Why isn't Cris Carter in the HOF (1 Viewer)

[Hov34]

Seriously what is the deal?

Why was he not a first ballot Hall of Famer?

 

[perry147]

Seriously what is the deal? Why was he not a first ballot Hall of Famer?

It's simple, his stats in the NFL are not enough to outweigh the drug usage issue that overhangs his HOF ballot. He is a great player and without the drugs in his past I think he would be in, but he is not LT( who literally changed the game) who had drug issues and was still elected to the HOF.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

there is no good reason. he'll get in this year.

 

[Tau837]

there is no good reason. he'll get in this year.

 

[PatsFanCT]

He was being made an example of, to show the new trouble making generation that it takes more than having the great stats. He'll definitely get in, probably this year, but if not, very soon.

 

[greenline]

My favorite WR of all-time and I think he should be in -- no question.

 

[Buffaloes]

Seriously what is the deal? Why was he not a first ballot Hall of Famer?

It's simple, his stats in the NFL are not enough to outweigh the drug usage issue that overhangs his HOF ballot. He is a great player and without the drugs in his past I think he would be in, but he is not LT( who literally changed the game) who had drug issues and was still elected to the HOF.

He was a better WR than Michael Irvin, though right?

 

[greenline]

Seriously what is the deal? Why was he not a first ballot Hall of Famer?

It's simple, his stats in the NFL are not enough to outweigh the drug usage issue that overhangs his HOF ballot. He is a great player and without the drugs in his past I think he would be in, but he is not LT( who literally changed the game) who had drug issues and was still elected to the HOF.

He was a better WR than Michael Irvin, though right?

I was going to say the same thing but I'm sure the rings are a weighing factor as well.

 

[mozzy84]

Him whining about it on inside the nfl last year was pretty lame or the way he was doing it was. He'll get in this year probably or he should anyways.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Irvin had rings.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Seriously what is the deal? Why was he not a first ballot Hall of Famer?

It's simple, his stats in the NFL are not enough to outweigh the drug usage issue that overhangs his HOF ballot. He is a great player and without the drugs in his past I think he would be in, but he is not LT( who literally changed the game) who had drug issues and was still elected to the HOF.

He was a better WR than Michael Irvin, though right?

By far. And damn good point.

 

[Sweet Love]

Seriously what is the deal? Why was he not a first ballot Hall of Famer?

It's simple, his stats in the NFL are not enough to outweigh the drug usage issue that overhangs his HOF ballot. He is a great player and without the drugs in his past I think he would be in, but he is not LT( who literally changed the game) who had drug issues and was still elected to the HOF.

Interestingly enough, if not for the drug issues, he may not have turned out to be as good as he was. Buddy Ryan cut him do to that (don't believe the "he only catches TDs nonsense...he was protecting Carter), and he landed with a team that chose to feature him. If he landed with the NY Giants at the time (for example), he would not have 1/2 the stats he ended up with.

 

[jasvic]

I would think the fact that he turned his life around early in his career and then excelled should be a good example for other players, not a penalty.

 

[Chaka]

He was being made an example of, to show the new trouble making generation that it takes more than having the great stats. He'll definitely get in, probably this year, but if not, very soon.

How early in his career did he have the drug problem? Did it follow him after he left Philly? How long was he clean and a model citizen while still producing at an incredibly high level?How is a guy like Irvin, a much weaker all around receiver, given an exception, with much weaker stats, just because he was lucky enough to be on a dominating team yet guys like Carter and Art Monk are made to wait?If they wanted to make an example of someone Irvin was the perfect candidate. They aren't making an example of anyone, the voters are just idiots.

 

[mbuehner]

He was being made an example of, to show the new trouble making generation that it takes more than having the great stats. He'll definitely get in, probably this year, but if not, very soon.

How early in his career did he have the drug problem? Did it follow him after he left Philly? How long was he clean and a model citizen while still producing at an incredibly high level?How is a guy like Irvin, a much weaker all around receiver, given an exception, with much weaker stats, just because he was lucky enough to be on a dominating team yet guys like Carter and Art Monk are made to wait?

If they wanted to make an example of someone Irvin was the perfect candidate. They aren't making an example of anyone, the voters are just idiots.

You can't compare Chris Carter and Art Monk (which is another great reason Carter will get in soon). Monk is closer to Michael Irvin statistically. Carter had twice as many TDs as either, although Irvin played a few less years. A lot of things Carter could do could be mentioned in the same breath as Jerry Rice. Art Monk at his best probably couldn't start for the Cardinals this season.

 

[daveandken]

Seriously what is the deal? Why was he not a first ballot Hall of Famer?

It's simple, his stats in the NFL are not enough to outweigh the drug usage issue that overhangs his HOF ballot. He is a great player and without the drugs in his past I think he would be in, but he is not LT( who literally changed the game) who had drug issues and was still elected to the HOF.

He was a better WR than Michael Irvin, though right?

By far. And damn good point.

By far? No. Similar talents.

 

[Facecow]

My favorite WR of all-time and I think he should be in -- no question.

 

[PatsFanCT]

He was being made an example of, to show the new trouble making generation that it takes more than having the great stats. He'll definitely get in, probably this year, but if not, very soon.

How early in his career did he have the drug problem? Did it follow him after he left Philly? How long was he clean and a model citizen while still producing at an incredibly high level?How is a guy like Irvin, a much weaker all around receiver, given an exception, with much weaker stats, just because he was lucky enough to be on a dominating team yet guys like Carter and Art Monk are made to wait?If they wanted to make an example of someone Irvin was the perfect candidate. They aren't making an example of anyone, the voters are just idiots.

Irvin was already in the Hall before this new breed of thugs got into the league. I could be totally wrong, and probably am, but that's the only reason I can think of why this guy wasn't a first ballot HOF'er. It makes no sense.

 

[daveandken]

He was being made an example of, to show the new trouble making generation that it takes more than having the great stats. He'll definitely get in, probably this year, but if not, very soon.

How early in his career did he have the drug problem? Did it follow him after he left Philly? How long was he clean and a model citizen while still producing at an incredibly high level?How is a guy like Irvin, a much weaker all around receiver, given an exception, with much weaker stats, just because he was lucky enough to be on a dominating team yet guys like Carter and Art Monk are made to wait?If they wanted to make an example of someone Irvin was the perfect candidate. They aren't making an example of anyone, the voters are just idiots.

Irvin was already in the Hall before this new breed of thugs got into the league. I could be totally wrong, and probably am, but that's the only reason I can think of why this guy wasn't a first ballot HOF'er. It makes no sense.

Irvin was inducted last year. Which 'thugs' weren't around then?

 

[Nemesis]

It's the Hall of Fame.........there IS no shame in getting into the Hall on the 2nd or 3rd or 4th or.........10th yr of eligibility.

Personally, I think there are too many "this guy is a 1st ballot HOF'er lock" players coming down the pike in the next couple of years. By a pure numbers standpoint, some players are going to have to wait as there are many other deserving players, coaches, owners, and league officials.

 

[PatsFanCT]

He was being made an example of, to show the new trouble making generation that it takes more than having the great stats. He'll definitely get in, probably this year, but if not, very soon.

How early in his career did he have the drug problem? Did it follow him after he left Philly? How long was he clean and a model citizen while still producing at an incredibly high level?How is a guy like Irvin, a much weaker all around receiver, given an exception, with much weaker stats, just because he was lucky enough to be on a dominating team yet guys like Carter and Art Monk are made to wait?If they wanted to make an example of someone Irvin was the perfect candidate. They aren't making an example of anyone, the voters are just idiots.

Irvin was already in the Hall before this new breed of thugs got into the league. I could be totally wrong, and probably am, but that's the only reason I can think of why this guy wasn't a first ballot HOF'er. It makes no sense.

Irvin was inducted last year. Which 'thugs' weren't around then?

Oops. Please disregard everything I posted in this thread.Carry on.

 

[dparker713]

Pretty sure Irvin didnt get in first ballot. There is a limit to the number of players that are elected each year, think its 3-7 which I think is silly. If a guy is a HOFer, elect him when hes eligible. Everyone should have 1 year of eligibility to get rid of all this nonsense.

 

[Monk81]

Why isn't Gary Clark in the HOF?

 

[Chaka]

He was being made an example of, to show the new trouble making generation that it takes more than having the great stats. He'll definitely get in, probably this year, but if not, very soon.

How early in his career did he have the drug problem? Did it follow him after he left Philly? How long was he clean and a model citizen while still producing at an incredibly high level?How is a guy like Irvin, a much weaker all around receiver, given an exception, with much weaker stats, just because he was lucky enough to be on a dominating team yet guys like Carter and Art Monk are made to wait?

If they wanted to make an example of someone Irvin was the perfect candidate. They aren't making an example of anyone, the voters are just idiots.

You can't compare Chris Carter and Art Monk (which is another great reason Carter will get in soon). Monk is closer to Michael Irvin statistically. Carter had twice as many TDs as either, although Irvin played a few less years. A lot of things Carter could do could be mentioned in the same breath as Jerry Rice. Art Monk at his best probably couldn't start for the Cardinals this season.

I agree that Carter is the most talented of the three, which only makes it more baffling as to why he is being made to wait a year. Are they going to keep Tim Brown out for a few years too?

 

[Chaka]

Why isn't Gary Clark in the HOF?

It's a valid question. Ever since they let Lynn Swann in the bar has been significantly lowered on getting into the Hall. I love Swanny but no way does he deserve to be in the Hall. He got in based on two catches and four rings, another beneficiary of being on a dominating team.

 

[perry147]

Why isn't Gary Clark in the HOF?

It's a valid question. Ever since they let Lynn Swann in the bar has been significantly lowered on getting into the Hall. I love Swanny but no way does he deserve to be in the Hall. He got in based on two catches and four rings, another beneficiary of being on a dominating team.

The watering down of the HOF is just sad.

 

[Workhorse]

Because all Cris Carter does is catch touchdowns.

 

[Touchdown Syndrome]

I naively thought Carter was a lock to get into the HOF on his first shot, but evidently, the voters are hesitant to let guys in on the 1st ballot, unless they are mega-star no-brainers (Elway, Montana). Statistically he's one of the 3 or 4 greatest WRs ever (kills Irvin's #'s,no comparison), which makes him a shoo-in to get in on his next try. Of course, there's always the "petty, self-important sports writer" factor, which lends some unpredictability to the equation.

 

[Andy Herron]

It's not like he's been snubbed time and time again, year after year. He'll certainly get in, and is unquestionably worthy.

So he didn't get in on the first ballot. No big deal in the end. I'll go out on a limb and say he'll go in this time around.

 

[Rodeojones]

My favorite WR of all-time and I think he should be in -- no question.

and I love him on ESPN.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I naively thought Carter was a lock to get into the HOF on his first shot, but evidently, the voters are hesitant to let guys in on the 1st ballot, unless they are mega-star no-brainers (Elway, Montana). Statistically he's one of the 3 or 4 greatest WRs ever (kills Irvin's #'s,no comparison), which makes him a shoo-in to get in on his next try. Of course, there's always the "petty, self-important sports writer" factor, which lends some unpredictability to the equation.

I think there's a lot of room for debate about whether Carter is statistically one of the five greatest WRs ever.

 

[Tau837]

Why isn't Gary Clark in the HOF?

Because he doesn't deserve to be.

 

[Tau837]

I naively thought Carter was a lock to get into the HOF on his first shot, but evidently, the voters are hesitant to let guys in on the 1st ballot, unless they are mega-star no-brainers (Elway, Montana). Statistically he's one of the 3 or 4 greatest WRs ever (kills Irvin's #'s,no comparison), which makes him a shoo-in to get in on his next try. Of course, there's always the "petty, self-important sports writer" factor, which lends some unpredictability to the equation.

I think there's a lot of room for debate about whether Carter is statistically one of the five greatest WRs ever.

Off the top of my head, I would rank Rice, Hutson, Moss, Harrison, Owens, and Largent ahead of him. (I know many may disagree with Largent.) Some might argue that Bruce and Tim Brown are/were better.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

all he does is catch touchdowns ... why would he be in the "Hall"?

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Why isn't Gary Clark in the HOF?

It's a valid question. Ever since they let Lynn Swann in the bar has been significantly lowered on getting into the Hall. I love Swanny but no way does he deserve to be in the Hall. He got in based on two catches and four rings, another beneficiary of being on a dominating team.

The watering down of the HOF is just sad.

I don't know if it's "Watering down" or overrating rings. Anyone who has played knows that football is the epitome of team sports. I really don't think rings should play any part in determining an individual players' greatness. You need look no further than Barry Sanders.

 

[Rodeojones]

I naively thought Carter was a lock to get into the HOF on his first shot, but evidently, the voters are hesitant to let guys in on the 1st ballot, unless they are mega-star no-brainers (Elway, Montana). Statistically he's one of the 3 or 4 greatest WRs ever (kills Irvin's #'s,no comparison), which makes him a shoo-in to get in on his next try. Of course, there's always the "petty, self-important sports writer" factor, which lends some unpredictability to the equation.

I think there's a lot of room for debate about whether Carter is statistically one of the five greatest WRs ever.

Off the top of my head, I would rank Rice, Hutson, Moss, Harrison, Owens, and Largent ahead of him. (I know many may disagree with Largent.) Some might argue that Bruce and Tim Brown are/were better.

Cut and pasted from WikipediaCarter finished No. 2 behind Jerry Rice in career receptions (1,101) and touchdowns (130) by a receiver. He is one of only 4 players in NFL History with 1,000 or more receptions (1,101). He is the only player to record 120+ receptions in a season twice (1994 & 1995). He also holds the record for most touchdown passes caught by African American passers, 73(Randall Cunningham, Warren Moon, Daunte Culpepper, Randy Moss). He was named to the NFL 1990s All-Decade Team. Carter was one of fifteen finalists for the Pro Football Hall of Fame class of 2008, but was not elected in a surprise to some commentators. He is expected to eventually be inducted.

Some pretty impressive numbers and with Rice as the exception..would disagree with the players you listed above. Career receptions and touch downs alone should quiet the HOF doubters.

 

[Tau837]

I naively thought Carter was a lock to get into the HOF on his first shot, but evidently, the voters are hesitant to let guys in on the 1st ballot, unless they are mega-star no-brainers (Elway, Montana). Statistically he's one of the 3 or 4 greatest WRs ever (kills Irvin's #'s,no comparison), which makes him a shoo-in to get in on his next try. Of course, there's always the "petty, self-important sports writer" factor, which lends some unpredictability to the equation.

I think there's a lot of room for debate about whether Carter is statistically one of the five greatest WRs ever.

Off the top of my head, I would rank Rice, Hutson, Moss, Harrison, Owens, and Largent ahead of him. (I know many may disagree with Largent.) Some might argue that Bruce and Tim Brown are/were better.

Cut and pasted from WikipediaCarter finished No. 2 behind Jerry Rice in career receptions (1,101) and touchdowns (130) by a receiver. He is one of only 4 players in NFL History with 1,000 or more receptions (1,101). He is the only player to record 120+ receptions in a season twice (1994 & 1995). He also holds the record for most touchdown passes caught by African American passers, 73(Randall Cunningham, Warren Moon, Daunte Culpepper, Randy Moss). He was named to the NFL 1990s All-Decade Team. Carter was one of fifteen finalists for the Pro Football Hall of Fame class of 2008, but was not elected in a surprise to some commentators. He is expected to eventually be inducted.

Some pretty impressive numbers and with Rice as the exception..would disagree with the players you listed above. Career receptions and touch downs alone should quiet the HOF doubters.

I am well aware of Carter's numbers. I think he's a Hall of Famer.I think you are saying you'd disagree with all the players I listed except Rice. Is that correct?

Consider the following:

Carter: 1101/13899/130 (12.6 ypr) in 234 games (209 starts); 2 1st team All Pro selections

Harrison: 1087/14422/127 (13.3 ypr) in 187 games (173 starts); 3 1st team All Pro selections

Owens: 929/13788/136 (14.8 ypr) in 184 games (158 starts); 5 1st team All Pro selections

Moss: 828/12933/132 (15.6 ypr) in 165 games (148 starts); 4 1st team All Pro selections

Largent: 819/13089/100 (16.0 ypr) in 200 games (197 starts); 1 1st team All Pro selection

Bruce: 976/14667/89 (15.0 ypr) in 207 games (180 starts); 0 1st team All Pro selections

Brown: 1094/14934/100 (13.7 ypr) in 255 games (202 starts); 0 1st team All Pro selections

Those numbers are as of today, and obviously Harrison, Moss, Owens, and Bruce are still adding to theirs.

Huston played in a different era, so his numbers are hard to compare: 488/7991/99 (16.4 ypr) in 116 games (60 starts). Yes, 99 TDs in 116 games. He was also 1st team All Pro 8 times in 11 career seasons, and he won 2 MVP awards. IMO Rice and Hutson are in another tier above the rest.

Like I said before, some might argue for Bruce and Brown. I did not list them in my group I'd rank ahead of Carter.

I also said that many would disagree with Largent. However, Largent played much of his career before the rule changes that opened up the passing game, and also played his entire career for an expansion franchise that began in his rookie year. And I doubt many people around here would have known that Largent would have the best ypr average among all of these modern era players.

Speaking of ypr, Carter's is the worst among all of these players, and mostly by a wide margin. The other players gain on him there.

 

[Doug Drinen]

He also holds the record for most touchdown passes caught by African American passers, 73(Randall Cunningham, Warren Moon, Daunte Culpepper, Randy Moss).

Well that's one I hadn't heard before. If you count postseason games, I think Moss and Carter are tied with 77. In case anyone is curious, the next players on the list are Carl Pickens (49), Ernest Givins (46), Joe Horn (46), and Drew Hill (44).

 

[a_troll00]

Chris Carter isn't in the Hall of Fame because he played most of his career in a flyover city.

Discussion closed

 

[Rodeojones]

I naively thought Carter was a lock to get into the HOF on his first shot, but evidently, the voters are hesitant to let guys in on the 1st ballot, unless they are mega-star no-brainers (Elway, Montana). Statistically he's one of the 3 or 4 greatest WRs ever (kills Irvin's #'s,no comparison), which makes him a shoo-in to get in on his next try. Of course, there's always the "petty, self-important sports writer" factor, which lends some unpredictability to the equation.

I think there's a lot of room for debate about whether Carter is statistically one of the five greatest WRs ever.

Off the top of my head, I would rank Rice, Hutson, Moss, Harrison, Owens, and Largent ahead of him. (I know many may disagree with Largent.) Some might argue that Bruce and Tim Brown are/were better.

Cut and pasted from WikipediaCarter finished No. 2 behind Jerry Rice in career receptions (1,101) and touchdowns (130) by a receiver. He is one of only 4 players in NFL History with 1,000 or more receptions (1,101). He is the only player to record 120+ receptions in a season twice (1994 & 1995). He also holds the record for most touchdown passes caught by African American passers, 73(Randall Cunningham, Warren Moon, Daunte Culpepper, Randy Moss). He was named to the NFL 1990s All-Decade Team. Carter was one of fifteen finalists for the Pro Football Hall of Fame class of 2008, but was not elected in a surprise to some commentators. He is expected to eventually be inducted.

Some pretty impressive numbers and with Rice as the exception..would disagree with the players you listed above. Career receptions and touch downs alone should quiet the HOF doubters.

I am well aware of Carter's numbers. I think he's a Hall of Famer.I think you are saying you'd disagree with all the players I listed except Rice. Is that correct?

Consider the following:

Carter: 1101/13899/130 (12.6 ypr) in 234 games (209 starts); 2 1st team All Pro selections

Harrison: 1087/14422/127 (13.3 ypr) in 187 games (173 starts); 3 1st team All Pro selections

Owens: 929/13788/136 (14.8 ypr) in 184 games (158 starts); 5 1st team All Pro selections

Moss: 828/12933/132 (15.6 ypr) in 165 games (148 starts); 4 1st team All Pro selections

Largent: 819/13089/100 (16.0 ypr) in 200 games (197 starts); 1 1st team All Pro selection

Bruce: 976/14667/89 (15.0 ypr) in 207 games (180 starts); 0 1st team All Pro selections

Brown: 1094/14934/100 (13.7 ypr) in 255 games (202 starts); 0 1st team All Pro selections

Those numbers are as of today, and obviously Harrison, Moss, Owens, and Bruce are still adding to theirs.

Huston played in a different era, so his numbers are hard to compare: 488/7991/99 (16.4 ypr) in 116 games (60 starts). Yes, 99 TDs in 116 games. He was also 1st team All Pro 8 times in 11 career seasons, and he won 2 MVP awards. IMO Rice and Hutson are in another tier above the rest.

Like I said before, some might argue for Bruce and Brown. I did not list them in my group I'd rank ahead of Carter.

I also said that many would disagree with Largent. However, Largent played much of his career before the rule changes that opened up the passing game, and also played his entire career for an expansion franchise that began in his rookie year. And I doubt many people around here would have known that Largent would have the best ypr average among all of these modern era players.

Speaking of ypr, Carter's is the worst among all of these players, and mostly by a wide margin. The other players gain on him there.

I was simply responding to you saying you would rank the above players ahead of Carter, not that I would exclude any of them from the HOF.

 

[Mr. Mojo]

Seriously what is the deal? Why was he not a first ballot Hall of Famer?

It's simple, his stats in the NFL are not enough to outweigh the drug usage issue that overhangs his HOF ballot. He is a great player and without the drugs in his past I think he would be in, but he is not LT( who literally changed the game) who had drug issues and was still elected to the HOF.

He was a better WR than Michael Irvin, though right?

By far. And damn good point.

Aikman got in on first ballot for the rings.He wasn't even the best Cowboy QB ever.

 

[Tau837]

I naively thought Carter was a lock to get into the HOF on his first shot, but evidently, the voters are hesitant to let guys in on the 1st ballot, unless they are mega-star no-brainers (Elway, Montana). Statistically he's one of the 3 or 4 greatest WRs ever (kills Irvin's #'s,no comparison), which makes him a shoo-in to get in on his next try. Of course, there's always the "petty, self-important sports writer" factor, which lends some unpredictability to the equation.

I think there's a lot of room for debate about whether Carter is statistically one of the five greatest WRs ever.

Off the top of my head, I would rank Rice, Hutson, Moss, Harrison, Owens, and Largent ahead of him. (I know many may disagree with Largent.) Some might argue that Bruce and Tim Brown are/were better.

Cut and pasted from WikipediaCarter finished No. 2 behind Jerry Rice in career receptions (1,101) and touchdowns (130) by a receiver. He is one of only 4 players in NFL History with 1,000 or more receptions (1,101). He is the only player to record 120+ receptions in a season twice (1994 & 1995). He also holds the record for most touchdown passes caught by African American passers, 73(Randall Cunningham, Warren Moon, Daunte Culpepper, Randy Moss). He was named to the NFL 1990s All-Decade Team. Carter was one of fifteen finalists for the Pro Football Hall of Fame class of 2008, but was not elected in a surprise to some commentators. He is expected to eventually be inducted.

Some pretty impressive numbers and with Rice as the exception..would disagree with the players you listed above. Career receptions and touch downs alone should quiet the HOF doubters.

I am well aware of Carter's numbers. I think he's a Hall of Famer.I think you are saying you'd disagree with all the players I listed except Rice. Is that correct?

Consider the following:

Carter: 1101/13899/130 (12.6 ypr) in 234 games (209 starts); 2 1st team All Pro selections

Harrison: 1087/14422/127 (13.3 ypr) in 187 games (173 starts); 3 1st team All Pro selections

Owens: 929/13788/136 (14.8 ypr) in 184 games (158 starts); 5 1st team All Pro selections

Moss: 828/12933/132 (15.6 ypr) in 165 games (148 starts); 4 1st team All Pro selections

Largent: 819/13089/100 (16.0 ypr) in 200 games (197 starts); 1 1st team All Pro selection

Bruce: 976/14667/89 (15.0 ypr) in 207 games (180 starts); 0 1st team All Pro selections

Brown: 1094/14934/100 (13.7 ypr) in 255 games (202 starts); 0 1st team All Pro selections

Those numbers are as of today, and obviously Harrison, Moss, Owens, and Bruce are still adding to theirs.

Huston played in a different era, so his numbers are hard to compare: 488/7991/99 (16.4 ypr) in 116 games (60 starts). Yes, 99 TDs in 116 games. He was also 1st team All Pro 8 times in 11 career seasons, and he won 2 MVP awards. IMO Rice and Hutson are in another tier above the rest.

Like I said before, some might argue for Bruce and Brown. I did not list them in my group I'd rank ahead of Carter.

I also said that many would disagree with Largent. However, Largent played much of his career before the rule changes that opened up the passing game, and also played his entire career for an expansion franchise that began in his rookie year. And I doubt many people around here would have known that Largent would have the best ypr average among all of these modern era players.

Speaking of ypr, Carter's is the worst among all of these players, and mostly by a wide margin. The other players gain on him there.

I was simply responding to you saying you would rank the above players ahead of Carter, not that I would exclude any of them from the HOF.

Right. And I just showed you why they deserve to be ranked ahead of Carter, though I expect Carter to make the HOF this year.

 

[Chaka]

This years finalists (max 5 make it):

Bruce Smith

John Randall

Rod Woodson

Derrick Thomas

Shannon Sharpe

Cris Carter

Paul Tagliabue

Ralph Wilson

Art Modell

Randall McDaniel

Andre Reed

Ken Stabler

Ray Guy

Charles Haley

Dermontti Dawson

Richard Dent

Bob Kuchenberg

Roger Craig

Terrell Davis

Chris Doleman

Kevin Greene

Lester Hayes

Cortez Kennedy

Steve Tasker

Russ Grimm

So who are the five who get in? I think Bruce Smith and Rod Woodson are the only two locks.

ETA: And Ralph Wilson probably gets in on the "Henry Fonda - On Golden Pond" ticket.

 

[Doug Drinen]

This years finalists (max 5 make it):

Bruce Smith

John Randle

Rod Woodson

Derrick Thomas

Shannon Sharpe

Cris Carter

Paul Tagliabue

Ralph Wilson

Art Modell

Randall McDaniel

Andre Reed

Ken Stabler

Ray Guy

Charles Haley

Dermontti Dawson

Richard Dent

Bob Kuechenberg

Roger Craig

Terrell Davis

Chris Doleman

Kevin Greene

Lester Hayes

Cortez Kennedy

Steve Tasker

Russ Grimm

Links to stats added.

 

[renesauz]

He also holds the record for most touchdown passes caught by African American passers, 73(Randall Cunningham, Warren Moon, Daunte Culpepper, Randy Moss).

Well that's one I hadn't heard before. If you count postseason games, I think Moss and Carter are tied with 77. In case anyone is curious, the next players on the list are Carl Pickens (49), Ernest Givins (46), Joe Horn (46), and Drew Hill (44).

Sorry to hijack....But keeping track of these sorts of statistics flys in the face of reason if you really want racism to die./hijack

 

[Jason Wood]

Woodson, Smith, Randle and Sharpe are all Hall of Famers in waiting. I can't imagine Smith, Woodson or Sharpe having to wait, whereas it might take a relatively lighter year in the next few for Randle to get the [deserved] nod.

 

[Doug Drinen]

He also holds the record for most touchdown passes caught by African American passers, 73(Randall Cunningham, Warren Moon, Daunte Culpepper, Randy Moss).

Well that's one I hadn't heard before. If you count postseason games, I think Moss and Carter are tied with 77. In case anyone is curious, the next players on the list are Carl Pickens (49), Ernest Givins (46), Joe Horn (46), and Drew Hill (44).

Sorry to hijack....But keeping track of these sorts of statistics flys in the face of reason if you really want racism to die./hijack

It's trivia.

 

[craigboy]

Woodson, Smith, Randle and Sharpe are all Hall of Famers in waiting. I can't imagine Smith, Woodson or Sharpe having to wait, whereas it might take a relatively lighter year in the next few for Randle to get the [deserved] nod.

If Randle doesn't get in this year something is wrong with the system.

 

[JMon348]

Woodson, Smith, Randle and Sharpe are all Hall of Famers in waiting. I can't imagine Smith, Woodson or Sharpe having to wait, whereas it might take a relatively lighter year in the next few for Randle to get the [deserved] nod.

If Randle doesn't get in this year something is wrong with the system.

just like CC not getting in last year, its a joke.

 

[Tau837]

Woodson, Smith, Randle and Sharpe are all Hall of Famers in waiting. I can't imagine Smith, Woodson or Sharpe having to wait, whereas it might take a relatively lighter year in the next few for Randle to get the [deserved] nod.

I think Woodson, Smith, Sharpe, Carter, and McDaniel would be a solid class, to go along with the veteran committee players, if any.And I think Tagliabue, Dent, Randle, and Derrick Thomas should also be on the short list.I wonder how long Tagliabue will have to wait... I kind of thought he'd be first ballot, but he'd have to bump either Carter or McDaniel to make it here.ETA: And if I recall correctly, Jerry Rice, Tim Brown, Emmitt Smith, and Aeneas Williams all become eligible next year... not sure who else, but I'd say Rice and Smith should be first ballot (duh), and the other two should be very strong contenders... so a number of these deserving candidates are going to have to wait until 2011... and Deion, Faulk, and Bettis become eligible in 2011... and so on.