Why should 0 yards and 0 points score 4 points? (1 Viewer)

[davearm]

Go back and check who's using terms like stupid, dumb, useless etc. It's people putting words in other people's mouths.

 

[Hoss Style]

Go back and check who's using terms like stupid, dumb, useless etc. It's people putting words in other people's mouths.

Just went and looked. It was called useless, a joke, etc.

 

[ragnarok628]

Oh man. Just when I thought we had come to an understanding that there is no "wrong" way to play FF, you have to add in this :

..."people who think a catch really is 'worth something' and to them PPR makes sense. Those people are wrong, that is the point of myself and other anti-PPRers. There are a lot of them, they are out there, and they are wrong."

I don't understand this continued insistence on ignoring the painstaking effort i continually undertake to provide the framework for this statement. that last line you quoted from me is absolutely true under the premises with which i stated it. if we operate from the assumption that the reason for playing FF is to reflect the individual achievement of your players then that already falls outside my framework, so addressing my statement from there does nothing to advance your viewpoint. Turns out, we would still disagree about PPR making sense from and individual level of effort, or instances of athletic achievement, because it would flaw the system to assume all catches were of equal effort or difficulty and it would be impractical to determine every catch's 'degree of difficulty'. From that same perspective, points by yards is also untenable because some yards are obtained easily and others very very uneasily. Fortunately for the integrity of my model, i am NOT using that perspective.

if you are using that perspective, you are not 'wrong' to do so. However, to the many people who DO profess the perspective i have set forth, but are operating under the misapprehension that PPR is a way to better reflect on-field value, I unashamedly maintain my position: "you are doing it wrong".

 

[packseasontix]

if you are using that perspective, you are not 'wrong' to do so. However, to the many people who DO profess the perspective i have set forth, but are operating under the misapprehension that PPR is a way to better reflect on-field value, I unashamedly maintain my position: "you are doing it wrong".

I understand you are trying to say PPR does not accurately predict more value to their team but.... PPR is not about a single catch as this shows nothing, but PPR is about the whole year and this in the end does show something.

2012 - Top 10 catches

Calvin - 122

Welker - 118

Marshall - 118

Andre - 112

Witten - 110

Wayne - 106

Green - 97

D Thomas - 94

Tony G - 93

White - 92

As you can see if you simply look based on catches you will find the tops players have the most catches over the same amount of time frame. So I would say it does what it is supposed to do in that it tries to make the players who are assumed superior to score more points over the course of a season.

The one thing I will add that I am in favor of though is also having a multiplier for long receptions of 40+ yards to account for players like Vincent Jackson who get fewer catches but show their value with longer game changing plays.