Why FBGs so down on Mark Ingram Week One? (1 Viewer)

[Raiderfan32904]

Been targeting Ingram in my drafts based on a lot on the hype train in the SP and in the FBG articles. Drafted as my RB #2 so I was really excited to get him and sighed a deep breath of relief. "got him - suckers!".

But now week #1, and if you listen to the FBG staff, he's all but unstartable. I should start Fred Jackson over him, even Pierre Thomas is a better start according to Bloom. I was really looking forward to playing my shiny new toy, and FBG's throw a cloud of doubt over what I thought was a no-brainer decision. I guess I have to roll with Ced Benson now???

 

[lsutigers]

Been targeting Ingram in my drafts based on a lot on the hype train in the SP and in the FBG articles. Drafted as my RB #2 so I was really excited to get him and sighed a deep breath of relief. "got him - suckers!".But now week #1, and if you listen to the FBG staff, he's all but unstartable. I should start Fred Jackson over him, even Pierre Thomas is a better start according to Bloom. I was really looking forward to playing my shiny new toy, and FBG's throw a cloud of doubt over what I thought was a no-brainer decision. I guess I have to roll with Ced Benson now???

Green Bay had the no. 2 scoring defense last year missing major components. And they are now healthy.Ingram's worth will be mainly based on scoring TD's this year. I was lucky enough to get his as a RB3 in a start 2 RB league and he's soundly on the bench this week.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Moore being possibly out is going to help PT's receptions. All the word out of NO is that Ingram's role will grow as the year goes on. And yes, there's GB's defensive strength. Uncertainty around the exact split this week means Ingram is a bench candidate just to protect your team. He is worth the hype and the early pick. No RB outside of the top 10 except Hillis has Ingram's ceiling, he has the talent and then some to hit it, and that's why the hype was created.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Thanks for the explanation Bloom. I noticed a lot of people souring on him after that poor performance against the Raiders. He's got some catching ability too, and I was impressed by his burst and power on that catch he had that almost went for a touchdown. That looked like NFL stud ability to me. I guess I'll just wait and see.

 

[sho nuff]

Been targeting Ingram in my drafts based on a lot on the hype train in the SP and in the FBG articles. Drafted as my RB #2 so I was really excited to get him and sighed a deep breath of relief. "got him - suckers!".But now week #1, and if you listen to the FBG staff, he's all but unstartable. I should start Fred Jackson over him, even Pierre Thomas is a better start according to Bloom. I was really looking forward to playing my shiny new toy, and FBG's throw a cloud of doubt over what I thought was a no-brainer decision. I guess I have to roll with Ced Benson now???

Green Bay had the no. 2 scoring defense last year missing major components. And they are now healthy.Ingram's worth will be mainly based on scoring TD's this year. I was lucky enough to get his as a RB3 in a start 2 RB league and he's soundly on the bench this week.

And while GB gave up yardage on the ground last year (115 yards per game) they surrendered only 6 rushing TDs (3rd in the NFL behind Pitt and Balt who each gave up 5)

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

Moore being possibly out is going to help PT's receptions. All the word out of NO is that Ingram's role will grow as the year goes on. And yes, there's GB's defensive strength. Uncertainty around the exact split this week means Ingram is a bench candidate just to protect your team. He is worth the hype and the early pick. No RB outside of the top 10 except Hillis has Ingram's ceiling, he has the talent and then some to hit it, and that's why the hype was created.

Fair enough but I think most of us who aired on the side of caution and made sure we got Ingram in our draft - for me that meant getting him as a RB2. Not many better options on my bench.

 

[mdlane]

Moore being possibly out is going to help PT's receptions. All the word out of NO is that Ingram's role will grow as the year goes on. And yes, there's GB's defensive strength. Uncertainty around the exact split this week means Ingram is a bench candidate just to protect your team. He is worth the hype and the early pick. No RB outside of the top 10 except Hillis has Ingram's ceiling, he has the talent and then some to hit it, and that's why the hype was created.

Fair enough but I think most of us who aired on the side of caution and made sure we got Ingram in our draft - for me that meant getting him as a RB2. Not many better options on my bench.

You're lucky he is your RB2. Some of the FBG articles were advising Ingram as a RB1! It does seems weird that now we're at the beginning of the season the people who recommended him are presenting him as 2010 Jonathan Stewart. That's the kind of reversal that inspires mass sell offs

 

[gandalas]

I have to choose between Beanie Wells and Ingram as my RB3 in my league in my sig...went with Beanie and the Tasty matchup against CAR, so Ingram will be riding the pine for one week at least.

Not neccesarily a bad thing. If you have a viable alternative, may as well see what he can do before tying your team to him.

 

[shader]

Thanks for the explanation Bloom. I noticed a lot of people souring on him after that poor performance against the Raiders. He's got some catching ability too, and I was impressed by his burst and power on that catch he had that almost went for a touchdown. That looked like NFL stud ability to me. I guess I'll just wait and see.

"poor performance"???

 

[shader]

I don't think Sig or any of the other FBG's have ever shown inconsistency regarding Ingram. From the start it was believed that Ingram would work his way into the dominant role and put up huge numbers.

1,000 yards and 15 td's is my expectation. Unbelievable offense will give him tons of scoring opportunities. His talent will win out in the end.

But Pierre has helped New Orleans to win a super bowl. To think Ingram is going to get 25 carries with Pierre just pitching in 7-8 carries is ridiculous thinking.

That being said, I think we'll see about 15 carries for 70 yards and a TD against Green Bay.

Trust me on one thing though. Ingram has great vision. I know alot of people don't think he has the ability to break long runs, but that's just wrong. He's going to surprise people with his big play ability. He's not a Peyton Hillis type runner.

Payton has to play the game right now to keep his rb's happy. But what most people realize is that once Ingram starts showing his talent, it will be impossible to keep him off the field.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Thanks for the explanation Bloom. I noticed a lot of people souring on him after that poor performance against the Raiders. He's got some catching ability too, and I was impressed by his burst and power on that catch he had that almost went for a touchdown. That looked like NFL stud ability to me. I guess I'll just wait and see.

"poor performance"???

6/7/1 & 2/24 is not inspiring. This was the dress rehearsal for the regular season, and the backup J. Bell had a much better game. I think people expected more from Ingram. He didn't have that polished game like Jahvid Best 3rd preseason game breakout last year. I'm glad he didn't, because his stock would have rosen to the 2nd round and I'd have missed on him. I hope that you are right on Ingram.

 

[Reepicheep]

Been targeting Ingram in my drafts based on a lot on the hype train in the SP and in the FBG articles. Drafted as my RB #2 so I was really excited to get him and sighed a deep breath of relief. "got him - suckers!".But now week #1, and if you listen to the FBG staff, he's all but unstartable. I should start Fred Jackson over him, even Pierre Thomas is a better start according to Bloom. I was really looking forward to playing my shiny new toy, and FBG's throw a cloud of doubt over what I thought was a no-brainer decision. I guess I have to roll with Ced Benson now???

Green Bay had the no. 2 scoring defense last year missing major components. And they are now healthy.Ingram's worth will be mainly based on scoring TD's this year. I was lucky enough to get his as a RB3 in a start 2 RB league and he's soundly on the bench this week.

And while GB gave up yardage on the ground last year (115 yards per game) they surrendered only 6 rushing TDs (3rd in the NFL behind Pitt and Balt who each gave up 5)

Yep, IIRC GB was in the top 3 or so last year in fewest fantasy points allowed to RBs. On paper their run defense is their weakness but like you said it's more yards than TDs, and even with the yards a quick look through the box scores shows over 400 of their rushing yards were given up to non-RB positions. I would not feel very confident starting a RB in a committe situation against GB. With Ingram you're probably looking at 4 or 5 points unless he scores.

 

[overkill94]

I drafted him as my RB3 but am sitting him for Hightower this week. Like others, I drafted him based on his ability but would like to see how things play out in a game first.

 

[Funkley]

Predictions are fun but 15 td's for Ingram is out of touch with reality.

 

[Exit 1]

Been targeting Ingram in my drafts based on a lot on the hype train in the SP and in the FBG articles. Drafted as my RB #2 so I was really excited to get him and sighed a deep breath of relief. "got him - suckers!".But now week #1, and if you listen to the FBG staff, he's all but unstartable. I should start Fred Jackson over him, even Pierre Thomas is a better start according to Bloom. I was really looking forward to playing my shiny new toy, and FBG's throw a cloud of doubt over what I thought was a no-brainer decision. I guess I have to roll with Ced Benson now???

Green Bay had the no. 2 scoring defense last year missing major components. And they are now healthy.Ingram's worth will be mainly based on scoring TD's this year. I was lucky enough to get his as a RB3 in a start 2 RB league and he's soundly on the bench this week.

And while GB gave up yardage on the ground last year (115 yards per game) they surrendered only 6 rushing TDs (3rd in the NFL behind Pitt and Balt who each gave up 5)

All of those stats are meaningless because those defenses haven't faced the beast named Mark Ingram yet. You could tell me that they never allowed a rushing TD and it still wouldn't mean a thing.

 

[Exit 1]

Predictions are fun but 15 td's for Ingram is out of touch with reality.

I disagree, Funkley.15 TD's is a legit possibility.Do you feel me?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Predictions are fun but 15 td's for Ingram is out of touch with reality.

NO RBs usually produce about 20 TDs. not as out of touch as you think.

 

[Funkley]

I get that it hapoens but its essentially saying he'll have a top 5-10 rookie rb season ever. I like him too but he needs to prove he'll outscore Thomas first. 16 led the whole nfl last year.

 

[Raider Nation]

Skimming the lists very briefly while at work, I had two major problems with the W1 rankings, and I'm confident my hunches are correct.

Without giving too much subscriber content away...

1) Mathews and Tolbert are ranked too closely. Mathews will have the better day, and I suspect he'll have the MUCH better day.

2) Ryan Fitzpatrick is ranked waaaay too low.

That is all.

 

[sho nuff]

All of those stats are meaningless because those defenses haven't faced the beast named Mark Ingram yet. You could tell me that they never allowed a rushing TD and it still wouldn't mean a thing.

Um...ok.As Payton said, he is not playing Kent State this week.

 

[shader]

Thanks for the explanation Bloom. I noticed a lot of people souring on him after that poor performance against the Raiders. He's got some catching ability too, and I was impressed by his burst and power on that catch he had that almost went for a touchdown. That looked like NFL stud ability to me. I guess I'll just wait and see.

"poor performance"???

6/7/1 & 2/24 is not inspiring. This was the dress rehearsal for the regular season, and the backup J. Bell had a much better game. I think people expected more from Ingram. He didn't have that polished game like Jahvid Best 3rd preseason game breakout last year. I'm glad he didn't, because his stock would have rosen to the 2nd round and I'd have missed on him. I hope that you are right on Ingram.

He had six carries. Six. A few were on the goalline. Cmon, really?

 

[rascal]

Thanks for the explanation Bloom. I noticed a lot of people souring on him after that poor performance against the Raiders. He's got some catching ability too, and I was impressed by his burst and power on that catch he had that almost went for a touchdown. That looked like NFL stud ability to me. I guess I'll just wait and see.

"poor performance"???

6/7/1 & 2/24 is not inspiring. This was the dress rehearsal for the regular season, and the backup J. Bell had a much better game. I think people expected more from Ingram. He didn't have that polished game like Jahvid Best 3rd preseason game breakout last year. I'm glad he didn't, because his stock would have rosen to the 2nd round and I'd have missed on him. I hope that you are right on Ingram.

He had six carries. Six. A few were on the goalline. Cmon, really?

Exactly.

 

[eoMMan]

Thanks for the explanation Bloom. I noticed a lot of people souring on him after that poor performance against the Raiders. He's got some catching ability too, and I was impressed by his burst and power on that catch he had that almost went for a touchdown. That looked like NFL stud ability to me. I guess I'll just wait and see.

"poor performance"???

6/7/1 & 2/24 is not inspiring. This was the dress rehearsal for the regular season, and the backup J. Bell had a much better game. I think people expected more from Ingram. He didn't have that polished game like Jahvid Best 3rd preseason game breakout last year. I'm glad he didn't, because his stock would have rosen to the 2nd round and I'd have missed on him. I hope that you are right on Ingram.

He had six carries. Six. A few were on the goalline. Cmon, really?

Exactly.

Did he play the whole game? Did the game mean anything where the best RB was needed on the field at all times? Should we expect Joique Bell to get the same number of carries this year as Ingram? I mean, afterall, he had 6 carries in that game too.Exactly.

 

[solorca]

Moore being possibly out is going to help PT's receptions. All the word out of NO is that Ingram's role will grow as the year goes on. And yes, there's GB's defensive strength. Uncertainty around the exact split this week means Ingram is a bench candidate just to protect your team. He is worth the hype and the early pick. No RB outside of the top 10 except Hillis has Ingram's ceiling, he has the talent and then some to hit it, and that's why the hype was created.

Little off topic, but since you are in this thread, I thought it would be easier than starting a new one. I see that you have Santana Moss ranked incredibly high, which came as a bit of a shock to me. I had him on the bench behind Manningham, VJax, and Harvin, but you now have me reconsidering my choice.Can you give some insight into why you think he's such a big time producer this week?

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Moore being possibly out is going to help PT's receptions. All the word out of NO is that Ingram's role will grow as the year goes on. And yes, there's GB's defensive strength. Uncertainty around the exact split this week means Ingram is a bench candidate just to protect your team. He is worth the hype and the early pick. No RB outside of the top 10 except Hillis has Ingram's ceiling, he has the talent and then some to hit it, and that's why the hype was created.

Little off topic, but since you are in this thread, I thought it would be easier than starting a new one. I see that you have Santana Moss ranked incredibly high, which came as a bit of a shock to me. I had him on the bench behind Manningham, VJax, and Harvin, but you now have me reconsidering my choice.Can you give some insight into why you think he's such a big time producer this week?

Check out the Giant's defensive injuries. Grossman's gonna sling it.

 

[Papa Georgio]

I am not about to watch my new player blow up for me while on the bench. I'd rather get the 5 points and live with it.

I know... cool story bro, the rest of my team is fine also thanks for asking.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Moore being possibly out is going to help PT's receptions. All the word out of NO is that Ingram's role will grow as the year goes on. And yes, there's GB's defensive strength. Uncertainty around the exact split this week means Ingram is a bench candidate just to protect your team. He is worth the hype and the early pick. No RB outside of the top 10 except Hillis has Ingram's ceiling, he has the talent and then some to hit it, and that's why the hype was created.

Little off topic, but since you are in this thread, I thought it would be easier than starting a new one. I see that you have Santana Moss ranked incredibly high, which came as a bit of a shock to me. I had him on the bench behind Manningham, VJax, and Harvin, but you now have me reconsidering my choice.Can you give some insight into why you think he's such a big time producer this week?

Check out the Giant's defensive injuries. Grossman's gonna sling it.

Moss with Grossman last year8-72-25-85-09-74-0

 

[Hoart Petterson]

I honestly don't get it.

 

[LawFitz]

Did he play the whole game? Did the game mean anything where the best RB was needed on the field at all times? Should we expect Joique Bell to get the same number of carries this year as Ingram? I mean, afterall, he had 6 carries in that game too.

Exactly.

He played one half and extrapolating that to a full game gives Ingram's possible downside in the minds of some, especially when dealing with an RBBC and a top rush D like the Pack.That said, he did get some goal line looks in that half but failed to get in. The Pack will make it tough for him this week at the stripe, which gives me pause when I chalk him up for automatic Saints rushing TDs. This tempts me to plug in alternatives like Mike Bush to pair with McFadden against Denver or even McGahee on the opposite side against the Raiders, both of whom may be more likely to score TDs this weekend against more suspect rush Ds.

I really like Ingram, but if there's any week for him not to do much, it's this one. First time out, under the bright lights and against the defending champs. Will Payton unleash the beast? I'm not so sure, but I did draft him to be my #2 and it's going to be hard to sit him on Thursday. GTD with a lot of anxiety either way this week for my RB2. Fantasy Football has officially begun.

 

[solorca]

Moore being possibly out is going to help PT's receptions. All the word out of NO is that Ingram's role will grow as the year goes on. And yes, there's GB's defensive strength. Uncertainty around the exact split this week means Ingram is a bench candidate just to protect your team. He is worth the hype and the early pick. No RB outside of the top 10 except Hillis has Ingram's ceiling, he has the talent and then some to hit it, and that's why the hype was created.

Little off topic, but since you are in this thread, I thought it would be easier than starting a new one. I see that you have Santana Moss ranked incredibly high, which came as a bit of a shock to me. I had him on the bench behind Manningham, VJax, and Harvin, but you now have me reconsidering my choice.Can you give some insight into why you think he's such a big time producer this week?

Check out the Giant's defensive injuries. Grossman's gonna sling it.

Moss with Grossman last year8-72-25-85-09-74-0

Wow, I did not realize that. Those are some pretty solid numbers.You've given me quite a bit to think about!

 

[eoMMan]

Did he play the whole game? Did the game mean anything where the best RB was needed on the field at all times? Should we expect Joique Bell to get the same number of carries this year as Ingram? I mean, afterall, he had 6 carries in that game too.

Exactly.

He played one half and extrapolating that to a full game gives Ingram's possible downside in the minds of some, especially when dealing with an RBBC and a top rush D like the Pack.That said, he did get some goal line looks in that half but failed to get in. The Pack will make it tough for him this week at the stripe, which gives me pause when I chalk him up for automatic Saints rushing TDs. This tempts me to plug in alternatives like Mike Bush to pair with McFadden against Denver or even McGahee on the opposite side against the Raiders, both of whom may be more likely to score TDs this weekend against more suspect rush Ds.

I really like Ingram, but if there's any week for him not to do much, it's this one. First time out, under the bright lights and against the defending champs. Will Payton unleash the beast? I'm not so sure, but I did draft him to be my #2 and it's going to be hard to sit him on Thursday. GTD with a lot of anxiety either way this week for my RB2. Fantasy Football has officially begun.

You gotta risk it to get the bisquit.

 

[degenerate]

as of now, i decided to bench my rb3 ingram (and pierre for that matter) for s. moss as flex (.5ppr). i'm just as trigger happy as anyone to get ingram in my lineup and kill it, but i just don't see it this week. it's a very tough first game for the saints

 

[mbuehner]

Hmm.. my gut was telling me that week 1 would see better scoring from RBs as defenses weren't fully clicking yet (as little live tackling as they do these days in camp). I ran the numbers and found that there is a little bit of truth to that- over the last 10 years running back have averaged about 5.6% more fantasy points than in week 2, and about 11.5% better than week 3. This is somewhat relevant if you consider the famous defensive wearing down effect seems to be in the 6.5% range between the 1st 4 games and the last 4 games. The advantage of week 1 over the next four weeks is 5.9%.

In other words, the advantage running backs have over defenses in week 1 is roughly equivalent to the wearing down effect of late season. I don't know if that helps you choose one running back over another, but if there is a week to play Ingrim against Green Bay's defense in the first half of the season, this is it.

(Go not to the elves for council, for they will say both no and yes- Tolkien)

 

[Reepicheep]

Hmm.. my gut was telling me that week 1 would see better scoring from RBs as defenses weren't fully clicking yet (as little live tackling as they do these days in camp). I ran the numbers and found that there is a little bit of truth to that- over the last 10 years running back have averaged about 5.6% more fantasy points than in week 2, and about 11.5% better than week 3. This is somewhat relevant if you consider the famous defensive wearing down effect seems to be in the 6.5% range between the 1st 4 games and the last 4 games. The advantage of week 1 over the next four weeks is 5.9%.In other words, the advantage running backs have over defenses in week 1 is roughly equivalent to the wearing down effect of late season. I don't know if that helps you choose one running back over another, but if there is a week to play Ingrim against Green Bay's defense in the first half of the season, this is it.(Go not to the elves for council, for they will say both no and yes- Tolkien)

Did you happen to check if the increase corresponded to an overall advantage in fantasy points week 1, or just a shift in points from passing game players to RBs? I'm curious if the explanation is simply that teams lean on the running game more in week 1. I'd also wonder if the advantage would dissappear if the experience of the week 1 starting QB was controlled for. (I'm assuming week 1 generally has the highest percentage of QBs making their first start for a team, but I could be wrong.)

 

[mbuehner]

Did you happen to check if the increase corresponded to an overall advantage in fantasy points week 1, or just a shift in points from passing game players to RBs? I'm curious if the explanation is simply that teams lean on the running game more in week 1. I'd also wonder if the advantage would dissappear if the experience of the week 1 starting QB was controlled for. (I'm assuming week 1 generally has the highest percentage of QBs making their first start for a team, but I could be wrong.)

Good questions- i found the 1st week passing scored about 1.9% lower than the next 4 week average. So that could be a part of it, but actually the average passes attempted week one are dead on the average of the next four games, so the completion percentage is just lower. I'd be inclined to chalk that up to passing games not being perfected week 1.

 

[drater]

Pretty sure Peyton wants to keep Drew Brees upright, I wouldn't expect to see much of Ingram on 3rd down tomorrow night against Mathews and Company. Might have factored into the rankings as well.

 

[footballnerd]

FWIW Ingram is listed as the 3rd RB behind Sproles on the depth charts. He'll ride my bench this week.

 

[mdlane]

Judging by this thread he will be an incredible week 2 buy low.

 

[shakaka]

Hmm.. my gut was telling me that week 1 would see better scoring from RBs as defenses weren't fully clicking yet (as little live tackling as they do these days in camp). I ran the numbers and found that there is a little bit of truth to that- over the last 10 years running back have averaged about 5.6% more fantasy points than in week 2, and about 11.5% better than week 3. This is somewhat relevant if you consider the famous defensive wearing down effect seems to be in the 6.5% range between the 1st 4 games and the last 4 games. The advantage of week 1 over the next four weeks is 5.9%.In other words, the advantage running backs have over defenses in week 1 is roughly equivalent to the wearing down effect of late season. I don't know if that helps you choose one running back over another, but if there is a week to play Ingrim against Green Bay's defense in the first half of the season, this is it.

I imagine a lot of this comes from early season injuries to starting running backs. The backups are simply not as good and the team is forced to alter it's typical rushing gameplan.

 

[thehornet]

Predictions are fun but 15 td's for Ingram is out of touch with reality.

NO RBs usually produce about 20 TDs. not as out of touch as you think.

this doesnt mean anything. who is the last sole NO RB to sore 15TD's on the ground?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Predictions are fun but 15 td's for Ingram is out of touch with reality.

NO RBs usually produce about 20 TDs. not as out of touch as you think.

this doesnt mean anything. who is the last sole NO RB to sore 15TD's on the ground?

Pierre Thomas had 12 total TDs in 08 and he barely played until November

 

[prgromek]

 

[ThePittbully]

Predictions are fun but 15 td's for Ingram is out of touch with reality.

NO RBs usually produce about 20 TDs. not as out of touch as you think.

this doesnt mean anything. who is the last sole NO RB to sore 15TD's on the ground?

Pierre Thomas had 12 total TDs in 08 and he barely played until November

I'm so tired of seeing the argument that the Saints can't have an elite fantasy back because they haven't had one in the past. It makes no sense. Deuce, less than a year removed from a torn ACL, had 1200 yards and 10 TD's in 2006. Pierre had 900 yards and 12 TD's in 2008 even though he saw very limited touches or no touches at all in 6 games that year. If Ingram has the talent, and he does, the sky is the limit in that offense. And while 15 TD's is slightly north of what I'd predict, it's not out of the question. I'd be much more shocked if Ingram doesn't break double digit TD's than I would be if he scored 15+.

 

[BigTex]

Been targeting Ingram in my drafts based on a lot on the hype train in the SP and in the FBG articles. Drafted as my RB #2 so I was really excited to get him and sighed a deep breath of relief. "got him - suckers!".But now week #1, and if you listen to the FBG staff, he's all but unstartable. I should start Fred Jackson over him, even Pierre Thomas is a better start according to Bloom. I was really looking forward to playing my shiny new toy, and FBG's throw a cloud of doubt over what I thought was a no-brainer decision. I guess I have to roll with Ced Benson now???

Green Bay had the no. 2 scoring defense last year missing major components. And they are now healthy.Ingram's worth will be mainly based on scoring TD's this year. I was lucky enough to get his as a RB3 in a start 2 RB league and he's soundly on the bench this week.

IIRC overall NO Def was ranked higher at #4 and Saints have taken the last two matchups: 51-29, Nov. 24, 2008 on Monday Night Football and in 2006, 34-27. Both time the Packer were healthy so I'm not buying what your are selling. "IF" the Packers win, it won't be easy!!!!

 

[identikit]

Been targeting Ingram in my drafts based on a lot on the hype train in the SP and in the FBG articles. Drafted as my RB #2 so I was really excited to get him and sighed a deep breath of relief. "got him - suckers!".But now week #1, and if you listen to the FBG staff, he's all but unstartable. I should start Fred Jackson over him, even Pierre Thomas is a better start according to Bloom. I was really looking forward to playing my shiny new toy, and FBG's throw a cloud of doubt over what I thought was a no-brainer decision. I guess I have to roll with Ced Benson now???

Green Bay had the no. 2 scoring defense last year missing major components. And they are now healthy.Ingram's worth will be mainly based on scoring TD's this year. I was lucky enough to get his as a RB3 in a start 2 RB league and he's soundly on the bench this week.

IIRC overall NO Def was ranked higher at #4 and Saints have taken the last two matchups: 51-29, Nov. 24, 2008 on Monday Night Football and in 2006, 34-27. Both time the Packer were healthy so I'm not buying what your are selling. "IF" the Packers win, it won't be easy!!!!

Those games from yesteryear really mean nothing when compared to tonight's game.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I like Ingram eventually, but the hype train for this year is out of control. I'll be Debby Downer here: 700 yards rushing and 8 TDs.

Over the last decade, there has generally been about 3 RBs per year to have 15+ TDs. One year there was none, a few there was 1, one year there was 5. But generally it comes out to about 3 guys. I just don't see Ingram as being one of those 3. Yes, the Saints have a potentially high powered offense again, but I think people are making a lot of assumptions about Ingram.

 

[Fireballer]

looks like Vegas isn't loving Ingram either. O/U on his rush yds tonight is 39. Also, you can almost get even money on PT OR Ingram pushing it in for 6.

 

[Jason Wood]

Having as many leagues as I do, I end up with teams hosted on sites ranging from ESPN, Yahoo! and CBS Sports (along with MyFantasyLeague for any league I have say in, obviously). It's interesting that every one of those sites has Ingram VERY low this week. What is fascinating though is that, unlike us, they also have been very much in the conventional "Ingram is a committee back" way of thinking. So even though it looks like we're in alignment with the "big boys" on Ingram based on Week One projections, I would argue we're still miles apart in our overall full year thinking.

That said, if Ingram does what i expect he'll do this week and next, the major sites will be on his bandwagon too. Unfortunately for them, it'll have been too late to grab Ingram. Whereas many of you all will (hopefully) be thanking us for urging you to grab him a round or two earlier than ADP suggested.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

FBG's

I trusted you last year and took Nicks ahead of ADP and won championships. So I will heed the warning and take your advice and sit Ingram for safer options. Your track record hasn't failed me yet.

 

[GreenNGold]

Why is Ingram ranked below Pierre Thomas this week?