Why I won’t be voting for President Trump (1 Viewer)

[SoBeDad]

we know falsifying happened 

https://www.9news.com/article/news/local/next/gop-rep-alleges-falsified-covid-19-records-calls-for-indictment-of-colorados-top-health-official/73-bf02452f-4615-4efe-9413-a4826a8105b2?fbclid=IwAR1wsuE22uE4mRyfGLE7dTsECg8_wN984_onXL8OUV17Oq4i1lRKkIRiuWA

we know what they were doing

https://week.com/2020/04/20/idph-director-explains-how-covid-deaths-are-classified/

we can see how died of is used wrongly

https://www.foxnews.com/us/6-year-old-nebraska-boy-covid-19-died-report

we know test results are false too

https://www.msn.com/en-us/Health/medical/state-lab-finds-90-positive-covid-19-test-results-were-false/ar-BB16Yche?ocid=sf

we know hospitals get more money 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals-paid-more-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/

call me a conspiracy theorist if you'd like, but the links don't lie and everything all together add's up to inflated numbers for monetary and political gain and I don't think anyone can really deny that at this point

Yes, there is an incentive for hospitals to classify cases as COVID.  How many cases are being falsely classified - does anyone know? 

Based on excess mortality data, most experts are saying the actual COVID related deaths are over 200,000. 

And Florida has a backlog of over 1,000 deaths likely related to COVID, which will be cleared soon as the rules for medical examiners are adjusted for the burden caused by the sheer number of extra deaths: 

>>Medical examiner’s offices in South Florida have a backlog of more than 1,200 suspected COVID-19 deaths awaiting certification, according to the Florida Medical Examiners Commission. <<

 

[matuski]

You asked "But what has he actually done?"   well there it is

Exactly.. not much.  I appreciate you documenting it.

 

[JIslander]

Exactly.. not much.  I appreciate you documenting it.

Why do you hate the environment? <_<

 

[matuski]

Why do you hate the environment? <_<

Why do you hate Hot Dogs?

 

[Henry Ford]

I know

2.6 million die from Obesity

500,000 die from smoking

260,000 die from medical mistakes

tens of thousands die from illegal and legal drug use/abuse and auto wrecks 

and nobody really seems to care much about those numbers .... but 70-100,000 deaths from a virus that mostly impacts elderly people who are already sick and its freak out zone. I'm NOT minimizing losing a single person - I'm pro-life, every life matters. I'm stepping outside the box and trying to see the reality and that reality is 99.96% of us WILL live through covid

and how many are dying BECAUSE of the freak out ?  starvation, increased violence, suicides, but especially people not being able to go to hospitals for treatments and getting medical care they need and all that ? 

wow is right - we agree !!!

99.96% of us living through Covid is already mathematically impossible. 

 

[The General]

I know

2.6 million die from Obesity

500,000 die from smoking

260,000 die from medical mistakes

tens of thousands die from illegal and legal drug use/abuse and auto wrecks 

and nobody really seems to care much about those numbers .... but 70-100,000 deaths from a virus that mostly impacts elderly people who are already sick and its freak out zone. I'm NOT minimizing losing a single person - I'm pro-life, every life matters. I'm stepping outside the box and trying to see the reality and that reality is 99.96% of us WILL live through covid

and how many are dying BECAUSE of the freak out ?  starvation, increased violence, suicides, but especially people not being able to go to hospitals for treatments and getting medical care they need and all that ? 

wow is right - we agree !!!

I’m glad to see you dropped that Dems are responsible for the lockdown schtick.

A couple questions though, do you not think the covid numbers would be higher if these drastic steps were not being taken?

Your 99% number if accurate is impacted by the lockdown right?

Do you think the government should ban smoking and mandate healthy eating? Not sure why this is relevant to the covid response.

Do you think that people doing nothing but breathing in someone else’s cough is the same as someone choosing to smoke their whole life?

Do you know what the long term health implications are of having recovered from covid?

 

[Stealthycat]

I’m glad to see you dropped that Dems are responsible for the lockdown schtick.

A couple questions though, do you not think the covid numbers would be higher if these drastic steps were not being taken?

Your 99% number if accurate is impacted by the lockdown right?

Do you think the government should ban smoking and mandate healthy eating? Not sure why this is relevant to the covid response.

Do you think that people doing nothing but breathing in someone else’s cough is the same as someone choosing to smoke their whole life?

Do you know what the long term health implications are of having recovered from covid?

I think the numbers are what they are, masks, shutdowns, schools open or not because ITS A VIRUS ... it has spread coast to coast and everyone will eventually be exposed. No, all that wasn't in an effort to stop anything but rather make it more controllable IF the hospitalizations soared ... remember, some projected 3 million dead

Ban tobacco yes, I'd be for that.

ban obesity no - but I think society is messed up with obesity rates what they are and people need to take personal responsibility for them. Covid attacks weak people - smoking/COPD and obesity leads to weaker people

if you dont' want to smell someones flatulent, cig smoke or breath ... move or don't go to the places that have that maybe? but no, we have ALWAYS been near everyone else and never has someones sneeze or breath been an issue until covid freak out 2020

nobody knows - long term might be no different than flu .... its all guess right now

 

[The General]

I think the numbers are what they are, masks, shutdowns, schools open or not because ITS A VIRUS ... it has spread coast to coast and everyone will eventually be exposed. No, all that wasn't in an effort to stop anything but rather make it more controllable IF the hospitalizations soared ... remember, some projected 3 million dead

Ban tobacco yes, I'd be for that.

ban obesity no - but I think society is messed up with obesity rates what they are and people need to take personal responsibility for them. Covid attacks weak people - smoking/COPD and obesity leads to weaker people

if you dont' want to smell someones flatulent, cig smoke or breath ... move or don't go to the places that have that maybe? but no, we have ALWAYS been near everyone else and never has someones sneeze or breath been an issue until covid freak out 2020

nobody knows - long term might be no different than flu .... its all guess right now

How can all the steps taken not kept the numbers down? The 3 million (it was 2.2 from Trump / Fauci if we did nothing IIRC) was if we took no steps. 

 

[turnerj0]

Why many great Americans won't be voting for Donald Trump:

https://www.defendingdemocracytogether.org/national-security/

 

[Ilov80s]

I know

2.6 million die from Obesity

500,000 die from smoking

260,000 die from medical mistakes

tens of thousands die from illegal and legal drug use/abuse and auto wrecks 

and nobody really seems to care much about those numbers .... but 70-100,000 deaths from a virus that mostly impacts elderly people who are already sick and its freak out zone. I'm NOT minimizing losing a single person - I'm pro-life, every life matters. I'm stepping outside the box and trying to see the reality and that reality is 99.96% of us WILL live through covid

and how many are dying BECAUSE of the freak out ?  starvation, increased violence, suicides, but especially people not being able to go to hospitals for treatments and getting medical care they need and all that ? 

wow is right - we agree !!!

People do care which is why we as a country spend a lot of money and have passed a lot of regulations trying to stop those things. Look at what we have done to smoking numbers over the last 50 years. We have spent an insane amount of money on the drug war. We have regulations to try to make cars safer. Health education is in every school to encourage healthy lifestyles. Changes were implemented to school lunches to try to make them healthier. 

70-100,000 deaths. We are closing in on 200,000. Sure it's mostly only the old and those with pre-existing conditions. That has to be something like 15-20% of the country. In addition, there is guarantee that we get a successful vaccination. If it' another 2 years before a vaccination, how many more people will become old and develop a pre-existing condition? We see what other countries did and how they were able to mostly choke out the virus by not giving it the means to spread to new hosts. We had all the plans and capabilities to act but the President and his team failed. It is a failure and a serious one, no matter how much you try to minimize it. 

 

[SoBeDad]

This is not high on anybody's list about why they wouldn't vote for Trump, evangelicals included, but he's having trouble dealing with porn star Stormy Daniels. 

Court orders Donald Trump to pay legal fees in Stormy Daniels suit

In case you lost tract, this case was the one about Stormy requesting to be released from the NDA.

 

[bigbottom]

I know

2.6 million die from Obesity

500,000 die from smoking

260,000 die from medical mistakes

tens of thousands die from illegal and legal drug use/abuse and auto wrecks 

and nobody really seems to care much about those numbers ....

You may not care about those numbers, but plenty of people do. And your examples are pretty interesting. 

Obesity - I recall the First Lady instituting a program to combat childhood obesity and the right pretty much #### all over her. 

Smoking - plenty of folks have fought hard over many years to institute regulations to curb smoking and the health impacts of smoking. Although politicians from both sides of the aisle get lobbied by the tobacco industry, it is notable that tobacco companies tend to donate more to Republicans. 

Medical Mistakes - Republicans have been leading efforts for decades to curb med-mal suits and cap damages that can be recovered by victims of medical mistakes. 

Drug Use - Obviously a hugely complex issue. But I would surmise that the two parties don’t equally support increased governmental  spending to provide resources to treat drug addiction. 

Auto Wrecks - Does one party favor more regulation to reduce traffic fatalities than the other?  Not sure on this one. 

 

[turnerj0]

I know

2.6 million die from Obesity

500,000 die from smoking

260,000 die from medical mistakes

tens of thousands die from illegal and legal drug use/abuse and auto wrecks 

and nobody really seems to care much about those numbers .... but 70-100,000 deaths from a virus that mostly impacts elderly people who are already sick and its freak out zone. I'm NOT minimizing losing a single person - I'm pro-life, every life matters. I'm stepping outside the box and trying to see the reality and that reality is 99.96% of us WILL live through covid

and how many are dying BECAUSE of the freak out ?  starvation, increased violence, suicides, but especially people not being able to go to hospitals for treatments and getting medical care they need and all that ? 

wow is right - we agree !!!

What's interesting is that for obesity, smoking, etc. you list the  potential contributing factor as the cause of death. For COVID, which in most cases is likely a much more direct contributor to a death, you assume that it is just an incidental diagnosis and reduce the number of COVID deaths by some magical formula that you haven't explained. Why the inconsistency? 

 

[joffer]

Because he cheats at golf and doesn’t like dogs

 

[Snotbubbles]

All conservatives care about is abortion, 2A, and the Supreme Court. And owning the libs, I guess. They don’t care about the rich getting richer or how much the middle class and poor get screwed. That’s what’s been proven to me over the past 3 plus years. What did Trump run on in 2016? Lock up Hillary? Didn’t happen. Build a wall that Mexico would pay for? Nope. Repeal and replace Obamacare with something better? Well, we’re waiting Mr. President. I mean, he’s still tweeting Make America Great Again six times an hour for Christ sakes. Has he not had enough time? I don’t think real conservatives like him. Not even a little bit. But he’s “better” than the alternative. It’s tribalism now, not politics. Left vs. right. Doesn’t matter who the candidate is. 

I mean the Supreme Court and Federal Court appointments are the most important issue there is for a President.  All the other stuff is Congress.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I mean the Supreme Court and Federal Court appointments are the most important issue there is for a President.  All the other stuff is Congress.

This doesn't seem exactly right.

President Trump is wrong when he says that Article II gives him absolute authority, but he does do more than just nominate federal judges.

 

[joffer]

I mean the Supreme Court and Federal Court appointments are the most important issue there is for a President.  All the other stuff is Congress.

no