, the appeal of last year was the volume he received and I just don't see it with Blount breathing down his neck and especially at the goal line.
Ben Tate --- He's getting some love because he's playing the best at RB on what I think is a really crappy team. Throw in the fact he's got a rookie waiting to pounce on carries. Translation: 15 carries 65 yards a game. Not good enough for where he'll get drafted IMO.
WR
Andre Johnson --- QB play and his heart is truly not going to be in it come week 5-6. Love his ability but unless he gets traded, avoid , avoid, avoid.
Calvin Johnson --- Here's my shocker. Love him and as a Lion's fan, it's hard to say this but O.C Joe Lombardi comes from the N.O. olive branch in which they spread the ball around and simply exploit what they think is the mismatch each week. Teams are not going to leave CJ alone so his coverage will dictate the ball going to Tate, Ebron, and just about everyone else. Unlike previous years, Stafford will trust the talent level around him. Trust me when I say Tate could put up similar numbers at a 6 round discount.
TE
Greg Olsen --- Naturally, when the WRs are a question mark he becomes a main target. Problem is, defenses will be saying the same thing and defend accordingly
Dennis Pitta --- I know the OC leans TE but I think we are asking a lot of a guy coming off a major injury to all of a sudden be the primary target as some suggest. If he's your backup, I'm thrilled, otherwise don't get caught up in the hype.
I love the homer take on players and this is an interesting perspective on Johnson that I had not heard. Will definitely be watching to see if this is the case. I think there is some hyperbole here, but it is possible that the better secondary receiving options cut into his target total a little bit and his receptions fall by a dozen or so.Please understand that these are all predicated on the idea that I'm not drafting these guys based on ADP.
QB
RGIII --- I'm just not sold on him as an NFL QB. He just isn't passing the eyeball test. Backup at best
Cam --- Their commitment to the running game, WR deficient, and a strong defense which leads to low scores doesn't excite me from a starting FF QB standpoint
Foles --- Once NFL teams have film on you, regression is inevitable. Subtract Desean and no thanks. I like him long term, just not this year
RB
Arian Foster--- Call me 8th pick scorned in 13' but a RB with his workload, a serious 2013 back injury, and a history of hamstrings is not even making my board before the 4th round.
Levon Bell --- He's solid and was a late round gamble last year who payed off nicely. However, the appeal of last year was the volume he received and I just don't see it with Blount breathing down his neck and especially at the goal line.
Ben Tate --- He's getting some love because he's playing the best at RB on what I think is a really crappy team. Throw in the fact he's got a rookie waiting to pounce on carries. Translation: 15 carries 65 yards a game. Not good enough for where he'll get drafted IMO.
WR
Andre Johnson --- QB play and his heart is truly not going to be in it come week 5-6. Love his ability but unless he gets traded, avoid , avoid, avoid.
Calvin Johnson --- Here's my shocker. Love him and as a Lion's fan, it's hard to say this but O.C Joe Lombardi comes from the N.O. olive branch in which they spread the ball around and simply exploit what they think is the mismatch each week. Teams are not going to leave CJ alone so his coverage will dictate the ball going to Tate, Ebron, and just about everyone else. Unlike previous years, Stafford will trust the talent level around him.It's getting pounded into his mindset to play smart and not force the ball to CJ or anyone else for that matter. Trust me when I say Tate could put up similar numbers at a 6 round discount.
TE
Greg Olsen --- Naturally, when the WRs are a question mark he becomes a main target. Problem is, defenses will be saying the same thing and defend accordingly
Dennis Pitta --- I know the OC leans TE but I think we are asking a lot of a guy coming off a major injury to all of a sudden be the primary target as some suggest. If he's your backup, I'm thrilled, otherwise don't get caught up in the hype.
Near their current ADP is what the question isNobody. Everyone is draftable at some point
CJ's talent is undeniable and I certainly would never call him a bust. I just think when people are taking him in the first round, they are not seeing the changes in philosophy in the Detroit camp. The Lions will be more successful IF they find a way of relying less on him and I think this coaching staff fully understands this. Just look at what made N.O. so successful. Great QB play and a truly unpredictable offense.I love the homer take on players and this is an interesting perspective on Johnson that I had not heard. Will definitely be watching to see if this is the case. I think there is some hyperbole here, but it is possible that the better secondary receiving options cut into his target total a little bit and his receptions fall by a dozen or so.Please understand that these are all predicated on the idea that I'm not drafting these guys based on ADP.
QB
RGIII --- I'm just not sold on him as an NFL QB. He just isn't passing the eyeball test. Backup at best
Cam --- Their commitment to the running game, WR deficient, and a strong defense which leads to low scores doesn't excite me from a starting FF QB standpoint
Foles --- Once NFL teams have film on you, regression is inevitable. Subtract Desean and no thanks. I like him long term, just not this year
RB
Arian Foster--- Call me 8th pick scorned in 13' but a RB with his workload, a serious 2013 back injury, and a history of hamstrings is not even making my board before the 4th round.
Levon Bell --- He's solid and was a late round gamble last year who payed off nicely. However, the appeal of last year was the volume he received and I just don't see it with Blount breathing down his neck and especially at the goal line.
Ben Tate --- He's getting some love because he's playing the best at RB on what I think is a really crappy team. Throw in the fact he's got a rookie waiting to pounce on carries. Translation: 15 carries 65 yards a game. Not good enough for where he'll get drafted IMO.
WR
Andre Johnson --- QB play and his heart is truly not going to be in it come week 5-6. Love his ability but unless he gets traded, avoid , avoid, avoid.
Calvin Johnson --- Here's my shocker. Love him and as a Lion's fan, it's hard to say this but O.C Joe Lombardi comes from the N.O. olive branch in which they spread the ball around and simply exploit what they think is the mismatch each week. Teams are not going to leave CJ alone so his coverage will dictate the ball going to Tate, Ebron, and just about everyone else. Unlike previous years, Stafford will trust the talent level around him.It's getting pounded into his mindset to play smart and not force the ball to CJ or anyone else for that matter. Trust me when I say Tate could put up similar numbers at a 6 round discount.
TE
Greg Olsen --- Naturally, when the WRs are a question mark he becomes a main target. Problem is, defenses will be saying the same thing and defend accordingly
Dennis Pitta --- I know the OC leans TE but I think we are asking a lot of a guy coming off a major injury to all of a sudden be the primary target as some suggest. If he's your backup, I'm thrilled, otherwise don't get caught up in the hype.
I do disagree with you on Pitta. By all accounts he has been 100% and regained all of his explosiveness. I also think that the Ravens roster construction really works in his favor. Torrey and Steve Smith are both outside guys. Same with Jacoby Jones and Marlon Brown. One of those guys may bet some time in the slot out of pure necessity, but I think the de facto slot WR will be Pitta. He is going to be the go-to guy in the middle of the field and should have a very nice season in PPR leagues.
For Bell, I feel he is the most likely of the 2013 RB class for a sophomore slump. Yes he'll likely get a ton of carries, but the Steelers have a tough schedule against the run and Blount is a decent backup. His ADP is RB#10 which is fair but I don't see much upside.Why not Bell and Ellington? Just curious. Agree with the othersHere's my list of ten which I am avoiding at their current ADP:
Foster
L.Bell
Gronk
Ellington
Richardson
Bowe
Rice/Pierce
Ingram
McFadden
Nicks
CJ is bigger than Colston and has the body control of Joe Horn so yes you bring up a valid point. Why wouldn't Lombardi design the offense around him? It starts there, but it doesn't end there and THAT along with really good QB play makes his offense what it is. Diversify or get crucified which is what happened in Detroit the last two years. Everyone and their second cousin knew if you game planned to shut down CJ, they didn't have enough ammo to counteract it. This season will be different. This is the most talented WR core I've seen in a long time in Detroit.hi futz,
ashamed to say not really too familiar with lombardi's offense.
we see how graham is utilized in new orleans and the numbers he puts up.
has he had a receiver like calvin to design a gameplan with?
thanks for your insight.CJ is bigger than Colston and has the body control of Joe Horn so yes you bring up a valid point. Why wouldn't Lombardi design the offense around him? It starts there, but it doesn't end there and THAT along with really good QB play makes his offense what it is. Diversify or get crucified which is what happened in Detroit the last two years. Everyone and their second cousin knew if you game planned to shut down CJ, they didn't have enough ammo to counteract it. This season will be different. This is the most talented WR core I've seen in a long time in Detroit.hi futz,
ashamed to say not really too familiar with lombardi's offense.
we see how graham is utilized in new orleans and the numbers he puts up.
has he had a receiver like calvin to design a gameplan with?
I really see Calvin doing just about as good as Colston's best year in N.O. which puts him at 85-1300-10. Absolutely nothing to sneeze at but is this really that much better than the next 7 WRs on your draft board? It's just a steep investment IMO. You mention Graham and I'd take him and a whole lot of other players in the first round over CJ at this stage of the game.thanks for your insight.CJ is bigger than Colston and has the body control of Joe Horn so yes you bring up a valid point. Why wouldn't Lombardi design the offense around him? It starts there, but it doesn't end there and THAT along with really good QB play makes his offense what it is. Diversify or get crucified which is what happened in Detroit the last two years. Everyone and their second cousin knew if you game planned to shut down CJ, they didn't have enough ammo to counteract it. This season will be different. This is the most talented WR core I've seen in a long time in Detroit.hi futz,
ashamed to say not really too familiar with lombardi's offense.
we see how graham is utilized in new orleans and the numbers he puts up.
has he had a receiver like calvin to design a gameplan with?
have you done projections on calvin?
if you had to put numbers to him what do you have?
thanks again for your thoughts and input. will be hoping interesting to see how it plays out....oh..and ps...I hope you are wrongI really see Calvin doing just about as good as Colston's best year in N.O. which puts him at 85-1300-10. Absolutely nothing to sneeze at but is this really that much better than the next 7 WRs on your draft board? It's just a steep investment IMO. You mention Graham and I'd take him and a whole lot of other players in the first round over CJ at this stage of the game.thanks for your insight.CJ is bigger than Colston and has the body control of Joe Horn so yes you bring up a valid point. Why wouldn't Lombardi design the offense around him? It starts there, but it doesn't end there and THAT along with really good QB play makes his offense what it is. Diversify or get crucified which is what happened in Detroit the last two years. Everyone and their second cousin knew if you game planned to shut down CJ, they didn't have enough ammo to counteract it. This season will be different. This is the most talented WR core I've seen in a long time in Detroit.hi futz,
ashamed to say not really too familiar with lombardi's offense.
we see how graham is utilized in new orleans and the numbers he puts up.
has he had a receiver like calvin to design a gameplan with?
have you done projections on calvin?
if you had to put numbers to him what do you have?
I stopped reading after his first one on the list... Peyton Manning. Who in the world would shy away from him? Even if he throws 40 TDs he is worth whatever price you pay. Plus, the rest of the list is not good. Horrible advice, I hope people in my league read this.
I thought the list (as well the reasoning behind it) was pretty poorI stopped reading after his first one on the list... Peyton Manning. Who in the world would shy away from him? Even if he throws 40 TDs he is worth whatever price you pay. Plus, the rest of the list is not good. Horrible advice, I hope people in my league read this.
As far as other comments in this thread, the reason why some people are passing on players is mind blowing. Every year people let media/blogger/beat writer hype mislead their decisions, but how does it turn out? When they tell you the next best thing is David Wilson, how does it go? Now they tell some about Michael and through a whole season and halfway through his second preseason he is still behind Turbin.
Sometimes you have to just take what you read with a grain of salt, some are not here.