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Happy Monday!OMG!! There are REPUBLICANS that disagree with President Trump??
...do tell!
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Why I am voting for Joe Biden (1 Viewer)
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Joe Biden forced the hand of the Obama administration to support Gay Marriage while the administration and/or campaign were still agonizing over the timing of such a revelation.
I'd argue it's not a fair question, and is, frankly, a stupid question that misunderstands the very simple concept of elections and voting. Elections are, by definition, a comparison of two or more candidates. To wit, I will vote for Biden over Trump, but I would not vote for Biden over, say, Bernie Sanders. I'm not voting for Biden in a vacuum; I'm voting for him because I believe he is better for the country than other candidates on the ballot.Joe Bryant said:
Edit to add that this has nothing to do with Biden or Trump, specifically. The question is just as stupid in reverse, or applied to any other contest, such as Governor, Senator, or Dog-Catcher.
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Holy cow!!
Well...that'll do it!
He gave Obama his opinion....
Fifty years well spent!
It all erupted when he gave his opinion on something!
HE'S HIRED!!
Unfortunately....I also recall that he advised Obama NOT to approve the assault on Bin Laden that night.
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Who created more jobs? Obama-Biden in the last 3 years of their term or Trump-Pence in their first 3 years?
It's about the advisors that Biden would surround himself with. I trust him to hire good economists and listen to them. More than I trust those who Trump is using, such as Navarro and others whose projections on the deficit and growth were way off. The economy is the #1 issue now.
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So you want a second? Have you seen HBO's I'll be Gone in the Dark? Specifically the attitudes expressed in some of the earlier episodes that rape in a college town is no big deal? And to be expected? With that in mindHoly cow!!
Well...that'll do it!
He gave Obama his opinion....
Fifty years well spent!
HE'S HIRED!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_Against_Women_Act
Hey...the same year that he sponsored the 1994 crime bill which incarcerated blacks at a disproportionate rate.
Did this happen after he fought for school segregation...or before?
Spare me the "decent human being" talk.
He's just another crooked, career politician who has been sucking off the teat of the American taxpayer for fifty years.
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ren hoek
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Sorry- decent people don’t allow the CIA to foment a billion-dollar civil war in Syria, overthrow Libya, back a coup in Honduras, sponsor regime change in Ukraine etc. They don’t just sit there while Saudi Arabia blows up school buses with American-made ordinance. At that point Biden is not “decent,” he’s just the figurehead of a villainous empire.
We'll just completely disagree then.
Frankly, the pushback on asking people to talk about the positives of their candidate without the opponent is fascinating. Much less calling it stupid.
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That's an entirely different question, though. "What are some positives of candidate X?" versus "Why are you voting for candidate X without referencing candidate Y?" For example, I can list positives of Biden and yet I still wouldn't vote for him if compared to Sanders. The first is a legit question, the second is, by definition, a stupid question in an election between candidates X and Y.
No it's not.
I said "I had a friend of mine send me a meme yesterday asking people who say they're voting for Biden to explain it without referencing Trump."
I said it was a fair question. You said it was a stupid question.
But to be fair, I totally get it. I just find it fascinating. I think a ton of people see it like @Rich Conway I know a ton of Republicans who would rather talk about how awful the "leftists" are instead of talk about their side.
I suppose the question, as written above, isn't definitive as to whether it really means "List some positives about Biden" or "Why do you prefer Biden over Trump, without referencing Trump". If it's the latter, it's literally impossible.No it's not.
I said "I had a friend of mine send me a meme yesterday asking people who say they're voting for Biden to explain it without referencing Trump."
I said it was a fair question. You said it was a stupid question.
To put it another way, consider that an election is, literally, a question of "which do I like better: X or Y". To ignore Y is ignoring what an election is at all.
Analogy: Do you like chocolate ice cream? Do you like chocolate ice cream better than another, unspecified flavor of ice cream? Unless chocolate is literally your favorite flavor in the entire world, the second question is impossible to answer.
Analogy 2: List some positives of Tom Brady as a 2020 fantasy football prospect? Easy: rarely injured, good receivers. Say why you would prefer Tom Brady as your QB1 over David Carr without referencing Carr. Can't be done.
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The Violence Against Women Act was a component of the larger crime bill. The 1994 Crime Bill exacerbated the issues you mentioned, but didn't create them. In that way the sentencing portion was a fatally flawed attempt at resolving the problems perceived at the time. The nation was still tearing down Kurt Schmoke's 1988 House committee testimony so it was still doubling down on these terribly misguided "law and order" approaches and destroying anyone that suggested another path. Biden was guilty for being a part of it then. But you didn't ask me for a list of Biden's failure and sins.
Have you given any thought to the bold....or is the fact that he is not Donald Trump, enough for you?
...they have a name for that, you know.
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fatguyinalittlecoat
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What is the purpose of the question?No it's not.
I said "I had a friend of mine send me a meme yesterday asking people who say they're voting for Biden to explain it without referencing Trump."
I said it was a fair question. You said it was a stupid question.
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Destroying our own over their failures and sins is what democrats do all the time! But the notion that Biden has sins and failures means that he is just an equally flawed candidate to Trump is just stupidity from lazy, dishonest thinking. This isn't some "well they are both imperfect" so you either pick your side or flip a coin. There is no comparison between the two here. Its like asking me to compare the destructive forces (and gravitational pull) of a black hole and a falling feather. I'm voting to steer away from the event horizon while there is still time, hoping there is still time. I'll take my chances with the falling feather.
ren hoek
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Apparently 56% of Biden’s supporters listed ‘not being Trump’ as the #1 reason they support him. People are consolidating behind him because of who he isn’t, not because of a meaningful policy position or because he’s particularly noteworthy in any way. So it’s not surprising that his supporters struggle to explain why they support him without mentioning Trump.
It’s really remarkable. We live in such a rich country with one of the most advanced technological civilizations of all time, and our election is still boiled down to this reductive “choice” of which candidate our nation hates the least. Easy to understand why hundred million+ voters have checked out completely. I have a higher opinion of nonvoters than Biden/Trump supporters.
It’s really remarkable. We live in such a rich country with one of the most advanced technological civilizations of all time, and our election is still boiled down to this reductive “choice” of which candidate our nation hates the least. Easy to understand why hundred million+ voters have checked out completely. I have a higher opinion of nonvoters than Biden/Trump supporters.
adonis
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Put before me a pile of poo, and a bland piece of chicken and green beans, and require me to pick one or the other (no exceptions) and I'll pick the chicken and green beans every time.
It's not a fault of mine that I'm unable to extol the virtues of the chicken and green beans, because I'm given a choice between it and a pile of poo. It's not a hard choice, and the primary driver is to avoid having to eat the poo.
Yet somehow it's surprising to folks like yourself that "not eating a pile of poo" isn't a compelling enough reason to choose the tasteless chicken with green beans.
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It does highlight some differing ways to see things.
There's an old adage about there being two ways to have the tallest building in town.
You can tear down the other buildings until your building is the tallest.
Or you can build the tallest building in town.
Tearing down the others is obviously the most popular. I'd rather go the building up route.
There's an old adage about there being two ways to have the tallest building in town.
You can tear down the other buildings until your building is the tallest.
Or you can build the tallest building in town.
Tearing down the others is obviously the most popular. I'd rather go the building up route.
joffer
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to tweak your analogy a little. no one is tearing down the current tallest building. it's on fire.
Understood.
But I'm talking about it from the perspective of what you can do if you want to have the tallest building.
I guess it could be a thing where you just sit back and let the other buildings somehow self destruct. But even that isn't what I'm getting at. I'd rather focus on building your own building up.
fatguyinalittlecoat
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Well in fairness, Joe Biden isn't my building. Elizabeth Warren was my building but she didn't win the primary. Joe Biden is just a decent enough building to chill out in for four years until hopefully an even better building comes along.
I'd go back to the phrasing of the question.
How tall is your building? That's a good, answerable question.
Is your building taller than the others, but you're not allowed to consider the height of the other buildings?
I understand your general point of be positive rather than negative to the other side, but in an election, it's just not possible to avoid some comparisons.
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By the way I think it is important to remember why the Crime Bill went from nearly universal bipartisan support to largely a party line vote. Especially as it being draped over Biden in this era of BLM and defund the police. Do you remember what changed?
Symbolically it was Midnight Basketball. More generally it was a rejection of crime prevention social programs at the expense of harsh "tough on crime" measures.
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