Why is Michael Jenkins ranked so low? (1 Viewer)

[joepro]

I guess you could argue that Crumpler is #1, but Jenkins has seemed to have a decent pre-season.

He's available in my 9th round 16 team league. Is he worth a start?

 

[Trey]

Topic: Why is Michael Jenkins ranked so low?

Subtopic and Answer at the same time: He's Atlanta's #1 WR.

 

[Slider]

Lol, when has a WR on Michael Vick's team ever been worth a look. He may go for 100 or 5 on any given week and never 100 twice in a row.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Vick is the QB and Lelie might end up #1 once he gets settled.

 

[jurb26]

Lol, when has a WR on Michael Vick's team ever been worth a look. He may go for 100 or 5 on any given week and never 100 twice in a row.

2002, Brian Finneran.

 

[Gopher State]

Topic: Why is Michael Jenkins ranked so low?Subtopic and Answer at the same time: He's Atlanta's #1 WR.

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[Slider]

Lol, when has a WR on Michael Vick's team ever been worth a look. He may go for 100 or 5 on any given week and never 100 twice in a row.

2002, Brian Finneran.

He did go for 100 twice........OnceAnd what did he follow that up with in that 850 yard year?

 

[gman8343]

Is Jenkins clearly the #1 WR? Weren't most people pimping Roddy White as the best WR on Atlanta?

 

[videoguy505]

When healthy, Crumpler is the #1 WR.

Jenkins is a FA in my league while Roddy White was drafted, so maybe he's worth a flier in that scenario, otherwise, he's not worth much.

 

[jurb26]

Lol, when has a WR on Michael Vick's team ever been worth a look. He may go for 100 or 5 on any given week and never 100 twice in a row.

2002, Brian Finneran.

He did go for 100 twice........OnceAnd what did he follow that up with in that 850 yard year?

He also had 6 TDs that year.

 

[Brewdude]

Vick is the QB and Lelie might end up #1 once he gets settled.

I think we found the one person that believes Lelie's self-hype....other than Lelie himself.Lelie is not WR1 material. A WR1 has to be able to catch the short and long ball. It's not coincidence that Lelie led the league in YPC last year...

 

[stbugs]

Lol, when has a WR on Michael Vick's team ever been worth a look. He may go for 100 or 5 on any given week and never 100 twice in a row.

2002, Brian Finneran.

He did go for 100 twice........OnceAnd what did he follow that up with in that 850 yard year?

Why even reply? If for the 2006 season "2002, Brian Finneran" is someone's best response, even if true, then all it does is pretty much prove Slider's point.Maybe one day a Michael Vick WR will be worth something, but until he actually passes a lot, it is going to be tough for any WR to do much at all fantasy wise unless Crumpler gets hurt. For his 3 full years, he averaged 15TD passes and 2553 yards.Those are not good for WRs especially with a TE that has averaged 825 yards and 5.5 TDs and Dunn/Griffith have averaged 422 yards and 2.5 TDs the past two seasons. All the WRs have to fight over is 1306 yards and 7 TDs. That is a Hines Ward, Burress, Terry Glenn equivalent in 2005, which isn't bad except that it is for the entire Falcons WR squad.

 

[stbugs]

Lol, when has a WR on Michael Vick's team ever been worth a look. He may go for 100 or 5 on any given week and never 100 twice in a row.

2002, Brian Finneran.

He did go for 100 twice........OnceAnd what did he follow that up with in that 850 yard year?

He also had 6 TDs that year.

Dude, please give it up. If your best example for a Vick WR is the 31st ranked WR in 2002, you aren't helping yourself. You are just showing how difficult it will be for Jenkins/White to do anything.By the way, in 2002 Crumpler had 57 targets. In 2005, he had 118 targets. The WRs aren't going to be Vicks primary target and with a 2500 yards per year passing average, they better be or they won't sniff the top 30 WRs.

 

[jurb26]

Lol, when has a WR on Michael Vick's team ever been worth a look. He may go for 100 or 5 on any given week and never 100 twice in a row.

2002, Brian Finneran.

He did go for 100 twice........OnceAnd what did he follow that up with in that 850 yard year?

Why even reply? If for the 2006 season "2002, Brian Finneran" is someone's best response, even if true, then all it does is pretty much prove Slider's point.Maybe one day a Michael Vick WR will be worth something, but until he actually passes a lot, it is going to be tough for any WR to do much at all fantasy wise unless Crumpler gets hurt. For his 3 full years, he averaged 15TD passes and 2553 yards.Those are not good for WRs especially with a TE that has averaged 825 yards and 5.5 TDs and Dunn/Griffith have averaged 422 yards and 2.5 TDs the past two seasons. All the WRs have to fight over is 1306 yards and 7 TDs. That is a Hines Ward, Burress, Terry Glenn equivalent in 2005, which isn't bad except that it is for the entire Falcons WR squad.

The question was when has a Vick WR even been worth a LOOK. Finneran clearly was worth not just a look, but a serious roster spot that season as WR #31. That in no way proves Sliders point. If the point is that they will never put up starting fantasy numbers then I can buy it. Even still Finneran was boarderline in 2002.

 

[jurb26]

Lol, when has a WR on Michael Vick's team ever been worth a look. He may go for 100 or 5 on any given week and never 100 twice in a row.

2002, Brian Finneran.

He did go for 100 twice........OnceAnd what did he follow that up with in that 850 yard year?

He also had 6 TDs that year.

Dude, please give it up. If your best example for a Vick WR is the 31st ranked WR in 2002, you aren't helping yourself. You are just showing how difficult it will be for Jenkins/White to do anything.By the way, in 2002 Crumpler had 57 targets. In 2005, he had 118 targets. The WRs aren't going to be Vicks primary target and with a 2500 yards per year passing average, they better be or they won't sniff the top 30 WRs.

Maybe you should reread this thread. :whoosh:

 

[GreatAmericanFF]

I guess you could argue that Crumpler is #1, but Jenkins has seemed to have a decent pre-season. He's available in my 9th round 16 team league. Is he worth a start?

Because Mikey Vick is a Running Back first and a QB second. Also, Alge Crumpler is the #1 receiver.

 

[Spartans346]

Well Mark to answer you question........ I lived in Columbus and I have seen him play on many occasions and he always dropped balls, to inconsistant and is too slow in my opinion. I hope this helps

 

[Two Deep]

Because Vick sucks as a passing QB.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Vick is the QB and Lelie might end up #1 once he gets settled.

I think we found the one person that believes Lelie's self-hype....other than Lelie himself.Lelie is not WR1 material. A WR1 has to be able to catch the short and long ball. It's not coincidence that Lelie led the league in YPC last year...

Not that I have given the ATL WR's a second thought until now, but is it really that far fetched that Lelie jumps ahead of Jenkins?I think you prematurely used the smilie.

 

[Tau837]

I guess you could argue that Crumpler is #1, but Jenkins has seemed to have a decent pre-season. He's available in my 9th round 16 team league. Is he worth a start?

Roddy White will be the #1 WR. As to how much value he will have, I think he is a virtual lock for top 40, with a great chance at top 30. It depends on the parameters of your league as to how valuable that is. I have posted on White many times, so do a search if you want to see my rationale. Most here obviously refuse to believe that Vick can make any WR worth their time.

 

[Brewdude]

Vick is the QB and Lelie might end up #1 once he gets settled.

I think we found the one person that believes Lelie's self-hype....other than Lelie himself.Lelie is not WR1 material. A WR1 has to be able to catch the short and long ball. It's not coincidence that Lelie led the league in YPC last year...

Not that I have given the ATL WR's a second thought until now, but is it really that far fetched that Lelie jumps ahead of Jenkins?I think you prematurely used the smilie.

Bronco fan here. Lelie has never shown the ability to do anything other than make the big play. I watched him miss too many shorter passes to have any confidence in his ability to the "the man."He held out because he claimed he wanted to be given the shot at a WR1 spot. Well, he was drafted to take that slot and didn't. Everyone in the country thought he was crazy to be making those demands. Now that he's in Atlanta, I don't see him taking over the WR1 there either. I wouldn't be surprised if he's the WR3 there too.I'll admit, I haven't seen Jenkins or White play much, but I can't see Lelie as a WR1 for any team. He's a deep threat...that's all he is.

 

[Da Guru]

It is quite simple , Mike Vick is a WR destroyer!

 

[avoiding injuries]

Vick is the QB and Lelie might end up #1 once he gets settled.

I think we found the one person that believes Lelie's self-hype....other than Lelie himself.Lelie is not WR1 material. A WR1 has to be able to catch the short and long ball. It's not coincidence that Lelie led the league in YPC last year...

Not that I have given the ATL WR's a second thought until now, but is it really that far fetched that Lelie jumps ahead of Jenkins?I think you prematurely used the smilie.

Bronco fan here. Lelie has never shown the ability to do anything other than make the big play. I watched him miss too many shorter passes to have any confidence in his ability to the "the man."He held out because he claimed he wanted to be given the shot at a WR1 spot. Well, he was drafted to take that slot and didn't. Everyone in the country thought he was crazy to be making those demands. Now that he's in Atlanta, I don't see him taking over the WR1 there either. I wouldn't be surprised if he's the WR3 there too.I'll admit, I haven't seen Jenkins or White play much, but I can't see Lelie as a WR1 for any team. He's a deep threat...that's all he is.

My post wasn't meant to compliment Lelie, but rather point out that there doesn't seem to be anyone else that can be a clear #1.

 

[ren hoek]

Man, wasn't Peerless Price ranked as a top-10 WR prior to his first season with the Falcons?

Atlanta is where receivers go to die.

 

[stbugs]

Lol, when has a WR on Michael Vick's team ever been worth a look. He may go for 100 or 5 on any given week and never 100 twice in a row.

2002, Brian Finneran.

He did go for 100 twice........Once

And what did he follow that up with in that 850 yard year?

He also had 6 TDs that year.

Dude, please give it up. If your best example for a Vick WR is the 31st ranked WR in 2002, you aren't helping yourself. You are just showing how difficult it will be for Jenkins/White to do anything.

By the way, in 2002 Crumpler had 57 targets. In 2005, he had 118 targets. The WRs aren't going to be Vicks primary target and with a 2500 yards per year passing average, they better be or they won't sniff the top 30 WRs.

Maybe you should reread this thread. :whoosh:

No need to. Here is the original post:

I guess you could argue that Crumpler is #1, but Jenkins has seemed to have a decent pre-season. He's available in my 9th round 16 team league. Is he worth a start?

Now Slider may have been technically inaccurate that no Vick WR has ever been worth a look, but my point is that even though he was technically wrong with your Finneran 2002 comment, I understood what he was getting at.You are just trying to hang your hat on one example 4 years ago when Crumpler didn't even start all year. That is laughable. Sometimes it is worth correcting technical inaccuracies, but this time is wasn't.

Unless Crumpler is hurt, how in the world does Brian Finneran 2002 make any difference? If Vick puts up his average, then Roddy White, Jenkins and Lelie are fighting over 1300 yards and 7 TDs with Norwood and thhe rest of the TE/WRs. That is going to be real hard work to have any fantasy value.

 

[stbugs]

I guess you could argue that Crumpler is #1, but Jenkins has seemed to have a decent pre-season. He's available in my 9th round 16 team league. Is he worth a start?

Roddy White will be the #1 WR. As to how much value he will have, I think he is a virtual lock for top 40, with a great chance at top 30. It depends on the parameters of your league as to how valuable that is. I have posted on White many times, so do a search if you want to see my rationale. Most here obviously refuse to believe that Vick can make any WR worth their time.

You may want to rethink your "lock" and "great chance." Lelie, Jenkins and White will probably be the main WRs, but when the RBs and TEs take 50% of the 2500 yards and 15 passing TDs, there isn't enough production. Unless Vick becomes anti-Vick and the Falcons decide to switch to a pass-first offense.Here is a good example: Kansas City. They have a huge running game, a stud TE and barely there WRs. I own Kennison so he has had great value, been around #18-#24 the past few years. You know what the main difference between the teams is? Green has averaged 1500 more yards and 5 more TDs a year than Vick. Still think that White has a chance in heck to match Kennison's production with 2 other guys who seem to be on a comparable level?

 

[Men-in-Cleats]

I think there are two sides to this "Vick is a WR destroyer" argument and I sit pretty much in the middle. Yes, Vick is a running QB and hasn't consistently thrown to his WR's much at all during his tenure with the Falcons. However, what has he had for WR's in that timespan to throw to? I think that if White or Jenkins take a step forward this year and provide him with a reliable target that he'll be able to increase his passing yardage and there will be a bigger pie to split up between the WR's, TE's, and RB's but I don't have high expectations for them due to this being a run first offense with a running QB. I've taken late flyers on Roddy White this year in a couple of leagues as I could see the passing offense improving a bit this year but I'm not going to give up the farm on that either. Whichever of he and Jenkins you see being the top dog is definitely a good flyer later in the draft with some definite upside, but definitely temper your expectations based on what you know of this offense.

 

[Big Score]

Guys, he's in a 16 team league and in the 9th round.

The answer to his question is yes, Jenkins is certainly worth a flyer there considering the rest of the dregs he's likely choosing from.

 

[KevT]

Lol, when has a WR on Michael Vick's team ever been worth a look. He may go for 100 or 5 on any given week and never 100 twice in a row.

2002, Brian Finneran.

Dan Reeves was the coach. Under Reeves Vick had his best year. Reeves knew he had to dumb down the offense and make it simple. Mora doesn't realize that yet, otherwise Vick would be doing better.

 

[lod2005]

Simple really. There is no QB in Atlanta capable of getting him the football. Well Schaub could but they are too busy playing a bust.

 

[lod2005]

Lol, when has a WR on Michael Vick's team ever been worth a look. He may go for 100 or 5 on any given week and never 100 twice in a row.

2002, Brian Finneran.

He did go for 100 twice........OnceAnd what did he follow that up with in that 850 yard year?

He also had 6 TDs that year.

So that is the best Vick can offer a WR?

 

[jurb26]

Lol, when has a WR on Michael Vick's team ever been worth a look. He may go for 100 or 5 on any given week and never 100 twice in a row.

2002, Brian Finneran.

He did go for 100 twice........OnceAnd what did he follow that up with in that 850 yard year?

He also had 6 TDs that year.

So that is the best Vick can offer a WR?

So your also saying that WR31 is not good enough to play on your team... not even worth a look. Hell, Jenkins was WR60 last year and I would imagin there aren't many leagues where even the 60th ranked WR is not worth a roster spot.

 

[Tau837]

I guess you could argue that Crumpler is #1, but Jenkins has seemed to have a decent pre-season. He's available in my 9th round 16 team league. Is he worth a start?

Roddy White will be the #1 WR. As to how much value he will have, I think he is a virtual lock for top 40, with a great chance at top 30. It depends on the parameters of your league as to how valuable that is. I have posted on White many times, so do a search if you want to see my rationale. Most here obviously refuse to believe that Vick can make any WR worth their time.

You may want to rethink your "lock" and "great chance." Lelie, Jenkins and White will probably be the main WRs, but when the RBs and TEs take 50% of the 2500 yards and 15 passing TDs, there isn't enough production. Unless Vick becomes anti-Vick and the Falcons decide to switch to a pass-first offense.Here is a good example: Kansas City. They have a huge running game, a stud TE and barely there WRs. I own Kennison so he has had great value, been around #18-#24 the past few years. You know what the main difference between the teams is? Green has averaged 1500 more yards and 5 more TDs a year than Vick. Still think that White has a chance in heck to match Kennison's production with 2 other guys who seem to be on a comparable level?

Thanks for the advice. I have thought it out. Old posts:

Previous post on White:

Posted this last month:

Last year, the Falcons attempted 451 passes, and the WRs caught 118. Here was the breakdown:

+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Name | G | RSH YARD AVG TD | REC YARD AVG TD |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Romby Bryant | 3 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 0 0 0.0 0 || Brian Finneran | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 50 611 12.2 2 || Michael Jenkins | 14 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 36 508 14.1 3 || Jerome Pathon | 8 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 1 18 18.0 0 || Dez White | 6 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 2 25 12.5 1 || Roddy White | 16 | 4 12 3.0 0 | 29 446 15.4 3 |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+Who here thinks Finneran will catch 50 again? I don't. In 2004, he was the #3 receiver with 23 catches, though he did also miss 4 games.Consider targets. Last season, here were the WR targets:Finneran 81Jenkins 71Roddy 68Dez 10Pathon 3Roddy White had only 29 catches last season, but he was targeted often. Clearly he was raw last season, and has potential for significant improvement this season. That could lead both to catching more of his targets and to being targeted more frequently.I could easily see White adding one catch per game, even if WR catches don't increase. That would leave Jenkins & Finneran to split the the other 70 from this trio last year. This would push him to 45 catches. If he maintains his ypc and TD % averages, that would give him a statline like this: 45/693/5Last year, that would have ranked as WR37. I think that qualifies as sleeper material... FBG says his current ADP is WR57.Now, is that the ceiling, either for White or this passing game? No. Add 50 more plays as was discussed earlier and call 20 of them passing plays, which would give Atlanta 471 passing attempts. WRs have caught ~26% of Atlanta's passes over the past two years, so that means a few more catches for the WRs. If White is the leading receiver, that could give him a few more catches.More importantly, is it possible for the WRs to get more passes this season? I think so. In 2002, Vick's best passing year, WRs caught 28.6% of Atlanta's 479 passing attempts. Entering his third year with the same coaching staff & offense, I could see Vick's confidence as improved, plus he is healthy unlike last year. So I could see him looking downfield more. If the WRs could catch 28.6% of 471 passes instead of 26%, that is 135 catches for the WRs, 17 more than last year. Again assuming White is the #1, or at least co-#1, that could be 7-10 more catches for him over the numbers I showed earlier. That could get him to 55/847/6... WR28 last year.Finally, consider his splits from last season:First 8 games: 8/94/0 receiving, with 23 targetsLast 8 games: 21/352/3, with 45 targetsIf he was able to carry his second half performance forward to this year and maintain it all season, that would be 90 targets and 42/704/6, which last season would have ranked as WR35.Looks to me like there is a reasonable chance for White to end up in the WR30-W40 range, and he is currently being drafted far below that. Hence, he would seem to be a good value.

The latest ADP posted at FBG shows him at WR53--very good value there.Also, it is worth noting that, while the average performance of Vick's WR1 hasn't been good, as posted previously in this thread, Finneran posted 56/838/6 and was WR31 in 2002. Not coincidentally, that season was Vick's career high in passing attempts. If his passing attempts go up this year, White could have a surprisingly good year.There are certainly those who have written off Vick and decided he simply isn't capable of improving as a passer. Those people will tend to ignore White. But anyone who thinks Vick still has potential to improve his passing, like I do, should be targeting White.

I posted that before Finneran got hurt. And also before I was aware Crumpler would miss the entire preseason due to recovery from knee surgery.As of 8/10, his ADP was WR49. White = value

Crumpler played 16 games last year, not sure what you're thinking of there. In fact, Crumpler's splits are amazingly consistent:Games 1-8: 59 targets, 33/440/2 receiving, 56.0 fantasy points Games 9-16: 8 59 targets, 32/437/3 receiving, 61.7 fantasy pointsSo it doesn't appear that White's significant improvement in the second half last season had anything to do with Crumpler, nor did it have any effect on Crumpler.With respect to Jenkins getting more TDs, I've heard this before. Apparently, some people feel that he will get targeted more in the red zone because he is bigger. It didn't happen last year:

Last year in the red zone:White - 7 targets, 6/71/2 receivingJenkins - 5 targets, 4/43/3 receiving

And there is no doubt that White is the better deep threat. Look at the ypc over the second half of last season:

Last 8 games of last year:Roddy - 45 targets, 21/352/3 receiving, 16.8 ypcFinneran - 42 targets, 23/281/0 receiving, 12.2 ypcJenkins - 37 targets, 21/259/2 receiving, 12.3 ypc

So if White is targeted more in the red zone and is a better deep threat, I'm not sure why anyone would think Jenkins will score more TDs.

Since those posts, they added Lelie. But I thought White would be the #1 before Finneran got hurt, and now I simply see Lelie filling the Finneran role. I still think White is underrated, especially since most people rank Jenkins and/or Lelie above him.

 

[CiscoKid]

I'm sort of surprised that Jenkins is being regarded so low in this post, particularly when the originator stated he was looking at him in the 9th round of a 16 team league. The argument I’ve seen against him is “look who his QB is”. Ok, I can see that on a normal board, but I didn’t think that it would be a consensus here based soley on that one reason. I think there is one other reason to look the other way, Roddy White. Between Vick as a QB and Roddy White, I think everyone’s radar on Jenkins just flat out got shut off. That being said, I’ve seen some blips to make me think he’s going to have a good year.

Jenkins, by all reports, has had a very nice off season. I’ve had a chance to see a couple of the Atlanta pre-season games, and to me he’s not only looked good, he looked like he was outplaying White considerably. Here’s his numbers from the preseason:

M. Jenkins 3 19 1 9

M. Jenkins 3 24 0 15

M. Jenkins 2 36 1 21

That’s 8 catches for 79 yards in roughly 4 quarters of action, 2 of which were for TD’s. Those things aside, there’s a few other reasons I like him – the first is that they traded Duckett and got Lelie. That tells me that Atlanta is looking to pass more than they have in the past, possibly a lot more (you can’t tell me that it’s *all* because of Norwood). The other is the guy has talent – former 1st rounder entering his 3rd year. He’s big 6’4”, 217 and would make a good redzone target.

Anyway, I’ll go against the grain – I like his prospects this season, and I think he’d be a great pick in the 9th of a 16 team league. I’ve gotten him in the 14th in 3 out of 4 of my 12 team leagues...

 

[jurb26]

I'm sort of surprised that Jenkins is being regarded so low in this post, particularly when the originator stated he was looking at him in the 9th round of a 16 team league. The argument I’ve seen against him is “look who his QB is”. Ok, I can see that on a normal board, but I didn’t think that it would be a consensus here based soley on that one reason. I think there is one other reason to look the other way, Roddy White. Between Vick as a QB and Roddy White, I think everyone’s radar on Jenkins just flat out got shut off. That being said, I’ve seen some blips to make me think he’s going to have a good year. Jenkins, by all reports, has had a very nice off season. I’ve had a chance to see a couple of the Atlanta pre-season games, and to me he’s not only looked good, he looked like he was outplaying White considerably. Here’s his numbers from the preseason:M. Jenkins 3 19 1 9 M. Jenkins 3 24 0 15 M. Jenkins 2 36 1 21That’s 8 catches for 79 yards in roughly 4 quarters of action, 2 of which were for TD’s. Those things aside, there’s a few other reasons I like him – the first is that they traded Duckett and got Lelie. That tells me that Atlanta is looking to pass more than they have in the past, possibly a lot more (you can’t tell me that it’s *all* because of Norwood). The other is the guy has talent – former 1st rounder entering his 3rd year. He’s big 6’4”, 217 and would make a good redzone target. Anyway, I’ll go against the grain – I like his prospects this season, and I think he’d be a great pick in the 9th of a 16 team league. I’ve gotten him in the 14th in 3 out of 4 of my 12 team leagues...

I picked up Jenkins in the 10th round of a 16 team draft as WR49. I think any WR1 on his team is worth that kind of flyer.

 

[brednbuddah]

Jenkins 3/77/1 vs Carolina on the road

fluke?