Every year we do this (I have been guilty of it too) but we put so much value in the preseason. It always seems during this 4 week period we will all falsely crown the next Jerry Rice and Barry Sanders, and we will all right off the current Frank Gores, and Roddy Whites. We always seem to forget that 4 years ago the Lions went 4 - 0 in the preseason and then went 0 - 16, and if I recall correctly the Colts were well below .500 in the preseason with Peyton Manning but they only failed to make the playoffs once or twice with him.
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Why do we put value in the preseason (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Chazzhawk
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Watch NFL live sometime, you will see all those guys saying how good teams looked in the preseason and they can't believe they flopped in the regular season
duaneok66
Footballguy
I meant rational people.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Are we suppose to put the value in training camps instead?
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
What's your schedule like once you leave the gym?
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Bingo
Banemorth
Footballguy
Preseason isn't about wins/losses it's about looking for those diamonds in the rough. Scoping out the new talent!Blind squirrels and all.
Abspara
Footballguy
This is true. I scooped up Antonio Brown after he exploded last preseason. Im looking for something like this every preseason.
buck naked
Footballguy
All I needed to see last year was Brees completing about 5 passes to Jimmy Graham in the first quarter in a game against Oakland and I knew that guy was going to be a superstar. I'd say that was a true crown. Certain things are decipherable in the preseason. You just have to be discerning.
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buck naked
Footballguy
AMEN Did Luck pass your eyeball test today? Good Lord, yes. That td he threw to Collie was a rifle shot.
gigantor
Footballguy
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
Things you can learn from the preseason - Steve Smith is going to be targetted a lot by the Rams; Austin Collie is going to win people leagues given his ADP right now; Isaac Redman does not look anything special etc
silentcoach
Footballguy
Hmm....maybe. Kendricks and Amendola were targeted pretty much the same 3 (smith) vs 2 vs 2. We need a few more games.
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Got to love the trolls
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Abs and shoulders tomorrow?
Manster
Footballguy
i hear ya. But it's not called the Not For Long league for nothin. The preseason, if taken in context, is a good tool for assessing younger or non-super star guys, or seeing what teams are workin on.
griff321
Footballguy
It's also a great way to evaluate guys behind stars, so that when the inevitable happens you can dominate the waivers.
Hoss Style
Footballguy
I'm sorry, I normally don't like to support sarcastic replys - especially to new guys... but this cracked me up.
Anyway, Chazz - I won't repeat what some other people here have already said. They are right, though. The way I look at it is - It might not help me to watch preseason but it definately won't hurt. You just might spot a guy you like. See some examples listed above.
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Funkley
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Preseason sucks. Anything gleaned from it isnt worth hours and hours of gawd awful football. And lol at all the jr reporters patting themselves on the back a year later for Graham and Cruz. Bet you also guessed on a couple guys that bag groceries now. The thing thats great about fantasy football these days is that you can sleep through preseason and your websites will catch you up in five minutes before the draft.
Hoss Style
Footballguy
I love the guys who don't watch a lick and then spend only 5 minutes on their website before the draft. It sounds like you know a lot about the players and teams already - hence you don't need to watch and only need 5 minutes on your site - but I sure wouldn't recommend that to everyone. That's beside the fact that, you know... it's fun to watch football. At least for me.Preseason sucks. Anything gleaned from it isnt worth hours and hours of gawd awful football. And lol at all the jr reporters patting themselves on the back a year later for Graham and Cruz. Bet you also guessed on a couple guys that bag groceries now. The thing thats great about fantasy football these days is that you can sleep through preseason and your websites will catch you up in five minutes before the draft.
duaneok66
Footballguy
Best sentence of this entire thread.I love the guys who don't watch a lick and then spend only 5 minutes on their website before the draft. It sounds like you know a lot about the players and teams already - hence you don't need to watch and only need 5 minutes on your site - but I sure wouldn't recommend that to everyone. That's beside the fact that, you know... it's fun to watch football. At least for me.Preseason sucks. Anything gleaned from it isnt worth hours and hours of gawd awful football. And lol at all the jr reporters patting themselves on the back a year later for Graham and Cruz. Bet you also guessed on a couple guys that bag groceries now. The thing thats great about fantasy football these days is that you can sleep through preseason and your websites will catch you up in five minutes before the draft.
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Shutout
Footballguy
Pre-season football is precarious at best. You can get fooled into thinking you are seeing something you aren't, like when a player is lights out and then totally disappears when a real game is played (I remember one year where Joey Harrington was like 9 for 9, 170 yards and a TD, then next Pre-season game was 11 for 14, etc. Didn't exactly transpire to real games).
You can also get fooled the other way. You can get a lot of overloaded, over hyped info, and on and on.
Except for the 3rd game, unless you REALLY know what you're doing, its real easy to get washed away in a player playing against very vanilla offenses or defense, teams working on specific things, a first stringer playing against a 2nd stringer, etc.
I kind of watch for trends or for things a team is trying to do philosophically (like someone above mentioned seeing the Saints trpeatedly target their TE..kind of gives you a clue that this is an area they intend to use a lot).
I also watch with interest if I have picked up a rough diamond and I'm loking for that justification of keeping him (usually in a 3rd pre-season game).
Other than that, I watch just because I haven't seen football in a while and I like to watch the rookies and just kill some time.
You can also get fooled the other way. You can get a lot of overloaded, over hyped info, and on and on.
Except for the 3rd game, unless you REALLY know what you're doing, its real easy to get washed away in a player playing against very vanilla offenses or defense, teams working on specific things, a first stringer playing against a 2nd stringer, etc.
I kind of watch for trends or for things a team is trying to do philosophically (like someone above mentioned seeing the Saints trpeatedly target their TE..kind of gives you a clue that this is an area they intend to use a lot).
I also watch with interest if I have picked up a rough diamond and I'm loking for that justification of keeping him (usually in a 3rd pre-season game).
Other than that, I watch just because I haven't seen football in a while and I like to watch the rookies and just kill some time.
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Chase Stuart
Footballguy
This is misleading.There are four possible outcomes when thinking about the pre-season.'buck naked said:
A player can have a great pre-season and then have a great season.
A player can have a bad pre-season and then have a great season.
A player can have a great pre-season and then have a bad season.
A player can have a bad pre-season and then a bad season.
Saying that Graham and Brees lit it up in the preseason, and in the regular season, therefore the pre-season has value, isn't proof of anything. A lot of Spurrier's offensive players had a great pre-season and then a bad season. IIRC, Edgerrin James didn't have a carry in the pre-season before his rookie year and then had a monster year. Peyton Manning had a bad pre-season; Ryan Leaf had a good one.
If you look for diamonds in the rough, you will find Victor Cruz but also David Clowney. But roster spots are finite, and you might drop Cam Newton -- who had a bad pre-season -- to pick up your WR flavor of the week.
Citing one example doesn't help with strategy, especially when we don't discuss the frequency of counter examples. IMO, outside of injuries and benchings, I don't give the pre-season any weight.
Dismattle
Footballguy
I believe theres alot more too it. Theres countless examples of things to be learned (seen) first hand. Teams/Coaches have a record of embelishing somethings, and downplaying others. Theres also human error involved in anything reported to be true. This player struggled in camp, that player reminds me of AD (Show Me!) I would imagine you can tell when a team lets off the gas (not runnin up the score) I have to tell you, Ive been amazed at the two minute offense for yrs. But Ive since learned somethings that explain how/why some play works. (ex. OC can call a specific play that may clue him into how a SS will react in another play) So if a player cant protect the ball, read a block, run a crisp route, it can really start to effect how a game plays out. I imagine it would be easy to say the Lion organization felt wins would help ticket sales. (Season tickets require two PS game tickets, so they may watch em!) But it could have been as simple as Coach sayin things like: Okay its rather obvious you fail to run the route as designed, Im really gonna need too see some serious run-blocking. Its almost possible the entire team was given such instruction in order to make the final 53. ie. Why keep a cover corner who cant tackle, if the Line cant get penetration, or the LB's cant stop a RB.'Chazzhawk said:
Stats actually seem to dictate a correlation realating to Wins in PreSeason to the reg Season. Speakin of Pre-Season loss's check this page out http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/8/10/3233646/chiefs-preseason-history Now they did get a win (vs. AZ) Im pretty sure some believe KC is goin 12-4 this Season. Hawks Cheiefs P3 should be a good game (wk 3 is as real as it gets)!
Its also interesting that you mention Roddy (he was almost written off at the beginning of his career) Now I believe Gore may be 30 yrs old, which has been a telling age for RB's. The facts are some teams have been able to support three 1,000 yd WR's, and I believe ex. Jerome Bettis really brought something to the team at 34.
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duaneok66
Footballguy
excellent post.
I will bite, it is actually therapy for knee surgery I recently had, I am not the most fit person in the world. I would like to get back to work so I can join a few more fantasy leagues. Back to topic. I kind of agree it is football kind of, and we haven't had any in 6 monthes.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
footballnerd
Footballguy
saw MJD his rookie year during preseason, been hooked ever since.
Hoss Style
Footballguy
Exactly! And if your lucky enough that your signifigant other doesn't know squat about football you can tell her in a very loving tone:"You know how much I love football, but it is nothing compared to the love for you. This year I want it to be different so I'm going to sacrafice the first 4 weeks of the season to spend with you on Sundays. This can be like our own little "season" every Sunday for 4 weeks in a row. Here's some flowers to start it off."I've never actually done this - but now that I've typed it out I'm seriously considering it. And then I'll hope to god she never finds out what "preseason" is or when it actually takes place.
Now that is funny =). However when I make a nice comeback in fantasy I want sex shortly after
I watch some preseason games for basically 3 reasons:
1. I watch to see how the rookies look against other NFL players. I work Saturdays so I don't get to watch a whole lot of college ball. Most of what I see of college prospects is during the combine, on highlight shows or you tube videos. Living in the Pacific Northwest doesn't help much, I don't get a lot of exposure to conferences outside of the Pac-12 either. I could write a book on Andrew Luck because I've seen every game he's played, but really have only seen a handfull highlights of Ryan Tannehill and RG3. So its beneficial to me in that respect.
2. I watch to see how the team I root for is shaping up, as far as position battles, new schemes and how new free agents and rookies are fitting in with the team.
3. And I'm just jones'n for some NFL football.
1. I watch to see how the rookies look against other NFL players. I work Saturdays so I don't get to watch a whole lot of college ball. Most of what I see of college prospects is during the combine, on highlight shows or you tube videos. Living in the Pacific Northwest doesn't help much, I don't get a lot of exposure to conferences outside of the Pac-12 either. I could write a book on Andrew Luck because I've seen every game he's played, but really have only seen a handfull highlights of Ryan Tannehill and RG3. So its beneficial to me in that respect.
2. I watch to see how the team I root for is shaping up, as far as position battles, new schemes and how new free agents and rookies are fitting in with the team.
3. And I'm just jones'n for some NFL football.
buck naked
Footballguy
It isn't specifically about the results in the preseason. It is about talent and opportunity. If you missed seeing Graham display his incredible goods in the preseason last year, then I can't help you. My proof is how my year ended in my two biggest FFPC leagues with Graham a 4th rounder in both -$$$$
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Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
That's fine if you play in redraft leagues that have the draft after the preseason is over, but for those of us in serious leagues where players can be picked up all year long, waiting til the end of the preseason to see who the websites say are looking good is too little too late.Preseason sucks. Anything gleaned from it isnt worth hours and hours of gawd awful football. And lol at all the jr reporters patting themselves on the back a year later for Graham and Cruz. Bet you also guessed on a couple guys that bag groceries now. The thing thats great about fantasy football these days is that you can sleep through preseason and your websites will catch you up in five minutes before the draft.
Grateful Parrot
Footballguy
No offense, but there are some redraft leagues that are serious as well. I love preseason just because it's football. I watch mostly for finding out who's in line for a backup job (for handcuff sake or possible injury replacement) I only go to 2 forums, mostly for news and homer viewpoints. I make my own predictions (cause any idiot can do that). One thing I've learned through the years is that you can't predict injuries, so knowing all the handcuffs and potential diamonds can carry a team a long way.
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Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
I suppose some people may take redrafts serious, but the impact of luck in determining the winner in the majority of redraft leagues is simply much too high for most serious players to willingly put money towards.
