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Here's a few questions that might change your mind. Take away every stat they put up before this year. Just based on the year they had this year. Who was more valuable to their team? Who would be drafted first in a redraft of all the current NFL players based solely on stats and tape from "this" year. Have to take age out of the decision too.
That hard to do because there is going to be bias no matter what since we know their careers. If I had to pretend that this was the first year I had ever seen any of them then I would go with Ryan because he had a fantastic season and he's the youngest of the three.
Why? I know I wouldn't take Brady at 39 years old. So then it's just up to Rodgers and Ryan. I still feel that Ryan had the better, complete season and if I'm pretending I've never seen them play before this season I'm taking Ryan.
No, based just on this season's stats and tape (your stipulations), Ryan would go first.
But you're being biased by knowing how each one's careers have been. I would choose Rodgers to because I know he's the better QB overall. That doesn't mean he had the better season this year though and that's what the award is for.
Thanks for giving it some thought. I edited my question before you answered and said you have to take age out since age doesn't play a part in MVP votes. Still if you combine their rushing and passing the yards are very close and Rodgers had more TD'S. So it's not clear Ryan had the better year.
LOL You can't just change the rules to support your argument.
It IS clear Ryan had the better year.
Add Ryan and Rodgers passing and rushing numbers. Are you sure about that? Then add the tape in and Rodgers goes before Matt Ryan everytime.
No, you're incorrect. Ryan's years was definitively better. The stats and tape prove this.
I edited because age plays zero part in MVP voting not because it proves my point. The stats and tape do a fine job of proving my point. You want to pick Ryan but you know deep deep deep down in your soul you would walk up to the latest podium, look out into the crowd, say Aaron Rodgers, drop your head in shame, and shuffle off the stage. Lol
How?
Here it is again for guys that think Ryan Def had a better year statswise.
Jesus man. How delusional can you be? I disagree with you so just accept it. I'm fine that you think Rodgers is the MVP, many others disagree with you and I'm one of them.
If you read the thread, I never once said Brady should be MVP this year. At the time, I said Carr . . . but suggested that we wait to the season was over. Then I said Ryan. But I digress . . .
He actually makes a good argument for what you keep trying to prove. Just because you would take a guy as the first pick in a draft does not mean he should be the MVP. There are plenty of players over the years who have been the MVP yet you wouldn't take them as the first pick in a new draft.
That argument doesn't really work though because we have no idea what would happen. How do we know that with Rodgers being there he doesn't throw a bad pass that leads Julio into a collision that ends his career. Maybe the the OL doesn't like him there and they don't protect him as well. Maybe they offense they run isn't what Rodgers wants and there are issues.
Lol I know I'm trying to prove (and succeeding) that nobody thinks Ryan is a better QB than Rodgers even using this year's stats. It's because of the tape.
You are the only one claiming success. I looked at their season stats, Ryan did better. Ryan had the better season and you seemed to be out numbered by a great deal.
More passing yards, more total yards, higher completion percentage, higher YPA, more wins (although I dislike that stat), higher QB rating, etc. You know "normal" stats that don't require parsing, picking-and-choosing, and combing other stats.
Well, according to you, 261 yards is "almost" the same, so since Rodgers had fewer than 261 more of your convoluted, parsed passing yards+rushing yards, that stat is "almost" the same. I see that Rodgers had a lower "AIR" yards per completion, and more turnovers, while only beating Ryan in 1 category (scores), so, you're right. Lol, its right there boys: according to Milkman's odd logic and extremely unusual stats, Ryan had the better year.
Except all those are super close and Rodgers did it on his own. Which makes him much more valuable. It's why he'd be drafted in front of Ryan.
You're right, many people would draft Rodgers in front of Ryan. Too bad this is about this year's MVP and not a draft though. You need to let go of the draft argument, it's not valid.
And yet Rodgers would still be drafted in front of Ryan giving the criteria I stated above 100/100 times. Sorry you're so emotionally invested in Ryan you refuse to see that but it doesn't mean it's not true.
600+ passing yards is "super close?" 260 yards is "super close?" 4.2% points (completion %) is "super close?" 2 YPA is "super close?"
No he wouldn't, unless you were the only one participating in these drafts.Milkman said:
Air yards are a great stat to use. It takes some of Matt Ryan's team out of the equation. Then when you add the rushing yards Rodgers had more yards and more TD's. When you strip them of their team Rodgers is clearly making his team better and Matt Ryan's team is making him better. Then when you watch the tape Aaron Rodgers blows Matt Ryan away. The fact you get so emotional about it is telling too. Sorry facts are facts. Rodgers would go before Ryan in a draft using my criteria above. There's a reason for that. He was a more valuable player this year.Bayhawks said:
It's not really close. Not even Atlanta would take Matt Ryan in front of Rodgers using my criteria. LOL
Please stop using a draft for your reasoning. It is beyond flawed and has nothing to do with the MVP voting. Just stop it. At least the other parts of your argument have something to do with the subject.
Prove it. I just spoke to Ted Thompson and he said based on your criteria, he'd pick Ryan before Rodgers. LOL
OK, got it. So, great stat to use-Matt Ryan had more yards on far fewer attempts. [Milkman, oh crap, that actually makes my argument look even stupider; I better cherry pick some other stat to add with this to try to make some kind of point; I got it air yards+rushing yards!]
I'd take Brees over both, but I'm biased. I know I'm not the only one who would pick someone over those two as well, but they definitely would be in the argument.Milkman said:
Nope it just shows GB leaned on Aaron Rodgers more than Atlanta leaned on Matt Ryan. If Atlanta had put it all on Ryan in the same position Rodgers was put in this year he'd crumble. That's not really a knock on Ryan he's just not on that elite level.
