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You mean the Bengals who kept it close for much of that game with their backup QB after a freak injury? This is getting pathetic, guys. Seriously. I particularly expected more from you, Joe.at Pittsburgh being close to a gimme. I wonder if the Bengals knew that?...
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You called them a "gimme". If that's knocking them, I don't know what is.
Organized religion is certainly a popular thing at minimum.As to Lachey, that all has to do with a shock jock a long time ago. Still, shame on you for using it without getting it right.
Yes, the Bengals who played with Kitna as their QB. Obviously Manning didn't play well enough to win today. Some people will hate him no matter what. Some will love him no matter what. Most like me are in the middle.You mean the Bengals who kept it close for much of that game with their backup QB after a freak injury? This is getting pathetic, guys. Seriously. I particularly expected more from you, Joe.
That made me laugh. Nice. You should have put the bag at the end and it would have perfect!
This thread deserved it. Particularly your posts.you just gave yourself a good posting???? Now I have seen it all.
They were a gimme. I'm calling them exactly what they were -- the 6th best team in the AFC. Logic dictates that the best team in the AFC WHO HAD BEATEN THEM ONCE ALREADY should have little trouble defeating them. In my mind, recognizing their true status actually is a compliment because it shows how they overcame.
I think the poll was contradictory to your claim that you wanted to have an open & honest conversation about Peyton Manning.Unless you really think people hate him because his Christian? Which if you do... you are insane, I mean crazier than FlaWed and Dr. Detroit put together.
The Colts beat the Steelers 26-7 in Week 12 at home, there was a reason the Colts were big favorites. Its not a slight against Pittsburgh that they were an underdog, but its not a stretch to say this was a game Indy was expected to win. Why was Manning able to make the right adjustments in the regular season game and not today? Was it 100% the O-line? Personally, I don't think its that simple.
Do you seriously need to see the stats on #6 vs. #1 in the playoffs to acknowledge the point I'm making?
Hi Jimmy,I don't need to see any stats to know that Pittsburgh was nowhere remotely even in the same ball park as a gimme.
If this was so obvious, why was it that virtually every expert who picked this game picked the Colts? Why was the line -9 Colts? I respect this Steelers team and what they were able to accomplish. It does not mean that they should have won this game today. Anyone who believes otherwise is kidding himself.
possibly a little starry eyed hype. A lot of the talking heads picked the Colts, a lot of other people picked the Steelers.
Of course it's not that simple. Football is a complicated game. There were many factors. Offensive line, defensive line, secondary, quarterback. No one deserves 100% of the blame.It seems like a lot of posters on this board treat the play of every position outside of the offensive skill positions as a constant. It's not as simple as saying the Colts won last time, the Steelers won this time, so Manning must have done something different. Players at every other position have good and bad games too. Coaches get outcoached sometimes.
This is an EXCELLENT point.As and Indy native and a growing Colts fan, (it's hard not to like the team when you live in town...) I looked at my wife half way thru the first quarter and said "He's got happy feet again - just like the San Diego Game... this isn't going to end well."
Hi Jimmy,I don't know anyone who thought it was a gimme game. Not even close. If they did, they didn't pay attention to the Bengals game with Kitna playing.
I think you just hit a major key right here. It looks awfully much like there is no real meaningful offensive coaching and certainly no quarterback coaching. I'm inclined to blame everyone on the coaching staff who deals with offense and Peyton Manning for that. I seriously think that he has taken the hype about him being a student of the game seriously and has helped create a situation around him where there are not external forces working to make him a better QB. I think it's a darn shame and that it is holding him and this team back.
What's darn funny about this is that I just spent a solid week over at FinHeaven.com where I typically post defending the play of one Jon Kitna and the Bengals. You seem to be representing to me that the commentary on that game here was that the Steelers were an awesome team who would steamroll the hapless Colts. Fine. I may just search things out and see if that's what I get.
Agreed, however the QB handles the ball on each offensive play except special teams, so they play a much larger role than anyone else. If Manning would have played a flawless game and they lost, then we wouldn't be having this discussion. Do you honestly feel like he deserves no criticism, especially when he also makes so many decisions on what plays they run?
Hi Jimmy,Actually I'm just saying what I said. The Steelers are a VERY solid and complete football team.
Hi Joe,I think the Steelers are a very solid and complete football team. I also think that the team with home field faces a very solid and complete football team that makes the playoffs every single year in this round and normally beats that team. That didn't happen this time. We got the atypical result. A big part of that (though certainly not all of it) was the play of one Peyton Manning.
I'd say he deserves some criticism, sure. Could he have played better? Absolutely.I'd just like to think that there are enough good football minds on this board that "Manning choked" wouldn't have to be the dominant topic after a game when he played fairly well and many other players on the Colts performed well below their capabilities.
Actually, the topic is "Why do people hate Peyton Manning?" I will be the first to admit that by my definition, he did not choke. He came close, but he didn't. In fact, I tried to post as much in a thread somebody started called "Poll: Did Peyton Manning choke?", but somebody deleted or merged that thread before I could do so.
Hi Jimmy,Not sure what you mean about the thinking. I've spoken to disagreeing with your assessment that the Steelers were a gimme game. That thinking has nothing whatsoever to do with the play of a player or tearing down the team the player played. It has everything to do with watching what I think is a very formidable Steeler team today.
