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When I get home I'll break this down correctly. With the real numbers. This is a good analogy and in your specific case that you wrote above the guy with the smaller percentage is more valuable but that's not what happened between Rodgers and Ryan this year.
Repeatedly asserting that Rodgers put up "basically the same numbers" doesn't make it any less insane.
LOL yeah, but you conveniently ignore the fact that Rodgers had 73 WHOLE yards more than Ryan using your ridiculously contrived, made-up stat. You also conveniently ignore the fact that Rodgers had 76 more pass attempts than Ryan, so he was much less efficient in how he compiled his stats in your ridiculously contrived, made-up stat category. You also conveniently ignore the fact that you have, multiple times in this thread, downplayed Rodgers's 500+ yard deficit in passing yards as "almost the same" as Ryan's, but somehow 73 WHOLE yards in your ridiculously contrived, made-up stat category is significant? You also conveniently ignore the part of my post that highlights your ridiculous assertion that if Rodgers replaced his #1 WR who excels at scoring TDs with Ryan's #1 WR, who is mediocre at scoring TDs that Rodgers would suddenly score more TDs.
Who threw more TD'S? Who ran for more yards? Who ran for more TD'S. The point is the stats are close enough it's a wash. Hardly insane. We don't need your hyperbole right now I'm in the process of winning this debate.
But he only asserts that when it suits his weak argument.
Who threw for more yards? Who had a higher completion percentage? Who had a higher YPA? Who had a higher QB rating? The point is that the stats ARE NOT close enough that it's a wash (except in Milkman bizarro world, it seems).
I'm sorry did you see the post about Rodgers personally accounting for 61% of his team's TD'S. Probably should read that post again.
Lol yeah they're basically a wash. Aaron Rodgers accounted for more TD'S on a worse offense. He also accounted for more Air yards + rushing yards too.
The stats aren't close enough that it's a wash. Matt Ryan had the best YPA since Kurt Warner and the Greatest Show on Turf. Rodgers had 75 more pass attempts, only 2 more TDs and less yardage. I'm pretty sure if Ryan threw 75 more passes (played two more games) he would have managed more than 2 more TDs.
You're taking out his rushing stats. It's what everyone else is doing to because it fits there narrative.
Paul works for Atlanta and made 228 million. Atlanta made a total 540 million. Atlanta has a few other sales people that are pretty good too and the best CEO in the business.
Well, seeing how GB's CEO is much better, more experience, and successful than Atlanta's, and seeing how GB's sales team that allows GB's #1 sales person to take his time and make the really big sales is one of, if not the, best in the business, and seeing how GB's #2 sales person (he goes by J.N.) is pretty darn good, and they have a top notch young sales man (he goes by D.A.) that is equal to, if not better than Atlanta's #3 sales man, I'd say your analogy isn't that accurate.
Change sales to CEO. And I'd pick Atlanta because they made more money, even if Paul was less hands on. He got his team to do more and do better.
I wouldn't want to answer that question either if I had taken your position.
Hey, "bro",
Because Ryan has a much better team overall and if Rodgers was on Atlanta he would play much better. Ryan on the other hand would not fair nearly as well as Rodgers has in GB. Also Rodgers makes his OL better. This has been discussed. Try and keep up. See his first TD pass last night to see how he makes his OL better. He also throws his receivers open better than anybody in the league. Also see his first TD pass last night if you need a visual aid. Not sure you'd even know what you were looking at though....here's a hint Adams wasn't open.
It seems like you're jumping into this debate midstream but I think the main point Anarchy is trying to make is that based on the way MVP voting is typically done, Ryan will win the award. Nobody is actually saying that Ryan is a better QB than Rodgers.
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Hey bro, I wouldn't want to actually answer those questions either, if I had taken your position.
Lol. I see what you did there. But Brady didn't get benched. He got suspended for cheating. Big difference. Rodgers scored more touchdowns than anyone. 8 more than Ryan with weaker weapons. Lol. Look I know you think everybody should nut hug Brady because ESPN does but some of us simply think he's a cheater.
BTW, you keep posting stuff like this, even though it's not true (the sky is orange).
lots of that going on in this thread. Like "Nelson=Julio". Yes, Jordy is a very good receiver. But calling him Julio's equal is simply your opinion, one that is probably a minority opinion.
Lol I stopped reading at Jones and Nelson are a wash. It shows you aren't watching the games. Then I glanced at cook was out most of the year but he's still an upgrade over Hooper. Lololol Ryan had a better run game and better receiving weapons. Adam's would be cooking cheeseburgers if he didn't play with Rodgers. See the 1st TD in the Giants game for a visual aid. As far as OL Rodgers makes his OL better. See the same 1st TD in Giants Playoff game.
They probably should. It was a head scratcher then, and it remains one now. That is not to say that your stance throughout the thread is wrong, I don't believe it isAnarchy99 said:
No, you just said "the sky is orange" again.
The Mosely choice was absolutely nuts even back then. He wasn't even the MVP of his own team.
In the context of "weapons around a QB," yes, they two are equal. They are both top-end WR1's in the NFL. Capable of beating man coverage, giving the QB a legitimate #1 receiving threat.
Completely agree on the o line, while I don't know if they're equal to Dallas, they're damn good and help Rodgers a lot. Overall though, you're going to be in the minority when you say Rodgers has as much talent around him as Ryan. It's not Browns vs Patriots level difference but there is an edge to Ryan's teammates - on offense, including coordinator.
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Lol just more questions no answers. Lol I'll take that as a concession.No, you just said "the sky is orange" again.
You've been going on and on about how TDs are so important (that's why Rodgers is better than Ryan, b/c he accounted for 6 more TDs than Ryan). Julio is a more dominating physical specimen, he gets a much higher YPR than Jordy, but Jordy is MUCH better at converting in the red zone.
So which is it? TDs are more important or they aren't? Or are they only more important when they support your argument?
I'm pretty sure I know your response; it will be something along the lings of "the sky is orange."
And I think Ryan should win it. I thought Ryan should win it from the start of this debate back when Brady was considered the best odds to win it.
I compliment you on your dogged dedication to your proposition. The matter is done, voted on, and not subject to change. Me, as a Packer fan I will be plenty happy to see Ryan get it. I just want Rodgers to outplay him, in Atlanta, in two weeks.
Packer W.R.'s have been an interesting study since back in the days of Favre. They are productive, but is that their skills, or the skills of Favre and Rodgers. We do have some examples of their W.R.'s getting out on the open market and have seen how they stack up elsewhere. Bill Schroeder Javon Walker, James Jones, Greg Jennings. These guys all looked like trash away from their Q.B.'s. Now Julio, I think we can all see his athleticism is system independent, but perhaps not.
If the only criteria is how good your team is when you're not playing, then yes he would be the better choice most likely. By that logic Brady should not even be a candidate for MVP this year but he's still getting votes.
People who watch the team see how little of Adams' success is due to him. He doesn't get great separation and he drops a ton of passes.
My criteria is based on what "MVP" implies - your words "how good your team is when you're not playing" is a great way of saying it. And no, I don't think Brady should be the MVP.
He was terrible last year. He was fantastic this year. I saw him make some spectacular catches this year and he looked like a completely different WR. I know Rodgers is great and helps create a ton of opportunities but the WRs still have to get open and catch the ball.
Do we have any idea what the Falcons would be without Ryan though? We know what the Raiders and Patriots were without their starters so that helps a lot. As far as we know the Falcons don't win a game without Ryan. Same could go for Rodgers too.
He still dropped a bunch of wide open passes, and a few of his spectacular catches were spectacular because he had zero separation. Still, unlike last year at least he caught the damn ball.
Yep. Very true and well said. We've seen recently what the Packers do without Rodgers - they are abysmal.
