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Why is Beanie Wells not climbing rankings? (1 Viewer)

Dude is talented, but so damn untrustworthy. Many likely benched him last week & will start him this week. This isn't gonna end well

 
Nothing changed between last week and this week. He runs for 138 and finishes the game strong. I doubt he hurt himself in practice. Questionable is just a tag, imo, and I pretty much assume he's at least 95% going into the game.

 
'zandbak said:
Nothing changed between last week and this week. He runs for 138 and finishes the game strong. I doubt he hurt himself in practice. Questionable is just a tag, imo, and I pretty much assume he's at least 95% going into the game.
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I've read/heard a few reports saying this. Pretty confident we have a 100%-healthy (e.g. Giants-game-esque) Beanie this week.
 
I just posted this in MOP's weekly.... May be some insight for this one:

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 Grahamburn, on 06 October 2011 - 04:38 PM, said:

Still down on Beanie? What more does he have to prove?

90 and a TD

93 and a TD

138 and 3 TDs

The guy is a freaking locomotive.

This is true, but I would tread lightly on the Beanie train. One issue is his conditioning practices: he fails in hydrating properly and taking in enough electrolytes. Trainers are often on him about it, thus the hammy issues. If he doesn't change, I expect more cramps and strain injuries.

Secondly, the Cards are about to move towards a no huddle offense. What will that do to his value? His pass catching skills aren't the best, so maybe he is out on pass plays? I'm just throwing that out for discussion, but points 1& 2 are not speculation.

 
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The conditioning issues might explain why he's had nagging injuries throughout his career dating back to college.

As far as usage, I'm not concerned about that at all. The Cardinals are MUCH better offensively with him on the field. That's been blatantly obvious. Going no-huddle doesn't mean you can't run the ball. And I doubt they'll go away from the running game given how good Wells has been so far. If anything, I would think more no-huddle looks would enhance his fantasy value because he might get a few cheap receptions. They are trying to get him more involved in the passing game. It worked in Week 1 but hasn't really worked since although he was wide open for a screen pass late in last week's game but Kolb didn't make the proper read and took a sack. Beanie doesn't have great hands but it does seem like the Cardinals are trying to work with him on that because they want him on the field and involved in all phases offensively. If he can just become an adequate receiver his fantasy value would rise even more. He's already a Top 10 RB in most scoring systems but if he starts adding 2-3 receptions to his total each week, he might sneak up closer to Top 5 status.

The injury concerns will probably always be there with Beanie but there's no denying he's off to a great start this season. He's running exceptionally well and appears to finally be living up to all the potential he came into the league with.

 
As of this moment, what is Beanie's relative value, in your opinions?

Let's just say, since I assume he wasn't drafted as a RB2 in many leagues, that he's someones RB3/4.

Would he be worth a top 10 WR in return at this point?

Beanie owners, what would it take for you to part with him?

 
'Touchdown Syndrome said:
As of this moment, what is Beanie's relative value, in your opinions?

Let's just say, since I assume he wasn't drafted as a RB2 in many leagues, that he's someones RB3/4.

Would he be worth a top 10 WR in return at this point?

Beanie owners, what would it take for you to part with him?
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I went CJ/Jennings/Welker w/ Mathews as my RB1 and Beanie as my RB2... no need to trade him :coffee:
 
'Touchdown Syndrome said:
As of this moment, what is Beanie's relative value, in your opinions?

Let's just say, since I assume he wasn't drafted as a RB2 in many leagues, that he's someones RB3/4.

Would he be worth a top 10 WR in return at this point?

Beanie owners, what would it take for you to part with him?
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Owner and yes he is worth a top 5-10 WR at this point - if he keeps his production consistent he will be worth a top 5 WR maybe next week, IMO. I am not entertaining offers at this point as I lost Charles and the Beaner has helped me to a 3-1 start.

 
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Why would anyone trade an everydown back who is lighting it up, in a league where there are not many lead backs?

 
'Touchdown Syndrome said:
As of this moment, what is Beanie's relative value, in your opinions?

Let's just say, since I assume he wasn't drafted as a RB2 in many leagues, that he's someones RB3/4.

Would he be worth a top 10 WR in return at this point?

Beanie owners, what would it take for you to part with him?
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I can't move Beanie, in realistic terms. He's my RB1. :bag: :cry: But yeah, I'd have to believe most owners would demand a top 10 WR in return
 
'JuSt CuZ said:
Why would anyone trade an everydown back who is lighting it up, in a league where there are not many lead backs?
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would have to say people are afraid of his past and figure he is not going to make it through the whole season and are looking to cash in before he crashes.i own him and think this way a bit, but you have to wonder, what if he doesn't crash and burn.
 
I don't get this. The dude is a good back; he's running with authority and busting his butt; he is THE feature back in an offense that has NO other options on the ground; he has a relatively favorable schedule coming up (and in the playoffs); and EVEN in PPR he is the 12th ranked back EVEN though he's missed a game.

Any RB can get injured... its really hard to find an RB without injury risk. And given where he was drafted, its tough to find a much better value this year... maybe Mathews, Newton, Gronk, Britt (if he were healthy)? Small handful of players.

Granted, I actually tried the upside/down strategy in my two leagues (10th/11th pick) - so he's worked out well. But given all of the above, I'd be hard pressed to trade him for anyone short of Welker/CJ or a TOP RB1.

What would be the point otherwise???

 
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'TarheelBlue said:
I don't get this. The dude is a good back; he's running with authority and busting his butt; he is THE feature back in an offense that has NO other options on the ground; he has a relatively favorable schedule coming up (and in the playoffs); and EVEN in PPR he is the 12th ranked back EVEN though he's missed a game.

Any RB can get injured... its really hard to find an RB without injury risk. And given where he was drafted, its tough to find a much better value this year... maybe Mathews, Newton, Gronk, Britt (if he were healthy)? Small handful of players.

Granted, I actually tried the upside/down strategy in my two leagues (10th/11th pick) - so he's worked out well. But given all of the above, I'd be hard pressed to trade him for anyone short of Welker/CJ or a TOP RB1.

What would be the point otherwise???
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Not so sure about a favorable schedule... Minny this week (been tougher since DT Williams suspension ended; they don't give up many rushing yds; they do give up RB recep, which isn't a Beanie thing), then off his week 6 BYE, game vs Pitt (I know, they've been run on....but by Ray Rice & Arian Foster; gotta believe they get it together again), @ Baltimore. Plus 2 games vs. 49ers (one of those in week 14) & a game vs Dallas. Some pretty tough run defenses, and also a game vs Philly where you'd expect Vick to go crazy against AZ's crap defense, causing Cards to be in catch-up mode, not running the ball (yeah, Philly is a sieve, but I'm doubting AZ's ability to stay w/ them offensively like Atl nor slow them down a bit defensively like SF (at least in the 2nd half of their game)).
 
I have to admit that I have been tenitive about starting him each week. Mostly in part because I have L. McCoy and Best. But after seeing the first 4 weeks, I am starting to beleive. I still have Best starting over him this week, but that might change by game time. :yes:

 
Not so sure about a favorable schedule... Minny this week (been tougher since DT Williams suspension ended; they don't give up many rushing yds; they do give up RB recep, which isn't a Beanie thing), then off his week 6 BYE, game vs Pitt (I know, they've been run on....but by Ray Rice & Arian Foster; gotta believe they get it together again), @ Baltimore. Plus 2 games vs. 49ers (one of those in week 14) & a game vs Dallas. Some pretty tough run defenses, and also a game vs Philly where you'd expect Vick to go crazy against AZ's crap defense, causing Cards to be in catch-up mode, not running the ball (yeah, Philly is a sieve, but I'm doubting AZ's ability to stay w/ them offensively like Atl nor slow them down a bit defensively like SF (at least in the 2nd half of their game)).
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I don't disagree... that's why I said "relatively" favorable. Maybe I should have tempered my language a bit... schedule is not GREAT but it certainly could be worse. BUT: clearly PIT's D is in trouble; STL twice which is the worst in the NFL; PHI is damn near close to worse in the NFL (and I personally think this team is falling apart - another debate - but if this is the case its icing on the cake); CLE also sucks.He has some tough matchups - and some awesome matchups. I personally will start him whoever he is playing though (my other options aren't great, but I'd still start him). Dude put up 93 yards and a TD against Washington (6th ranked run D that's played some other relatively good rushing teams).Also, I've read a couple articles where they're really working to involve him more in the passing game. Hopefully, that part of his game clicks - I think that would make him an elite option. But I am not hopeful on that score.
 
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'JuSt CuZ said:
Why would anyone trade an everydown back who is lighting it up, in a league where there are not many lead backs?
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On a team that's not strictly relying on Wells (if he wasn't drafted as a RB1/2 and his success so far has been "gravy"), it might make sense to move him for an every week stud starting WR. Even in that case, it would only be sensible if you had doubts that he would keep up this injury-free pace for 16 games.If it's possible to deal Wells for a Fitz/SSmith in that situation, I'd think that would be seriously considered.
 
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Well I feel loaded at RB and I traded him and Steve Johnson for Greg Jennings and Michael Bush (I have DMC). Obviously I gave two starters for one and a handcuff. Jennings though is upside for me and I felt it was actually in my interest to see the team I traded with be improved. Maybe I'm nuts...

 
'Touchdown Syndrome said:
'JuSt CuZ said:
Why would anyone trade an everydown back who is lighting it up, in a league where there are not many lead backs?
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On a team that's not strictly relying on Wells (if he wasn't drafted as a RB1/2 and his success so far has been "gravy"), it might make sense to move him for an every week stud starting WR. Even in that case, it would only be sensible if you had doubts that he would keep up this injury-free pace for 16 games.If it's possible to deal Wells for a Fitz/SSmith in that situation, I'd think that would be seriously considered.
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The thing is, he's already dealing w/ an injury. His status in week 4, coupled w/ concerns about his workload, meant many had him on the bench. And he's still dealing w/ it this week. At least he has a week 6 BYE to hopefully put this particular issue behind him.
 
As an owner, aswesome clip... thanks.

I've always liked Beanie and kept the faith (helped me win a league his rookie year).

You guys have a good, and severely underappreciated, back in there.

 
I'm finding that Beanie is one of those RBs that are almost impossible to get fair value for. Most trade partners stay away because of the potential for injury. One owner replied and said he didn't trust Beanie because he was an "unexpected success." I partially understand, because he was ranked pretty low going into the year. But he was seen as a potential top 10-15 RB just last year, and a lot of the low rankings this year had to do with the presence of Ryan Williams. I myself think he's going to fall off a little bit, so I understand people's hesitation. But its frustrating not being able to move him to get some much needed WR help. My other RBs are Hillis, Best, and DMC (who I don't want to move), so I think I'm just going to have to stick with them, as I'd have to take 75 cents on the dollar just to move one of them.

 
The one thing that concerns me about Beanie - beyond injury - is that he is not very involved in the passing game. So if the team falls behind - as they may very well do - he could be taken out of the game. Kind of a poor man's Michael Turner in that regard, on a much lesser team.

 
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He's 7th in game avg in our league, and it's a ppr. We start 2rbs, and the guy with Austin has Morris as his #2 due to injury. I'll find out how bad he really wants a rb.

 
What's everyone thinking this week against the Steelers? They haven't looked like the usual Pitt run D, but still never an inviting matchup. Cards are off a bye, though.

 
Just traded for him. His week 14 SF,15 CLE,16 CIN are okay matchups... specifically the CLE.

I'm looking forward to starting him against the steelers. Force me to watch that game and see what there is to see. He's been strong when healthy and seems healthy!

 
those arent good matchups. niners are one of the best run d. bengals well above average and browns are average.

that said, beanie has been a beast and id imagine you got him for good value given some of the trades bandied about itt. also, i kinda expect the team to lean on him more as kolb has struggled as the focal point.

 
He's running as well as any back in the league. Really, just watch him play and look at his stats.

Almost 5 yards a carry with most of it coming off of a standard 2-back set. And behind a poor online.

Plug him in every week as long as he's healthy.

 
yeah--- SF run d is tough at the goal-line but not as tough otherwise. That said, I think wells is a better goal-line RB. I'd agree more with you about Cincy. I'm sure that I'm underestimating them.

 
In my non-ppr league he's first in RB fantasy ppg.

His penchant to get banged up is always a concern, but I wouldn't be able to trade him for fair value.

I'm just going to hope for the best and enjoy his stats while they last.

 
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Who is his handcuff if he went down or is it not worth it?

Considering dumping Felix for his backup since all my RB's are brittle.

 
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