Who's the NL MVP? (1 Viewer)

[Wrigley]

Anyone want a re-vote? Give it to Holliday!

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Rollins and Holliday are both very deserving. I'd really have to sit down to look at game by game impact but I think just looking at raw stats and thinking about what he means to his team, I'd go with Rollins.

I had both on my fantasy team though.

 

[DoubleG]

Anyone want a re-vote? Give it to Holliday!

I waited until after last night - 163 is part of the regular season. Holliday vote cast.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Rollins and Holliday are both very deserving. I'd really have to sit down to look at game by game impact but I think just looking at raw stats and thinking about what he means to his team, I'd go with Rollins.I had both on my fantasy team though.

Look at the splits. Holliday got most of his numbers hitting at Coors Field. Everyone knows due to the thin air it makes hitting easier there. The announcers last night were talking about it. The thin air doesn't allow the ball to break as much.Here goes Holliday's splits:Home: 82 games, 327 AB, 67 runs, 123 hits, 28 2bs, 5 3bs, 25 HRs, 82 RBI, 28 BBs, 58 Ks, 4 SB, .376 avg Away: 76 games, 309 AB, 53 runs, 93 hits, 22 2bs, 1 3bs, 11 HRs, 55 RBI, 35 BBs, 68 Ks, 7 SB, .301 avg I still think it's Rollins. He was good in just about every statistical offensive category AND he may very well win a gold glove to boot. There's more to the game then just offense. J-Roll did it all this year. He hit for power, hit for average, stole bases, scored runs and played defense. Ask a team like the Mutts how important defense is. I can only imagine what his numbers would have looked like if he got to hit at Coors Field for 82 games.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Rollins and Holliday are both very deserving. I'd really have to sit down to look at game by game impact but I think just looking at raw stats and thinking about what he means to his team, I'd go with Rollins.

I had both on my fantasy team though.

Look at the splits. Holliday got most of his numbers hitting at Coors Field. Everyone knows due to the thin air it makes hitting easier there. The announcers last night were talking about it. The thin air doesn't allow the ball to break as much.Here goes Holliday's splits:

Home: 82 games, 327 AB, 67 runs, 123 hits, 28 2bs, 5 3bs, 25 HRs, 82 RBI, 28 BBs, 58 Ks, 4 SB, .376 avg

Away: 76 games, 309 AB, 53 runs, 93 hits, 22 2bs, 1 3bs, 11 HRs, 55 RBI, 35 BBs, 68 Ks, 7 SB, .301 avg

I still think it's Rollins. He was good in just about every statistical offensive category AND he may very well win a gold glove to boot. There's more to the game then just offense. J-Roll did it all this year. He hit for power, hit for average, stole bases, scored runs and played defense. Ask a team like the Mutts how important defense is. I can only imagine what his numbers would have looked like if he got to hit at Coors Field for 82 games.

Park FactorsLooking at the park factors and as I suspected, it's actually easier to hit a HR at Citizens than it is at Coors. However Coors has much higher thresholds for 2Bs and 3Bs and hits in general. Coors offers an advantage in hits, avg, and extra base hits but not in HRs. One other thing that stands out is Rollins 11 home triples in a very non triple park. Take out Rollins 11 triples and Citizens is probably one of the five toughest places to get from home to third as it was in 2006.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Rollins and Holliday are both very deserving. I'd really have to sit down to look at game by game impact but I think just looking at raw stats and thinking about what he means to his team, I'd go with Rollins.

I had both on my fantasy team though.

Look at the splits. Holliday got most of his numbers hitting at Coors Field. Everyone knows due to the thin air it makes hitting easier there. The announcers last night were talking about it. The thin air doesn't allow the ball to break as much.Here goes Holliday's splits:

Home: 82 games, 327 AB, 67 runs, 123 hits, 28 2bs, 5 3bs, 25 HRs, 82 RBI, 28 BBs, 58 Ks, 4 SB, .376 avg

Away: 76 games, 309 AB, 53 runs, 93 hits, 22 2bs, 1 3bs, 11 HRs, 55 RBI, 35 BBs, 68 Ks, 7 SB, .301 avg

I still think it's Rollins. He was good in just about every statistical offensive category AND he may very well win a gold glove to boot. There's more to the game then just offense. J-Roll did it all this year. He hit for power, hit for average, stole bases, scored runs and played defense. Ask a team like the Mutts how important defense is. I can only imagine what his numbers would have looked like if he got to hit at Coors Field for 82 games.

Park FactorsLooking at the park factors and as I suspected, it's actually easier to hit a HR at Citizens than it is at Coors. However Coors has much higher thresholds for 2Bs and 3Bs and hits in general. Coors offers an advantage in hits, avg, and extra base hits but not in HRs. One other thing that stands out is Rollins 11 home triples in a very non triple park. Take out Rollins 11 triples and Citizens is probably one of the five toughest places to get from home to third as it was in 2006.

Look at Rollins splits:Home: 81 games, 347 AB, 69 runs, 104 hits, 13 2bs, 11 3bs, 18 HRs, 47 RBI, 21 BBs, 35 Ks, 20 SB, .300 avg

Away: 81 games, 369 AB, 70 runs, 108 hits, 25 2bs, 9 3bs, 12 HRs, 47 RBI, 28 BBs, 50 Ks, 21 SB, .293 avg

I'd say, CBP really wasn't much of a factor in his production. Now take a look at Holliday again.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Rollins and Holliday are both very deserving. I'd really have to sit down to look at game by game impact but I think just looking at raw stats and thinking about what he means to his team, I'd go with Rollins.

I had both on my fantasy team though.

Look at the splits. Holliday got most of his numbers hitting at Coors Field. Everyone knows due to the thin air it makes hitting easier there. The announcers last night were talking about it. The thin air doesn't allow the ball to break as much.Here goes Holliday's splits:

Home: 82 games, 327 AB, 67 runs, 123 hits, 28 2bs, 5 3bs, 25 HRs, 82 RBI, 28 BBs, 58 Ks, 4 SB, .376 avg

Away: 76 games, 309 AB, 53 runs, 93 hits, 22 2bs, 1 3bs, 11 HRs, 55 RBI, 35 BBs, 68 Ks, 7 SB, .301 avg

I still think it's Rollins. He was good in just about every statistical offensive category AND he may very well win a gold glove to boot. There's more to the game then just offense. J-Roll did it all this year. He hit for power, hit for average, stole bases, scored runs and played defense. Ask a team like the Mutts how important defense is. I can only imagine what his numbers would have looked like if he got to hit at Coors Field for 82 games.

Park FactorsLooking at the park factors and as I suspected, it's actually easier to hit a HR at Citizens than it is at Coors. However Coors has much higher thresholds for 2Bs and 3Bs and hits in general. Coors offers an advantage in hits, avg, and extra base hits but not in HRs. One other thing that stands out is Rollins 11 home triples in a very non triple park. Take out Rollins 11 triples and Citizens is probably one of the five toughest places to get from home to third as it was in 2006.

Look at Rollins splits:Home: 81 games, 347 AB, 69 runs, 104 hits, 13 2bs, 11 3bs, 18 HRs, 47 RBI, 21 BBs, 35 Ks, 20 SB, .300 avg

Away: 81 games, 369 AB, 70 runs, 108 hits, 25 2bs, 9 3bs, 12 HRs, 47 RBI, 28 BBs, 50 Ks, 21 SB, .293 avg

I'd say, CBP really wasn't much of a factor in his production. Now take a look at Holliday again.

If Rollins played at Petco or Comerica he'd probably have 20 HRs. But again he plays the most important defensive position, plays it as well as anyone and he steals 40 bases. I'd vote for him regardless.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Rollins and Holliday are both very deserving. I'd really have to sit down to look at game by game impact but I think just looking at raw stats and thinking about what he means to his team, I'd go with Rollins.

I had both on my fantasy team though.

Look at the splits. Holliday got most of his numbers hitting at Coors Field. Everyone knows due to the thin air it makes hitting easier there. The announcers last night were talking about it. The thin air doesn't allow the ball to break as much.Here goes Holliday's splits:

Home: 82 games, 327 AB, 67 runs, 123 hits, 28 2bs, 5 3bs, 25 HRs, 82 RBI, 28 BBs, 58 Ks, 4 SB, .376 avg

Away: 76 games, 309 AB, 53 runs, 93 hits, 22 2bs, 1 3bs, 11 HRs, 55 RBI, 35 BBs, 68 Ks, 7 SB, .301 avg

I still think it's Rollins. He was good in just about every statistical offensive category AND he may very well win a gold glove to boot. There's more to the game then just offense. J-Roll did it all this year. He hit for power, hit for average, stole bases, scored runs and played defense. Ask a team like the Mutts how important defense is. I can only imagine what his numbers would have looked like if he got to hit at Coors Field for 82 games.

Then how do you explain a mediocre first baseman like Ryan Howard winning the MVP last year?

 

[Snotbubbles]

Rollins and Holliday are both very deserving. I'd really have to sit down to look at game by game impact but I think just looking at raw stats and thinking about what he means to his team, I'd go with Rollins.

I had both on my fantasy team though.

Look at the splits. Holliday got most of his numbers hitting at Coors Field. Everyone knows due to the thin air it makes hitting easier there. The announcers last night were talking about it. The thin air doesn't allow the ball to break as much.Here goes Holliday's splits:

Home: 82 games, 327 AB, 67 runs, 123 hits, 28 2bs, 5 3bs, 25 HRs, 82 RBI, 28 BBs, 58 Ks, 4 SB, .376 avg

Away: 76 games, 309 AB, 53 runs, 93 hits, 22 2bs, 1 3bs, 11 HRs, 55 RBI, 35 BBs, 68 Ks, 7 SB, .301 avg

I still think it's Rollins. He was good in just about every statistical offensive category AND he may very well win a gold glove to boot. There's more to the game then just offense. J-Roll did it all this year. He hit for power, hit for average, stole bases, scored runs and played defense. Ask a team like the Mutts how important defense is. I can only imagine what his numbers would have looked like if he got to hit at Coors Field for 82 games.

Park FactorsLooking at the park factors and as I suspected, it's actually easier to hit a HR at Citizens than it is at Coors. However Coors has much higher thresholds for 2Bs and 3Bs and hits in general. Coors offers an advantage in hits, avg, and extra base hits but not in HRs. One other thing that stands out is Rollins 11 home triples in a very non triple park. Take out Rollins 11 triples and Citizens is probably one of the five toughest places to get from home to third as it was in 2006.

Look at Rollins splits:Home: 81 games, 347 AB, 69 runs, 104 hits, 13 2bs, 11 3bs, 18 HRs, 47 RBI, 21 BBs, 35 Ks, 20 SB, .300 avg

Away: 81 games, 369 AB, 70 runs, 108 hits, 25 2bs, 9 3bs, 12 HRs, 47 RBI, 28 BBs, 50 Ks, 21 SB, .293 avg

I'd say, CBP really wasn't much of a factor in his production. Now take a look at Holliday again.

If Rollins played at Petco or Comerica he'd probably have 20 HRs. But again he plays the most important defensive position, plays it as well as anyone and he steals 40 bases. I'd vote for him regardless.

So would Holliday. His road numbers are so-so. On the road Rollins had more hits, doubles, triples, HRs and SBs then Holliday. Holliday had a really good year (although I do think his numbers are a bit inflated playing at Coors), but what J-Roll did was special.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Rollins and Holliday are both very deserving. I'd really have to sit down to look at game by game impact but I think just looking at raw stats and thinking about what he means to his team, I'd go with Rollins.

I had both on my fantasy team though.

Look at the splits. Holliday got most of his numbers hitting at Coors Field. Everyone knows due to the thin air it makes hitting easier there. The announcers last night were talking about it. The thin air doesn't allow the ball to break as much.Here goes Holliday's splits:

Home: 82 games, 327 AB, 67 runs, 123 hits, 28 2bs, 5 3bs, 25 HRs, 82 RBI, 28 BBs, 58 Ks, 4 SB, .376 avg

Away: 76 games, 309 AB, 53 runs, 93 hits, 22 2bs, 1 3bs, 11 HRs, 55 RBI, 35 BBs, 68 Ks, 7 SB, .301 avg

I still think it's Rollins. He was good in just about every statistical offensive category AND he may very well win a gold glove to boot. There's more to the game then just offense. J-Roll did it all this year. He hit for power, hit for average, stole bases, scored runs and played defense. Ask a team like the Mutts how important defense is. I can only imagine what his numbers would have looked like if he got to hit at Coors Field for 82 games.

Park FactorsLooking at the park factors and as I suspected, it's actually easier to hit a HR at Citizens than it is at Coors. However Coors has much higher thresholds for 2Bs and 3Bs and hits in general. Coors offers an advantage in hits, avg, and extra base hits but not in HRs. One other thing that stands out is Rollins 11 home triples in a very non triple park. Take out Rollins 11 triples and Citizens is probably one of the five toughest places to get from home to third as it was in 2006.

Look at Rollins splits:Home: 81 games, 347 AB, 69 runs, 104 hits, 13 2bs, 11 3bs, 18 HRs, 47 RBI, 21 BBs, 35 Ks, 20 SB, .300 avg

Away: 81 games, 369 AB, 70 runs, 108 hits, 25 2bs, 9 3bs, 12 HRs, 47 RBI, 28 BBs, 50 Ks, 21 SB, .293 avg

I'd say, CBP really wasn't much of a factor in his production. Now take a look at Holliday again.

If Rollins played at Petco or Comerica he'd probably have 20 HRs. But again he plays the most important defensive position, plays it as well as anyone and he steals 40 bases. I'd vote for him regardless.

So would Holliday. His road numbers are so-so. On the road Rollins had more hits, doubles, triples, HRs and SBs then Holliday. Holliday had a really good year (although I do think his numbers are a bit inflated playing at Coors), but what J-Roll did was special.

I think you're arguing with the wrong person here so I'm gonna just step aside now and let you discuss this with someone who thinks Holliday should be the MVP.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Rollins and Holliday are both very deserving. I'd really have to sit down to look at game by game impact but I think just looking at raw stats and thinking about what he means to his team, I'd go with Rollins.

I had both on my fantasy team though.

Look at the splits. Holliday got most of his numbers hitting at Coors Field. Everyone knows due to the thin air it makes hitting easier there. The announcers last night were talking about it. The thin air doesn't allow the ball to break as much.Here goes Holliday's splits:

Home: 82 games, 327 AB, 67 runs, 123 hits, 28 2bs, 5 3bs, 25 HRs, 82 RBI, 28 BBs, 58 Ks, 4 SB, .376 avg

Away: 76 games, 309 AB, 53 runs, 93 hits, 22 2bs, 1 3bs, 11 HRs, 55 RBI, 35 BBs, 68 Ks, 7 SB, .301 avg

I still think it's Rollins. He was good in just about every statistical offensive category AND he may very well win a gold glove to boot. There's more to the game then just offense. J-Roll did it all this year. He hit for power, hit for average, stole bases, scored runs and played defense. Ask a team like the Mutts how important defense is. I can only imagine what his numbers would have looked like if he got to hit at Coors Field for 82 games.

Then how do you explain a mediocre first baseman like Ryan Howard winning the MVP last year?

Because off all the top guys last season none of them played very good defense. But if Pujols was a gold glover at first, or Berkman a gold glove outfielder, I bet one of them would have won the MVP last season over Howard.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Rollins and Holliday are both very deserving. I'd really have to sit down to look at game by game impact but I think just looking at raw stats and thinking about what he means to his team, I'd go with Rollins.

I had both on my fantasy team though.

Look at the splits. Holliday got most of his numbers hitting at Coors Field. Everyone knows due to the thin air it makes hitting easier there. The announcers last night were talking about it. The thin air doesn't allow the ball to break as much.Here goes Holliday's splits:

Home: 82 games, 327 AB, 67 runs, 123 hits, 28 2bs, 5 3bs, 25 HRs, 82 RBI, 28 BBs, 58 Ks, 4 SB, .376 avg

Away: 76 games, 309 AB, 53 runs, 93 hits, 22 2bs, 1 3bs, 11 HRs, 55 RBI, 35 BBs, 68 Ks, 7 SB, .301 avg

I still think it's Rollins. He was good in just about every statistical offensive category AND he may very well win a gold glove to boot. There's more to the game then just offense. J-Roll did it all this year. He hit for power, hit for average, stole bases, scored runs and played defense. Ask a team like the Mutts how important defense is. I can only imagine what his numbers would have looked like if he got to hit at Coors Field for 82 games.

Then how do you explain a mediocre first baseman like Ryan Howard winning the MVP last year?

Because off all the top guys last season none of them played very good defense. But if Pujols was a gold glover at first, or Berkman a gold glove outfielder, I bet one of them would have won the MVP last season over Howard.

Pujols won his first Gold Glove last season, which he absolutely deserved.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Then he should have won the MVP.

Tell Ryan Howard to give it to Pujols.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I don't see that happening.

I just can't give Rollins the MVP this year. Howard and Utley are arguably as valuable to that lineup, so how can you be the MVP of the entire league when you might not even be the most valuable player on your own team? I think some are wanting to give it to Rollins because his proclamation of the Phillies being the team to beat in the East ended up being true.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I don't see that happening. I just can't give Rollins the MVP this year. Howard and Utley are arguably as valuable to that lineup, so how can you be the MVP of the entire league when you might not even be the most valuable player on your own team? I think some are wanting to give it to Rollins because his proclamation of the Phillies being the team to beat in the East ended up being true.

Utley is the best hitter on the team.Howard has the most power.But if you ask anyone in that Phillies clubhouse who is the most valuable, they'll all tell you it's Jimmy Rollins. In their post game interviews on Sunday, they all said, the catalyst on this team is J-Roll. He makes them go.

 

[Ghost Rider]

The lead-off batter is almost always the catalyst for a team's offense, but that doesn't necessarily make them the most valuable. The same can be said for Jose Reyes, but had he played well in September and the Mets had made the playoffs, would he have been a better MVP candidate than David Wright, their true MVP? Nope.

 

[Wrigley]

I don't see that happening. I just can't give Rollins the MVP this year. Howard and Utley are arguably as valuable to that lineup, so how can you be the MVP of the entire league when you might not even be the most valuable player on your own team? I think some are wanting to give it to Rollins because his proclamation of the Phillies being the team to beat in the East ended up being true.

Utley is the best hitter on the team.Howard has the most power.But if you ask anyone in that Phillies clubhouse who is the most valuable, they'll all tell you it's Jimmy Rollins. In their post game interviews on Sunday, they all said, the catalyst on this team is J-Roll. He makes them go.

This team didn't take off until they traded for Iguchi.I'd say Iguchi made them go.

 

[Darth Cheney]

Anyone who has remotely followed the Phils this year knows that Jimmy Rollins is the MVP of that team.

 

[Snotbubbles]

The lead-off batter is almost always the catalyst for a team's offense, but that doesn't necessarily make them the most valuable. The same can be said for Jose Reyes, but had he played well in September and the Mets had made the playoffs, would he have been a better MVP candidate than David Wright, their true MVP? Nope.

Apples and Oranges.Look at Reyes numbers compared to Rollins:Hits: 191 (Rollins 212)Runs: 119 (139)2b: 36 (38)3b: 12 (20)HR: 12 (30)RBI: 57 (94)SB: 71 (41)Avg: .280 (.296)Not even close. But to answer your question, if Reyes had put up Rollin's numbers, the Mets would have made the playoffs and he very well could have been the MVP over Wright. But Reyes didn't play well. Therefore Wright was the MVP candidate for the Mets. But Reyes is the most valuable player for the Mets. When he was playing well at the begining and Wright wasn't the Mets were better then when Wright was playing well and Reyes wasn't.

 

[Wu-banger]

Anyone want a re-vote? Give it to Holliday!

:X Maybe the Holliday supporters want to revote...???If he makes that catch in left , the Rockies win.Instead , he gets gunned out at home and is a hero...??He has had a great month, but Rollins has been the glue to a Division winner, not just a Wild Card team.

 

[Wrigley]

Didn't Hanley Ramirez put up better numbers than Rollins?

And he was on a REAL bad team

 

[RedRaiders]

Here's what Jason Stark wrote:

National League MVP: Jimmy Rollins, Phillies

We could easily make a case for Matt Holliday, a guy who is going to have his season unfairly devalued because his home ballpark is a mile above sea level. We could easily make cases for Prince Fielder, particularly if he'd tugged the Brewers into the Octoberfest, and David Wright, who has had a tremendous second half. But after long and tortured deliberation, our vote goes to the 5-foot-8 shortstop who set the tone for the Phillies' wild and crazy season the minute he decreed last winter that they were the team to beat in the NL East. Rollins has blown away the modern NL record for runs scored (139) and extra-base hits (88) by a shortstop. No player at any position has ever matched his combination of runs, hits, doubles, triples, homers and steals in the same season. And he's not just a product of that offensive paradise his team plays in, either. (He has more runs, hits, doubles and RBIs -- and a higher OBP -- on the road.) But here's the real reason to vote for him: His team never would have been in position to make this historic September climb back from oblivion without him. Everybody but the Phanatic went down around him. But Jimmy Rollins kept plugging -- and Sunday he became the first NL shortstop in 34 years to start all 162 games. So he should be sputtering right now. Instead, he's the biggest energizer in the park and the most dependable defensive player on the field. If you take into account every area -- offense and defense, tangibles and intangibles -- it seems to us he's been a more important player (just barely) than Holliday, Fielder or Wright. And that's what that big word of the day, "valuable," means to us.

 

[DoubleG]

Here's what Jason Stark wrote:

National League MVP: Jimmy Rollins, Phillies

We could easily make a case for Matt Holliday, a guy who is going to have his season unfairly devalued because his home ballpark is a mile above sea level. We could easily make cases for Prince Fielder, particularly if he'd tugged the Brewers into the Octoberfest, and David Wright, who has had a tremendous second half. But after long and tortured deliberation, our vote goes to the 5-foot-8 shortstop who set the tone for the Phillies' wild and crazy season the minute he decreed last winter that they were the team to beat in the NL East. Rollins has blown away the modern NL record for runs scored (139) and extra-base hits (88) by a shortstop. No player at any position has ever matched his combination of runs, hits, doubles, triples, homers and steals in the same season. And he's not just a product of that offensive paradise his team plays in, either. (He has more runs, hits, doubles and RBIs -- and a higher OBP -- on the road.) But here's the real reason to vote for him: His team never would have been in position to make this historic September climb back from oblivion without him. Everybody but the Phanatic went down around him. But Jimmy Rollins kept plugging -- and Sunday he became the first NL shortstop in 34 years to start all 162 games. So he should be sputtering right now. Instead, he's the biggest energizer in the park and the most dependable defensive player on the field. If you take into account every area -- offense and defense, tangibles and intangibles -- it seems to us he's been a more important player (just barely) than Holliday, Fielder or Wright. And that's what that big word of the day, "valuable," means to us.

FINE!Scratch my Holiday vote - switch it to Rollins.

Jeez - gotta go and make sense and ####.

 

[Pat Patriot]

Rollins and Holliday are both very deserving. I'd really have to sit down to look at game by game impact but I think just looking at raw stats and thinking about what he means to his team, I'd go with Rollins.

I had both on my fantasy team though.

Look at the splits. Holliday got most of his numbers hitting at Coors Field. Everyone knows due to the thin air it makes hitting easier there. The announcers last night were talking about it. The thin air doesn't allow the ball to break as much.Here goes Holliday's splits:

Home: 82 games, 327 AB, 67 runs, 123 hits, 28 2bs, 5 3bs, 25 HRs, 82 RBI, 28 BBs, 58 Ks, 4 SB, .376 avg

Away: 76 games, 309 AB, 53 runs, 93 hits, 22 2bs, 1 3bs, 11 HRs, 55 RBI, 35 BBs, 68 Ks, 7 SB, .301 avg

I still think it's Rollins. He was good in just about every statistical offensive category AND he may very well win a gold glove to boot. There's more to the game then just offense. J-Roll did it all this year. He hit for power, hit for average, stole bases, scored runs and played defense. Ask a team like the Mutts how important defense is. I can only imagine what his numbers would have looked like if he got to hit at Coors Field for 82 games.

Then how do you explain a mediocre first baseman like Ryan Howard winning the MVP last year?

Because off all the top guys last season none of them played very good defense. But if Pujols was a gold glover at first, or Berkman a gold glove outfielder, I bet one of them would have won the MVP last season over Howard.

Realistically, defense doesnt matter in the MVP voting unless it is a DH vs. a position player such as AROD vs Big Papi a few years ago.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Anyone want a re-vote? Give it to Holliday!

Maybe the Holliday supporters want to revote...???If he makes that catch in left , the Rockies win.Instead , he gets gunned out at home and is a hero...??He has had a great month, but Rollins has been the glue to a Division winner, not just a Wild Card team.

Yes because the MVP award should be determined by one game . Oh and I'm certain that Rollins hasn't made any mistakes all year

 

[guru_007]

Here's what Jason Stark wrote:

National League MVP: Jimmy Rollins, Phillies

We could easily make a case for Matt Holliday, a guy who is going to have his season unfairly devalued because his home ballpark is a mile above sea level. We could easily make cases for Prince Fielder, particularly if he'd tugged the Brewers into the Octoberfest, and David Wright, who has had a tremendous second half. But after long and tortured deliberation, our vote goes to the 5-foot-8 shortstop who set the tone for the Phillies' wild and crazy season the minute he decreed last winter that they were the team to beat in the NL East. Rollins has blown away the modern NL record for runs scored (139) and extra-base hits (88) by a shortstop. No player at any position has ever matched his combination of runs, hits, doubles, triples, homers and steals in the same season. And he's not just a product of that offensive paradise his team plays in, either. (He has more runs, hits, doubles and RBIs -- and a higher OBP -- on the road.) But here's the real reason to vote for him: His team never would have been in position to make this historic September climb back from oblivion without him. Everybody but the Phanatic went down around him. But Jimmy Rollins kept plugging -- and Sunday he became the first NL shortstop in 34 years to start all 162 games. So he should be sputtering right now. Instead, he's the biggest energizer in the park and the most dependable defensive player on the field. If you take into account every area -- offense and defense, tangibles and intangibles -- it seems to us he's been a more important player (just barely) than Holliday, Fielder or Wright. And that's what that big word of the day, "valuable," means to us.

oy stats are so misleading, and Jayson Stark is an idiotftr, he is counting hits twice the way he worded that, because isn't a double also a hit? So, if he wants to make a case that no player has ever had more runs, more hits and more steals in a year......well, Rickey Henderson's done it at least twice, in none-MVP years. But I guess doubles are so much more important that we can count them twice

I'm not saying Rollins hasn't had an MVP type season, I'm just saying that Jayson Stark is an idiot, that is all.

 

[RedRaiders]

Here's what Jason Stark wrote:

National League MVP: Jimmy Rollins, Phillies

We could easily make a case for Matt Holliday, a guy who is going to have his season unfairly devalued because his home ballpark is a mile above sea level. We could easily make cases for Prince Fielder, particularly if he'd tugged the Brewers into the Octoberfest, and David Wright, who has had a tremendous second half. But after long and tortured deliberation, our vote goes to the 5-foot-8 shortstop who set the tone for the Phillies' wild and crazy season the minute he decreed last winter that they were the team to beat in the NL East. Rollins has blown away the modern NL record for runs scored (139) and extra-base hits (88) by a shortstop. No player at any position has ever matched his combination of runs, hits, doubles, triples, homers and steals in the same season. And he's not just a product of that offensive paradise his team plays in, either. (He has more runs, hits, doubles and RBIs -- and a higher OBP -- on the road.) But here's the real reason to vote for him: His team never would have been in position to make this historic September climb back from oblivion without him. Everybody but the Phanatic went down around him. But Jimmy Rollins kept plugging -- and Sunday he became the first NL shortstop in 34 years to start all 162 games. So he should be sputtering right now. Instead, he's the biggest energizer in the park and the most dependable defensive player on the field. If you take into account every area -- offense and defense, tangibles and intangibles -- it seems to us he's been a more important player (just barely) than Holliday, Fielder or Wright. And that's what that big word of the day, "valuable," means to us.

oy stats are so misleading, and Jayson Stark is an idiotftr, he is counting hits twice the way he worded that, because isn't a double also a hit? So, if he wants to make a case that no player has ever had more runs, more hits and more steals in a year......well, Rickey Henderson's done it at least twice, in none-MVP years. But I guess doubles are so much more important that we can count them twice

I'm not saying Rollins hasn't had an MVP type season, I'm just saying that Jayson Stark is an idiot, that is all.

He's not an idiot. I get your point about double counting but extra base hits count for something (his 88 are a NL SS record).

 

[guru_007]

He's not an idiot. I get your point about double counting but extra base hits count for something (his 88 are a NL SS record).

Okay....then how about giving me the stat that Jimmy Rollins has the most extra base hits + stolen bases + runs ever by any player at any position ever.......which would not be correct either.It's great that he has NL short stop records, he had a great season....I'm fine with him as an MVP. Not whom I'd cast my vote for, but I can see someone's point. Just don't make up these stats to show me he's had the greatest season of all-time. I don't think that's the case.

 

[Snotbubbles]

He's not an idiot. I get your point about double counting but extra base hits count for something (his 88 are a NL SS record).

Okay....then how about giving me the stat that Jimmy Rollins has the most extra base hits + stolen bases + runs ever by any player at any position ever.......which would not be correct either.It's great that he has NL short stop records, he had a great season....I'm fine with him as an MVP. Not whom I'd cast my vote for, but I can see someone's point. Just don't make up these stats to show me he's had the greatest season of all-time. I don't think that's the case.

That's what he doing, only he's going a bit further. He's saying no player AT ANY POSITION, not just shortstops has never had the type of season J-Roll had this year across the board. What Rollins has done this year was unprecedented. I don't think (don't feel like looking it up) ANY PLAYER EVER has had:200 hits30 2b20 3b30 HRs40 SBsWillie Mays I believe came the closest in 1957.

 

[guru_007]

He's not an idiot. I get your point about double counting but extra base hits count for something (his 88 are a NL SS record).

Okay....then how about giving me the stat that Jimmy Rollins has the most extra base hits + stolen bases + runs ever by any player at any position ever.......which would not be correct either.It's great that he has NL short stop records, he had a great season....I'm fine with him as an MVP. Not whom I'd cast my vote for, but I can see someone's point. Just don't make up these stats to show me he's had the greatest season of all-time. I don't think that's the case.

That's what he doing, only he's going a bit further. He's saying no player AT ANY POSITION, not just shortstops has never had the type of season J-Roll had this year across the board. What Rollins has done this year was unprecedented. I don't think (don't feel like looking it up) ANY PLAYER EVER has had:200 hits30 2b20 3b30 HRs40 SBsWillie Mays I believe came the closest in 1957.

Curtis Granderson185 hits38 2b23 3b23 hr26 sb (only 1 caught stealing)122 runsabsolutely zero mvp hype just saying

 

[Tremendous Upside]

He's not an idiot. I get your point about double counting but extra base hits count for something (his 88 are a NL SS record).

Okay....then how about giving me the stat that Jimmy Rollins has the most extra base hits + stolen bases + runs ever by any player at any position ever.......which would not be correct either.It's great that he has NL short stop records, he had a great season....I'm fine with him as an MVP. Not whom I'd cast my vote for, but I can see someone's point. Just don't make up these stats to show me he's had the greatest season of all-time. I don't think that's the case.

That's what he doing, only he's going a bit further. He's saying no player AT ANY POSITION, not just shortstops has never had the type of season J-Roll had this year across the board. What Rollins has done this year was unprecedented. I don't think (don't feel like looking it up) ANY PLAYER EVER has had:200 hits30 2b20 3b30 HRs40 SBsWillie Mays I believe came the closest in 1957.

Curtis Granderson185 hits38 2b23 3b23 hr26 sb (only 1 caught stealing)122 runsabsolutely zero mvp hype just saying

I think that's more a case of Granderson being criminally underrated than Rollins being overrated....Also, the NL doesn't have anyone having the season A-Rod is having...A-Rod's season has effectively rendered all other AL MVP talk moot for a couple of months now

 

[guru_007]

I think that's more a case of Granderson being criminally underrated than Rollins being overrated....Also, the NL doesn't have anyone having the season A-Rod is having...A-Rod's season has effectively rendered all other AL MVP talk moot for a couple of months now

I don't think Granderson's underrated at all. He had a great year. He just didn't have an MVP caliber year. Wasn't even the best player on his own team.The only reason I brought him up, other than the fact that I'm entirely too lazy to look up any stats, is that I know he had a solid year across board. Writers want to pull stats out of their asses to make someone look like they were the best player in the history of the game. That's their job. I just don't agree with Stark's assessment. That's my job as dutiful message board contrarian. Gonna be hard for me to argue the ARod MVP pick though

 

[Snotbubbles]

He's not an idiot. I get your point about double counting but extra base hits count for something (his 88 are a NL SS record).

Okay....then how about giving me the stat that Jimmy Rollins has the most extra base hits + stolen bases + runs ever by any player at any position ever.......which would not be correct either.It's great that he has NL short stop records, he had a great season....I'm fine with him as an MVP. Not whom I'd cast my vote for, but I can see someone's point. Just don't make up these stats to show me he's had the greatest season of all-time. I don't think that's the case.

That's what he doing, only he's going a bit further. He's saying no player AT ANY POSITION, not just shortstops has never had the type of season J-Roll had this year across the board. What Rollins has done this year was unprecedented. I don't think (don't feel like looking it up) ANY PLAYER EVER has had:200 hits30 2b20 3b30 HRs40 SBsWillie Mays I believe came the closest in 1957.

Curtis Granderson185 hits38 2b23 3b23 hr26 sb (only 1 caught stealing)122 runsabsolutely zero mvp hype just saying

Great year by Granderson. But he stillidn't get 200 hits.Didn't get 30 HRs.Didn't steal 40 bases.Didn't score 130 runs.Didn't knock in 90 RBIs.Plus, I think with the Yankee hype machine A-Rod had the MVP sewn up months ago.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

He's not an idiot. I get your point about double counting but extra base hits count for something (his 88 are a NL SS record).

Okay....then how about giving me the stat that Jimmy Rollins has the most extra base hits + stolen bases + runs ever by any player at any position ever.......which would not be correct either.It's great that he has NL short stop records, he had a great season....I'm fine with him as an MVP. Not whom I'd cast my vote for, but I can see someone's point. Just don't make up these stats to show me he's had the greatest season of all-time. I don't think that's the case.

That's what he doing, only he's going a bit further. He's saying no player AT ANY POSITION, not just shortstops has never had the type of season J-Roll had this year across the board. What Rollins has done this year was unprecedented. I don't think (don't feel like looking it up) ANY PLAYER EVER has had:200 hits30 2b20 3b30 HRs40 SBsWillie Mays I believe came the closest in 1957.

Curtis Granderson185 hits38 2b23 3b23 hr26 sb (only 1 caught stealing)122 runsabsolutely zero mvp hype just saying

Great year by Granderson. But he stillidn't get 200 hits.Didn't get 30 HRs.Didn't steal 40 bases.Didn't score 130 runs.Didn't knock in 90 RBIs.Plus, I think with the Yankee hype machine A-Rod had the MVP sewn up months ago.

Yeah, it's the Yankee hype machine that sewed up the MVP for ARod

 

[the moops]

He's not an idiot. I get your point about double counting but extra base hits count for something (his 88 are a NL SS record).

Okay....then how about giving me the stat that Jimmy Rollins has the most extra base hits + stolen bases + runs ever by any player at any position ever.......which would not be correct either.It's great that he has NL short stop records, he had a great season....I'm fine with him as an MVP. Not whom I'd cast my vote for, but I can see someone's point. Just don't make up these stats to show me he's had the greatest season of all-time. I don't think that's the case.

That's what he doing, only he's going a bit further. He's saying no player AT ANY POSITION, not just shortstops has never had the type of season J-Roll had this year across the board. What Rollins has done this year was unprecedented. I don't think (don't feel like looking it up) ANY PLAYER EVER has had:200 hits30 2b20 3b30 HRs40 SBsWillie Mays I believe came the closest in 1957.

Curtis Granderson185 hits38 2b23 3b23 hr26 sb (only 1 caught stealing)122 runsabsolutely zero mvp hype just saying

Those 2 stat lines are not too similar.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

He's not an idiot. I get your point about double counting but extra base hits count for something (his 88 are a NL SS record).

Okay....then how about giving me the stat that Jimmy Rollins has the most extra base hits + stolen bases + runs ever by any player at any position ever.......which would not be correct either.It's great that he has NL short stop records, he had a great season....I'm fine with him as an MVP. Not whom I'd cast my vote for, but I can see someone's point. Just don't make up these stats to show me he's had the greatest season of all-time. I don't think that's the case.

That's what he doing, only he's going a bit further. He's saying no player AT ANY POSITION, not just shortstops has never had the type of season J-Roll had this year across the board. What Rollins has done this year was unprecedented. I don't think (don't feel like looking it up) ANY PLAYER EVER has had:200 hits30 2b20 3b30 HRs40 SBsWillie Mays I believe came the closest in 1957.

Curtis Granderson185 hits38 2b23 3b23 hr26 sb (only 1 caught stealing)122 runsabsolutely zero mvp hype just saying

Great year by Granderson. But he stillidn't get 200 hits.Didn't get 30 HRs.Didn't steal 40 bases.Didn't score 130 runs.Didn't knock in 90 RBIs.Plus, I think with the Yankee hype machine A-Rod had the MVP sewn up months ago.

Guess what, Granderson had more extra base hits, a higher average, a higher OBP, and a higher OPS + (actually 20 points higher ). If you want to argue that Rollins had a better year which is an apples to oranges argument, I'll play along now.ETA: He also had more total bases and had 100 less at bats. Oh, and he didn't play in a pinball machine known as Citizens bank Pinball Park.

 

[stevegamer]

He's not an idiot. I get your point about double counting but extra base hits count for something (his 88 are a NL SS record).

Okay....then how about giving me the stat that Jimmy Rollins has the most extra base hits + stolen bases + runs ever by any player at any position ever.......which would not be correct either.It's great that he has NL short stop records, he had a great season....I'm fine with him as an MVP. Not whom I'd cast my vote for, but I can see someone's point. Just don't make up these stats to show me he's had the greatest season of all-time. I don't think that's the case.

That's what he doing, only he's going a bit further. He's saying no player AT ANY POSITION, not just shortstops has never had the type of season J-Roll had this year across the board. What Rollins has done this year was unprecedented. I don't think (don't feel like looking it up) ANY PLAYER EVER has had:200 hits30 2b20 3b30 HRs40 SBsWillie Mays I believe came the closest in 1957.

Curtis Granderson185 hits38 2b23 3b23 hr26 sb (only 1 caught stealing)122 runsabsolutely zero mvp hype just saying

Great year by Granderson. But he stillidn't get 200 hits.Didn't get 30 HRs.Didn't steal 40 bases.Didn't score 130 runs.Didn't knock in 90 RBIs.Plus, I think with the Yankee hype machine A-Rod had the MVP sewn up months ago.

Guess what, Granderson had more extra base hits, a higher average, a higher OBP, and a higher OPS + (actually 20 points higher ). If you want to argue that Rollins had a better year which is an apples to oranges argument, I'll play along now.ETA: He also had more total bases and had 100 less at bats. Oh, and he didn't play in a pinball machine known as Citizens bank Pinball Park.

He's also not in the NL, and not playing SS.We all know that generally:Your team has to make the playoffs to get an MVP.It helps to play a more important defensive positonVoters like counting stats.Granderson vs. Rollins is irrelevant. It's really Holliday vs. Rollins, and Coors vs. Citizens is really at best a wash for Coors. Rollins played very well on the road, Holliday, not so much. Game 163 is going to help Holliday, we'll see if he wins it. It wouldn't surprise me if this ended up being a split award.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

He's not an idiot. I get your point about double counting but extra base hits count for something (his 88 are a NL SS record).

Okay....then how about giving me the stat that Jimmy Rollins has the most extra base hits + stolen bases + runs ever by any player at any position ever.......which would not be correct either.It's great that he has NL short stop records, he had a great season....I'm fine with him as an MVP. Not whom I'd cast my vote for, but I can see someone's point. Just don't make up these stats to show me he's had the greatest season of all-time. I don't think that's the case.

That's what he doing, only he's going a bit further. He's saying no player AT ANY POSITION, not just shortstops has never had the type of season J-Roll had this year across the board. What Rollins has done this year was unprecedented. I don't think (don't feel like looking it up) ANY PLAYER EVER has had:200 hits30 2b20 3b30 HRs40 SBsWillie Mays I believe came the closest in 1957.

Curtis Granderson185 hits38 2b23 3b23 hr26 sb (only 1 caught stealing)122 runsabsolutely zero mvp hype just saying

Great year by Granderson. But he stillidn't get 200 hits.Didn't get 30 HRs.Didn't steal 40 bases.Didn't score 130 runs.Didn't knock in 90 RBIs.Plus, I think with the Yankee hype machine A-Rod had the MVP sewn up months ago.

Guess what, Granderson had more extra base hits, a higher average, a higher OBP, and a higher OPS + (actually 20 points higher ). If you want to argue that Rollins had a better year which is an apples to oranges argument, I'll play along now.ETA: He also had more total bases and had 100 less at bats. Oh, and he didn't play in a pinball machine known as Citizens bank Pinball Park.

He's also not in the NL, and not playing SS.We all know that generally:Your team has to make the playoffs to get an MVP.It helps to play a more important defensive positonVoters like counting stats.Granderson vs. Rollins is irrelevant. It's really Holliday vs. Rollins, and Coors vs. Citizens is really at best a wash for Coors. Rollins played very well on the road, Holliday, not so much. Game 163 is going to help Holliday, we'll see if he wins it. It wouldn't surprise me if this ended up being a split award.

Scroll up. I wasn't comparing rollins to granderson, Philly homer was. I'm pretty sure I understand Granderson isn't the NL MVP, but saying unequivocally that Rollins had a better year is pretty hilarious. OPS is enough to bring that argument to a stretching halt. Add in the park factor (check Granderson's home/away splits) and you'll find granderson had a similar if not better year considering the difference in at bats.

 

[Snotbubbles]

He's not an idiot. I get your point about double counting but extra base hits count for something (his 88 are a NL SS record).

Okay....then how about giving me the stat that Jimmy Rollins has the most extra base hits + stolen bases + runs ever by any player at any position ever.......which would not be correct either.It's great that he has NL short stop records, he had a great season....I'm fine with him as an MVP. Not whom I'd cast my vote for, but I can see someone's point. Just don't make up these stats to show me he's had the greatest season of all-time. I don't think that's the case.

That's what he doing, only he's going a bit further. He's saying no player AT ANY POSITION, not just shortstops has never had the type of season J-Roll had this year across the board. What Rollins has done this year was unprecedented. I don't think (don't feel like looking it up) ANY PLAYER EVER has had:200 hits30 2b20 3b30 HRs40 SBsWillie Mays I believe came the closest in 1957.

Curtis Granderson185 hits38 2b23 3b23 hr26 sb (only 1 caught stealing)122 runsabsolutely zero mvp hype just saying

Great year by Granderson. But he stillidn't get 200 hits.Didn't get 30 HRs.Didn't steal 40 bases.Didn't score 130 runs.Didn't knock in 90 RBIs.Plus, I think with the Yankee hype machine A-Rod had the MVP sewn up months ago.

Guess what, Granderson had more extra base hits, a higher average, a higher OBP, and a higher OPS + (actually 20 points higher ). If you want to argue that Rollins had a better year which is an apples to oranges argument, I'll play along now.ETA: He also had more total bases and had 100 less at bats. Oh, and he didn't play in a pinball machine known as Citizens bank Pinball Park.

Rollins plays a more demanding position. He had more extra base hits on the road.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

He's not an idiot. I get your point about double counting but extra base hits count for something (his 88 are a NL SS record).

Okay....then how about giving me the stat that Jimmy Rollins has the most extra base hits + stolen bases + runs ever by any player at any position ever.......which would not be correct either.It's great that he has NL short stop records, he had a great season....I'm fine with him as an MVP. Not whom I'd cast my vote for, but I can see someone's point. Just don't make up these stats to show me he's had the greatest season of all-time. I don't think that's the case.

That's what he doing, only he's going a bit further. He's saying no player AT ANY POSITION, not just shortstops has never had the type of season J-Roll had this year across the board. What Rollins has done this year was unprecedented. I don't think (don't feel like looking it up) ANY PLAYER EVER has had:200 hits30 2b20 3b30 HRs40 SBsWillie Mays I believe came the closest in 1957.

Curtis Granderson185 hits38 2b23 3b23 hr26 sb (only 1 caught stealing)122 runsabsolutely zero mvp hype just saying

Great year by Granderson. But he stillidn't get 200 hits.Didn't get 30 HRs.Didn't steal 40 bases.Didn't score 130 runs.Didn't knock in 90 RBIs.Plus, I think with the Yankee hype machine A-Rod had the MVP sewn up months ago.

Guess what, Granderson had more extra base hits, a higher average, a higher OBP, and a higher OPS + (actually 20 points higher ). If you want to argue that Rollins had a better year which is an apples to oranges argument, I'll play along now.ETA: He also had more total bases and had 100 less at bats. Oh, and he didn't play in a pinball machine known as Citizens bank Pinball Park.

Rollins plays a more demanding position. He had more extra base hits on the road.

Rollins is good, but he's no Rickie Weeks

 

[stevegamer]

He's not an idiot. I get your point about double counting but extra base hits count for something (his 88 are a NL SS record).

Okay....then how about giving me the stat that Jimmy Rollins has the most extra base hits + stolen bases + runs ever by any player at any position ever.......which would not be correct either.It's great that he has NL short stop records, he had a great season....I'm fine with him as an MVP. Not whom I'd cast my vote for, but I can see someone's point. Just don't make up these stats to show me he's had the greatest season of all-time. I don't think that's the case.

That's what he doing, only he's going a bit further. He's saying no player AT ANY POSITION, not just shortstops has never had the type of season J-Roll had this year across the board. What Rollins has done this year was unprecedented. I don't think (don't feel like looking it up) ANY PLAYER EVER has had:200 hits30 2b20 3b30 HRs40 SBsWillie Mays I believe came the closest in 1957.

Curtis Granderson185 hits38 2b23 3b23 hr26 sb (only 1 caught stealing)122 runsabsolutely zero mvp hype just saying

Great year by Granderson. But he stillidn't get 200 hits.Didn't get 30 HRs.Didn't steal 40 bases.Didn't score 130 runs.Didn't knock in 90 RBIs.Plus, I think with the Yankee hype machine A-Rod had the MVP sewn up months ago.

Guess what, Granderson had more extra base hits, a higher average, a higher OBP, and a higher OPS + (actually 20 points higher :X ). If you want to argue that Rollins had a better year which is an apples to oranges argument, I'll play along now.ETA: He also had more total bases and had 100 less at bats. Oh, and he didn't play in a pinball machine known as Citizens bank Pinball Park.

He's also not in the NL, and not playing SS.We all know that generally:Your team has to make the playoffs to get an MVP.It helps to play a more important defensive positonVoters like counting stats.Granderson vs. Rollins is irrelevant. It's really Holliday vs. Rollins, and Coors vs. Citizens is really at best a wash for Coors. Rollins played very well on the road, Holliday, not so much. Game 163 is going to help Holliday, we'll see if he wins it. It wouldn't surprise me if this ended up being a split award.

Scroll up. I wasn't comparing rollins to granderson, Philly homer was. I'm pretty sure I understand Granderson isn't the NL MVP, but saying unequivocally that Rollins had a better year is pretty hilarious. OPS is enough to bring that argument to a stretching halt. Add in the park factor (check Granderson's home/away splits) and you'll find granderson had a similar if not better year considering the difference in at bats.

Gotcha. I'd give it to Rollins for a better year over Granderson, but it is close. And I'm biased.

 

[TitusIII]

This is a tough call, I'd give it to Holliday because he gets on base at a significantly higher rate than Rollins. It is also debateable as to whether or not Jimmy Rollins is the most important player on the Phillies, I don't think there is any question at all that Matt Holliday is the man on the Rockies.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Rollins plays a more demanding position.

CF is one of the more critical position in baseball would you agree? Anyway I thought this was about hitting numbers. We aren't saying Granderson is the NL MVP, because he's not in the NL.

He had more extra base hits on the road.

Here are their respective road stats.

PA   2B 3B HR RBI OPS+Rollins		   406  25  9  12  47   129Granderson		341  20 13  13  38   155

Anyway Rollins is IMO the NL MVP but saying he was on a stage all to his own and discounting Granderson to prop Rollins up in the NL MVP race, is not the way to express his season. Granderson had a spectacular year and not a whole lot of people acknowledged it even though the Tigers were still in the race with a week left. He even surprised me with his progress this year and I'm fairly confident he still has room to grow. If he can learn how to hit lefthanders better, he will wreck the AL in the coming years.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Rollins plays a more demanding position.

CF is one of the more critical position in baseball would you agree? Anyway I thought this was about hitting numbers. We aren't saying Granderson is the NL MVP, because he's not in the NL.

He had more extra base hits on the road.

Here are their respective road stats.

PA   2B 3B HR RBI OPS+Rollins		   406  25  9  12  47   129Granderson		341  20 13  13  38   155

Anyway Rollins is IMO the NL MVP but saying he was on a stage all to his own and discounting Granderson to prop Rollins up in the NL MVP race, is not the way to express his season. Granderson had a spectacular year and not a whole lot of people acknowledged it even though the Tigers were still in the race with a week left. He even surprised me with his progress this year and I'm fairly confident he still has room to grow. If he can learn how to hit lefthanders better, he will wreck the AL in the coming years.

Critical and demanding are two different things. You can give me OPS until you're blue in the face. The bottom line isn't some OPS statistic. The bottom line is runs scored, hits, 2bs, 3bs, HR, RBI, SB and avg. You can pro-rate all you want. Granderson had a nice year. But I doubt anyone would trade what Rollins did this year, for what Granderson did. Rollins season was unique. Granderson had a nice season, but it wasn't as good as what Rollins did. And to anyone who says that Rollins isn't the most valuable Philly. This year he was. Is he the best hitter on the team? No. Does he have the most power? No. Is the the most valuable Phillie? Yes. But you have to watch more than just a game here or there to know this.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Rollins plays a more demanding position.

CF is one of the more critical position in baseball would you agree? Anyway I thought this was about hitting numbers. We aren't saying Granderson is the NL MVP, because he's not in the NL.

He had more extra base hits on the road.

Here are their respective road stats.

PA   2B 3B HR RBI OPS+Rollins		   406  25  9  12  47   129Granderson		341  20 13  13  38   155

Anyway Rollins is IMO the NL MVP but saying he was on a stage all to his own and discounting Granderson to prop Rollins up in the NL MVP race, is not the way to express his season. Granderson had a spectacular year and not a whole lot of people acknowledged it even though the Tigers were still in the race with a week left. He even surprised me with his progress this year and I'm fairly confident he still has room to grow. If he can learn how to hit lefthanders better, he will wreck the AL in the coming years.

You can give me OPS until you're blue in the face. The bottom line isn't some OPS statistic. The bottom line is runs scored, hits, 2bs, 3bs, HR, RBI, SB and avg. You can pro-rate all you want. Granderson had a nice year. But I doubt anyone would trade what Rollins did this year, for what Granderson did. Rollins season was unique. Granderson had a nice season, but it wasn't as good as what Rollins did.

Look at the raw stats anyway you like. I proved my point and you did not. Laughing off OPS was your best line but just ignoring that Granderson had more extra base hits than Rollins did, a better average, a better OBP, and did it in almost 100 less at bats makes you look like an ignorant homer. Saying Rollins had more xtra base hits, not considering park factor, calling for us to look at road stats and then when you see Granderson's were better just ignoring them. Bravo. Best homer performace of the day snotbubble.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Rollins plays a more demanding position.

CF is one of the more critical position in baseball would you agree? Anyway I thought this was about hitting numbers. We aren't saying Granderson is the NL MVP, because he's not in the NL.

He had more extra base hits on the road.

Here are their respective road stats.

PA   2B 3B HR RBI OPS+Rollins		   406  25  9  12  47   129Granderson		341  20 13  13  38   155

Anyway Rollins is IMO the NL MVP but saying he was on a stage all to his own and discounting Granderson to prop Rollins up in the NL MVP race, is not the way to express his season. Granderson had a spectacular year and not a whole lot of people acknowledged it even though the Tigers were still in the race with a week left. He even surprised me with his progress this year and I'm fairly confident he still has room to grow. If he can learn how to hit lefthanders better, he will wreck the AL in the coming years.

Critical and demanding are two different things. You can give me OPS until you're blue in the face. The bottom line isn't some OPS statistic. The bottom line is runs scored, hits, 2bs, 3bs, HR, RBI, SB and avg. You can pro-rate all you want. Granderson had a nice year. But I doubt anyone would trade what Rollins did this year, for what Granderson did. Rollins season was unique. Granderson had a nice season, but it wasn't as good as what Rollins did. And to anyone who says that Rollins isn't the most valuable Philly. This year he was. Is he the best hitter on the team? No. Does he have the most power? No. Is the the most valuable Phillie? Yes. But you have to watch more than just a game here or there to know this.

@ thinking that those other stats are more meaningful than OPS. That truly does make you look like a blind homer. If I had to pick one stat to define the best hitter it would be OPS period, end of story.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Rollins plays a more demanding position.

CF is one of the more critical position in baseball would you agree? Anyway I thought this was about hitting numbers. We aren't saying Granderson is the NL MVP, because he's not in the NL.

He had more extra base hits on the road.

Here are their respective road stats.

PA   2B 3B HR RBI OPS+Rollins		   406  25  9  12  47   129Granderson		341  20 13  13  38   155

Anyway Rollins is IMO the NL MVP but saying he was on a stage all to his own and discounting Granderson to prop Rollins up in the NL MVP race, is not the way to express his season. Granderson had a spectacular year and not a whole lot of people acknowledged it even though the Tigers were still in the race with a week left. He even surprised me with his progress this year and I'm fairly confident he still has room to grow. If he can learn how to hit lefthanders better, he will wreck the AL in the coming years.

Critical and demanding are two different things. You can give me OPS until you're blue in the face. The bottom line isn't some OPS statistic. The bottom line is runs scored, hits, 2bs, 3bs, HR, RBI, SB and avg. You can pro-rate all you want. Granderson had a nice year. But I doubt anyone would trade what Rollins did this year, for what Granderson did. Rollins season was unique. Granderson had a nice season, but it wasn't as good as what Rollins did. And to anyone who says that Rollins isn't the most valuable Philly. This year he was. Is he the best hitter on the team? No. Does he have the most power? No. Is the the most valuable Phillie? Yes. But you have to watch more than just a game here or there to know this.

@ thinking that those other stats are more meaningful than OPS. That truly does make you look like a blind homer. If I had to pick one stat to define the best hitter it would be OPS period, end of story.

Ichiro IMO is one of the best hitters in the game. He doesn't have a high OPS. OPS weights unfairly against guys who get a lot of singles and over values guys who hit a lot of HRs. Power hitters also tend to draw more walks because people pitch around them. If Rollins hits a single and steals second and third, he'll have a lower OPS than someone who hits a triple. Pat Burrell had a higher OPS than Rollins. And Dr. Detriot, you're the one who said Rollins hits in a "pinball machine park." I simply pointed out that he did just as well if not better on the road then at CBP. I'm not sure what that has to do with Granderson's home and away splits.

 

[guru_007]

Ichiro IMO is one of the best hitters in the game. He doesn't have a high OPS. OPS weights unfairly against guys who get a lot of singles and over values guys who hit a lot of HRs. Power hitters also tend to draw more walks because people pitch around them. If Rollins hits a single and steals second and third, he'll have a lower OPS than someone who hits a triple. Pat Burrell had a higher OPS than Rollins. And Dr. Detriot, you're the one who said Rollins hits in a "pinball machine park." I simply pointed out that he did just as well if not better on the road then at CBP. I'm not sure what that has to do with Granderson's home and away splits.

2007 Ichiro OPS+ 1242007 Rollins OPS+ 120Just saying

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Ichiro IMO is one of the best hitters in the game. He doesn't have a high OPS. OPS weights unfairly against guys who get a lot of singles and over values guys who hit a lot of HRs. Power hitters also tend to draw more walks because people pitch around them. If Rollins hits a single and steals second and third, he'll have a lower OPS than someone who hits a triple. Pat Burrell had a higher OPS than Rollins. And Dr. Detriot, you're the one who said Rollins hits in a "pinball machine park." I simply pointed out that he did just as well if not better on the road then at CBP. I'm not sure what that has to do with Granderson's home and away splits.

2007 Ichiro OPS+ 1242007 Rollins OPS+ 120Just saying

When considering the best hitters of all-time usually people use OPS+ as the primary indicator (Ty Cobb was a "singles hitter also so take a look at his OPS numbers), but I guess in this case it is "unfair" because Rollins only had 88 extra base hits.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

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