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Why should 0 yards and 0 points score 4 points? (1 Viewer)
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socrates
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
Pasquino wrote an article about Point Per First Down Reception (PPFDR) and made a good case for it being better than PPR. I agree with him but haven't any leagues doing it.
lod01
Footballguy
While you have a point on 'it shouldn't warrant points', I was wondering, just for ####s and giggles, do you play in a league where INT's count against the QB?
Why do people choose to reward 0's with points?
That's my question.
This forum seems to be so full of people who think that playing magic football differently than them (not playing PPR) is just plain stupid...maybe these people can explain to me why a player deserves 4 points for 0 yards and 0 points.
lod01
Footballguy
We do 1/2 ppr so Sproles only got 2 points in our league. So we got that going for us.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
The same reason we reward 1 yard TD runs more heavily than the 50 yard run that got them on the 1 yard line in the first place; the math is simple even if it doesn't equal the effort or importance of the play.
4 catches for 0 points is much different that 4 targets with 0 receptions. He caught the ball four times and in a ppr 'fantasy' league, he earned his 4 points. That is whole concept behind PPR.
The same can be said for leagues that award points for rushing attempts. In one of my leagues, players earn 1 point for every 5 rushing attempts. So, if a rb carries 5 times for 0 yards, he still gets a point.
I disagree with the concept that Sproles production does not warrant any points. This is fantasy football, and I think any attempt to rationalize why a player with 4 catches should not be awarded points is forgetting the 'fantasy' part of this game we all love.
The same can be said for leagues that award points for rushing attempts. In one of my leagues, players earn 1 point for every 5 rushing attempts. So, if a rb carries 5 times for 0 yards, he still gets a point.
I disagree with the concept that Sproles production does not warrant any points. This is fantasy football, and I think any attempt to rationalize why a player with 4 catches should not be awarded points is forgetting the 'fantasy' part of this game we all love.
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Why does Matt Stafford get credit for a 87 yard pass when he hit Calvin Johnson on a 5 yard slant?
Craig_MiamiFL
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Ghost Rider
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This is why I like leagues that have different PPR values for each position. I don't like a RB getting more than .5 PPR.
Sproles didn't get any points for his zeros. He got points for his non-zero number of receptions.
If receptions shouldn't be worth any points, then people shouldn't play in PPR leagues.
steveski
Footballguy
You're the only one here saying that one way of playing magical football is better than the other. You started this thread to complain about PPR leagues and you turn it around saying that people who play PPR are complaining about Standard scoring?
I'm sorry you lost this week if that is what this is about.
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cstu
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A big part of FF to me is attempting to put a numerical value on the contribution a player is making to his team. I like PPR for the fact that it decreases the relative value of RB's but I don't think it's an accurate gauge of a player's value in real football (see Edelman for an extreme example).
This is why I like the idea of PPFDR - players only get points when they make a play beneficial to the team.
cstu
Footballguy
I'm not saying that, I'm asking the question. I don't understand why people think it's better. A play that goes for 0 yards is a play that goes for 0 yards. What value does that have? I just don't get it.
And I won this week. Again. 8-2 overall, 5-0 in the leagues that matter. But thanks for pretending to care. lol
Joe Summer
Footballguy
You're the kind of guy who complains when a kneeldown costs you 2 rushing yards.
The problem is that is discretionary. Who is going to make the determination of what was beneficial? Using that logic, there would be no 'garbage time' points.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
The whole idea of PPR leagues is to make it more balanced on a roster for roster basis. Stuff like this is an anomaly and doesn't discredit the premise.
steveski
Footballguy
The same reason that some leagues use bonuses for going over a certain amount of yards. The same reason different length kicks are worth more than others. The same reason a bobbles pass by a WR that gets intercepted hurts the QB and not the WR. It's magical fantasy football like you said. There is no way that is better. There are just tons of variations.
Again, you started this thread to complain about a certain way of playing fantasy football. Don't play that way if you don't like it. Nobody is forcing you to play in PPR leagues.
Dr. Octopus
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It's only 4 points - it's not like some great injustice has been perpetrated upon the fantasy football community.
MoveToSkypager
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Andy Dufresne
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The Jerk
Footballguy
In any format, certain players end up producing far greater in fantasy points than they do in "real" football terms. Of course, this presents an opportunity for a savvy owner to recognize the gap between fantasy and reality and seek those players.
Consider September 12, 2004 (Week 1): Jerome Bettis had 5 carries for 1 yard, with 3 TDs.
Should one yard be worth x points? Well, yes, because that's the way the scoring rules work for that league.
There is arguably more value in a TD specialist than there is in the PPR scenario outlined above, but everyone should know the rules going in and understand how they can create scenarios like 0 yards for 4 points. As others have stated, find a non-PPR league if this is a sufficiently bothersome situation.
Consider September 12, 2004 (Week 1): Jerome Bettis had 5 carries for 1 yard, with 3 TDs.
Should one yard be worth x points? Well, yes, because that's the way the scoring rules work for that league.
There is arguably more value in a TD specialist than there is in the PPR scenario outlined above, but everyone should know the rules going in and understand how they can create scenarios like 0 yards for 4 points. As others have stated, find a non-PPR league if this is a sufficiently bothersome situation.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
It's this rock solid argument that Leonidas presents here is why my leagues all switched to 1 PPSBW. Yards don't matter, touchdowns don't matter, wins don't matter. Only Super Bowl wins matter.
Had 6 Ravens on my team last year - championship!
Had 6 Ravens on my team last year - championship!
steveski
Footballguy
Dude, just stop.
If fantasy football doesn't make sense to you, then why are you here?
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ninerfanatic492000
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I'm guessing someone lost by less than 4pts and missed the venting thread?
lod01
Footballguy
VaTerp
Footballguy
The reception can keep the clock moving while the incomplete pass does not. Happy now?
Bamac
Footballguy
I've had the solution to this kind of arbitrary scoring for some time, but no one seems to like it.
In my league, players don't get points for things like yards and TDs that don't always accurately reflect a player's contribution. Instead, I (the commissioner) watch every game on Game Rewind and assign a point value to every player's performance, taking into account factors such as strength of opponent, game situation, good/bad luck, and "clutchness". This scoring system supports all league types -- you can even include offensive linemen.
Alas, not one person has signed up for this obviously superior league.
In my league, players don't get points for things like yards and TDs that don't always accurately reflect a player's contribution. Instead, I (the commissioner) watch every game on Game Rewind and assign a point value to every player's performance, taking into account factors such as strength of opponent, game situation, good/bad luck, and "clutchness". This scoring system supports all league types -- you can even include offensive linemen.
Alas, not one person has signed up for this obviously superior league.
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Would you have less of an issue with ppr if players got -1 for every drop? Then you might see how a player deserves credit when they actually catch the ball. I like ppr. It's a good way to balance scoring and I feel the player has earned the point or half point by catching the ball.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
So by your theory a quarterback shouldn't lose points for taking a knee at the end of the game even though it is minus 1 yard, it is more important and productive to just milk the clock,.
Dizzy
Footballguy
Of course you are Dez... we're not judging. We all love you.
To answer your original question... Darren Sproles didn't get any points for his 4 catches for zero yards. His pretend "owners" in fake football leagues got 1 point for each reception.
RGIII HTTR
Footballguy
LOL, this is very simple...PPR leagues award points for CATCHES and award points for YARDS. His productivity is measured that he caught the ball, which he is awarded the pts for it. It is regardless that he had 0 yards because he received zero pts for that part. Simple...the point structure rewards catches and that is what he did...caught the ball several times. If you don't like it, change the amount of pts awarded for a catch or get out of PPR league.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I can think of a few scenarios where the former is better than the latter:
1. If you were a QB, it would help your completion percentage rather than hurt it;
2. If your team was winning the game, the receptions would keep the clock moving (or force the other team to use a timeout). The incompletions would stop the clock;
3. If you were a RB or WR, people would make jokes like "stone hands" or "oven mitts" if you dropped three easy passes. That could be psychologically damaging. Just ask Heyward-Bey or Shonn Greene;
4. If you played in a ppr league, 3 points are better than 0 points.
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ragnarok628
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Maybe the TD points should be divided up among the td contributers by % contribution.
80 yd TD drive: 40 yd catch by WR, 20 yard catch by TE, 15 & 4 yd runs by RB, and 1 yd TD run by RB.
- WR gets 7 pts total: 4 pts for yards, 3 points for 1/2 a TD
- TE gets 3.5 pts total: 2 pts for yards, 1.5 points for 1/4 a TD
- RB gets 3.5 pts total: 2 pts for yards, 1.5 points for 1/4 a TD
Because scoring 3 TD's has no real world value.
You guessed wrong.
Maybe you should try reading the thread.
I actually started Sproles in multiple leagues this week, and faced him in 0. And I won 8 of 10 matchups.
But thanks for playing.
You can pick up your consolation price on the way out.
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Rove!
Footballguy
I will join this league with two conditions....first, the buy-in has to be very high, at least $1k per team. And second, I have to be the commissioner.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
What's the deal with Grape Nuts?
Bamac
Footballguy
OK, but you have to use Leaguesafe.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Because he didn't get a zero in the receptions column.
steveski
Footballguy
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