Why no love for Bobby Engram? (1 Viewer)

[BusterTBronco]

He has been the 18th most productive fantasy WR (in most leagues) but FBG has him at WR42 in their latest "Top 250" rankings.

 

[omally]

Maybe because Branch is about to come back.

 

[daddymag]

Old and slow, blah blah blah... what's important to me is that Hasselbeck is chuckin' it, and unless the play is designed for someone else he's looking for Bobby.

Yes I expect his targets to go down when Branch comes back, but I might hang onto him for matchups. Seattle's got a nice sked.

 

[BusterTBronco]

Maybe because Branch is about to come back.

That's what they said last week. Then Engram went out and had a huge game.

 

[omally]

Maybe because Branch is about to come back.

That's what they said last week. Then Engram went out and had a huge game.

That is because Branch didn't play. Isn't that common sense?

 

[mad sweeney]

Maybe because Branch is about to come back.

That's what they said last week. Then Engram went out and had a huge game.

That is because Branch didn't play. Isn't that common sense?

Buster's not huge on using common sense, he just lkes end results and pat yourself on the back hindsight. Bobby played in Branch's position and slid over to the slot for 3 WR sets. I'd like to see a breakdown of his passes and how many of the 21 he caught were while he was in the slot. I didn't expect this kind of season from Engram even with the injuries and I'm starting to think that even with Bobby in his natural slot position with Hackett and Branch in he might still be a pretty good play. I don't think he'll match this week's production again but it's very hard to ignore what he's done thus far. Holmgren said yesterday that he was leaning on unbalancing his attack and relying more heavily on the passing game which might even out the "demotion" Engram will go through next week. Hass always knows where Bobby is and Bobby rarely drops it. Hass trusts him and that's a lot more important than spectacular talent. I'm thinking of making a play for him even though Branch should be back this week. A ranking that puts him around WR3 is pretty close, but until we see how many looks he gets as solely the slot, it's hard to put him in the definite start category (top 36) However Holmgren has repeatedly said that they want to get the ball to their flanker a lot, which is where Bobby has been playing in 2 WR sets and where Branch will return to. Anyone know where to find a breakdown of team games play by play that shows formation?

 

[TommyGilmore]

Maybe because Branch is about to come back.

That's what they said last week. Then Engram went out and had a huge game.

That is because Branch didn't play. Isn't that common sense?

Engram performed almost as well with Branch in the lineup as he did without him. In the 3 games where they were both at 100%, Engram averaged 10.2 points per game.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Maybe because Branch is about to come back.

That's what they said last week. Then Engram went out and had a huge game.

That is because Branch didn't play. Isn't that common sense?

Engram performed almost as well with Branch in the lineup as he did without him. In the 3 games where they were both at 100%, Engram averaged 10.2 points per game.

Beat me to it. Bobby Engram will likely remain valuable simply because Alexander has been so terrible. He's going to get his 5 or 6 catches a week even if he's only playing the slot. If they do, indeed, pass more than run going forward his looks should be higher than that. And if Branch's foot continues to be a problem......

 

[Kyzersosik]

You don`t hear about him on fantasy boards because he`s not flashy and most likely went undrafted, or is STILL available, in many leagues. It`s way easier to go with the name guys without looking at the situation, injuries targets schudle etc, to run your team. The main reason people avoid him now is, D Branch will be back. Well, that maybe so but Seattle`s running game suxor, Hass knows what he has in Engram, looks like more than a few 32-28 games remaining. Add those up, 40+ passes every week. Give me Engram with those #`s running good routes against so so DB`s and you can pencil in 7-9 catches for 70-90 yds and a good chance to score each week. P S S Alex looks do be DONE as if we all didn`t know..

 

[maxwell1295]

He has always been a reliable slot guy, but hadn't gotten much attention with DJax and Branch onthe field. Dude has stickem for hands and is an excellent route runner....things you would expect from a #3/slot receiver. Now that he is finding the endzone (something he didn't do much of in the past), he definitely should be getting more love. I just picked him up in a league that had Burleson rostered and Engram on the WW.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

i am trying to play catch up in my league (im at 4-5 now) and traded Harrison for Engram last week. Waited a month for Harrison, who i have a severe mancrush on, and couldnt wait any longer. Prolly the one time in my FF life i got a player before his career high. 14 catches.. loved it. With no running game and Branch and Hackett at least less than 100% and a nice schedule, i think he should be talked about a little more. He won the game for me this past week. Looking forward to seeing him on MNF this week. I just hope SF isnt so terrible that Seattle is allowed to rush the ball in the 2nd half.Also yes Branch is coming back but Hackett didnt finish the game this past week.

Nov. 5, 2007 - 10:29 a.m. ET D.J. Hackett said afterward that "conditioning" limited his workload in Week 9. Hackett was on the sidelines for most of the late stages of the game, but apparently was merely tired rather than injured. "I've still got a ways to go," Hackett said. "Conditioning was the main thing." He had six catches for 58 yards while playing for the first time since Week 1. Source: Seattle Times

 

[lion_crazz]

I was not aware that Hackett did not play the full game. Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Maybe because Branch is about to come back.

That's what they said last week. Then Engram went out and had a huge game.

That is because Branch didn't play. Isn't that common sense?

Engram performed almost as well with Branch in the lineup as he did without him. In the 3 games where they were both at 100%, Engram averaged 10.2 points per game.

Beat me to it. Bobby Engram will likely remain valuable simply because Alexander has been so terrible. He's going to get his 5 or 6 catches a week even if he's only playing the slot. If they do, indeed, pass more than run going forward his looks should be higher than that. And if Branch's foot continues to be a problem......

But to play Devil's Advocate for a moment.......Seattle still has yet to play a full game with all of their receivers (including Branch & Hackett) at full strength. Who knows what will happen to Engram when Hackett and Branch are both healthy and starting?

 

[Enforcer]

I just hope SF isnt so terrible that Seattle is allowed to rush the ball in the 2nd half.

This is not in the realm of possibilities. Seattle can't run on anyone.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Maybe because Branch is about to come back.

That's what they said last week. Then Engram went out and had a huge game.

That is because Branch didn't play. Isn't that common sense?

Engram performed almost as well with Branch in the lineup as he did without him. In the 3 games where they were both at 100%, Engram averaged 10.2 points per game.

Beat me to it. Bobby Engram will likely remain valuable simply because Alexander has been so terrible. He's going to get his 5 or 6 catches a week even if he's only playing the slot. If they do, indeed, pass more than run going forward his looks should be higher than that. And if Branch's foot continues to be a problem......

But to play Devil's Advocate for a moment.......Seattle still has yet to play a full game with all of their receivers (including Branch & Hackett) at full strength. Who knows what will happen to Engram when Hackett and Branch are both healthy and starting?

True, but I think he'd be a safe bet for 4-6 catches and 45-65 yards even in a "reduced" third down/slot only role. He'd probably stop scoring TDs altogether, though. That's what I'd wager, anyway.

 

[Red Apples]

Bobby Engram, tight end190-pounder runs Pollard's routes on way to 14 catchesBy ART THIELCLEVELAND -- To give an idea of the oddness of the Seahawks' day, Bobby Engram, all 190 pounds of him, sometimes played the role of tight end.No, he wasn't out thumping linebackers ahead of runs by Shaun Alexander or Maurice Morris. But according to quarterback Matt Hasselbeck, in the absence of injured starter Marcus Pollard, Engram ran some of the routes of the larger man."We called a lot of tight-end plays out of our two-back, three-wide set," Hasselbeck said. "Bobby essentially played the tight end position, sometimes to stretch out their defenders. But they were tight-end plays with Bobby's number."

 

[Eagle Eye]

Maybe because Branch is about to come back.

That's what they said last week. Then Engram went out and had a huge game.

That is because Branch didn't play. Isn't that common sense?

Engram performed almost as well with Branch in the lineup as he did without him. In the 3 games where they were both at 100%, Engram averaged 10.2 points per game.

Beat me to it. Bobby Engram will likely remain valuable simply because Alexander has been so terrible. He's going to get his 5 or 6 catches a week even if he's only playing the slot. If they do, indeed, pass more than run going forward his looks should be higher than that. And if Branch's foot continues to be a problem......

But to play Devil's Advocate for a moment.......Seattle still has yet to play a full game with all of their receivers (including Branch & Hackett) at full strength. Who knows what will happen to Engram when Hackett and Branch are both healthy and starting?

The split end position and whether its Hackett or Burleson out there would have no impact on Engram's numbers. The guy is a solid #3 with Branch healthy (as he proved ealier in the year) and a top #2 if Branch is out. Sounds like Pollard going down will help him also.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Maybe because Branch is about to come back.

That's what they said last week. Then Engram went out and had a huge game.

That is because Branch didn't play. Isn't that common sense?

Engram performed almost as well with Branch in the lineup as he did without him. In the 3 games where they were both at 100%, Engram averaged 10.2 points per game.

Beat me to it. Bobby Engram will likely remain valuable simply because Alexander has been so terrible. He's going to get his 5 or 6 catches a week even if he's only playing the slot. If they do, indeed, pass more than run going forward his looks should be higher than that. And if Branch's foot continues to be a problem......

But to play Devil's Advocate for a moment.......Seattle still has yet to play a full game with all of their receivers (including Branch & Hackett) at full strength. Who knows what will happen to Engram when Hackett and Branch are both healthy and starting?

The split end position and whether its Hackett or Burleson out there would have no impact on Engram's numbers. The guy is a solid #3 with Branch healthy (as he proved ealier in the year) and a top #2 if Branch is out.

Seattle has yet to play a full game with all 4 top WRs (Branch, Hackett, Engram, Burleson) at 100%. So it's quite speculative to say that such a lineup would have "no impact on Engram's numbers".

 

[mad sweeney]

I just hope SF isnt so terrible that Seattle is allowed to rush the ball in the 2nd half.

This is not in the realm of possibilities. Seattle Shaun Alexander can't run on anyone.

Morris was averaging about 6 ypc Sunday. And he fell forward when hit. Weaver and MoMo can run the ball and if the walrus would commit to them instead of insisting on running SA then the run game would be in better shape. If he's going to be in a cast for the rest of the year they should IR him and try to give themselves a chance in the playoffs and just let Hass rip the ball.

 

[mad sweeney]

Maybe because Branch is about to come back.

That's what they said last week. Then Engram went out and had a huge game.

That is because Branch didn't play. Isn't that common sense?

Engram performed almost as well with Branch in the lineup as he did without him. In the 3 games where they were both at 100%, Engram averaged 10.2 points per game.

Beat me to it. Bobby Engram will likely remain valuable simply because Alexander has been so terrible. He's going to get his 5 or 6 catches a week even if he's only playing the slot. If they do, indeed, pass more than run going forward his looks should be higher than that. And if Branch's foot continues to be a problem......

But to play Devil's Advocate for a moment.......Seattle still has yet to play a full game with all of their receivers (including Branch & Hackett) at full strength. Who knows what will happen to Engram when Hackett and Branch are both healthy and starting?

The split end position and whether its Hackett or Burleson out there would have no impact on Engram's numbers. The guy is a solid #3 with Branch healthy (as he proved ealier in the year) and a top #2 if Branch is out.

Seattle has yet to play a full game with all 4 top WRs (Branch, Hackett, Engram, Burleson) at 100%. So it's quite speculative to say that such a lineup would have "no impact on Engram's numbers".

It has to have some impact, but Bobby has surprised me so far this year in all the situations he's been in on so far. I think he'll still put up solid WR3 numbers, especially in ppr, even with Branch and Hackett back. The WR4 is a non-factor in determining Bobby's worth. I'm actually solid at WR for the first time in years and am still making a push to get him in a few leagues.

 

[Eagle Eye]

Maybe because Branch is about to come back.

That's what they said last week. Then Engram went out and had a huge game.

That is because Branch didn't play. Isn't that common sense?

Engram performed almost as well with Branch in the lineup as he did without him. In the 3 games where they were both at 100%, Engram averaged 10.2 points per game.

Beat me to it. Bobby Engram will likely remain valuable simply because Alexander has been so terrible. He's going to get his 5 or 6 catches a week even if he's only playing the slot. If they do, indeed, pass more than run going forward his looks should be higher than that. And if Branch's foot continues to be a problem......

But to play Devil's Advocate for a moment.......Seattle still has yet to play a full game with all of their receivers (including Branch & Hackett) at full strength. Who knows what will happen to Engram when Hackett and Branch are both healthy and starting?

The split end position and whether its Hackett or Burleson out there would have no impact on Engram's numbers. The guy is a solid #3 with Branch healthy (as he proved ealier in the year) and a top #2 if Branch is out.

Seattle has yet to play a full game with all 4 top WRs (Branch, Hackett, Engram, Burleson) at 100%. So it's quite speculative to say that such a lineup would have "no impact on Engram's numbers".

It may see that way, but its really not. Burleson and Hackett are fighting over the #2 spot and the loser goes to #4. Engram is the #3 WR and plays in the slot regardless of who's the starting split end or the back-up split end. So the only time he could be "impacted" would be in 4WR sets. And your argument boils down to whether Burleson would garner more targets than Obamamama on the occasions when they do go with 4 WRs.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Try trading him.... my team is leading the McFadden race in one dynasty and I figure theres no pt in me holding Bobby... so I have been attempting to get a pick / young talent for with 0 luck.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Maybe because Branch is about to come back.

That's what they said last week. Then Engram went out and had a huge game.

That is because Branch didn't play. Isn't that common sense?

Engram performed almost as well with Branch in the lineup as he did without him. In the 3 games where they were both at 100%, Engram averaged 10.2 points per game.

Beat me to it. Bobby Engram will likely remain valuable simply because Alexander has been so terrible. He's going to get his 5 or 6 catches a week even if he's only playing the slot. If they do, indeed, pass more than run going forward his looks should be higher than that. And if Branch's foot continues to be a problem......

But to play Devil's Advocate for a moment.......Seattle still has yet to play a full game with all of their receivers (including Branch & Hackett) at full strength. Who knows what will happen to Engram when Hackett and Branch are both healthy and starting?

The split end position and whether its Hackett or Burleson out there would have no impact on Engram's numbers. The guy is a solid #3 with Branch healthy (as he proved ealier in the year) and a top #2 if Branch is out.

Seattle has yet to play a full game with all 4 top WRs (Branch, Hackett, Engram, Burleson) at 100%. So it's quite speculative to say that such a lineup would have "no impact on Engram's numbers".

It may see that way, but its really not. Burleson and Hackett are fighting over the #2 spot and the loser goes to #4. Engram is the #3 WR and plays in the slot regardless of who's the starting split end or the back-up split end. So the only time he could be "impacted" would be in 4WR sets.

Not only will Engram be impacted during 4WR sets, but he will also be impacted during 3WR sets. Why? Because Hackett is better than Burleson, and he'll get more touches than Burleson would. Branch & Hackett have only been on the field together for half of one game (and by the way, Engram and Burleson both had zero targets prior to Hackett's injury).Engram put up better numbers when Burleson started because Burleson simply isn't that good.

Haven't you even considered the possibility that the reason Engram is doing so well in the slot is because the current #2 (Burleson) stinks?

When Branch and Hackett are both at 100%, they are going to monopolize the targets.

 

[mad sweeney]

Maybe because Branch is about to come back.

That's what they said last week. Then Engram went out and had a huge game.

That is because Branch didn't play. Isn't that common sense?

Engram performed almost as well with Branch in the lineup as he did without him. In the 3 games where they were both at 100%, Engram averaged 10.2 points per game.

Beat me to it. Bobby Engram will likely remain valuable simply because Alexander has been so terrible. He's going to get his 5 or 6 catches a week even if he's only playing the slot. If they do, indeed, pass more than run going forward his looks should be higher than that. And if Branch's foot continues to be a problem......

But to play Devil's Advocate for a moment.......Seattle still has yet to play a full game with all of their receivers (including Branch & Hackett) at full strength. Who knows what will happen to Engram when Hackett and Branch are both healthy and starting?

The split end position and whether its Hackett or Burleson out there would have no impact on Engram's numbers. The guy is a solid #3 with Branch healthy (as he proved ealier in the year) and a top #2 if Branch is out.

Seattle has yet to play a full game with all 4 top WRs (Branch, Hackett, Engram, Burleson) at 100%. So it's quite speculative to say that such a lineup would have "no impact on Engram's numbers".

It may see that way, but its really not. Burleson and Hackett are fighting over the #2 spot and the loser goes to #4. Engram is the #3 WR and plays in the slot regardless of who's the starting split end or the back-up split end. So the only time he could be "impacted" would be in 4WR sets.

Not only will Engram be impacted during 4WR sets, but he will also be impacted during 3WR sets. Why? Because Hackett is better than Burleson, and he'll get more touches than Burleson would. Branch & Hackett have only been on the field together for half of one game (and by the way, Engram and Burleson both had zero targets prior to Hackett's injury).Engram put up better numbers when Burleson started because Burleson simply isn't that good.

Haven't you even considered the possibility that the reason Engram is doing so well in the slot is because the current #2 (Burleson) stinks?

When Branch and Hackett are both at 100%, they are going to monopolize the targets.

Wrong! Hackett was hurt on the second drive of the first quarter. Prior to his injury there were 3 other passes attempted. One to Strong, one to Hackett, and one was caught by Engram. So you are flat out wrong about that. Plus Burleson was the WR4 in that game and I don't know if he was in the game at all prior to Hackett getting hurt. So that bolded part of your argument is completely erroneous and irrelevant.

 

[Eagle Eye]

Maybe because Branch is about to come back.

That's what they said last week. Then Engram went out and had a huge game.

That is because Branch didn't play. Isn't that common sense?

Engram performed almost as well with Branch in the lineup as he did without him. In the 3 games where they were both at 100%, Engram averaged 10.2 points per game.

Beat me to it. Bobby Engram will likely remain valuable simply because Alexander has been so terrible. He's going to get his 5 or 6 catches a week even if he's only playing the slot. If they do, indeed, pass more than run going forward his looks should be higher than that. And if Branch's foot continues to be a problem......

But to play Devil's Advocate for a moment.......Seattle still has yet to play a full game with all of their receivers (including Branch & Hackett) at full strength. Who knows what will happen to Engram when Hackett and Branch are both healthy and starting?

The split end position and whether its Hackett or Burleson out there would have no impact on Engram's numbers. The guy is a solid #3 with Branch healthy (as he proved ealier in the year) and a top #2 if Branch is out.

Seattle has yet to play a full game with all 4 top WRs (Branch, Hackett, Engram, Burleson) at 100%. So it's quite speculative to say that such a lineup would have "no impact on Engram's numbers".

It may see that way, but its really not. Burleson and Hackett are fighting over the #2 spot and the loser goes to #4. Engram is the #3 WR and plays in the slot regardless of who's the starting split end or the back-up split end. So the only time he could be "impacted" would be in 4WR sets.

Not only will Engram be impacted during 4WR sets, but he will also be impacted during 3WR sets. Why? Because Hackett is better than Burleson, and he'll get more touches than Burleson would. Branch & Hackett have only been on the field together for half of one game (and by the way, Engram and Burleson both had zero targets prior to Hackett's injury).Engram put up better numbers when Burleson started because Burleson simply isn't that good.

Haven't you even considered the possibility that the reason Engram is doing so well in the slot is because the current #2 (Burleson) stinks?

When Branch and Hackett are both at 100%, they are going to monopolize the targets.

Fair enough. I don't see the difference between Hackett & Burleson being that major but you make a good case. Offsetting that in Engram's favor is the rapport he's built while the other guys were in the training room.

 

[Enforcer]

I just hope SF isnt so terrible that Seattle is allowed to rush the ball in the 2nd half.

This is not in the realm of possibilities. Seattle Shaun Alexander can't run on anyone.

Morris was averaging about 6 ypc Sunday. And he fell forward when hit. Weaver and MoMo can run the ball and if the walrus would commit to them instead of insisting on running SA then the run game would be in better shape. If he's going to be in a cast for the rest of the year they should IR him and try to give themselves a chance in the playoffs and just let Hass rip the ball.

I have to agree with this point. As a Seattle homer I've been excited to see Morris in the game and dreading Alexander.

 

[Enforcer]

Burleson and Hackett are fighting over the #2 spot and the loser goes to #4.

Not much of a "fight". If it were a real fight I would put my money on Burleson because he's got hands of stone.

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

Adding more speculation and fuel to this very interesting debate about how things might shake out, FWIW, FBG's latest forward looking rankings has Hackett rated above Branch, Engram and Burleson, in that order.

 

[JHuber77]

Hackett didn't finish the game because he isn't quite in game shape yet. It was just fatigue

 

[KellysHeroes]

Bobby Engram last week was Targetted 21xs for 14 recs w/ 139 yds & 1 TD

enough said

Hackett was targetted 8xs

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Deion Branch - WR - Seahawks Deion Branch (foot) will not practice Wednesday. He could be listed as questionable again this week. Branch's recovery from a foot injury has come along slower than expected. He does, however, have an extra day to get ready for Monday night's matchup against San Francisco. Nov. 7 - 3:58 p.m. ET Source: Seattle Times

 

[H.K.]

Bobby Engram last week was Targetted 21xs for 14 recs w/ 139 yds & 1 TDenough saidHackett was targetted 8xs

With SA hurt and no running game, Engram will only see an increas in those numbers this week.Expect 17 catches for 211 yards and 2 TD's minimum.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Bobby Engram last week was Targetted 21xs for 14 recs w/ 139 yds & 1 TDenough saidHackett was targetted 8xs

With SA hurt and no running game, Engram will only see an increas in those numbers this week.Expect 17 catches for 211 yards and 2 TD's minimum.

HK is greatness. very odd cat, but greatness