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I hear a lot about Tebow's shortcomings, but what is it that keep McCoy out of the "elite QB" talk. Does he have some major drawback?
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Why isn't Colt McCoy a top prospect (1 Viewer)
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I like McCoy, and think he's a good kid, good leadership skills, bright, good enough arm.I think the knocks on him is some of the similar things you hear about Tebow (without the exaggerated wind-up in his throwing motion): he was working out of the spread, mostly with just 2 reads on same side of the field, not taking snaps under center, etc.He's also not huge (6' 1", 210), or especially fast. Alot of his throws were short/intermediate (which lend to his 70%+ completion percentage). I think Bradford throws a 'prettier' deep ball, but Colt can make the throws.However, his accuracy is excellent, he is a 4-year starter in a big-time program, he has a very good winning record. He scrambles well, avoiding pressure. Apparently showed very good footwork at his ProDay.So, short answer? Not sure. I think he could go late 1st round, and is probably a much better value than Bradford and Claussen there (or Tebow anytime).
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It worries me that he had a routine shoulder stinger and was unable to throw for like a month and a half due to "pain" issues. That kind of injury wouldn't keep Favre out of a game for more than a series.....Hell last year Stafford came back into a game immediately after a separated shoulder and threw a game winning TD.
Maybe teams are worried about McCoys grit?
Maybe teams are worried about McCoys grit?
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Sounds like a pretty good description of Drew Brees. (except the big-time program part)
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. . . and Danny Wuerffel . . . and Matt Leinart . . . and Alex Smith . . .
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Footballguy
Colt McCoy is like the most quarterbacky name I've ever heard, that should count for something.
I don't know... Using this logic Rock Cartwright should be winning pro bowls at RB.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
His intangibles such as leadership seem to be pretty strong from all indications. Here is a great article from ESPN The Mag.
COLT HERO
This article appears in the August 24 issue of ESPN The Magazine as the cover story.
Colt, do not let us down. Seriously. because we are doing something we almost never do. We're abandoning snark and cynicism and writing an honest-to-goodness love letter. We always like a little dirt, a fault, a misstep. And we asked lots of folks who track almost every move you make to give it up. But no one had anything. If not for the burly shadow cast by that goody-two-shoes Tebow, everyone would already know this stuff about you, too. In fact, like Tebow, you've even got your own man-on-a-mission legend.
Let us tell the readers, since you'd never think to.
Last spring, McCoy traveled to Iquitos, Peru, on a volunteer mission organized by a nondenominational Christian camp in Texas. The children he met over his 10-day stay had never heard of American football, much less the Texas Longhorns or their star QB. These were kids who slept on dirt floors in the Amazon jungle and considered running water a luxury. But when McCoy returned to Iquitos for a 10-day mission this past spring, the children and local translators knew the Longhorns had finished 12-1 and won the Fiesta Bowl. McCoy had left an impression; each week during the season, the translators pooled their money to rent a motorcycle so one of them could ride to a neighboring village with an Internet café and check game results.
Nathaniel WelchColt McCoy, standing at the beginning of what figures to be a magical ride for Texas football.
See what we mean, Colt? Now imagine what it's like for people who know you, who love the Horns the way they love their mama. You inspire them. In a way VY, the man you replaced, never did. And it's not that you read Scripture and recite the Lord's Prayer before running out of the tunnel. It's not even that you've beaten up on the Sooners. It's bigger than churchgoing and winning. It's positively heroic. But if we tried to explain it, we'd get so mushy they'd take away our press passes.
Instead, your biggest fans are ready to testify.
THE NEIGHBORS: KEN AND PATINA HERRINGTON, GRAHAM, TEXAS
GAME DAY RITUAL: Dressed in matching No. 12 jerseys, the Herringtons walk the neighborhood an hour before kickoff, mingling with other UT fans in a tradition they call the Victory Walk. Back at home, they play "Texas Fight," fill their frosty UT mugs with beer, pop popcorn and flick on the TV.
THEIR TESTIMONY: Around 9 p.m. on Memorial Day 2006, Colt and his father, Brad, were fishing behind their home in Graham -- where they'd moved after Colt graduated from high school -- when they heard screaming from across the lake.
Courtesy Petina HerringtonColt McCoy with Ken Herrington.
Dad and son kicked off their shoes, removed their shirts and dived into Timber Ridge Lake for the 300-yard swim to the other side. When they arrived, out of breath, they found Patina screaming and her husband, Ken, lying on a dock, suffering one of 12 grand mal seizures he would have that night. Another neighbor had heard the screams and called 911. The ambulance was unable to navigate the steep 575-yard rocky path that led down to the lake. Colt charged up the hill, without his shoes and with a flashlight, to guide the EMTs down to Ken, a former NASA engineer who helped put Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin on the moon. Once Ken was stabilized, Colt, Brad and several neighbors helped the EMTs carry Ken's stretcher up the path. It wasn't until Ken was in the medevac that Patina realized who had helped her husband.
"It was so dark," she says. "I heard someone say Colt, and thought, That was Colt McCoy?" Ken survived the ordeal, and once the couple were back at home, Patina, a Longhorns fan, e-mailed the local media to tell the story. She knew the McCoys never would. "I'd like to think everybody would do what he did," Patina says. "But let's face it, not everybody would." Now it isn't Christmas at the Herrington house until the lights on the UT Christmas tree are lit.
"Colt saved a life," Patina says. "What better describes a hero than that?"
THE SURVIVOR: SERGIO GONZALES, AUSTIN, TEXAS
GAME DAY RITUAL: Sergio wears a Colt jersey; Rupert the Bear wears a UT hat.
HIS TESTIMONY: On July 27, 2008, Veronica Orozco checked her 12-year-old son, Sergio, into the Dell Children's Medical Center in Austin for tests. The next day, the doctors diagnosed acute biphenotypic leukemia, a rare form of cancer that affects fewer than 200,000 people in the U.S. Sergio spent a month in the hospital and was in and out of Dell for the next four months. He missed most of seventh grade and had to quit football. "I played safety," Sergio says. "I'm really fast." During those months, he got his weekly football fix by watching his favorite team, the Longhorns, on TV.
Before the season began, a nurse told Sergio that the UT football team visited the hospital on Fridays before home games. He was psyched. Especially when he found out his favorite player, You Know Who, never missed a visit. But Sergio was discharged before getting a chance to meet his hero. He was crushed. What he didn't know was that the nurses made sure McCoy knew about him.
Two weeks later, Sergio was at a nearby clinic for tests. After making his rounds at the hospital, McCoy made the 10-minute walk to meet Sergio. "It meant so much," Orozco says.
Courtesy Veronica OrozcoColt with Sergio Gonzales.
For the rest of the season, McCoy checked on Sergio's status and stopped by his room if he had been admitted. On UT Fridays, Sergio always wore his hat and autographed Colt McCoy jersey and dressed his stuffed bear, Rupert, in a Longhorns hat. "Colt always remembers Rupert's name," Sergio says. According to the staff at Dell, McCoy remembers everyone's names, from children to nurses to front office folks. "He has an incredible gift," says Ashley Davis, special events coordinator at Dell.
At the end of November, Sergio traveled to San Antonio to undergo a bone marrow transplant, after which he spent six months in the hospital recovering from complications. During that time, the memory of McCoy's visits meant more than ever to Sergio and Veronica. "Colt treats me like I'm not sick," says Sergio, who is now cancer-free and plans to return to school part-time in the fall. "Colt told me to keep fighting, to never give up," he says.
"A lot of celebrities and professional athletes come through here," says Davis. "But no one reaches these kids like Colt. When he is visiting, you can feel his presence."
THE TEACHER: KAY WHITTON, JIM NED HIGH, TUSCOLA, TEXAS
GAME DAY RITUAL: Whitton dons her No. 12 jersey and sets the DVR to record. "That way, I don't miss a minute if someone calls or comes to the door," she says. "But everyone knows not to call me on game day."
HER TESTIMONY: Shortly after watching the 2008 Heisman ceremony at home in Tuscola, Whitton, McCoy's high school business teacher and his self-proclaimed No. 1 fan, got a phone call from a certain somebody who was visiting New York.
Courtesy Kay WhittonMcCoy with HS teacher Kay Whitton.
"Hey, Miss Whitton! It's Colt. I'm in the limo, and we're about to go under the Hudson River." Whitton was giddy. During the show, ESPN ran a segment on Tuscola, and McCoy was calling to thank his favorite teacher for helping with the logistics. "I can't tell you what a feeling that was, knowing he took time out of his crazy schedule to call," she says.
Whitton, like most of Tuscola's 714 residents, believed Colt was shafted out of a Heisman. But that hasn't stopped assistant football coach Vince Lavallee from talking about erecting a Colt McCoy statue in front of the school. Whitton has even bigger plans. "If -- when -- he wins this year, we are going to paint the town water tower to say, 'Tuscola: Home of Colt McCoy,' " she says. Bigger still, she's lobbying to permanently add an eighth letter to the town name. Welcome to Tuscolta.
THE TEAMMATE: JORDAN SHIPLEY, WR, TEXAS LONGHORNS
GAME DAY RITUAL : Catches (132), yards (1,706) and touchdowns (20).
HIS TESTIMONY: One day during Shipley's freshman year, coach Mack Brown asked him if he thought a prep QB from West Texas was good enough to play in Austin. "I'd known Colt since we were 8," Shipley says. "I knew he was gifted, but, really, I wanted a good friend on the team."
Three years later, the off-field friendship -- they're fishing buddies, do charity work together, play Tom Petty songs on harmonicas -- has helped them on the field, too. "We know each other's tendencies so well, and that goes a long way in football," Shipley says.
Getty ImagesShipley and McCoy have been tight for over a decade.
Take a play during the first quarter of last year's Oklahoma State game. It's first down from the OSU 14, and McCoy calls a run in the huddle. "At the line, he looked at the defense and audibled to a screen to the outside receiver," Shipley says. "But then he gave me a nod and changed the play again. It was spur of the moment, and he didn't say a word. But I knew exactly where he was going." McCoy took the snap, stepped up and threw a fade to Shipley. Fourteen yards. Touchdown.
"I don't know if anyone else in the country can do what he can," says Shipley, who, along with Brandon Collins, Malcolm Williams and James Kirkendoll, is part of one of the strongest receiving corps in college football.
"He's the best there is."
THE EDITOR: CHRIS BEREND, DEPUTY EDITOR, ESPN THE MAGAZINE
GAME DAY RITUAL: "Saturday is stressful," says Berend, whose wife leaves their Brooklyn pad to him, his four UT friends and the couple's poodle, Barkley, dressed in a Colt McCoy sweater.
HIS TESTIMONY: The Mag's college football brain trust thought this story was their idea. That's what Berend, 34, wanted them to think. Truth is, he began planning this three years ago, when the UT alum joined The Mag. He needed them to believe they were the ones who saw something in the kid under center at Texas. Them. Not the guy with the burnt-orange No. 12 rubber ducky on his desk.
Courtesy Chris BerendMcCoy is a hero to UT-Austin expats everywhere, like Mag editor Berend.
He was patient, methodical. He proselytized at morning meetings and on e-mail chains, journalistic objectivity be damned. He erected a small shrine at his desk, subliminally planting images of Colt McCoy in the minds of the entire staff. He played inspirational highlight videos on his Mac and retold stories he'd read online about the guy he calls "America's only safe hero." It was all so transparent, so diabolically effective. You're reading this story, aren't you?
Last summer, Berend and The Mag were looking to pick the brains of some college players. Always obliging, Colt agreed to help. Little did he know, Berend's other motive was to get McCoy face time with one of our college football editors, just to seal the deal on this story. But then, in the presence of Colt, Berend clammed up. "I was speechless," he says. "I wanted to ask him what it feels like to run out of the tunnel, if he still talks to Vince Young, if he wanted to hang out with me. But I froze up. Not a word came out."
So, Chris, this is for a job well done: He gets nervous in the tunnel. Yes, he still talks to Vince. And, sure, you can hang anytime you're in town. Isn't it obvious? This man won't let you down.
COLT HERO
This article appears in the August 24 issue of ESPN The Magazine as the cover story.
Colt, do not let us down. Seriously. because we are doing something we almost never do. We're abandoning snark and cynicism and writing an honest-to-goodness love letter. We always like a little dirt, a fault, a misstep. And we asked lots of folks who track almost every move you make to give it up. But no one had anything. If not for the burly shadow cast by that goody-two-shoes Tebow, everyone would already know this stuff about you, too. In fact, like Tebow, you've even got your own man-on-a-mission legend.
Let us tell the readers, since you'd never think to.
Last spring, McCoy traveled to Iquitos, Peru, on a volunteer mission organized by a nondenominational Christian camp in Texas. The children he met over his 10-day stay had never heard of American football, much less the Texas Longhorns or their star QB. These were kids who slept on dirt floors in the Amazon jungle and considered running water a luxury. But when McCoy returned to Iquitos for a 10-day mission this past spring, the children and local translators knew the Longhorns had finished 12-1 and won the Fiesta Bowl. McCoy had left an impression; each week during the season, the translators pooled their money to rent a motorcycle so one of them could ride to a neighboring village with an Internet café and check game results.
Nathaniel WelchColt McCoy, standing at the beginning of what figures to be a magical ride for Texas football.
See what we mean, Colt? Now imagine what it's like for people who know you, who love the Horns the way they love their mama. You inspire them. In a way VY, the man you replaced, never did. And it's not that you read Scripture and recite the Lord's Prayer before running out of the tunnel. It's not even that you've beaten up on the Sooners. It's bigger than churchgoing and winning. It's positively heroic. But if we tried to explain it, we'd get so mushy they'd take away our press passes.
Instead, your biggest fans are ready to testify.
THE NEIGHBORS: KEN AND PATINA HERRINGTON, GRAHAM, TEXAS
GAME DAY RITUAL: Dressed in matching No. 12 jerseys, the Herringtons walk the neighborhood an hour before kickoff, mingling with other UT fans in a tradition they call the Victory Walk. Back at home, they play "Texas Fight," fill their frosty UT mugs with beer, pop popcorn and flick on the TV.
THEIR TESTIMONY: Around 9 p.m. on Memorial Day 2006, Colt and his father, Brad, were fishing behind their home in Graham -- where they'd moved after Colt graduated from high school -- when they heard screaming from across the lake.
Courtesy Petina HerringtonColt McCoy with Ken Herrington.
Dad and son kicked off their shoes, removed their shirts and dived into Timber Ridge Lake for the 300-yard swim to the other side. When they arrived, out of breath, they found Patina screaming and her husband, Ken, lying on a dock, suffering one of 12 grand mal seizures he would have that night. Another neighbor had heard the screams and called 911. The ambulance was unable to navigate the steep 575-yard rocky path that led down to the lake. Colt charged up the hill, without his shoes and with a flashlight, to guide the EMTs down to Ken, a former NASA engineer who helped put Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin on the moon. Once Ken was stabilized, Colt, Brad and several neighbors helped the EMTs carry Ken's stretcher up the path. It wasn't until Ken was in the medevac that Patina realized who had helped her husband.
"It was so dark," she says. "I heard someone say Colt, and thought, That was Colt McCoy?" Ken survived the ordeal, and once the couple were back at home, Patina, a Longhorns fan, e-mailed the local media to tell the story. She knew the McCoys never would. "I'd like to think everybody would do what he did," Patina says. "But let's face it, not everybody would." Now it isn't Christmas at the Herrington house until the lights on the UT Christmas tree are lit.
"Colt saved a life," Patina says. "What better describes a hero than that?"
THE SURVIVOR: SERGIO GONZALES, AUSTIN, TEXAS
GAME DAY RITUAL: Sergio wears a Colt jersey; Rupert the Bear wears a UT hat.
HIS TESTIMONY: On July 27, 2008, Veronica Orozco checked her 12-year-old son, Sergio, into the Dell Children's Medical Center in Austin for tests. The next day, the doctors diagnosed acute biphenotypic leukemia, a rare form of cancer that affects fewer than 200,000 people in the U.S. Sergio spent a month in the hospital and was in and out of Dell for the next four months. He missed most of seventh grade and had to quit football. "I played safety," Sergio says. "I'm really fast." During those months, he got his weekly football fix by watching his favorite team, the Longhorns, on TV.
Before the season began, a nurse told Sergio that the UT football team visited the hospital on Fridays before home games. He was psyched. Especially when he found out his favorite player, You Know Who, never missed a visit. But Sergio was discharged before getting a chance to meet his hero. He was crushed. What he didn't know was that the nurses made sure McCoy knew about him.
Two weeks later, Sergio was at a nearby clinic for tests. After making his rounds at the hospital, McCoy made the 10-minute walk to meet Sergio. "It meant so much," Orozco says.
Courtesy Veronica OrozcoColt with Sergio Gonzales.
For the rest of the season, McCoy checked on Sergio's status and stopped by his room if he had been admitted. On UT Fridays, Sergio always wore his hat and autographed Colt McCoy jersey and dressed his stuffed bear, Rupert, in a Longhorns hat. "Colt always remembers Rupert's name," Sergio says. According to the staff at Dell, McCoy remembers everyone's names, from children to nurses to front office folks. "He has an incredible gift," says Ashley Davis, special events coordinator at Dell.
At the end of November, Sergio traveled to San Antonio to undergo a bone marrow transplant, after which he spent six months in the hospital recovering from complications. During that time, the memory of McCoy's visits meant more than ever to Sergio and Veronica. "Colt treats me like I'm not sick," says Sergio, who is now cancer-free and plans to return to school part-time in the fall. "Colt told me to keep fighting, to never give up," he says.
"A lot of celebrities and professional athletes come through here," says Davis. "But no one reaches these kids like Colt. When he is visiting, you can feel his presence."
THE TEACHER: KAY WHITTON, JIM NED HIGH, TUSCOLA, TEXAS
GAME DAY RITUAL: Whitton dons her No. 12 jersey and sets the DVR to record. "That way, I don't miss a minute if someone calls or comes to the door," she says. "But everyone knows not to call me on game day."
HER TESTIMONY: Shortly after watching the 2008 Heisman ceremony at home in Tuscola, Whitton, McCoy's high school business teacher and his self-proclaimed No. 1 fan, got a phone call from a certain somebody who was visiting New York.
Courtesy Kay WhittonMcCoy with HS teacher Kay Whitton.
"Hey, Miss Whitton! It's Colt. I'm in the limo, and we're about to go under the Hudson River." Whitton was giddy. During the show, ESPN ran a segment on Tuscola, and McCoy was calling to thank his favorite teacher for helping with the logistics. "I can't tell you what a feeling that was, knowing he took time out of his crazy schedule to call," she says.
Whitton, like most of Tuscola's 714 residents, believed Colt was shafted out of a Heisman. But that hasn't stopped assistant football coach Vince Lavallee from talking about erecting a Colt McCoy statue in front of the school. Whitton has even bigger plans. "If -- when -- he wins this year, we are going to paint the town water tower to say, 'Tuscola: Home of Colt McCoy,' " she says. Bigger still, she's lobbying to permanently add an eighth letter to the town name. Welcome to Tuscolta.
THE TEAMMATE: JORDAN SHIPLEY, WR, TEXAS LONGHORNS
GAME DAY RITUAL : Catches (132), yards (1,706) and touchdowns (20).
HIS TESTIMONY: One day during Shipley's freshman year, coach Mack Brown asked him if he thought a prep QB from West Texas was good enough to play in Austin. "I'd known Colt since we were 8," Shipley says. "I knew he was gifted, but, really, I wanted a good friend on the team."
Three years later, the off-field friendship -- they're fishing buddies, do charity work together, play Tom Petty songs on harmonicas -- has helped them on the field, too. "We know each other's tendencies so well, and that goes a long way in football," Shipley says.
Getty ImagesShipley and McCoy have been tight for over a decade.
Take a play during the first quarter of last year's Oklahoma State game. It's first down from the OSU 14, and McCoy calls a run in the huddle. "At the line, he looked at the defense and audibled to a screen to the outside receiver," Shipley says. "But then he gave me a nod and changed the play again. It was spur of the moment, and he didn't say a word. But I knew exactly where he was going." McCoy took the snap, stepped up and threw a fade to Shipley. Fourteen yards. Touchdown.
"I don't know if anyone else in the country can do what he can," says Shipley, who, along with Brandon Collins, Malcolm Williams and James Kirkendoll, is part of one of the strongest receiving corps in college football.
"He's the best there is."
THE EDITOR: CHRIS BEREND, DEPUTY EDITOR, ESPN THE MAGAZINE
GAME DAY RITUAL: "Saturday is stressful," says Berend, whose wife leaves their Brooklyn pad to him, his four UT friends and the couple's poodle, Barkley, dressed in a Colt McCoy sweater.
HIS TESTIMONY: The Mag's college football brain trust thought this story was their idea. That's what Berend, 34, wanted them to think. Truth is, he began planning this three years ago, when the UT alum joined The Mag. He needed them to believe they were the ones who saw something in the kid under center at Texas. Them. Not the guy with the burnt-orange No. 12 rubber ducky on his desk.
Courtesy Chris BerendMcCoy is a hero to UT-Austin expats everywhere, like Mag editor Berend.
He was patient, methodical. He proselytized at morning meetings and on e-mail chains, journalistic objectivity be damned. He erected a small shrine at his desk, subliminally planting images of Colt McCoy in the minds of the entire staff. He played inspirational highlight videos on his Mac and retold stories he'd read online about the guy he calls "America's only safe hero." It was all so transparent, so diabolically effective. You're reading this story, aren't you?
Last summer, Berend and The Mag were looking to pick the brains of some college players. Always obliging, Colt agreed to help. Little did he know, Berend's other motive was to get McCoy face time with one of our college football editors, just to seal the deal on this story. But then, in the presence of Colt, Berend clammed up. "I was speechless," he says. "I wanted to ask him what it feels like to run out of the tunnel, if he still talks to Vince Young, if he wanted to hang out with me. But I froze up. Not a word came out."
So, Chris, this is for a job well done: He gets nervous in the tunnel. Yes, he still talks to Vince. And, sure, you can hang anytime you're in town. Isn't it obvious? This man won't let you down.
Faust
MVP
http://www.nfldraftdayinsider.com/news/147...next-Drew-Brees
Colt McCoy the next Drew Brees?
Former NFL great Archie Manning told The Dallas Morning News that former Texas quarterback Colt McCoy reminds him "a lot of Drew Brees."
It's always risky to make comparisons such as this, but this one does make a lot of sense. Like McCoy, Brees had questions about his size and arm strength following his own record-setting collegiate career, however he cold also move around in the pocket and there were no questions regarding his accuracy.
Source: Dallas Morning News
Colt McCoy the next Drew Brees?
Former NFL great Archie Manning told The Dallas Morning News that former Texas quarterback Colt McCoy reminds him "a lot of Drew Brees."
It's always risky to make comparisons such as this, but this one does make a lot of sense. Like McCoy, Brees had questions about his size and arm strength following his own record-setting collegiate career, however he cold also move around in the pocket and there were no questions regarding his accuracy.
Source: Dallas Morning News
Faust
MVP
http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/Bree...5702/story.html
Brees inflates hopes of undersized QB prospect Colt McCoy
Former college star draws comparisons to Saints Super Bowl MVP and could prove to be a bargain in the NFL draft
By Jimmy Burch, McClatchy Newspapers
FORT WORTH, Texas - In the copycat world run by NFL executives, former Texas quarterback Colt McCoy may have caught a break in Super Bowl XLIV.
At least that is the opinion of Gil Brandt, personnel analyst for NFL.com.
Like many peers who draw paychecks as NFL talent evaluators, Brandt compares McCoy - winner of the 2009 Davey O'Brien National Quarterback Award - to Drew Brees, the New Orleans Saints' accurate-but-undersized quarterback who became a Super Bowl MVP by leading his team to a 31-17 upset of the Indianapolis Colts.
McCoy (6-foot-2, 215 pounds) is two inches taller than Brees (6-0, 209). But he remains short by NFL standards, where Colts quarterback Peyton Manning (6-5, 230) is considered the prototype.
Manning, of course, was outplayed by Brees - arguably the league's shortest starting quarterback - during that game. Brees completed 32 of 39 passes for 288 yards and two touchdowns, without an interception.
Brandt said Brees's prime-time performance should make NFL executives take a closer look at McCoy, who set an NCAA record for career victories by a starting quarterback (45) and finished with a career completion rate of 70.3 per cent, before pulling the trigger in favour of a taller quarterback in the 2010 NFL Draft.
"I think it opens some eyes. No question about it," said Brandt, the former Dallas Cowboys director of player personnel. "To me, Colt is Drew Brees on the field and Drew Brees off the field. But he's about two and a half inches taller and he's faster."
For undersized quarterbacks, Brandt said Brees's emergence as a Super Bowl winner could have similar repercussions to the Cowboys' decision to select Bob Hayes, an Olympic sprint champion, with a seventh-round pick in the 1964 draft. Despite a limited football background in college, Hayes morphed into a 2009 inductee into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
"This is like when we drafted Hayes," Brandt said of Brees's potential impact on future NFL thinking. "After that, everyone started drafting those kinds of receivers. People emulate what has proven to be successful ... in every business, including the football business."
In Brandt's estimation, that could boost McCoy's stock in relation to taller quarterbacks who will join him at the NFL Combine, Feb. 24 through March 2 in Indianapolis. But that does not prevent ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr. from projecting Oklahoma's Sam Bradford (6-4, 223) and Notre Dame's Jimmy Clausen (6-3, 223) as the top two quarterbacks available in the draft.
Kiper projects both players as first-round picks likely to be taken among the top 10 overall selections. Kiper rates McCoy as the third-best quarterback prospect but not as a first-round pick.
Todd McShay, ESPN Scouts Inc. director of college scouting, goes even further, saying "there's not a lot of elite quarterback prospects" available in the 2010 draft. After Bradford and Clausen, McShay said, "You have a little bit of a drop-off" in the quarterback talent pool, especially with McCoy coming off a pinched nerve in his throwing shoulder that knocked him out of the Jan. 7 BCS National Championship Game in his final college start.
"I think Colt McCoy is a second-or third-rounder," McShay said.
Brandt said he views Mc-Coy as a potential "top 10 guy" worthy of a first-round pick because of his work ethic, accuracy, leadership skills and long-term value. In short, the same attributes he admires most in Brees, a second-round pick by San Diego in the 2001 draft.
Brandt is far from alone in making the connection. Archie Manning, a former Saints player who is Peyton's father, got to know McCoy last summer at the Manning Passing Academy in Thibodaux, La. The elder Manning echoed the McCoy-Brees comparisons, saying Mc-Coy "reminds me a lot of Drew Brees," because both players are accurate passers with quick releases who have "better arm strength" than scouts acknowledge.
Brad McCoy, Colt's father, said the Brees comparisons "can't hurt" as his son prepares to begin his NFL career.
Colt McCoy said he has heard the Brees comparisons, understands them and embraces them. But he knows he must prove his mettle to scouts after departing with an injury five plays into Texas's 37-21 loss to Alabama in the BCS title game.
He said he is "fully confident" he will be able to do so, either at the combine or during individual workouts later this spring.
Brees inflates hopes of undersized QB prospect Colt McCoy
Former college star draws comparisons to Saints Super Bowl MVP and could prove to be a bargain in the NFL draft
By Jimmy Burch, McClatchy Newspapers
FORT WORTH, Texas - In the copycat world run by NFL executives, former Texas quarterback Colt McCoy may have caught a break in Super Bowl XLIV.
At least that is the opinion of Gil Brandt, personnel analyst for NFL.com.
Like many peers who draw paychecks as NFL talent evaluators, Brandt compares McCoy - winner of the 2009 Davey O'Brien National Quarterback Award - to Drew Brees, the New Orleans Saints' accurate-but-undersized quarterback who became a Super Bowl MVP by leading his team to a 31-17 upset of the Indianapolis Colts.
McCoy (6-foot-2, 215 pounds) is two inches taller than Brees (6-0, 209). But he remains short by NFL standards, where Colts quarterback Peyton Manning (6-5, 230) is considered the prototype.
Manning, of course, was outplayed by Brees - arguably the league's shortest starting quarterback - during that game. Brees completed 32 of 39 passes for 288 yards and two touchdowns, without an interception.
Brandt said Brees's prime-time performance should make NFL executives take a closer look at McCoy, who set an NCAA record for career victories by a starting quarterback (45) and finished with a career completion rate of 70.3 per cent, before pulling the trigger in favour of a taller quarterback in the 2010 NFL Draft.
"I think it opens some eyes. No question about it," said Brandt, the former Dallas Cowboys director of player personnel. "To me, Colt is Drew Brees on the field and Drew Brees off the field. But he's about two and a half inches taller and he's faster."
For undersized quarterbacks, Brandt said Brees's emergence as a Super Bowl winner could have similar repercussions to the Cowboys' decision to select Bob Hayes, an Olympic sprint champion, with a seventh-round pick in the 1964 draft. Despite a limited football background in college, Hayes morphed into a 2009 inductee into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
"This is like when we drafted Hayes," Brandt said of Brees's potential impact on future NFL thinking. "After that, everyone started drafting those kinds of receivers. People emulate what has proven to be successful ... in every business, including the football business."
In Brandt's estimation, that could boost McCoy's stock in relation to taller quarterbacks who will join him at the NFL Combine, Feb. 24 through March 2 in Indianapolis. But that does not prevent ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr. from projecting Oklahoma's Sam Bradford (6-4, 223) and Notre Dame's Jimmy Clausen (6-3, 223) as the top two quarterbacks available in the draft.
Kiper projects both players as first-round picks likely to be taken among the top 10 overall selections. Kiper rates McCoy as the third-best quarterback prospect but not as a first-round pick.
Todd McShay, ESPN Scouts Inc. director of college scouting, goes even further, saying "there's not a lot of elite quarterback prospects" available in the 2010 draft. After Bradford and Clausen, McShay said, "You have a little bit of a drop-off" in the quarterback talent pool, especially with McCoy coming off a pinched nerve in his throwing shoulder that knocked him out of the Jan. 7 BCS National Championship Game in his final college start.
"I think Colt McCoy is a second-or third-rounder," McShay said.
Brandt said he views Mc-Coy as a potential "top 10 guy" worthy of a first-round pick because of his work ethic, accuracy, leadership skills and long-term value. In short, the same attributes he admires most in Brees, a second-round pick by San Diego in the 2001 draft.
Brandt is far from alone in making the connection. Archie Manning, a former Saints player who is Peyton's father, got to know McCoy last summer at the Manning Passing Academy in Thibodaux, La. The elder Manning echoed the McCoy-Brees comparisons, saying Mc-Coy "reminds me a lot of Drew Brees," because both players are accurate passers with quick releases who have "better arm strength" than scouts acknowledge.
Brad McCoy, Colt's father, said the Brees comparisons "can't hurt" as his son prepares to begin his NFL career.
Colt McCoy said he has heard the Brees comparisons, understands them and embraces them. But he knows he must prove his mettle to scouts after departing with an injury five plays into Texas's 37-21 loss to Alabama in the BCS title game.
He said he is "fully confident" he will be able to do so, either at the combine or during individual workouts later this spring.
Black
Footballguy
It was not a pain issue that kept him out of the Nat'l Championship game. He could not grip the ball or throw it well. His arm was somewhat of a noodle after the hit. He was in the locker room for most of the 1st half hoping to get feeling back in his arm and trying to throw the ball. I had read somewhere he even wanted to go back into the game, even if just as a decoy.
So, it wasn't an issue of grit. He's a tough kid.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls09/colu...&id=4807219
Domination
Footballguy
I think that he will be a successful QB in the pros.
If you go by his numbers, he would be a perfect fit for Parcells in Miami.
If you go by his numbers, he would be a perfect fit for Parcells in Miami.
Comfortable Shoes
Footballguy
What numbers? The number of calories he represents?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Because he's a wuss with no heart that got hit once in the biggest game of his life and like a little sissy coward he went out and his entourage got around him and told him not to continue on so to not hurt his draft stock...the guy is gutless. Then you add in a noodle arm and you got a guy that has almost zero chance to make it in the NFL. What a joke.
My internet was down the night of the Champiosnhip game and I didn't get a chance to vent back then...I really soured on him after watching him do that...I can't ever imagine this guy leading a team to a Championship in the NFL, not ever.
My internet was down the night of the Champiosnhip game and I didn't get a chance to vent back then...I really soured on him after watching him do that...I can't ever imagine this guy leading a team to a Championship in the NFL, not ever.
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Black
Footballguy
I watched the last two year's worth of UT games and I've got to disagree with you on this. Not in your internet being down...that's all you. But the first part, I don't see it.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Come on MOP. You have no idea what transpired inside his body, how hurt he was or wasn't. And you are simply projecting your feelings of anger onto the situation. You have no idea what happened, only Colt and his dad really do. One play does not a career make. You are being childish here and coming off as jaded. You are better than that.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Parcells has a formula he uses that includes college wins, games started, accuracy percentage, etc when evaluating QB talent.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Because he's short. If he was 6'4" he'd be a top of the 1st round pick.
kaa
Footballguy
Colt McCoy vs Jimmy Claussen
Claussen has the stronger arm.
Claussen ran a pro offense and is good at reading defenses.
McCoy is a better runner.
Or let's turn the question around and ask "why will they bust?"
Claussen will bust if his arm isn't strong enough for what you're trying to do. But I've watched some film of him and I definitely think its arm is NFL quality. This isn't Brady Quinn.
Claussen will bust if he melts down like Ryan Leaf. Some people for whatever reason are worried that he has punky attitude problems, but I not sure what would make people think that.
McCoy will bust if his arm isn't strong enough for what you're trying to do. But I think its weaker than Claussen's. So if arm strength is your priority, you take Claussen.
McCoy will bust if he can't grasp the pro game. And I don't know how to determine if he is able to do that or not.
Claussen has the stronger arm.
Claussen ran a pro offense and is good at reading defenses.
McCoy is a better runner.
Or let's turn the question around and ask "why will they bust?"
Claussen will bust if his arm isn't strong enough for what you're trying to do. But I've watched some film of him and I definitely think its arm is NFL quality. This isn't Brady Quinn.
Claussen will bust if he melts down like Ryan Leaf. Some people for whatever reason are worried that he has punky attitude problems, but I not sure what would make people think that.
McCoy will bust if his arm isn't strong enough for what you're trying to do. But I think its weaker than Claussen's. So if arm strength is your priority, you take Claussen.
McCoy will bust if he can't grasp the pro game. And I don't know how to determine if he is able to do that or not.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
You're right Saber I don't know...but here is what I do know. It wasn't bad enough that he put it in a sling. he didn't have surgery performed. IMO he could have played the next day if he wanted to. Biggest display of no heart I've seen in awhile.
Adebisi
Footballguy
It sounds like your opinion of Colt McCoy might be drastically different if only he'd chosen to wear a sling on the sideline immediately following the injury. Bizarre.
Cassius
Footballguy
Adding this to your list of areas of expertise. Getting pretty diverse now - NFL scouting, American civil and criminal procedure, sports medicine, and fruits & vegetables.
Comfortable Shoes
Footballguy
Yeah, Sean!
Tau837
Footballguy
I thought it was UK criminal procedure.
McCoy will have to go to the right system for him to be successful. You usually don't have to say that for top prospects. Colt developed a bad habit of sometimes throwing off his back foot instead of stepping into his throws. He also struggled a lot in the first halves of some of their games this past yr, even against the cupcake teams in the beginning of the year. That should not happen to 4 yr starting qbs who want to be considered a top qb prospect.
Black
Footballguy
I will quote my post from above, since it details the injury. It was not a 'sling-worthy' injury. It was a nerve issue, and had nothing to do with pain...he just couldn't throw. It was not a pain issue that kept him out of the Nat'l Championship game. He could not grip the ball or throw it well. His arm was somewhat of a noodle after the hit. He was in the locker room for most of the 1st half hoping to get feeling back in his arm and trying to throw the ball. I had read somewhere he even wanted to go back into the game, even if just as a decoy.
So, it wasn't an issue of grit. He's a tough kid.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls09/colu...&id=4807219
What is the average height for the starting QBs (not all QBs just those that actually start).
Garrard is 6'1". Favre, Rodgers, Romo, McNabb, and Warner are all 6'2" and of course Brees who is 6'0"
All of those guys are top NFL QBs, so I don't buy the talk he is too short crap. 1 inch won't make a difference IMO.
His success in the NFL will not depend on his stature.
Garrard is 6'1". Favre, Rodgers, Romo, McNabb, and Warner are all 6'2" and of course Brees who is 6'0"
All of those guys are top NFL QBs, so I don't buy the talk he is too short crap. 1 inch won't make a difference IMO.
His success in the NFL will not depend on his stature.
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Getinthemix
Footballguy
He could not grip the football. What the hell is a sling going to do for that doctor?
Jeff Haseley
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McCoy never had less than a 65% completion percentage in his four years at Texas. In 08 it was 76.7% and 70.6 in 09. He may not have a rifle arm, but I believe his accuracy and his ability to be mobile will give defenses problems in the NFL. I think he can be a good NFL QB if he is on a team that does not necessarily look to attack downfield as the first and primary means of passing the ball. For example, the Jets (if they needed a QB) or possibly Cleveland. I think he could adapt into a downfield passer, but it's not his expertise. Some team, whether it's BUF, JAC, OAK, KC, ARI, CLE etc, will take a chance on McCoy. He's flying under the radar right now, but some question his ability to make decisions under pressure.
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Black
Footballguy
Well said. I think the bolded issue is ultimately the question for every QB coming out of college. That and the ability to learn to read defenses and have the instincts to react, pocket presence, etc. My biggest concern with Bradford (for instance) is he rarely had to move behind that incredible OK line, and even Brady did 'ok' after Bradford was lost for the season in 2009. I think Colt did have to move a bit at times, so there might be more tape on him in pressure situations.My biggest concern for Colt is can he learn more complex reads (more than just 1/2 the field) and can he make those big throws. If he gets the brainy stuff down, he can at least be a Pennington type.
NorrisB
Footballguy
Thats easy to do when you play against the cupcakes Texas schedules OOC and the Big 12 hasnt exactly been great defensively
Last year's OOC schedule was very weak, but other years it is on par with most top teams. One factor that skews McCoy's completion pct is the number of wr screens that Texas runs. When I try to evaluate college qbs I usually ignore stats. Too many colleges run a form of the spread offense that distorts their stats to a degree. I try to watch their games vs top competition to get a better read on them. It's easy to pad stats when throwing the ball 70% of the time or like in Bradford's case having the coach call the play and give you the defensive read for you while playing pitch and catch while playing behind a stud OL. I question McCoy's pocket presence and I question Bradford's ability to handle defensive pressure. I don't see a without a doubt a true franchise type of qb in this draft. McCoy, Bradford and Claussen may eventually develop into one, but not one I would want to spend a top 10 pick on and hope they do.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
And to top it off, when he played Nebraska in the Big XII championship (easily the best pass D he played all year) he went 20/36 for 184 yards and 3 INTs
Harry Frogfish
Footballguy
Harry Frogfish
Footballguy
Great thread to read again, btw, thanks for the bump Faust.
A number of posts were deleted in this one, btw. Not sure why.
A number of posts were deleted in this one, btw. Not sure why.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
Narrator: "Turns out...he wasn't a top prospect. But he was a top earner in the United States."
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
It looks like at least one poster was close to being on the money with McCoy, still a disgrace what he did in the National Title game.
Thanks HG for finding this
zamboni
Footballguy
Sounds a bit shady about McCoy.
