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Where "it" = "your fantasy football scoring system."
I'm talking about a real NFL redraft. Matt Ryan is unlikely to be a top 10 pick even with the year he put up.
Again, let's review. The MVP can't come from a team:
Yeah didn't say anything of that but that's a mess of strawmen. Aaron Rodgers is more valuable than Matt Ryan. His performance and the situation he finds himself in this year has proven that without a doubt.
Aaron Rogers has a State Farm Discount Double Check TD celebration. Matt Ryan has none. Score one for Rogers
This is well said. No one will argue that Rogers is the best QB in the league right now. He is playing on another level. And as of pure value to his team he is more valuable then Ryan is to his.
lol I'm going to ignore the first statement. Regarding the second one though if Rodgers was on the Falcons this year would Atlanta have more wins and would he have put up better stats than Ryan?
I think so. Consider Rodgers doesn't have one of the best 3 WRs in the game on his roster, and he'd probably kill to have one of ATLs RBs.
I think the Falcons with Rodgers at QB might have won one additional game, but I don't see Rodgers with stats markedly different than Ryan's.
So Rodgers put up better TD/INT ration and was close in yards and YPA "without" a running game or the best WR in the league and you think he wouldn't have put up better numbers than Ryan did if he was in Atlanta. Let me ask it in a different way, what kind of numbers would Matt Ryan have put up this year in GB without a running game?
No one knows these kinds of hypotheticals. It's quite possible that Rogers would have struggled just like Ryan did last year learning the offense if hypothetically this was his first year in it. Rogers did what he did with the team he's on and Ryan did what he did on the teams he's on. Why make a silly comparison on something no one can ever know. I will say this. From last year to this year Ryan spent more time in the off-season Mastering an offense that he struggled with last year and it showed. TD passes to 13 different players is something that no QB has ever done - you should list that as one of the comparison stats too. I think Ryan worked harder in 2016 at his craft than Rogers did...and the results showed. (and that's not taking away anything from how great Rogers is). By the sum of all measures, Ryan was the better QB in 2016. Ryan MVP.
Ryan had 2.0 YPA more than Rodgers. Two yards on every throw is not exactly close. For comparison, the QB who had 2.0 YPA less than Rodgers was Jared Goff, last in the NFL in YPA (min 100 att). The only time that Rodgers had a YPA as good as Ryan's was this year was ... never. Though he was within a couple hundredths of a yard in his 2011 MVP season, when Jordy Nelson emerged and Greg Jennings was still in his prime.
Since he's not as good a QB (IMO) as Rodgers, I'd expect Ryan would have done poorer. That doesn't make my earlier response any less accurate, though. Rodgers had 500 fewer passing yards on 76 more Attempts. At the end of games, when other teams would hand the ball off, Rodgers was still throwing, because they had to. Give Ryan another 76 attempts, he'd have another 600+ yards & 3-4 more TDs.
Here's an example: Ryan personally funds off-season workouts
Well, when discussing YPA, it is much harder to have success throwing when every single play the defense is really only worried about one thing- Rodgers. Atlanta is much more balanced and you have to worry about either RB ripping off a long one. For Rodgers to play like he did given what he had to face each week is remarkable.
For as much as everyone rips the Packers RB's and hypes up the Falcons, the Packers YPC was pretty much identical to the Falcons. (4.5 YPC for GB, 4.6 for ATL). The Falcons talent at RB is definitely better, but the fact that their YPC's are pretty much the same and Rodgers was hit 30 less times than Ryan shows how much better his OL is, which is HUGE. Rodgers had 5+ seconds to throw multiple times yesterday and that was against one of the best defenses in the league.
Wrong again. Rogers has elite pocket presence. Something Ryan isn't bad at but not special really. It's not Ryan's fault he's a good QB just not elite at anything really except working hard apparently.
It really is. It's absolutely insane what he did this year. Ryan had a nice year. Rodgers put himself in the best ever discussion considering how he performed given his circumstances. I'm honestly not sure any other QB that's ever played could have pulled it off.
Rodgers pocket presence is great. That has nothing to do with his o-line being better than Ryan's though. Sure, maybe it effects the QB hits a bit, but anyone who watches the two teams knows that Rodgers protection is far better than Ryan's.
When discussing YPA, a dominant running game is certainly beneficial. But given their situations, Rodgers should have had better gross passing stats. But in fact Rodgers' raw #s were basically on par with, if not a bit below, Ryan's stats.
Not sure if you're serious. LOL It effected it but it didn't? Is that what you're saying. Please watch Rodgers 1st TD pass last night and get back to me.
I only bring it up because most of the Ryan fan boys keep bringing up stats and you specifically have brought up wins. It seems like an appropriate question to answer and factor into the MVP discussion when talking about numbers. I believe GB would not have made the playoffs with Ryan at QB. If Rodgers was on ATL they would be the SB favorites right now.
It effects how many QB hits each guy took, but it doesn't take away the fact that Rodgers o-line is better than Ryan's.
Qb's can and do make their OL's better. It's actually a thing. I'll just leave it at that.
I beg to differ. Rodgers would have had to played significantly better than he did in GB to make ATL better. And the Falcons flaws have nothing to do with the offense. So I don't think they would be SB favorites. IMO, their record and SB chances would be the same.
Across their careers, no. This year, potentially. I know that this may come as a shock, but people can have different opinions and we all don't have to agree.
I agree with that, but the Packers OL would still be good without Rodgers. On that TD, Rodgers doesn't even need to show his pocket awareness/movement skills until 5-6 seconds into the play, which most QB's never get. There were multiple times Rodgers had that much time to throw yesterday and that was against one of the best defenses in the NFL. When the QB is hanging in the pocket that long, that has nothing to do with him, that is the OL just being amazing. Another testament to the OL is the Packers YPC being at 4.5 when they trotted out Eddie Lacy, James Starks, and a converted WR learning RB in the middle of the season as their RB's.
Isn't that what the whole MVP debate has been about? It's about which player was the best this season and many of us believe that Ryan was the best.
This is true, when you factor in Rodgers' 5.5 YPC. If you take his 369 rushing yards on 67 carries out of the equation, GB averaged 4.3 YPC. Atlanta also ran the ball approximately 80 more times than GB, making the long runs have less of an impact on the overall YPC.
But you aren't arguing with anyone at this point. You are immediately ignoring any TANGIBLE information that is brought forward and instead doubling and tripling down on your OPINION and offering it up as unassailable FACT. All we know is what happened. No one knows or can prove what didn't happen. Put Rodgers on another team and they could have gone 0-16. Unlikely, sure, but not impossible.
It's not impossible but unlikely. Many of the rankings I just looked at have either Ryan or Brady as the top player followed by Rodgers and then closely by Elliott. It seems many really knocked Rodgers for his first half of the season.
I put plenty of stats up. More TD'S. More total air yards + rushing yards. Less help.
You're argument over teams taking one or the other is really ridiculous and has absolutely nothing to do with this year's MVP race. We all know that Rodgers is the better overall QB based on their careers but Ryan is having the better season this year and that is why he deserves the award. If they went by your argument Rodgers would just win the MVP award every year.
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