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Even in dynasty rankings everyone has him really low. I would be happy with him as my WR2 with potential to take over as my WR1 in week one. Why no love, especially for dynasty and keeper startup?
Do I get 6 points if its a top play on sportscenter?He is in the top 20 being taken right now on MFL so I don't see a problem. A WR2 is 12-24 area so that is what you are saying....I guess in the end here is the knocks against him if your in Dynasty -QB Play - Who would take over if Manning went down? also Manning is done after 1-3 more yearsInjuries - Can he stay healthyWR1 - Does he have dominate talent that can deal with double or triple coverage in DenverCatching - 70 target and only 32 catches, even with so called bad QB play 45% catching is not going to inspire Manning to throw his way everYes but this guy put up solid numbers with Teblow. I would argue that Thomas has more talent than any WR Manning has had to work with. Watch some of his highlight reals this guy can do it all.
Who's talking about adding 20%?!His last seven games, when he became the #1, he put up 35-745-4. That prorates to 80-1703-9 for 16 games (19ppg -- which would have been WR4 in 2011). So the question is how much are you projecting him to decline from those numbers? Obviously he's not going to put up 21 ypc all season, but I think 80-1200-9 is still reasonable if Manning is able to play. That's low end WR1 territory. Throw in the higher risks and I think his current value as a mid WR2 is about right.Tebow locked onto Thomas, one cannot simply look at Thomas' production and add 20% due to a better QB.
And Thomas seems like more of an injury risk than the average WR as well. I think he's properly valued right now, though he does have a nice ceiling.Tebow locked onto Thomas, one cannot simply look at Thomas' production and add 20% due to a better QB.Also, Peyton will spread it around and find the mismatch; Thomas may not be a mismatch when he gets doubled. As has been said, Peyton carries a significant injury risk (or may not be that great any more if he does not come all the way back from injury).
Osweiler.QB Play - Who would take over if Manning went down? also Manning is done after 1-3 more years
I would very much like to see you make that argument. You could argue that Thomas is the most physically gifted WR Manning has ever worked with, but if physical gifts were the same as talent, then Matt Jones would be the second most talented WR in the league today. And the whole discussion would be moot anyway, since Peyton Manning would be a far less talented player than the guy he's replacing.I would argue that Thomas has more talent than any WR Manning has had to work with.
I'd argue that up to this point Manning has 'loved' WRs who run crisp routes because he's had guys for whom that was a strength.Thomas is nearly as big as a TE. He doesn't have to run exquisite routes. He does have to get where he's supposed to be on time, but at his size and length he can get himself open using his body in a way Wayne and Harrison just couldn't. Different receivers -- different skill sets.Thomas put up great numbers last year while running around the field, having Tebow find him on broken plays. Peyton loves complete receivers; those who run crisp routes. Until Thomas earns Peyton's trust, Decker and Tamme will get bulk of targets.
You haven't read single thing that Cecil has said about Denver's offseason so far, have you?Thomas put up great numbers last year while running around the field, having Tebow find him on broken plays. Peyton loves complete receivers; those who run crisp routes. Until Thomas earns Peyton's trust, Decker and Tamme will get bulk of targets.
Link?You haven't read single thing that Cecil has said about Denver's offseason so far, have you?Thomas put up great numbers last year while running around the field, having Tebow find him on broken plays. Peyton loves complete receivers; those who run crisp routes. Until Thomas earns Peyton's trust, Decker and Tamme will get bulk of targets.
Read Post 13 herehttp://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=643397&st=0&p=14463935&hl=demaryius&fromsearch=1entry14463935Need we say anymore. I believe Cecil even says "Manning trusts him" Him being Demaryius Thomas of course. Let's put it this way. As of now the way it stands Demaryius is a WR2 in most leagues. If he fine tunes and works on his route running. We are talking WR1 #'s most likely by mid season. Read what Cecil says in the link. The eyes don't lie.Link?You haven't read single thing that Cecil has said about Denver's offseason so far, have you?Thomas put up great numbers last year while running around the field, having Tebow find him on broken plays. Peyton loves complete receivers; those who run crisp routes. Until Thomas earns Peyton's trust, Decker and Tamme will get bulk of targets.
I love Cecil and enjoy his insights regarding the Broncos, but... he pimped Jeremiah Johnson and Julius Thomas rather strongly last year. The simple fact is that what happens in OTAs doesn't necessarily correlate with what happens in real games. Sure, I'd rather have good news about a player that I like than bad news, but OTAs are a long way from game production, so ANY news coming from OTAs should be taken with a hefty grain of salt.I'm not a D.Thomas hater at all, he has tremendous upside. But there is very real risk associated with him and his situation, and that has factored into his why he is being drafted as a WR2 despite his stud numbers with Tebow and the arrival of Peyton.Read Post 13 herehttp://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=643397&st=0&p=14463935&hl=demaryius&fromsearch=1entry14463935Need we say anymore. I believe Cecil even says "Manning trusts him" Him being Demaryius Thomas of course. Let's put it this way. As of now the way it stands Demaryius is a WR2 in most leagues. If he fine tunes and works on his route running. We are talking WR1 #'s most likely by mid season. Read what Cecil says in the link. The eyes don't lie.
Your question is why is he being taken so lowBut your post talks about rankingsWhich one do you think he is so low in?Even in dynasty rankings everyone has him really low. I would be happy with him as my WR2 with potential to take over as my WR1 in week one. Why no love, especially for dynasty and keeper startup?
So by that logic you would have sold Megatron after his rookie year...that's a great strategy...I actually bought D Thomas last year in most of my leagues and have sold this year.Why?I'm getting premium values on a WR that's never proven a stud WR1 with a QB Manning who'd not taken a hit since his neck injury etc .....Am I trading a top 10WR? a POTENTIAL top 10 yes .... but he's not yet, so I'm selling.BTW I hope he does well in real world NFL and Manning too ... but in FF I'm selling
Have you seen the guy's tape?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v45BcSSo2TUWhen the ball is in his hands, he DOMINATES. Muscles through defenders, makes people miss. He manufactures yards and creates plays. Peyton Manning is going to look to get the ball in this guy's hands as much as possible. Has the ability to put up SICK numbers.Him and Dez Bryant are guys I'm targeting. They can take over games. Calvin Johnson potential.I actually bought D Thomas last year in most of my leagues and have sold this year.Why?I'm getting premium values on a WR that's never proven a stud WR1 with a QB Manning who'd not taken a hit since his neck injury etc .....Am I trading a top 10WR? a POTENTIAL top 10 yes .... but he's not yet, so I'm selling.BTW I hope he does well in real world NFL and Manning too ... but in FF I'm selling
Tebow locked onto Thomas, one cannot simply look at Thomas' production and add 20% due to a better QB.Also, Peyton will spread it around and find the mismatch; Thomas may not be a mismatch when he gets doubled. As has been said, Peyton carries a significant injury risk (or may not be that great any more if he does not come all the way back from injury).