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Who's the 2016 NFL MVP right now? (1 Viewer)

Milkman said:
It's def Rodgers. Put Matt Ryan on the Packers to start the year and they would be 4-12.
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I don't know how many times I can say it in one thread, but unless voters radically change how they vote, VALUE has very little to do with MVP balloting. They typically have voted best offensive player on one of the elite teams . . . or a record breaking (or near record breaking) producer on a playoff team.

Using that criteria, had Brady played 16 games I think he would win, but he didn't, so that will probably cost him. Ryan led the league in a lot of efficiency categories and was Top 2-3 in volume categories. And he played on a team that earned a bye. All those will likely get him more votes than Rodgers.

If I remember correctly, there has never been a QB to win MVP with 6 losses in a season. If Rodgers wins, it would be paving new ground.

 
Anarchy99 said:
I don't know how many times I can say it in one thread, but unless voters radically change how they vote, VALUE has very little to do with MVP balloting. They typically have voted best offensive player on one of the elite teams . . . or a record breaking (or near record breaking) producer on a playoff team.

Using that criteria, had Brady played 16 games I think he would win, but he didn't, so that will probably cost him. Ryan led the league in a lot of efficiency categories and was Top 2-3 in volume categories. And he played on a team that earned a bye. All those will likely get him more votes than Rodgers.

If I remember correctly, there has never been a QB to win MVP with 6 losses in a season. If Rodgers wins, it would be paving new ground.
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Oh ok. I'm sure you're right. I didn't read this entire thread I just kind of jumped in. Rodgers has played the QB position as good or better than anybody ever has the last 11 games which is when GB turned to him after trying to run the ball with Fat Lacy. If you put Matt Ryan on GB he would not play as well and if you put Rodgers on Atlanta they would be even better imo. If I had a vote, which I don't, it would be Rodgers.

 
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Ryan faced the toughest schedule in terms of opposing defenses and Rodgers faced the 17th ranked. From: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff

Atlanta went against six of the top 10 defenses in the NFL this season and averaged 32.3 points in those games (overall average was 33.8).

 
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Aaron Rodgers accounted for 8 more touchdowns than Matt Ryan.  The team's leading rushing had a whopping 457 yards.   He threw the team on his back and carried them into the playoffs.  Rodgers all the way.  

 
Anarchy99 said:
I don't know how many times I can say it in one thread, but unless voters radically change how they vote, VALUE has very little to do with MVP balloting. They typically have voted best offensive player on one of the elite teams . . . or a record breaking (or near record breaking) producer on a playoff team.

Using that criteria, had Brady played 16 games I think he would win, but he didn't, so that will probably cost him. Ryan led the league in a lot of efficiency categories and was Top 2-3 in volume categories. And he played on a team that earned a bye. All those will likely get him more votes than Rodgers.

If I remember correctly, there has never been a QB to win MVP with 6 losses in a season. If Rodgers wins, it would be paving new ground.
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Huh.  I'm not in here to talk about who will win.  I'm in here to debate who *should* win.

 
Sabertooth said:
Aaron Rodgers accounted for 8 more touchdowns than Matt Ryan.  The team's leading rushing had a whopping 457 yards.   He threw the team on his back and carried them into the playoffs.  Rodgers all the way.  
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The Packers won more games 4 other times. Rodgers had better efficiency numbers in 4 or 5 other seasons. The only thing that really changed is he passed more and the Packers won less.

The last time the Patriots won the SB, the team leader in rushing had 412 yards. NE went 12-4, Brady put up 4100/33/9, and he got a whopping 1 MVP vote. That was one of the years Rodgers won. No one cared that Brady put the team on his shoulders because they had no running game.

 
I'd like to point out that throughout his career, Rodgers has suffered behind some terrible Packer defenses.  This season, they allowed 388 points.  Look at the Packers playoff losses under Rodgers.  Allowed 26 points to the Cardinals, 28 points to the Seahawks, 45 points to the 49ers, 51 points to the Cardinals.  Even when they beat the Steelers they allowed 25 points.  Rodgers is in a situation where he NEEDS to throw 3 TDs per playoff game or you expect them to lose.

 
Anarchy99 said:
 tiThe Packers won more games 4 other times. Rodgers had better efficiency numbers in 4 or 5 other seasons. The only thing that really changed is he passed more and the Packers won less.

The last time the Patriots won the SB, the team leader in rushing had 412 yards. NE went 12-4, Brady put up 4100/33/9, and he got a whopping 1 MVP vote. That was one of the years Rodgers won. No one cared that Brady put the team on his shoulders because they had no running game.
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Bobby Boucher had tackling fuel, Tom Brady has winning fuel.  Brady's fuel, like Rodger's also, is being slighted, in his mind and the minds of his fans if not in reality.  It keeps him going. It is the best thing that can happen to that franchise.  The same can be said of Rodgers.  I hope Rodgers manages to feel slighted.  I hope he does not win this meaningless hardware .  I say give it to Ryan, or Prescott, or Brady, or whoever the Packers are going to have to face in the playoffs.  I hope the winner feels self-satisfied and fulfilled, like his year is completely made. I hope the winner listens to their own press, gets overconfident, and loses focus.  This award is meaningless without the Lombardi.  Rodgers knows this.  Brady knows this.  Ryan, well he has no idea.

 
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Anarchy99 said:
The Packers won more games 4 other times. Rodgers had better efficiency numbers in 4 or 5 other seasons. The only thing that really changed is he passed more and the Packers won less.

The last time the Patriots won the SB, the team leader in rushing had 412 yards. NE went 12-4, Brady put up 4100/33/9, and he got a whopping 1 MVP vote. That was one of the years Rodgers won. No one cared that Brady put the team on his shoulders because they had no running game.
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Rodgers put up 4381, 38 TDs , 5 INTs that year.Another 269 rushing with 2 TDs.  Superior numbers to Brady.  Brady also had the 8th rated defense in points against...Rodgers this year? 29th.

This year...Brady's numbers are good..that TD to INT ratio is ridiculously good.  But hardly superior overall numbers to Rodgers and Ryan.

Rodgers alone...4428, 40 TDs, 7 INTs...369 rushing and 4 TDs.

Its great if you put them on your back and all...but other guys can't have superior numbers to you.

I think Ryan's numbers and that offense are a bit better so Id give it to him...Brady had a great year after missing 4 games and if he isn't the greatest ever...he is damn close.

But without having great numbers across the board and missing 4 games (where your team went 3-1)...you don't win MVP.

 
At this point I think Rodgers has the momentum and is a top 2-3 candidate for the MVP award

You've got to be between Ryan, Rodgers, and Brady. I think it is really between Brady and Rodgers for several reasons. Without Rodgers the Packers probably have 2 wins. Without Brady we know the Patriots can win 75% of their games. I think it has to go to Rodgers

 
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Rodgers put up 4381, 38 TDs , 5 INTs that year.Another 269 rushing with 2 TDs.  Superior numbers to Brady.  Brady also had the 8th rated defense in points against...Rodgers this year? 29th.

This year...Brady's numbers are good..that TD to INT ratio is ridiculously good.  But hardly superior overall numbers to Rodgers and Ryan.

Rodgers alone...4428, 40 TDs, 7 INTs...369 rushing and 4 TDs.

Its great if you put them on your back and all...but other guys can't have superior numbers to you.

I think Ryan's numbers and that offense are a bit better so Id give it to him...Brady had a great year after missing 4 games and if he isn't the greatest ever...he is damn close.

But without having great numbers across the board and missing 4 games (where your team went 3-1)...you don't win MVP.
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I don't think Brady will be MVP, but he had the same number of wins this year as Ryan and more wins than Rodgers (in 4 fewer games). Winning has been the primary statistic that voters have migrated to over the years. Brady's only loss was to SEA where they fell a yard short from extending the game (or winning).

I heard discussion on various tv and radio shows where they said that all year Brady was masterful in engineering drives, audibling at the LOS, moving the football, and getting into the end zone. The folks discussing him said switching up a play to get into the end zone on a running play would not be help against him. Some of the people in these conversations actually had MVP votes, so their opinions should matter.

As for how many points someone's defense gave up, that's also mostly in the noise. You have to play with the cards you are dealt. Want to win more games? Then don't turn the ball over 3 times against the Vikings (loss), 4 times against the Cowboys (loss), 3 times against the Titans (loss), and twice against the Redskins (loss). The offense gave up the ball (whether Rodgers had anything to do with it or not still falls on him as the leader of the offense). And for a team that was said to have no running game, GB ranked 7th in ypc. The fact they ranked Top 5 in passing attempts somewhat made it appear that they couldn't run the ball.

The main reason the Packers are winning lately is the offense stopped turning the ball over (1 TO in the last 6 games) while the defense has forced 15 TO's in that time. But no one is suggesting the Packers defense should be MVP.

 
Anarchy99 said:
I don't think Brady will be MVP, but he had the same number of wins this year as Ryan and more wins than Rodgers (in 4 fewer games). Winning has been the primary statistic that voters have migrated to over the years. Brady's only loss was to SEA where they fell a yard short from extending the game (or winning).

I heard discussion on various tv and radio shows where they said that all year Brady was masterful in engineering drives, audibling at the LOS, moving the football, and getting into the end zone. The folks discussing him said switching up a play to get into the end zone on a running play would not be help against him. Some of the people in these conversations actually had MVP votes, so their opinions should matter.

As for how many points someone's defense gave up, that's also mostly in the noise. You have to play with the cards you are dealt. Want to win more games? Then don't turn the ball over 3 times against the Vikings (loss), 4 times against the Cowboys (loss), 3 times against the Titans (loss), and twice against the Redskins (loss). The offense gave up the ball (whether Rodgers had anything to do with it or not still falls on him as the leader of the offense). And for a team that was said to have no running game, GB ranked 7th in ypc. The fact they ranked Top 5 in passing attempts somewhat made it appear that they couldn't run the ball.

The main reason the Packers are winning lately is the offense stopped turning the ball over (1 TO in the last 6 games) while the defense has forced 15 TO's in that time. But no one is suggesting the Packers defense should be MVP.
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Its not in the noise...it goes to winning and losing.

You brought up an old season as a reason Brady carried his team...they gave up about 100 fewer points that year than the Packers D this year.  And Rodgers had far superior numbers to Brady that year...hence, MVP.

This year...if Brady had numbers that much better than Rodgers this year...Id agree, give it to him over Rodgers.  But he simply doesn't.

Wins are one part of it.  He has 1 more win than Rodgers...yes, fewer games and his team went 3-1 without him (and yes, that will be taken into consideration).

YPC means running game?  You realize much of that YPC is Rodgers running right?

The reason is turnovers and directly attributable to Rodgers play.  Again...Im not trying to say Rodgers is the MVP...but to compare 2014 season to this season was pretty weak given the differences in the numbers.

 
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Anarchy99 said:
I don't think Brady will be MVP, but he had the same number of wins this year as Ryan and more wins than Rodgers (in 4 fewer games). Winning has been the primary statistic that voters have migrated to over the years. Brady's only loss was to SEA where they fell a yard short from extending the game (or winning).

I heard discussion on various tv and radio shows where they said that all year Brady was masterful in engineering drives, audibling at the LOS, moving the football, and getting into the end zone. The folks discussing him said switching up a play to get into the end zone on a running play would not be help against him. Some of the people in these conversations actually had MVP votes, so their opinions should matter.As for how many point

s someone's defense gave up, that's also mostly in the noise. You have to play with the cards you are dealt. Want to win more games? Then don't turn the ball over 3 times against the Vikings (loss), 4 times against the Cowboys (loss), 3 times against the Titans (loss), and twice against the Redskins (loss). The offense gave up the ball (whether Rodgers had anything to do with it or not still falls on him as the leader of the offense). And for a team that was said to have no running game, GB ranked 7th in ypc. The fact they ranked Top 5 in passing attempts somewhat made it appear that they couldn't run the ball.

The main reason the Packers are winning lately is the offense stopped turning the ball over (1 TO in the last 6 games) while the defense has forced 15 TO's in that time. But no one is suggesting the Packers defense should be MVP.
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Its not in the noise...it goes to winning and losing.

You brought up an old season as a reason Brady carried his team...they gave up about 100 fewer points that year than the Packers D this year.  And Rodgers had far superior numbers to Brady that year...hence, MVP.

This year...if Brady had numbers that much better than Rodgers this year...Id agree, give it to him over Rodgers.  But he simply doesn't.

Wins are one part of it.  He has 1 more win than Rodgers...yes, fewer games and his team went 3-1 without him (and yes, that will be taken into consideration).

YPC means running game?  You realize much of that YPC is Rodgers running right?

The reason is turnovers and directly attributable to Rodgers play.  Again...Im not trying to say Rodgers is the MVP...but to compare 2014 season to this season was pretty weak given the differences in the numbers.
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I'm saying Rodgers is MVP. They lost all 3 of their HBs that they had going into the season. They are getting by with a WR, FB, and a guy who doesn't understand left from right who is on his 4th roster change in less than 18 months. Yet Rodgers has STILL put up the numbers he has. Plus his WR2 has been hurt for the better part of this season. 

Rodgers made Geronimo Allison look like a legitimate WR last night. He makes Jared Cook look like a top 10 TE. 

Brady loses Gronk and since then his stats fall below what Rodgers has averaged all season. 

 
People can say winning doesn't matter, but the last 10 QB's that were MVP had an average record of 13.5 and 2.5 (with the worst record being 12-4).

Also of note, in the 16 times there was a year that a team scored 500+ points, there was a QB that won MVP from one of those teams 11 times. That certainly boosts Ryan's chances, as ATL scored 540 points this year.

2015 CAR 500 (Newton)
2013 DEN 606 (Manning)
2012 NEP 557 (Brady got ZERO MVP votes)
2011 GBP 560 (Rodgers), NOS 547 (Brees 2 votes), NEP 513 (Brady 0 votes)
2010 NEP 518 (Brady)
2009 NOS 510 (Brees 7.5 votes)
2007 NEP 589 (Brady)
2004 IND 522 (Manning)
2001 STL 501 (Warner)
2000 STL 540 (Warner 0 votes but Faulk MVP)
1999 STL 526 (Warner)
1998 MIN 556 (Cunningham 14 votes, Moss 4 votes, DEN 501 (Elway 0 votes, Davis MVP)
1994 SFO 505 (Young)
1984 MIA 513 (Marino)
1983 WAS 541 (Theisman)
1982 SDC (On pace for 512 points) (Fouts 33 votes, lost by 2 votes to PK Mark Moseley)

 
A statistical comparison of the 6 quarterbacks that people are talking about the most:

Passing Efficiency Stats
Adjusted Net Yards per Attempt (not opponent adjusted)
9.03    Matt Ryan
8.81    Tom Brady
7.86    Dak Prescott
7.24    Aaron Rodgers
7.20    Derek Carr
6.56    Matthew Stafford

DVOA (opponent adjusted)
40.20%    Matt Ryan
33.80%    Tom Brady
31.50%    Dak Prescott
19.90%    Derek Carr
18.20%    Aaron Rodgers
7.30%    Matthew Stafford

QBR (opponent adjusted)
83.4    Matt Ryan
83.1    Tom Brady
81.7    Dak Prescott
77.0    Aaron Rodgers
70.7    Matthew Stafford
61.8    Derek Carr

Cumulative Stats
Clutch-Weighted Expected Points Added (not opponent adjusted, includes passing & rushing)
114.9    Aaron Rodgers
111.0    Matt Ryan
102.5    Dak Prescott
98.4    Matthew Stafford
83.3    Tom Brady
72.4    Derek Carr

Total DYAR (opponent adjusted, includes passing & rushing)
1950    Matt Ryan
1422    Dak Prescott
1340    Aaron Rodgers
1286    Tom Brady
1130    Derek Carr
828    Matthew Stafford

 
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ZWK said:
A statistical comparison of the 6 quarterbacks that people are talking about the most:

Passing Efficiency Stats
Adjusted Net Yards per Attempt (not opponent adjusted)
9.03    Matt Ryan
8.81    Tom Brady
7.86    Dak Prescott
7.24    Aaron Rodgers
7.20    Derek Carr
6.56    Matthew Stafford

DVOA (opponent adjusted)
40.20%    Matt Ryan
33.80%    Tom Brady
31.50%    Dak Prescott
19.90%    Derek Carr
18.20%    Aaron Rodgers
7.30%    Matthew Stafford

QBR (opponent adjusted)
83.4    Matt Ryan
83.1    Tom Brady
81.7    Dak Prescott
77.0    Aaron Rodgers
70.7    Matthew Stafford
61.8    Derek Carr

Cumulative Stats
Clutch-Weighted Expected Points Added (not opponent adjusted, includes passing & rushing)
114.9    Aaron Rodgers
111.0    Matt Ryan
102.5    Dak Prescott
98.4    Matthew Stafford
83.3    Tom Brady
72.4    Derek Carr

Total DYAR (opponent adjusted, includes passing & rushing)
1950    Matt Ryan
1422    Dak Prescott
1340    Aaron Rodgers
1286    Tom Brady
1130    Derek Carr
828    Matthew Stafford
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By that it's obvious who should get it. I just have a feeling Ryan isn't in the conversation because Atlanta is (it seems at least) the least talked about team in the playoffs. Statistically, yes, I agree he should likely get it. MVP is never the most valuable player on their team award (if it were that I firmly believe Rodgers should win it), but according to statistics, wins/losses, and total points (shown above by Anarchy), then I think it's pretty clear who will likely get it

What's interesting though is those who were preliminarily voting for Carr were picking him over Brady and Ryan for a certain reason (disregarding pure statistics and going with what MVP really means). It will be curious to see who they go for now that Carr should be out of the equation as he didn't finish the season.

 
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Anarchy99 said:
The Packers won more games 4 other times. Rodgers had better efficiency numbers in 4 or 5 other seasons. The only thing that really changed is he passed more and the Packers won less.

The last time the Patriots won the SB, the team leader in rushing had 412 yards. NE went 12-4, Brady put up 4100/33/9, and he got a whopping 1 MVP vote. That was one of the years Rodgers won. No one cared that Brady put the team on his shoulders because they had no running game.
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I don't really give a #### about Brady.  Why do you keep posting about Brady?  

 
Sabertooth said:
I don't really give a #### about Brady.  Why do you keep posting about Brady?  
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Someone said Rodgers should get extra credit for playing on a team where the leading rusher had 457 yards. The point was Brady recently played on a team that ended up winning the SB with less of a rushing attack than GB and was an MVP after thought. What QB would you rather I discuss?

 
Not extra credit.  He doesn't need extra credit.  It was just another in a long line of reasons he is the MVP.  

 
Anarchy99 said:
Someone said Rodgers should get extra credit for playing on a team where the leading rusher had 457 yards. The point was Brady recently played on a team that ended up winning the SB with less of a rushing attack than GB and was an MVP after thought. What QB would you rather I discuss?
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Anarchy99 said:
They pick the MVP this week before the playoffs start. They usually announce the winner the last day or two of January.
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I quote both of these to 1, address the first one, and 2, to ask a question about the second one

I am in the category that Rodgers should get consideration that his team is not doing well running the ball. And he himself is a big rushing contributor to the team. If Brady didn't have a good statistical season then, no he shouldn't be considered. It doesn't matter if you win the superbowl or not. 

However, my question is do they consider playoff performance for MVP voting? I'm not sure what the norm is for this... if Brady takes his team to the superbowl would he be given more consideration than if he loses their first playoff game and let's say Rodgers goes to the superbowl? 

 
Playoff performance IS NOT considered for MVP voting. All ballots are due in once the regular season ends but before the playoffs start. However, I am pretty sure voters can submit a ballot before the regular season is over.

 
Anarchy99 said:
Playoff performance IS NOT considered for MVP voting. All ballots are due in once the regular season ends but before the playoffs start. However, I am pretty sure voters can submit a ballot before the regular season is over.
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Good to know. I'm interested to see if Carr still gets a lot of votes only missing 1 game. Honestly, his team is crippled without him (what better criteria for MVP than that? but I guess that's what this thread is all about).

I'm curious to see how it plays out. How much national coverage games matter (Rodgers playing prime time this last week vs at noon where not everyone would have watched). 

I do believe that Ryan will win based off his statistics. I agree that Brady is in the conversation. I disagree with it but statistically he has to be. He is not the most valuable on his team (I would argue Gronk is), but I can admit I am not a fan of Brady (he did win me $800 this year though... lucky me no one in my league likes him so I got him as like QB7 or 8). I think Rodgers has a case but his team did not win a lot and he was a major reason why they lost a lot of those games in the middle 1/3 of the season. The way he ended the season makes a strong case. 

 
I think Ryan will win it.   I think Brady and Rodgers will end up 2nd and 3rd.  However--I personally think Dak should win it in regards to being the most deserving.   To be the starting QB for the Dallas Cowboys--while Tony Romo is looming behind you--and Jerry Jones not fully committing to him until mid-late season is pretty amazing in my eyes.    I think EE was also amazing--and I'd to see him get ROY--as both of them deserve awards in my opinion.   It actually pains me to say that because I'm not a fan of the Cowboys.  I also do want to echo the sentiments of other posters in here giving Derek Carr some love.  He's definitely in the top 4-5 in my opinion.  

 
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I think Ryan will win it.   I think Brady and Rodgers will end up 2nd and 3rd.  However--I personally think Dak should win it in regards to being the most deserving.   To be the starting QB for the Dallas Cowboys--while Tony Romo is looming behind you--and Jerry Jones not fully committing to him until mid-late season is pretty amazing in my eyes.    I think EE was also amazing--and I'd to see him get ROY--as both of them deserve awards in my opinion.   It actually pains me to say that because I'm not a fan of the Cowboys.  I also do want to echo the sentiments of other posters in here giving Derek Carr some love.  He's definitely in the top 4-5 in my opinion.  
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behind the best offensive line in football with the second best running back in football with a top 10 wr and te in football? I can only imagine the records that would be broken if Ryan Rodgers or Brady were the QB in dallas...

 
Dr. Brew said:
behind the best offensive line in football with the second best running back in football with a top 10 wr and te in football? I can only imagine the records that would be broken if Ryan Rodgers or Brady were the QB in dallas...
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And even with all of that--I assure you that nobody thought Dak and the Cowboys would be as good as they are.  Dak played amazingly well for a rookie even with those circumstances.  Let's not forget  Brady missed a quarter of the season--and plays in a division against the Bills/Jets/Dolphins.  If anything--Rodgers is the second half MVP as his team had to essentially win out to barely make the playoffs--and let's not call the divsion that his team plays in a juggernaut either.   According your logic--no qb with an elite offensive line should ever be eligible to win the MVP.    Let's also not forget that Dak played much of the season without Dez.     What Dak did this year as a rookie QB was at least as remarkable as what any of the guys you mentioned did this season. 

 
When the voters snub Brady, that will be his fuel to continue his assault on his opponents.  Let Ryan, a Cowboy or Rodgers bask in the glory of an MVP while they fall short of a SB ring.  Brady will take the SB ring instead.

 
Bad_Mo said:
When the voters snub Brady, that will be his fuel to continue his assault on his opponents.  Let Ryan, a Cowboy or Rodgers bask in the glory of an MVP while they fall short of a SB ring.  Brady will take the SB ring instead.
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That's all I heard for months last year.

"Brady is on a mission!"

Then the Broncos knocked him on his ### repeatedly and out of the playoffs. :popcorn:  

 
jvdesigns2002 said:
According your logic--no qb with an elite offensive line should ever be eligible to win the MVP.    Let's also not forget that Dak played much of the season without Dez.     What Dak did this year as a rookie QB was at least as remarkable as what any of the guys you mentioned did this season. 
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no , I did not say that. what I meant was if u take Dak off Dallas and they are probably still a playoff team and Romo likely had a pro bowl season. thay doesn't really make an mvp imo

 
Ghost Rider said:
That's all I heard for months last year.

"Brady is on a mission!"

Then the Broncos knocked him on his ### repeatedly and out of the playoffs. :popcorn:  
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What seed are the Broncos? 

Oh, I thought the discussion was about this year.

 
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Anarchy99 said:
Gronk was pretty good those four weeks this year. Lewis missed over half the season and Bennett has been playing on one ankle for most of the year. 

There was no Jody Nelson or Julio Jones for Brady this year. All this doesn't mean Brady should be the MVP, but at some point he deserves some credit. People want to knock him for having good coaching and a solid defense, but he has no control over that. 

Where were people years ago when the Niners had the best offense, the best defense, the best coaching, the best WR to ever play, and a dual threat RB. I don't remember people saying Montana had it easy. 
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People absolutely said Montana had it easy. That's why overrated hacks like Elway got way more credit than they should have, and why there was a long-standing debate about Montana vs. Marino.

 
I would like to see an entire O-line be eligible for MVP with the Cowboys. Obviously it would be extremely rare, like a defensive player in the running for the Heisman. But in this case when those dudes in Dallas are collectively so head and shoulders above anybody else, I think it should be considered. Obviously voters and traditionalists will disagree.

 
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I would like to see an entire O-line be eligible for MVP with the Cowboys. Obviously it would be extremely rare, like a defensive player in the running for the Heisman. But in this case when those dudes in Dallas are collectively so head and shoulders above anybody else, I think it should be considered. Obviously voters and traditionalists will disagree.
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Yeah, will never happen but I think you make a valid point.  Take away that Oline and Elliott is I. Crowell and Prescott is B. Bortles, statistically.

 
Anarchy99 said:
Someone said Rodgers should get extra credit for playing on a team where the leading rusher had 457 yards. The point was Brady recently played on a team that ended up winning the SB with less of a rushing attack than GB and was an MVP after thought. What QB would you rather I discuss?
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Because his numbers were inferior 

Rodgers did it and his numbers were great.  

Prett bad comparison from you

 
Who was the oldest MVP ever?    I'm guessing Manning. Fairly amazing Brady is in the conversation. Could he win one while older than Manning?  Interesting.

 
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