bad-golfer
Footballguy
Guy had 100+ rec and 96 Return yrds
great game
and all i see is Eddie Royal
great game
and all i see is Eddie Royal
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Why no DeSean Jackson Love? (1 Viewer)
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TheFanatic
Footballguy
Royal was in a nationally televised game. Royal was going against DeAngelo Hall. DeSean went against the Rams.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
And Denver isn't? Remember they had a 100 catch guy there last year.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Where?
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
And while that's true, Royal is playing second fiddle to him right now. Not that I don't <3 Royal, I just like DeJax a little bit better.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
right hear
az_prof
Footballguy
I think most of us assume that when Curtis and Brown get healthy that they will resume starting positions and that Jackson's numbers will go down for at least this season. Also, people may worry about McNabb's injury history and what will happen if he gets hurt. Myself, I am still not sold on a guy that small being consistently productive. Steve Smith is the exception that proves the rule.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
Considering the buzz out of Philly all preseason and now, I wouldn't be so sure of that. He made some outstanding grabs -- easily better than things I've seen from either Curtis or Brown.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Jackson is also filling in for injured starters. While he may very well have cemented himself as one of those starters he is also playing behind other guys. Although I think we are splitting hairs here. The obvious elite of this rookie WR class are Royal and Desean. Royal just was on a bigger stage and had more pub....
bad-golfer
Footballguy
Don't get me wrong i own Cutler in 2 of my 3 teams and was verry high on the guy. And also own Marshall in 2 of 3.
But what you guys saw Monday night was Royal catching Marshall's passes..
I do think Royal is going to be a nice #2 wr this yr..But all the talk i been reading is crazy to think this guys the next stud wr ...
Denver has the next stud on there team ..Marshall
And for Jackson I think once Brown and Curtis come back will cut in to his number's a bit .. But this guy just has IT
But what you guys saw Monday night was Royal catching Marshall's passes..
I do think Royal is going to be a nice #2 wr this yr..But all the talk i been reading is crazy to think this guys the next stud wr ...
Denver has the next stud on there team ..Marshall
And for Jackson I think once Brown and Curtis come back will cut in to his number's a bit .. But this guy just has IT
NYCGangGreen
Footballguy
, I should really go their.CaptainHook
Footballguy
Royal looked like Marvin Harrison against a quality CB in Hall. Royal made Hall look flat-out stupid.
Jackson looked pretty good, but he barely got any separation against a subpar Rams secondary. His catches looked somewhat flukey -- they would not have been completed against quality CBs.
The guy seems to have the top-end straight line speed for sure but I question his quickness. He doesn't look nearly as quick as the Steve Smith or Santana Moss that he would have to replicate to be a fantasy stud at that size.
On the plus side Mcnabb seems to have a major crush on him so he will probably keep up some level of production as time goes on. Unlike most people I actually think his value goes up as Reggie and Curtis come back as long as the man-love from mcnabb remains. DeSean from the slot is way more valuable than DeSean from out wide. Give him the ball and a straight line to the endzone and he'll get there. Though with Mcnabb's questionable accuracy as far as hitting runners in stride.... I just can't really see DeSean as more than a borderline fantasy starter.
Do you really see him lasting for an entire season at 165 pounds as McNabb floats balls to him across the middle and/or he gets hammered on punt returns? The dude looks like he could be a high school freshman.
This is all coming from an Eagles fan who drafted DeSean in the last round of a redraft after watching him in the preseason. Even with Brandon Marshall coming back I would trade him for Royal in a second.
Jackson looked pretty good, but he barely got any separation against a subpar Rams secondary. His catches looked somewhat flukey -- they would not have been completed against quality CBs.
The guy seems to have the top-end straight line speed for sure but I question his quickness. He doesn't look nearly as quick as the Steve Smith or Santana Moss that he would have to replicate to be a fantasy stud at that size.
On the plus side Mcnabb seems to have a major crush on him so he will probably keep up some level of production as time goes on. Unlike most people I actually think his value goes up as Reggie and Curtis come back as long as the man-love from mcnabb remains. DeSean from the slot is way more valuable than DeSean from out wide. Give him the ball and a straight line to the endzone and he'll get there. Though with Mcnabb's questionable accuracy as far as hitting runners in stride.... I just can't really see DeSean as more than a borderline fantasy starter.
Do you really see him lasting for an entire season at 165 pounds as McNabb floats balls to him across the middle and/or he gets hammered on punt returns? The dude looks like he could be a high school freshman.
This is all coming from an Eagles fan who drafted DeSean in the last round of a redraft after watching him in the preseason. Even with Brandon Marshall coming back I would trade him for Royal in a second.
Statcruncher
Footballguy
According to my league's scoring (No PPR) the top 2 Eagle REC's (not including RB's) rank each year in fantasy points per game played have been:
2007
16 Kevin Curtis
57 Reggie Brown
2006
23 Donte' Stallworth
27 Reggie Brown
2005
1 Terrell Owens
67 Reggie Brown
2004
2 Terrell Owens
79 Todd Pinkston
2003
100 James Thrash
101 Todd Pinkston
In my book the Eagle WR positions are pretty much a wasteland other than some guy named Owens who was there for a couple of years. Add in the slightly higher injury potential to McNabb and Westbrook and there is really nothing enticing about anyone catching the ball. To say Philly WR's don't have value isn't true. I just don't think their offensive scheme is conducive to great WR numbers unless there is a Pro Bowl caliber WR on the roster. Thus their value to me drops them low enough that they are always gone before I would pick one. Jackson may be a special talent that changes all that but I'm not gambling on a rookie who had an injury start and put up great numbers against a crummy D.
2007
16 Kevin Curtis
57 Reggie Brown
2006
23 Donte' Stallworth
27 Reggie Brown
2005
1 Terrell Owens
67 Reggie Brown
2004
2 Terrell Owens
79 Todd Pinkston
2003
100 James Thrash
101 Todd Pinkston
In my book the Eagle WR positions are pretty much a wasteland other than some guy named Owens who was there for a couple of years. Add in the slightly higher injury potential to McNabb and Westbrook and there is really nothing enticing about anyone catching the ball. To say Philly WR's don't have value isn't true. I just don't think their offensive scheme is conducive to great WR numbers unless there is a Pro Bowl caliber WR on the roster. Thus their value to me drops them low enough that they are always gone before I would pick one. Jackson may be a special talent that changes all that but I'm not gambling on a rookie who had an injury start and put up great numbers against a crummy D.
TheFanantic answered the OP's question best.
As to which has better prospects, it'll be clearer once we see Eddie as WR2 and DeSean vs an actual defense on MNF.
Absent that, I'd have to side with Eddie, since he got wide open nearly always against an above average DB, whilst DeSean got no separation from noname corners. Eddie has a more accurate passer throwing at him, and now a #1WR to decoy for him. DeSean has just displayed great hands and concentration. Kick return skills may be a wash in the long run.
Disclosure: I say this as an Eagles homer who watched DeSean's debut effort up close from sideline seats, and a FFL owner who drafted Eddie. I hope they both do well.
As to which has better prospects, it'll be clearer once we see Eddie as WR2 and DeSean vs an actual defense on MNF.
Absent that, I'd have to side with Eddie, since he got wide open nearly always against an above average DB, whilst DeSean got no separation from noname corners. Eddie has a more accurate passer throwing at him, and now a #1WR to decoy for him. DeSean has just displayed great hands and concentration. Kick return skills may be a wash in the long run.
Disclosure: I say this as an Eagles homer who watched DeSean's debut effort up close from sideline seats, and a FFL owner who drafted Eddie. I hope they both do well.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
per rotoworld
DeSean Jackson and Eddie Royal were two of the toughest players to rank this week. The instinct is to call their games flukes … but 100-yard games in rookie debuts just don't happen. Only one other player in the last 13 seasons have topped 100 yards: Anquan Boldin. (He topped 200). The top eleven debuts for wideouts over that span is littered with stars: Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald, Marvin Harrison, Plaxico Burress, Andre Johnson, and Deion Branch. The only name that sticks out is Tulane alum JaJuan Dawson, who had a career-defining injury the following week. Jackson and Royal are here to stay as fantasy factors. They play in excellent systems and with Pro Bowl caliber quarterbacks. Royal runs routes like a veteran. Jackson caught some deep passes in traffic. Both are undersized, and thus not ready to be true number one guys. But they can be quality WR3 options who help teams all season. Royal went ninetieth and Jackson at No. 105, by an Eagles fan. But that's a spot after 30 wideouts are off the board, and the placement passed my smell test.
DeSean Jackson and Eddie Royal were two of the toughest players to rank this week. The instinct is to call their games flukes … but 100-yard games in rookie debuts just don't happen. Only one other player in the last 13 seasons have topped 100 yards: Anquan Boldin. (He topped 200). The top eleven debuts for wideouts over that span is littered with stars: Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald, Marvin Harrison, Plaxico Burress, Andre Johnson, and Deion Branch. The only name that sticks out is Tulane alum JaJuan Dawson, who had a career-defining injury the following week. Jackson and Royal are here to stay as fantasy factors. They play in excellent systems and with Pro Bowl caliber quarterbacks. Royal runs routes like a veteran. Jackson caught some deep passes in traffic. Both are undersized, and thus not ready to be true number one guys. But they can be quality WR3 options who help teams all season. Royal went ninetieth and Jackson at No. 105, by an Eagles fan. But that's a spot after 30 wideouts are off the board, and the placement passed my smell test.
MSULions
Footballguy
i fully agree with the view that Royal is going to drop off dramatically with Marshall's return. Cutler would have been throwing most of those passes his way Monday night. Jackson, however, seems to have more upside because he doesn't have that same stud in the wings he is standing in for. I think he's the guy to have right now, and were I a betting man, i'd put money on Royal not equaling his production against the raiders again all year. He's already peaked.
bad-golfer
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Pretty good point.Royal is a #2 WR, at best. Which looks to be the case. Jackson could be #1 targetted WR on the Eagles. Westbrook will take some targets. But the Eagles pass A LOT. They have enough targets for any play maker on that team. And right now it's Westbrook, Jackson/Curtis. Brown is garbage. Based on the amount Philly passes the ball, no true #1 WR ahead of him, I'd give the edge to Jackson. But Denver has shown they love to pass to the WRs, and both Royal and Marshall could easily get 80+ catches in a season. People are a little down on Jackson because he's small. And I read somewhere based on his BMI it's pretty much impossible for him to be a WR in the NFL, let alone catch a pass without it shattering his hands like glass. I was shocked he was able to wear and helmet and still lift his head up to see the ball coming in. With that staggeringly poor BMI, he's pretty much a medical miracle.
tombonneau
Footballguy
See, that data tells me that if McNabb has an elite WR he can make him one of the two best WRs in fantasy football. Hell, he made KEVIN CURTIS #16. To your other bolded point, thus far Desean looks more like a Pro Bowl talent than not.I really think if he is healthy he puts up WR1 numbers; my issue is, I have doubts he can handle a 16-game season. But I would wager on a PPG basis Desean finishes in the Top 12.Statcruncher said:
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Team ROFLCOPTERS
Footballguy
I shake my head when I read you guys repeatedly saying Hall is "a quality cb". He is digustingly bad.
EdwardCat
Footballguy
True... Why go hear when you can go they're?, I should really go their.
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Carver Lee
Footballguy
The difference for me was that I had Jackson targeted higher than Royal. Jackson did what I thought he'd do but Royal greatly exceeded my expectations.
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Tanner9919
Footballguy
one week wonder hype is rampant in here...
Guy plays in an offense with a couple of decent WR's coming back from injury this week or next.Guy plays in an offense with other good hands people like Baskett, Lewis, LJ, Westbrook , Curtis, Brown.Guy's chances of catching 40+ balls in 2008, slim to none.too many mouths to feed in Philly,not enough footballs to go around.
Kuz
Footballguy
So barring an injury to Jackson. You think it's slim to none that he catches 34 more passes in 15 games.. Wow.. can I take that bet or what.. you have to be kidding right..one week wonder hype is rampant in here...
buck naked
Footballguy
If you are playing fantasy football based on last year, you are absolutely correct. If you are playing on this years prospects, then you need to realize or accept how fantastic Cutler and the Denver offense looks. Both Royal and Jackson should be productive, but last year is almost meaningless.
Giantseasonticketholder
Whammy
No one likes the Eagles, and most of their fans don't have computers.
Coach3K
Footballguy
I'm high on them both.
So I picked up Royal before the game last weekend and traded for DeSean earlier this week.
Unfortunately, I can only play 3 WR max (3rd at expense of 2nd RB - already a tough choice in PPR with MJD/Bush/Chris Johnson) and they're down the depth chart from TO/Fitz/Calvin - along with Vincent Jackson.
I think Royal will have a better week this week than Jackson, especially in the 2nd half after coverage rolls Marshall's way from the freakish # of looks he's going to get in his first game. I see them settling into an eventual groove with the two of them both producing a la past combos of Harrison/Wayne, 85/Housh, Moss/Welker, etc...not saying equal to them, but in the right offensive system, and with talent, two very productive WR's is not unheard of.
Jackson will get a bit of attention this week, after his performance last week, and this isn't the Rams' secondary. He'll still produce...maybe 5/65 with a possibility of a TD in there, depending on field position/targets. Future production will be impacted by the eventual return of Reggie and Curtis, but he'll still see the field quite a bit in WR-heavy packages and returns.
So I picked up Royal before the game last weekend and traded for DeSean earlier this week.
Unfortunately, I can only play 3 WR max (3rd at expense of 2nd RB - already a tough choice in PPR with MJD/Bush/Chris Johnson) and they're down the depth chart from TO/Fitz/Calvin - along with Vincent Jackson.
I think Royal will have a better week this week than Jackson, especially in the 2nd half after coverage rolls Marshall's way from the freakish # of looks he's going to get in his first game. I see them settling into an eventual groove with the two of them both producing a la past combos of Harrison/Wayne, 85/Housh, Moss/Welker, etc...not saying equal to them, but in the right offensive system, and with talent, two very productive WR's is not unheard of.
Jackson will get a bit of attention this week, after his performance last week, and this isn't the Rams' secondary. He'll still produce...maybe 5/65 with a possibility of a TD in there, depending on field position/targets. Future production will be impacted by the eventual return of Reggie and Curtis, but he'll still see the field quite a bit in WR-heavy packages and returns.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
it seemed to me that jackson got more preseason hype than royal, so he might have been drafted more often vs. being the hot waiver pick up. also, people may be used to mcnabb spreading the ball around. lewis and baskett also had very good numbers.
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SSOG
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Hall is disgustingly overrated, but he's not disgustingly bad. NFL GMs aren't dummies. They might be wrong a lot, but an NFL GM knows the difference between an acceptable starter and a disgusting liability, and they don't throw big-time money at disgustingly bad players. Sometimes they throw superstar money at average starters, or average starter money at total liabilities... but if the market in the NFL seems to think Hall is a quality corner, then odds are he's a quality corner. He'll never challenge for the best CB in the league title, but he's almost certainly among the top 32 at his position.And Royal made him look BAD. Really, really bad.
Team ROFLCOPTERS
Footballguy
The Raiders were said to be the only team interested and we all know how sad of a franchise the Raiders have become. Their front office decisions are the guidline for ineptitude. He WAS good a few years ago, but he obviously became in love with himself a few years back. I have watched him over 25 times in the past couple seasons and he is well below average. I'm no scout but I'd like to think I've watched enough football that when I see a player enough I get a good idea about him.
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awesomeness
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Royal is 'The Chosen One' by the premature ejacs who cant help themselves from jumping the gun. We'll see how Royal plays when hes jammed at the line this week so that should be something to look for.
The way DeSean was able to catch balls in traffic was VERY exciting. He's gonna be goood.
The way DeSean was able to catch balls in traffic was VERY exciting. He's gonna be goood.
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Royal will be the 2nd focus for Def. Cord when playing the Den offense along with Marshall.
Once Brown and Curtis are back...DJ will be working the slot...and will be the 4th priority for Def Cord. after Westbrook, Brown, and Curtis...which is going to lead to him being open and facing a really crappy CB or Safety...a lot.
Once Brown and Curtis are back...DJ will be working the slot...and will be the 4th priority for Def Cord. after Westbrook, Brown, and Curtis...which is going to lead to him being open and facing a really crappy CB or Safety...a lot.
Franknbeans
Footballguy
The number one reason to be excited about DeSean over Royal is that he only has Reggie Brown and Kevin Curtis to steal balls. Royal has a bonafide stud receiver in Brandon Marshall that Cutler has shown outstadning chemistry with in the past.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
Week one receptions
. Jackson 6 G. Lewis 5 H. Baskett 2 J. Avant 3 L. Smith 5 B. Celek 2 T. Hunt 1 B. Westbrook 2I didn't post Denver because it is moot without Marshall, but no one but Royal caught more than 2.Pygmy Marmoset
Footballguy
DeSean Jackson is going to be something special in this league. However, the Rams are - and especially their defense is - a joke at times. We'll see what Jackson does when he's not up against Haslett.
bad-golfer
Footballguy
Bump after this weekend.
hard not to like these guys
hard not to like these guys
2nd WR ever to go back to back 100 yard games, last one was 1940. While djax should have had a td, and Royal shouldn't have had a td, both have been pretty damn good.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
True, but to clarify for everyone I think it was first rookie WR to gain 100 yards in his first two games since 1940, right?I'm pretty sure a WR has had back-to-back 100 yard games at least once since 1940.teamroc said:
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