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It seems to me that history is on his side with a being a first round pick that is groomed over a year or two. He has 5 legitimate WR/TE targets and a damn good running attack with Grant and Jackson. I'm not saying he won't struggle at all but people like Tom Jackson act like he is going to flat out fail as do most of the other ### clowns on TV. Is this how the board is feeling as well?
I think the former players are showing incredible bias towards Favre. I can't think of a single player who was not on Favre's side in the dispute with the Packers and I have no doubt this has played into their opinion of Rodgers. It's like they are afraid to think Rodgers will be good because that would be a negative to Favre. I think Rodgers will be solid. He was a first round pick, he has had a lot of time to learn the pro game and he was very impressive in limited time against Dallas last year. Of course, nobody knows for sure, but I think he will be a solid QB.
Rivers also seemed to do fine and his situation is the most similar to Rodgers.
On ESPN last night that bias was unbelievable. None of them cared about the future. It took Emmitt late in the broadcast to say they may be building a dynasty because they are the youngest team in the NFL. I've never seen so many relentlessly blast one team for a constant 20 minutes.
Wow, that's the highest praise of Grant/Jackson and the Packers running game I've ever heard!In Rivers first season, Tomlinson and Turner ran for over 2300 yards, added another 555 yards receiving, totaled 33 TD's (LT set the record at 31) on a combined 487 touches.If Rodgers is in a similar situation, I really need to re-adjust my evaluation of the Green Bay backfield.
If the chezheads do this then that just shows their ignorance. Brett is gone, done, end of story, true fans would support the new blood despite any struggles he may or may not have. Frankly I hope people keep bashing him, this way I can get him on the cheap
It seems to me that history is on his side with a being a first round pick that is groomed over a year or two. He has 5 legitimate WR/TE targets and a damn good running attack with Grant and Jackson. I'm not saying he won't struggle at all but people like Tom Jackson act like he is going to flat out fail as do most of the other ### clowns on TV. Is this how the board is feeling as well?
one thing he's shown thru all of this Favre saga, is that he's pretty tough, mentally..he hasn't complained, he hasn't become bitter about them bringing him backfor a day....he's booed at practices, and the fans are yelling 'we want Brett' ..and he's not wavering..he's going about his business and nothing is bothering him.I think that toughness is going to show on the field..he definitely has a lot of talent...I'm hoping for the best for him, he's handled himself extremely well through this situation..
I was comparing the situations regarding sitting for as long as they did before starting. I was not comparing the RBs they had. But I will say that overall, Rodgers has more than enough talent around him to be solid.Wow, that's the highest praise of Grant/Jackson and the Packers running game I've ever heard!In Rivers first season, Tomlinson and Turner ran for over 2300 yards, added another 555 yards receiving, totaled 33 TD's (LT set the record at 31) on a combined 487 touches.If Rodgers is in a similar situation, I really need to re-adjust my evaluation of the Green Bay backfield.
Do you think his performance in the scrimmage had more to do with technique or his mental state in handling this situation for the last month and week or so? That was the first thing I attributed the poor performance to. It's nothing to be seriously worried over because there was still plenty of practice time to work out some bugs. The Packers were smart to get the trade done when they did as now there is more time for him to breathe.
I think most of us understood. The examples given were Brady and Roethlisberger. Neither were handed the job in the preseason of their rookie years like Rivers and Rodgers were, and Brady wasn't anywhere close to a 1st round pick. Neither Brady nor Roethlisberger were given two years of grooming either.I was comparing the situations regarding sitting for as long as they did before starting. I was not comparing the RBs they had. But I will say that overall, Rodgers has more than enough talent around him to be solid.
Sylira21 said:
It's sink or Swim for Rodger.....does he have the testicular fortitude to step up and prove the Packers made the correct decision...because it's one thing stepping in for a Legend who retired and another thing to step in for a Legend who was run out of town........I for one don't think he has "IT"
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Just a little, Young was the NFL MVP already.
Sylira21 said:
I own Rogers in a dynasty, but I'll be the first to admit that I don't like the additional pressure that's been put on the kid this season. An awful lot that goes into the QB position is mental.
I can't even find one thing similar between Boller and Rodgers.
They were both first round QBs out of Cal.This was the similarity I was thinking of, kind of like the "Florida WR thing." I know it is stupid on my part to lump them together like that but that is where my thinking is coming from.I can't even find one thing similar between Boller and Rodgers.
ESPN is a joke. Everyone needs to remember that Mort was Favre's puppet for 2 months. The reason Favre used a national reporter from ESPN, and not anyone local, is so he could control the spin. The guy knows what he is doing. ESPN knew their agreement with Favre was to make him look like the good guy, stroke his ego, etc. and in exchange Mort would continue to get the exclusives. People need to sift through the propaganda to see things for themselves.I think Rodgers will be solid, I don't know if he will be great. I will say that I don't really think anyone is going to give him time to develop. ESPN is going to be all over him every week. Let's all remember Favre was Captain Interception the first 2 years he played. The guy had consecutive 20 int seasons.bcr8f said:On ESPN last night that bias was unbelievable. None of them cared about the future. It took Emmitt late in the broadcast to say they may be building a dynasty because they are the youngest team in the NFL. I've never seen so many relentlessly blast one team for a constant 20 minutes.Anthony Borbely said:Bojang0301 said:It seems to me that history is on his side with a being a first round pick that is groomed over a year or two. He has 5 legitimate WR/TE targets and a damn good running attack with Grant and Jackson. I'm not saying he won't struggle at all but people like Tom Jackson act like he is going to flat out fail as do most of the other ### clowns on TV. Is this how the board is feeling as well?
Your other points are fine, but this one isn't - tons of players slip in the draft, many of whom turn into great pros - eg Randy Moss.
You make a good point but wasn't Moss due to character concerns while Rodgers was due to skillset concerns?
From the interviews I've seen only the old vets are standing up for Favre. The young players don't bad mouth Favre but have said good things about Rodgers. (Jennings and Jones). I am curious to know where you are getting your information. Regardless of how the media paints it, Favre was not a locker room favorite and I will bet a number of younger players are glad to see him go.Anthony Borbely said:Bojang0301 said:
It seems to me that history is on his side with a being a first round pick that is groomed over a year or two. He has 5 legitimate WR/TE targets and a damn good running attack with Grant and Jackson. I'm not saying he won't struggle at all but people like Tom Jackson act like he is going to flat out fail as do most of the other ### clowns on TV. Is this how the board is feeling as well?I think the former players are showing incredible bias towards Favre. I can't think of a single player who was not on Favre's side in the dispute with the Packers and I have no doubt this has played into their opinion of Rodgers. It's like they are afraid to think Rodgers will be good because that would be a negative to Favre.
I think Rodgers will be solid. He was a first round pick, he has had a lot of time to learn the pro game and he was very impressive in limited time against Dallas last year. Of course, nobody knows for sure, but I think he will be a solid QB.
From what I remember, a main reason he fell was similar to Brady Quinn's fall a few years ago. In the '05 draft, there just weren't that many teams after SF at #1 that had QB as a glaring need that year, and SF chose Alex Smith over Rodgers.I could be mistaken since it was a few years ago, but even at the time, the talk was that if SF passed on Rodgers at 1 he was going to be waiting around awhile.
Sorry, I should have been more specific. When I say former players, I meant former players who are now in the media.From the interviews I've seen only the old vets are standing up for Favre. The young players don't bad mouth Favre but have said good things about Rodgers. (Jennings and Jones). I am curious to know where you are getting your information. Regardless of how the media paints it, Favre was not a locker room favorite and I will bet a number of younger players are glad to see him go.Anthony Borbely said:Bojang0301 said:
It seems to me that history is on his side with a being a first round pick that is groomed over a year or two. He has 5 legitimate WR/TE targets and a damn good running attack with Grant and Jackson. I'm not saying he won't struggle at all but people like Tom Jackson act like he is going to flat out fail as do most of the other ### clowns on TV. Is this how the board is feeling as well?I think the former players are showing incredible bias towards Favre. I can't think of a single player who was not on Favre's side in the dispute with the Packers and I have no doubt this has played into their opinion of Rodgers. It's like they are afraid to think Rodgers will be good because that would be a negative to Favre.
I think Rodgers will be solid. He was a first round pick, he has had a lot of time to learn the pro game and he was very impressive in limited time against Dallas last year. Of course, nobody knows for sure, but I think he will be a solid QB.
Huh? He was terrible in Tampa Bay...
bcr8f said:On ESPN last night that bias was unbelievable. None of them cared about the future. It took Emmitt late in the broadcast to say they may be building a dynasty because they are the youngest team in the NFL. I've never seen so many relentlessly blast one team for a constant 20 minutes.Anthony Borbely said:Bojang0301 said:
Chris Mortenson spent a decent percentage of the first half of the Cards-Saints game arguing with Kornheiser over that very subject.That said, ESPN is extremely biased against the Packers' decision and every former player who is now a broadcaster is simply blasting away.They have a point - why build on Aaron Rodgers now when Favre gave them a better chance to win this year? All players are playing under one-year deals anyway. If Rodgers sucks it up, you don't think he'll be tossed aside in a heartbeat this offseason?
As somebody pointed out above:Montana was injured in 1992, and Young replaced him. By the time 1993 rolled around, Young had won the MVP award for '92, and Montana was traded to KC.
That makes sense. The 2008 Brett Favre is a different guy than the 1998 Brett Favre. The new version is not as likeable. If Rodgers succeeds he would be the exception not the rule.Sorry, I should have been more specific. When I say former players, I meant former players who are now in the media.From the interviews I've seen only the old vets are standing up for Favre. The young players don't bad mouth Favre but have said good things about Rodgers. (Jennings and Jones). I am curious to know where you are getting your information. Regardless of how the media paints it, Favre was not a locker room favorite and I will bet a number of younger players are glad to see him go.Anthony Borbely said:Bojang0301 said:
It seems to me that history is on his side with a being a first round pick that is groomed over a year or two. He has 5 legitimate WR/TE targets and a damn good running attack with Grant and Jackson. I'm not saying he won't struggle at all but people like Tom Jackson act like he is going to flat out fail as do most of the other ### clowns on TV. Is this how the board is feeling as well?
I think Rodgers will be solid. He was a first round pick, he has had a lot of time to learn the pro game and he was very impressive in limited time against Dallas last year. Of course, nobody knows for sure, but I think he will be a solid QB.
Boller worked with Tedford for one year. Rodgers was under Tedford for two. It might be that Tedford is such an incredibly powerful molder of minds that no other coaching that anyone ever receives in their entire lifetime matters; anyone who Tedford coached is therefore doomed to failure. And Marshawn Lynch looks like JJ Arrington. (Well, not to anyone who saw both of them play...)
Worst in the league? He had one pass over 30 yards and was 50% from 21-30. Geez. So you don't know what reasons there were but figure they had to be good ones?
You may want to relook at Favre's stats. His first season he threw 13 INTs with 471 attempts. His second year he threw 24 INTs with 522 attempts and this third year he threw 14 INTs with 582 attempts. He followed that season with two straight season of throwing 13 INTs.Let's all remember Favre was Captain Interception the first 2 years he played. The guy had consecutive 20 int seasons.bcr8f said:On ESPN last night that bias was unbelievable. None of them cared about the future. It took Emmitt late in the broadcast to say they may be building a dynasty because they are the youngest team in the NFL. I've never seen so many relentlessly blast one team for a constant 20 minutes.Anthony Borbely said::whoosh: I think the former players are showing incredible bias towards Favre. I can't think of a single player who was not on Favre's side in the dispute with the Packers and I have no doubt this has played into their opinion of Rodgers. It's like they are afraid to think Rodgers will be good because that would be a negative to Favre. I think Rodgers will be solid. He was a first round pick, he has had a lot of time to learn the pro game and he was very impressive in limited time against Dallas last year. Of course, nobody knows for sure, but I think he will be a solid QB.Bojang0301 said:
I agree. That is the reason that I think he will struggle - is my thought process flawed? YES, but that is the reason in the back of my mind that I have my doubts. Just being honest.
Freak injuries? That doesn't stop people from saying the same thing about Adrian Peterson. Based on his limited NFL playing time and the injuries he's suffered, I don't see the trend stopping. Couple that with the learning curve he's going to be dealing being in control of the offense for the first time under live fire scenarios, I don't think it's out of this realm to say that he is going to have trouble protecting himself early, and will wind up hurt. I apologize if you are offended by my comment, I do not feel it was stupid as it was on topic to the question being asked: Why do I feel Aaron Rodgers is going to struggle? Injuries. Do you believe the Packers will be so lucky as to start two ironmen QB's one right after the other?Dusty Rhodes said:
Yeah I am not impressed by the list of failed QB's that worked under Tedford either.
You are so incredibly ignorant it's not funny. So this is why you see this trend continuing? 
If you care to enlighten me of my ignorance, I'd appreciate it. Otherwise you can feel free to not argue with my point and write me off as whatever you want. Makes no nevermind to meYou are so incredibly ignorant it's not funny. So this is why you see this trend continuing?
I could accept that he has a horrible OL or a horrible running game, but oooops, he doesn't. Plus he's much more mobile than Favre.
Keep up with these comments though, they make me laugh.
This bitterness must be because the Packers still have the best QB in the Division.
By the way, your running game was horrible thru half the season last year. Now you're starting Grant and are going to see an entire different ball game until either gets established on their own to prove they are a viable threat without Favre under center.
Other than his one year with Smith, which rookie QBs would you be referring to? Add to that the small, insignificant fact that Rodgers is, in fact, NOT a rookie, and the above is a rather unfortunate post.
Your first post in here:If you care to enlighten me of my ignorance, I'd appreciate it. Otherwise you can feel free to not argue with my point and write me off as whatever you want. Makes no nevermind to me
I could accept that he has a horrible OL or a horrible running game, but oooops, he doesn't. Plus he's much more mobile than Favre.
Keep up with these comments though, they make me laugh.
This bitterness must be because the Packers still have the best QB in the Division.
That's like the people that are saying he's going to be great because of the Dallas game. Neither that game or his 2 freak injuries mean anything.He played 4 years at Cal and was never injured, but people overlook that. Well the Packer bashers do like yourself.ScottyFargo said:
Who is everyone? A few random anonymous internet posters? Talking heads on TV?The staff from this site have him ranked #16 on average. Is that struggling?
I can't speak for him, but he probably meant ESPN. When they make a big deal out of something people typically fully suit, hence the If Favre is the better QB now why not keep him for another year over Rodgers chatter. We heard a lot of that last night during the Saints/Cardinals game.I personally think it's silly. The Packers moved on after Favre retired. They drafted 2 other QB's, told their 1st rounder that he'd be the starter and was going in with that mentality. The Packers want to see what they have in Rodgers, who may be the QB for this team for the next decade.
