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to be quite honest I've lost a lot of respect for the football views of this site simply from reading Joe's posts in the Favre threads...For whatever reason he is completely biased against the Packers, and honestly I have no clue why...
Because you are completely biased in your support of the Packers. Anyone that thinks the Packers have shown no disrespect to Favre truely has no clue.
They offered him the started spot at least twice...And then when Favre showed up to training camp, not getting his reinstatement papers in early enough to show up on day 1, they told him he could come in and compete for the starting job...He didn't want any of that...The only way the Packers could have kept Favre is if they had hired Mariuchi and signed Moss... that's it... and I don't think either of those things were ever real possibilities...Because you are completely biased in your support of the Packers. Anyone that thinks the Packers have shown no disrespect to Favre truely has no clue.For whatever reason he is completely biased against the Packers, and honestly I have no clue why...
He didn't want any of that because he was told in that lenghty meeting with McCarthy that he wasn't wanted back. Mariucci was on the Herd today and stated that Brett was excited when he left for GB because he was told he could compete for the starting job. Then he had the meeting with McCarthy where they had to finally spell it out to Brett that he wasn't wanted back. This isn't hard to understand.They offered him the started spot at least twice...And then when Favre showed up to training camp, not getting his reinstatement papers in early enough to show up on day 1, they told him he could come in and compete for the starting job...He didn't want any of that...The only way the Packers could have kept Favre is if they had hired Mariuchi and signed Moss... that's it... and I don't think either of those things were ever real possibilities...Because you are completely biased in your support of the Packers. Anyone that thinks the Packers have shown no disrespect to Favre truely has no clue.
and when did that meeting take place?that's right, 2 days before the preseason started after training camp was essentially over...Sorry, if Favre wanted back in Green Bay, he should have come back to Green Bay instead of ##### to the media about wanting to go to Minnesota...Favre burned the bridges in Green Bay, Green Bay just has management with enough balls to tell him what he did...He didn't want any of that because he was told in him lenghty meeting with McCarthy that he wasn't wanted back. Mariucci was on the Herd today and stated that Brett was excited when he left for GB because he was told he could compete for the starting job. Then he had the meeting with McCarthy where they had to finally spell it out to Brett that he wasn't wanted back. This isn't hard to understand.They offered him the started spot at least twice...And then when Favre showed up to training camp, not getting his reinstatement papers in early enough to show up on day 1, they told him he could come in and compete for the starting job...He didn't want any of that...The only way the Packers could have kept Favre is if they had hired Mariuchi and signed Moss... that's it... and I don't think either of those things were ever real possibilities...Because you are completely biased in your support of the Packers. Anyone that thinks the Packers have shown no disrespect to Favre truely has no clue.
What are you talking about? It has been reported a lot that the Packers made the decision to move on without Favre well before he retired. Please get some grasp of reality here.The only way the Packers could have kept Favre is if they had hired Mariuchi and signed Moss... that's it... and I don't think either of those things were ever real possibilities...Because you are completely biased in your support of the Packers. Anyone that thinks the Packers have shown no disrespect to Favre truely has no clue.
At the risk of slightly de-railing this Aaron Rodgers thread...I don't think the Packers are blameless but ultimately football is a business. It happens all the time - new GM's and new coaches come in and they want to change things and start putting their own stamp on the team. Thompson could have been a "Favre-puppet" and made all the decisions that would make Brett happy. And if at the end of the day everything fell apart who do you think would take the fall? Not Favre... I'm sure he would have let Thompson take the bullet with no hesitation. So I don't blame Thompson for making his own personel decisions - regardless how unpopular they were with Favre. And so far most of what he's done has made positive changes to the Packers, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.So I'll get this back to Rodgers... I'm willing to trust that if Thompson and McCarthy see some potential in Aaron Rodgers that it's time to move on and see what life-after-Brett is going to be like in Green Bay.
So telling Favre he could compete for the starting job and then telling him when he arrived that he wasn't wanted was not disrespectful? Larry please understand that the Packers burned bridges too and they truely didn't want Favre back. That seems to be understood by almost everyone at this point.and when did that meeting take place?that's right, 2 days before the preseason started after training camp was essentially over...Sorry, if Favre wanted back in Green Bay, he should have come back to Green Bay instead of ##### to the media about wanting to go to Minnesota...Favre burned the bridges in Green Bay, Green Bay just has management with enough balls to tell him what he did...He didn't want any of that because he was told in him lenghty meeting with McCarthy that he wasn't wanted back. Mariucci was on the Herd today and stated that Brett was excited when he left for GB because he was told he could compete for the starting job. Then he had the meeting with McCarthy where they had to finally spell it out to Brett that he wasn't wanted back. This isn't hard to understand.They offered him the started spot at least twice...And then when Favre showed up to training camp, not getting his reinstatement papers in early enough to show up on day 1, they told him he could come in and compete for the starting job...He didn't want any of that...The only way the Packers could have kept Favre is if they had hired Mariuchi and signed Moss... that's it... and I don't think either of those things were ever real possibilities...Because you are completely biased in your support of the Packers. Anyone that thinks the Packers have shown no disrespect to Favre truely has no clue.
reported by who?ESPN?Green Bay wanted Favre back, but they wanted Favre back only if he actually wanted to come back and play for us...He retired from Green Bay and immediately (according to his puppets at ESPN) started calling teams asking about trades... Before he even suggested playing another year in Green Bay to anyone in Green Bay...The Packers decision wasn't made until Favre retired. And even then they would have welcomed him back...What are you talking about? It has been reported a lot that the Packers made the decision to move on without Favre well before he retired. Please get some grasp of reality here.The only way the Packers could have kept Favre is if they had hired Mariuchi and signed Moss... that's it... and I don't think either of those things were ever real possibilities...Because you are completely biased in your support of the Packers. Anyone that thinks the Packers have shown no disrespect to Favre truely has no clue.For whatever reason he is completely biased against the Packers, and honestly I have no clue why...
after all the crap Favre pulled... of course they didn't want him back.The Packers didn't respond right at every point in this, but Favre acted wrong at every single point in this whole saga. That's the difference.The Packers weren't perfect, but Favre did not do the right thing one time this entire off-season.So telling Favre he could compete for the starting job and then telling him when he arrived that he wasn't wanted was not disrespectful? Larry please understand that the Packers burned bridges too and they truely didn't want Favre back. That seems to be understood by almost everyone at this point.and when did that meeting take place?that's right, 2 days before the preseason started after training camp was essentially over...Sorry, if Favre wanted back in Green Bay, he should have come back to Green Bay instead of ##### to the media about wanting to go to Minnesota...Favre burned the bridges in Green Bay, Green Bay just has management with enough balls to tell him what he did...He didn't want any of that because he was told in him lenghty meeting with McCarthy that he wasn't wanted back. Mariucci was on the Herd today and stated that Brett was excited when he left for GB because he was told he could compete for the starting job. Then he had the meeting with McCarthy where they had to finally spell it out to Brett that he wasn't wanted back. This isn't hard to understand.They offered him the started spot at least twice...And then when Favre showed up to training camp, not getting his reinstatement papers in early enough to show up on day 1, they told him he could come in and compete for the starting job...He didn't want any of that...The only way the Packers could have kept Favre is if they had hired Mariuchi and signed Moss... that's it... and I don't think either of those things were ever real possibilities...Because you are completely biased in your support of the Packers. Anyone that thinks the Packers have shown no disrespect to Favre truely has no clue.
I don't disagree about the pregame show, but I think the Jets have a solid chance at a wild card. Even before getting Favre they had made several moves in the offseason to try to improve. I realize the jury's out, and the AFC is tough, but I think they have a shot at a 5/6 seed.joffer said:
I guess it boils down to whose version of the story you believe. I seem to recall in the Mike McCarthy press conference McCarthy specifically said he asked Favre if he was 100% committed to being the QB of the Packers and it was Favre who hesitated and said he felt like there were too many hard feelings for him to feel welcome in Green Bay. That to me sounds like McCarthy was ready to give Brett his job back if only Brett could say he was 100% committed - and Brett couldn't do that.Ultimately we'll probably NEVER know the truth. Both sides are trying to do damage control and make themselves out to be blameless. Personally, I lean toward believing the Packers more than Favre - not sure why, I just do. But I've been a Packers fan for over 35 years... QB's come and go (even HoF MVP QB's...) I'm sticking with my Team.He didn't want any of that because he was told in that lenghty meeting with McCarthy that he wasn't wanted back. Mariucci was on the Herd today and stated that Brett was excited when he left for GB because he was told he could compete for the starting job. Then he had the meeting with McCarthy where they had to finally spell it out to Brett that he wasn't wanted back. This isn't hard to understand.They offered him the started spot at least twice...And then when Favre showed up to training camp, not getting his reinstatement papers in early enough to show up on day 1, they told him he could come in and compete for the starting job...He didn't want any of that...The only way the Packers could have kept Favre is if they had hired Mariuchi and signed Moss... that's it... and I don't think either of those things were ever real possibilities...Because you are completely biased in your support of the Packers. Anyone that thinks the Packers have shown no disrespect to Favre truely has no clue.
So what, that is every employers right. Did you know Joe Namath finished his career in LA, Johnny U's last year was in SD and Joe Montana ended out in KC. Get over it, Favre got all the respect he deserved and just as much as he gave out. Move on!So telling Favre he could compete for the starting job and then telling him when he arrived that he wasn't wanted was not disrespectful? Larry please understand that the Packers burned bridges too and they truely didn't want Favre back. That seems to be understood by almost everyone at this point.and when did that meeting take place?that's right, 2 days before the preseason started after training camp was essentially over...He didn't want any of that because he was told in him lenghty meeting with McCarthy that he wasn't wanted back. Mariucci was on the Herd today and stated that Brett was excited when he left for GB because he was told he could compete for the starting job. Then he had the meeting with McCarthy where they had to finally spell it out to Brett that he wasn't wanted back. This isn't hard to understand.They offered him the started spot at least twice...And then when Favre showed up to training camp, not getting his reinstatement papers in early enough to show up on day 1, they told him he could come in and compete for the starting job...Because you are completely biased in your support of the Packers. Anyone that thinks the Packers have shown no disrespect to Favre truely has no clue.
He didn't want any of that...
The only way the Packers could have kept Favre is if they had hired Mariuchi and signed Moss... that's it... and I don't think either of those things were ever real possibilities...
Sorry, if Favre wanted back in Green Bay, he should have come back to Green Bay instead of ##### to the media about wanting to go to Minnesota...
Favre burned the bridges in Green Bay, Green Bay just has management with enough balls to tell him what he did...
That is every employers right. Some of the TT supporters want to pass all the blame on Favre as the reason he isn't back and that isn't close to the truth. The truth is that TT didn't want Favre to return months before Favre retired. I just hope that decision to run Favre out of town doesn't blow up on Thompson and McCarthy. I think the Pro-TT crowd is worried about his and that is why they are so blind in their support.So what, that is every employers right. Did you know Joe Namath finished his career in LA, Johnny U's last year was in SD and Joe Montana ended out in KC. Get over it, Favre got all the respect he deserved and just as much as he gave out. Move on!So telling Favre he could compete for the starting job and then telling him when he arrived that he wasn't wanted was not disrespectful? Larry please understand that the Packers burned bridges too and they truely didn't want Favre back. That seems to be understood by almost everyone at this point.and when did that meeting take place?that's right, 2 days before the preseason started after training camp was essentially over...He didn't want any of that because he was told in him lenghty meeting with McCarthy that he wasn't wanted back. Mariucci was on the Herd today and stated that Brett was excited when he left for GB because he was told he could compete for the starting job. Then he had the meeting with McCarthy where they had to finally spell it out to Brett that he wasn't wanted back. This isn't hard to understand.They offered him the started spot at least twice...And then when Favre showed up to training camp, not getting his reinstatement papers in early enough to show up on day 1, they told him he could come in and compete for the starting job...Because you are completely biased in your support of the Packers. Anyone that thinks the Packers have shown no disrespect to Favre truely has no clue.
He didn't want any of that...
The only way the Packers could have kept Favre is if they had hired Mariuchi and signed Moss... that's it... and I don't think either of those things were ever real possibilities...
Sorry, if Favre wanted back in Green Bay, he should have come back to Green Bay instead of ##### to the media about wanting to go to Minnesota...
Favre burned the bridges in Green Bay, Green Bay just has management with enough balls to tell him what he did...
Funny...Brett said when he got off the plane in Mississippi that he knew going up there was just a formality.He didn't want any of that because he was told in that lenghty meeting with McCarthy that he wasn't wanted back. Mariucci was on the Herd today and stated that Brett was excited when he left for GB because he was told he could compete for the starting job. Then he had the meeting with McCarthy where they had to finally spell it out to Brett that he wasn't wanted back. This isn't hard to understand.They offered him the started spot at least twice...And then when Favre showed up to training camp, not getting his reinstatement papers in early enough to show up on day 1, they told him he could come in and compete for the starting job...He didn't want any of that...The only way the Packers could have kept Favre is if they had hired Mariuchi and signed Moss... that's it... and I don't think either of those things were ever real possibilities...Because you are completely biased in your support of the Packers. Anyone that thinks the Packers have shown no disrespect to Favre truely has no clue.
That's why Favre retired without any pressure and then started calling other teams about trades without even telling the Packers about it, right?
Thanks for that. My take on the reason Favre hesitated about committing to the Packers during that final meeting with McCarthy was that Favre was so beat down from the 5-6 hour meeting the night before that he finally got the message from McCarthy that he wasn't wanted back.I'm a Packer fan and I hope this works out. I'm just worried that they made the wrong decision and it may cost them their jobs. I hope I am wrong.I guess it boils down to whose version of the story you believe. I seem to recall in the Mike McCarthy press conference McCarthy specifically said he asked Favre if he was 100% committed to being the QB of the Packers and it was Favre who hesitated and said he felt like there were too many hard feelings for him to feel welcome in Green Bay. That to me sounds like McCarthy was ready to give Brett his job back if only Brett could say he was 100% committed - and Brett couldn't do that.Ultimately we'll probably NEVER know the truth. Both sides are trying to do damage control and make themselves out to be blameless. Personally, I lean toward believing the Packers more than Favre - not sure why, I just do. But I've been a Packers fan for over 35 years... QB's come and go (even HoF MVP QB's...) I'm sticking with my Team.He didn't want any of that because he was told in that lenghty meeting with McCarthy that he wasn't wanted back. Mariucci was on the Herd today and stated that Brett was excited when he left for GB because he was told he could compete for the starting job. Then he had the meeting with McCarthy where they had to finally spell it out to Brett that he wasn't wanted back. This isn't hard to understand.They offered him the started spot at least twice...And then when Favre showed up to training camp, not getting his reinstatement papers in early enough to show up on day 1, they told him he could come in and compete for the starting job...He didn't want any of that...The only way the Packers could have kept Favre is if they had hired Mariuchi and signed Moss... that's it... and I don't think either of those things were ever real possibilities...Because you are completely biased in your support of the Packers. Anyone that thinks the Packers have shown no disrespect to Favre truely has no clue.
Not to really side too much with Larry...but..Those reports also stated they would have taken him back had he not retired.They would have taken him back up to a certain point IMO.If you believe the stories that he contacted them several times about coming back but would never commit to it...I think they decided it was over.
I think you are exaggerating a bit...I don't recall them ever actually saying...we don't want you.
I'd love to know where you're getting this kind of inside information. You feel confident enough to say that this is the "truth"!I think the "reality" might be that, yes, Thompson has been anxious to start rebuilding at the Quarterback position, but he's been willing to wait long enough to allow Favre to play out his career and leave on his own terms. Sure, Thompson didn't waste any time moving on, but let's be fair - Favre gave his tearful retirement speach and rode off into the sunset. Told Thompson and McCarthy TWICE he wasn't interested in un-retiring. And the Packers moved on. Period.
1. Favre did retire under pressure to make a decision in a timely manner.2. It is well know the Packers didn't do much to persuade Favre to return(which we now know makes sense since the organization decided well before that they didn't want him back).3. Favre finally started to realize that they may not want him back.4. I'd like to know what teams he called other the the Vikings? Larry, you really need to wake up.
It’s time to goPackers finally tell Favre that he’s not wanted
1. Yeah, they told him they couldn't wait forever because they only had one other QB on the roster. If they needed more QBs, they needed to get on that, and what kind of other QBs they needed to get was dependant on Favre. It is perfectly reasonable to ask someone to decide whether they are coming back or not before the draft. Giving Favre the chance to Barry Sanders us is NOT something that they should have ever allowed him to do...2. So? They shouldn't have begged. If Favre was done, he was done. If he needed to be begged to return in order to return, then he should have stayed retired.3. They wanted him back until July.4. ESPN reported (yesterday) that Favre called teams about trades in early April before he said anything to the Packers about returning. They didn't name the source that said that he did this, but since they have been reporting 100% straight from Favre for the past 4 months, I'm going to assume it was someone in FAvre's camp who fed them that info...You need to wake up. You also need to quit calling yourself a Packer fan.
When did they want him back in July? You just told me to stop watching ESPN yet you know use them as a source. Favre knew darn well he wasn't wanted in Green Bay.I can be a Packer fan and question this decision instead of having your head so far up TTs rear end that causes you not to think straight.Good luck.
ESPN = a good source for what Brett did since all they've done for 4 months is parrot every word Brett wanted them to. (see: pregame show last night)The Packers were sending a jet to Mississippi to pick Favre upa nd announce him as the starter, remember?But, you know what the most telling thing is?That not one person who is actually on the team has a problem with what happened.
Did you read your own article? It supports exactly what I was saying:Yes... Thompson has been anxious to move on - but as long as Favre wanted the job TT was willing to wait it out until Favre left on his own terms. Favre left and TT took his opportunity to begin the rebuilding. They even gave Favre chances to un-retire and he told them he wasn't interested.
Link? Didn't Favre state that the Packers were not completely truthful about that?
1. Correct, they asked for a decision. Not under pressure to actually retire though.2. It is well known that McCarthy talked to him often as Ted made him the point man on it...Ted let Favre be a man and make his decision. This is proof that Brett wanted some sort of coddling or affirmation of how good he was. 3. I guess he realized that after he tried to tell them he wanted to come back several times only to balk on that...then finally decided to come back in late June.4. Bus Cook supposedly called some teams back in April.
Yes...he claimed it.Sorry, I don't have a link to the flight log...but Glazer reported it along with some other people reporting it. He claimed the source was very solid and had seen the documentation. Including the press release to welcome him back in March.
Pardon me for having my own opinion. There is no reason to be rude, basically call me stupid and roll your eyes. This board is trying to get rid of all the insults being thrown at members, try and respect the environment that Joe and David are trying to build.Worst in the league? He had one pass over 30 yards and was 50% from 21-30. Geez. So you don't know what reasons there were but figure they had to be good ones?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/splits?playerId=8439
Wow. I'm sorry you took my question that way. I didn't think I was attacking you. Seriously. I was disagreeing with you. I don't see "everyone" thinking he is going to struggle. In fact, I see most people thinking he'll do fine.
If you listed the pros like you did the cons, it wouldn't be such a con-dominated post...I added one I thought was relevant. Also, there were/are plenty of bust picks just as there are guys that fall a bit in the first round, IMO.
A. Seems you posted it as a fact, not an opinion. Stating someone is a certain percentage on passes is not just an opinion.B. You certainly are not immune to calling what other people said stupid, so please don't act innocent in this.Pardon me for having my own opinion. There is no reason to be rude, basically call me stupid and roll your eyes. This board is trying to get rid of all the insults being thrown at members, try and respect the environment that Joe and David are trying to build.Worst in the league? He had one pass over 30 yards and was 50% from 21-30. Geez. So you don't know what reasons there were but figure they had to be good ones?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/splits?playerId=8439
Schlerith(sp), Shaun King and Trey Wingo spoke on these stats so if you have a problem with the way they read stats, I think your problem is with ESPN, not Chachi the FBG member. I'm sure you'll ask for a link, maybe another member can recall this from NFL live from either Wednesday, Thursday or Friday, pretty sure it was sometime after the Favre trade but not 100% sure. Please do not talk to me about acting innocent, you can go through my posts the last few days and I have been 100% nice ever since gianmarcos post about treating people nicely. I would appreciate it (seriously) if you would not respond to my posts as it's always argumentative and frankly you have been rude to me on too many occassions, so please let's not respond to eachothers posts because it makes it hard to turn over the new leaf. Thanks for your understanding.A. Seems you posted it as a fact, not an opinion. Stating someone is a certain percentage on passes is not just an opinion.B. You certainly are not immune to calling what other people said stupid, so please don't act innocent in this.Pardon me for having my own opinion. There is no reason to be rude, basically call me stupid and roll your eyes. This board is trying to get rid of all the insults being thrown at members, try and respect the environment that Joe and David are trying to build.Worst in the league? He had one pass over 30 yards and was 50% from 21-30. Geez. So you don't know what reasons there were but figure they had to be good ones?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/splits?playerId=8439
He rolled his eyes because your point was a bit out there given the stats.
bolded the problem with the stats...ESPN is pro-Favre anti-Packers 24/7 and has been for months now...
When Favre started playing for the Packers they were not a Super Bowl caliber team. He could take time to develop and it wasn't as crucial. Rodgers is being handed the keys to a possible Super Bowl team. If he takes two more years to develop there is no telling what the team will be like when he starts to get it. He and Thompson will get crucified if he struggles this year.ESPN is a joke. Everyone needs to remember that Mort was Favre's puppet for 2 months. The reason Favre used a national reporter from ESPN, and not anyone local, is so he could control the spin. The guy knows what he is doing. ESPN knew their agreement with Favre was to make him look like the good guy, stroke his ego, etc. and in exchange Mort would continue to get the exclusives. People need to sift through the propaganda to see things for themselves.I think Rodgers will be solid, I don't know if he will be great. I will say that I don't really think anyone is going to give him time to develop. ESPN is going to be all over him every week. Let's all remember Favre was Captain Interception the first 2 years he played. The guy had consecutive 20 int seasons.On ESPN last night that bias was unbelievable. None of them cared about the future. It took Emmitt late in the broadcast to say they may be building a dynasty because they are the youngest team in the NFL. I've never seen so many relentlessly blast one team for a constant 20 minutes.It seems to me that history is on his side with a being a first round pick that is groomed over a year or two. He has 5 legitimate WR/TE targets and a damn good running attack with Grant and Jackson. I'm not saying he won't struggle at all but people like Tom Jackson act like he is going to flat out fail as do most of the other ### clowns on TV. Is this how the board is feeling as well?
Here are the things that I heard on the Dan Patrick show that I thought were very interesting. Farve showed up and wanted to go on the field to watch the Family Scrimmage. He was barred from going on to the field. Then he wanted to watch from a skybox suite. He was barred from doing that too. Favre drove up to the stadium on a street named after him, and was barred from walking on the field. He was told to come back on Tuesday for practice.The Packers traded Favre without his say. He was on the phone with his family. He was debating where to go. The Packers called him and told him that he was traded to the Jets. The Jets were worried that he wouldn't accept the trade. They called him and talked him into coming to New York. The other thing is that the Vikings weren't really all that interested in Favre coming to the team. They are very happy with their QBs. I don't know if Favre had been released if they would have pursued him, but they are happy with the QBs they have. Or that is the information that Patrick had.What I feel is that the Packers organization basically lied throughout this whole thing. I think they demonstrated themselves to be a totally classless organization. I believe the way they treated Favre was despicable. I think they destroyed a lot of credibility they may have had in their own locker room and around the NFL. When veteran Packer players look at how the Packers organization treated Favre they have to wonder how they will be treated if they go up against the FO. Free agents ought to think twice before they go there. If they would treat Favre like they have why would you go there?I guess it boils down to whose version of the story you believe. I seem to recall in the Mike McCarthy press conference McCarthy specifically said he asked Favre if he was 100% committed to being the QB of the Packers and it was Favre who hesitated and said he felt like there were too many hard feelings for him to feel welcome in Green Bay. That to me sounds like McCarthy was ready to give Brett his job back if only Brett could say he was 100% committed - and Brett couldn't do that.Ultimately we'll probably NEVER know the truth. Both sides are trying to do damage control and make themselves out to be blameless. Personally, I lean toward believing the Packers more than Favre - not sure why, I just do. But I've been a Packers fan for over 35 years... QB's come and go (even HoF MVP QB's...) I'm sticking with my Team.He didn't want any of that because he was told in that lenghty meeting with McCarthy that he wasn't wanted back. Mariucci was on the Herd today and stated that Brett was excited when he left for GB because he was told he could compete for the starting job. Then he had the meeting with McCarthy where they had to finally spell it out to Brett that he wasn't wanted back. This isn't hard to understand.They offered him the started spot at least twice...And then when Favre showed up to training camp, not getting his reinstatement papers in early enough to show up on day 1, they told him he could come in and compete for the starting job...He didn't want any of that...The only way the Packers could have kept Favre is if they had hired Mariuchi and signed Moss... that's it... and I don't think either of those things were ever real possibilities...Because you are completely biased in your support of the Packers. Anyone that thinks the Packers have shown no disrespect to Favre truely has no clue.For whatever reason he is completely biased against the Packers, and honestly I have no clue why...
And I heard that he watched the Family Scrimmage from the stands with his wife - by choice. That he didn't expect to play in the game at all since he'd arrived at camp so late. So I guess it depends whose version of "the truth" you're buying on what day.
So what? The Packers had the rights to Favre and could arrange a trade with any team they wanted. Favre had an out in his contract to veto any trade if he wanted - so if he was dead set against the Jets trade he didn't have to agree to it.
I've heard this as well, and this I believe - I did hear a statement from the Vikings to this effect.
And you think Favre was 100% truthful throughout the whole ordeal? There's blood on everyone's hands, and plenty on Favre's.I agree with the poster above - we've de-railed this Aaron Rodgers thread far enough with "Favre talk". I for one am anxious to see how Rodgers will do in his first full season as a starter. I think plenty of other young quarterbacks have been thrown in the fire under just as much pressure as Rodgers and they've performed quite well and developed into very good QB's. Rodgers certainly has as good a shot as any of them.
So how would it be better to let Favre play one more year...only to give it to Rodgers next year? Or Brohm 2 years from now when both Rodgers and Favre are gone.Like I said...had they brought Favre back...a SB is the only thing that makes it not a failure IMO. Why else would you bring him back?When Favre started playing for the Packers they were not a Super Bowl caliber team. He could take time to develop and it wasn't as crucial. Rodgers is being handed the keys to a possible Super Bowl team. If he takes two more years to develop there is no telling what the team will be like when he starts to get it. He and Thompson will get crucified if he struggles this year.ESPN is a joke. Everyone needs to remember that Mort was Favre's puppet for 2 months. The reason Favre used a national reporter from ESPN, and not anyone local, is so he could control the spin. The guy knows what he is doing. ESPN knew their agreement with Favre was to make him look like the good guy, stroke his ego, etc. and in exchange Mort would continue to get the exclusives. People need to sift through the propaganda to see things for themselves.I think Rodgers will be solid, I don't know if he will be great. I will say that I don't really think anyone is going to give him time to develop. ESPN is going to be all over him every week. Let's all remember Favre was Captain Interception the first 2 years he played. The guy had consecutive 20 int seasons.On ESPN last night that bias was unbelievable. None of them cared about the future. It took Emmitt late in the broadcast to say they may be building a dynasty because they are the youngest team in the NFL. I've never seen so many relentlessly blast one team for a constant 20 minutes.
He was not an active member of the team yet...his reinstatement was not official. Why would they let him on the field. For a guy who claims to not want to cause a distraction, what does he think that would have done? It was bad enough he decided to come in for the scrimmage (and it was reported he actually did go up in the box but was not on camera...Deanna was seen up there). The night of that scrimmage was made all about him, rather than about the team.
That is part of the story, the other is the part where Favre's people were negotiating the deals. He had agreed to go to either place (apparently). NY gave the better offer, so he was traded there.
Lied on what? Please inform me.I think they showed they would not be bullied by a 38 year old QB no matter what his status was. That they would not coddle him and allow his waffling to affect this season or seasons to come.I think the way he treated the situation was piss poor. Claiming to not want to cause a distraction, then acting in a way to cause the most distraction possible. 3 weeks ago, they said he could talk to Tampa and NY...but he refused. I guess the veterans will know you can't retire, try to unretire several times only to waffle and say no...then try and come back right before camp after the team has moved on.
I think there has already been plenty said on it in other threads.In the end, the decision the Packers made was the correct one. It may not have come in the best way for them or Favre as far as how each handled things...but it turned out to be the best thing for the team.
