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Why should 0 yards and 0 points score 4 points? (1 Viewer)

Leonidas

Footballguy
I don't get it.

Why should Darren Sproles score 4 points (PPR) when he finished with 0 yards and 0 points?

 

Phenix

Footballguy
I think you all are missing his point. I gather what PPR means, but if you are not productive, you should not be awarded points, catching passes or not.

The OP is right on, 4 catches for 0 yards should not warrant any points, should have stipulations on that in PPR.

 

lod01

Footballguy
I think you all are missing his point. I gather what PPR means, but if you are not productive, you should not be awarded points, catching passes or not.

The OP is right on, 4 catches for 0 yards should not warrant any points, should have stipulations on that in PPR.
While you have a point on 'it shouldn't warrant points', I was wondering, just for ####s and giggles, do you play in a league where INT's count against the QB?

 

Leonidas

Footballguy
Because it's PPR......
I don't get it.

Why should Darren Sproles score 4 points (PPR) when he finished with 0 yards and 0 points?
Definition of PPR . . . Point Per Reception. 4 Receptions = 4 Points
Why do people choose to reward 0's with points?

That's my question.

This forum seems to be so full of people who think that playing magic football differently than them (not playing PPR) is just plain stupid...maybe these people can explain to me why a player deserves 4 points for 0 yards and 0 points.

 

lod01

Footballguy
Because it's PPR......
I don't get it.

Why should Darren Sproles score 4 points (PPR) when he finished with 0 yards and 0 points?
Definition of PPR . . . Point Per Reception. 4 Receptions = 4 Points
Why do people choose to reward 0's with points?

That's my question.

This forum seems to be so full of people who think that playing magic football differently than them (not playing PPR) is just plain stupid...maybe these people can explain to me why a player deserves 4 points for 0 yards and 0 points.
We do 1/2 ppr so Sproles only got 2 points in our league. So we got that going for us.

 

SacramentoBob

Footballguy
The same reason we reward 1 yard TD runs more heavily than the 50 yard run that got them on the 1 yard line in the first place; the math is simple even if it doesn't equal the effort or importance of the play.

 

Isotopes

Footballguy
4 catches for 0 points is much different that 4 targets with 0 receptions. He caught the ball four times and in a ppr 'fantasy' league, he earned his 4 points. That is whole concept behind PPR.

The same can be said for leagues that award points for rushing attempts. In one of my leagues, players earn 1 point for every 5 rushing attempts. So, if a rb carries 5 times for 0 yards, he still gets a point.

I disagree with the concept that Sproles production does not warrant any points. This is fantasy football, and I think any attempt to rationalize why a player with 4 catches should not be awarded points is forgetting the 'fantasy' part of this game we all love.

 
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doyler

Footballguy
Because it's PPR......
I don't get it.

Why should Darren Sproles score 4 points (PPR) when he finished with 0 yards and 0 points?
Definition of PPR . . . Point Per Reception. 4 Receptions = 4 Points
Why do people choose to reward 0's with points?

That's my question.

This forum seems to be so full of people who think that playing magic football differently than them (not playing PPR) is just plain stupid...maybe these people can explain to me why a player deserves 4 points for 0 yards and 0 points.
Why does Matt Stafford get credit for a 87 yard pass when he hit Calvin Johnson on a 5 yard slant?

 

Ghost Rider

Footballguy
This is why I like leagues that have different PPR values for each position. I don't like a RB getting more than .5 PPR.

 

steveski

Footballguy
Because it's PPR......
I don't get it.

Why should Darren Sproles score 4 points (PPR) when he finished with 0 yards and 0 points?
Definition of PPR . . . Point Per Reception. 4 Receptions = 4 Points
Why do people choose to reward 0's with points?

That's my question.

This forum seems to be so full of people who think that playing magic football differently than them (not playing PPR) is just plain stupid...maybe these people can explain to me why a player deserves 4 points for 0 yards and 0 points.
You're the only one here saying that one way of playing magical football is better than the other. You started this thread to complain about PPR leagues and you turn it around saying that people who play PPR are complaining about Standard scoring?

I'm sorry you lost this week if that is what this is about.

 
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cstu

Footballguy
I disagree with the concept that Sproles production does not warrant any points. This is fantasy football, and I think any attempt to rationalize why a player with 4 catches should not be awarded points is forgetting the 'fantasy' part of this game we all love.
A big part of FF to me is attempting to put a numerical value on the contribution a player is making to his team. I like PPR for the fact that it decreases the relative value of RB's but I don't think it's an accurate gauge of a player's value in real football (see Edelman for an extreme example).

This is why I like the idea of PPFDR - players only get points when they make a play beneficial to the team.

 

Leonidas

Footballguy
You're the only one here saying that one way of playing magical football is better than the other. You started this thread to complain about PPR leagues and you turn it around saying that people who play PPR are complaining about Standard scoring?

I'm sorry you lost this week if that is what this is about.
I'm not saying that, I'm asking the question. I don't understand why people think it's better. A play that goes for 0 yards is a play that goes for 0 yards. What value does that have? I just don't get it.

And I won this week. Again. 8-2 overall, 5-0 in the leagues that matter. But thanks for pretending to care. lol

 

Isotopes

Footballguy
I disagree with the concept that Sproles production does not warrant any points. This is fantasy football, and I think any attempt to rationalize why a player with 4 catches should not be awarded points is forgetting the 'fantasy' part of this game we all love.
A big part of FF to me is attempting to put a numerical value on the contribution a player is making to his team. I like PPR for the fact that it decreases the relative value of RB's but I don't think it's an accurate gauge of a player's value in real football (see Edelman for an extreme example).

This is why I like the idea of PPFDR - players only get points when they make a play beneficial to the team.
The problem is that is discretionary. Who is going to make the determination of what was beneficial? Using that logic, there would be no 'garbage time' points.

 

Andy Dufresne

Footballguy
The whole idea of PPR leagues is to make it more balanced on a roster for roster basis. Stuff like this is an anomaly and doesn't discredit the premise.

 

steveski

Footballguy
You're the only one here saying that one way of playing magical football is better than the other. You started this thread to complain about PPR leagues and you turn it around saying that people who play PPR are complaining about Standard scoring?

I'm sorry you lost this week if that is what this is about.
I'm not saying that, I'm asking the question. I don't understand why people think it's better. A play that goes for 0 yards is a play that goes for 0 yards. What value does that have? I just don't get it.

And I won this week. Again. 8-2 overall, 5-0 in the leagues that matter. But thanks for pretending to care. lol
The same reason that some leagues use bonuses for going over a certain amount of yards. The same reason different length kicks are worth more than others. The same reason a bobbles pass by a WR that gets intercepted hurts the QB and not the WR. It's magical fantasy football like you said. There is no way that is better. There are just tons of variations.

Again, you started this thread to complain about a certain way of playing fantasy football. Don't play that way if you don't like it. Nobody is forcing you to play in PPR leagues.

 

MoveToSkypager

Footballguy
Because it's PPR......
I don't get it.

Why should Darren Sproles score 4 points (PPR) when he finished with 0 yards and 0 points?
Definition of PPR . . . Point Per Reception. 4 Receptions = 4 Points
Why do people choose to reward 0's with points?

That's my question.

This forum seems to be so full of people who think that playing magic football differently than them (not playing PPR) is just plain stupid...maybe these people can explain to me why a player deserves 4 points for 0 yards and 0 points.
Step 1: Stop mocking yourself.

 

Leonidas

Footballguy
I was hoping somebody would have some kind of theory for why a reception for 0 yards, or one for -4 and then one for +4, was better than incomplete passes.

I guess it isn't.

 

The Jerk

Footballguy
In any format, certain players end up producing far greater in fantasy points than they do in "real" football terms. Of course, this presents an opportunity for a savvy owner to recognize the gap between fantasy and reality and seek those players.

Consider September 12, 2004 (Week 1): Jerome Bettis had 5 carries for 1 yard, with 3 TDs.

Should one yard be worth x points? Well, yes, because that's the way the scoring rules work for that league.

There is arguably more value in a TD specialist than there is in the PPR scenario outlined above, but everyone should know the rules going in and understand how they can create scenarios like 0 yards for 4 points. As others have stated, find a non-PPR league if this is a sufficiently bothersome situation.

 

MoveToSkypager

Footballguy
It's this rock solid argument that Leonidas presents here is why my leagues all switched to 1 PPSBW. Yards don't matter, touchdowns don't matter, wins don't matter. Only Super Bowl wins matter.

Had 6 Ravens on my team last year - championship!

 

steveski

Footballguy
I was hoping somebody would have some kind of theory for why a reception for 0 yards, or one for -4 and then one for +4, was better than incomplete passes.

I guess it isn't.
Dude, just stop.

If fantasy football doesn't make sense to you, then why are you here?

 
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VaTerp

Footballguy
I was hoping somebody would have some kind of theory for why a reception for 0 yards, or one for -4 and then one for +4, was better than incomplete passes.

I guess it isn't.
The reception can keep the clock moving while the incomplete pass does not. Happy now?

 

Bamac

Footballguy
I've had the solution to this kind of arbitrary scoring for some time, but no one seems to like it.

In my league, players don't get points for things like yards and TDs that don't always accurately reflect a player's contribution. Instead, I (the commissioner) watch every game on Game Rewind and assign a point value to every player's performance, taking into account factors such as strength of opponent, game situation, good/bad luck, and "clutchness". This scoring system supports all league types -- you can even include offensive linemen.

Alas, not one person has signed up for this obviously superior league.

 
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Scoresman

Footballguy
Why do defenses playing against the cowboys get credit for interceptions made in the 4th quarter when it's just due to Romo being Romo?

 

jmo87usc

Footballguy
You're the only one here saying that one way of playing magical football is better than the other. You started this thread to complain about PPR leagues and you turn it around saying that people who play PPR are complaining about Standard scoring?

I'm sorry you lost this week if that is what this is about.
I'm not saying that, I'm asking the question. I don't understand why people think it's better. A play that goes for 0 yards is a play that goes for 0 yards. What value does that have? I just don't get it.

And I won this week. Again. 8-2 overall, 5-0 in the leagues that matter. But thanks for pretending to care. lol
I was hoping somebody would have some kind of theory for why a reception for 0 yards, or one for -4 and then one for +4, was better than incomplete passes.

I guess it isn't.
Would you have less of an issue with ppr if players got -1 for every drop? Then you might see how a player deserves credit when they actually catch the ball. I like ppr. It's a good way to balance scoring and I feel the player has earned the point or half point by catching the ball.

 

msudaisy26

Footballguy
I think you all are missing his point. I gather what PPR means, but if you are not productive, you should not be awarded points, catching passes or not.

The OP is right on, 4 catches for 0 yards should not warrant any points, should have stipulations on that in PPR.
So by your theory a quarterback shouldn't lose points for taking a knee at the end of the game even though it is minus 1 yard, it is more important and productive to just milk the clock,.

 

Dizzy

Footballguy
You're the only one here saying that one way of playing magical football is better than the other. You started this thread to complain about PPR leagues and you turn it around saying that people who play PPR are complaining about Standard scoring?

I'm sorry you lost this week if that is what this is about.
I'm not saying that, I'm asking the question. I don't understand why people think it's better. A play that goes for 0 yards is a play that goes for 0 yards. What value does that have? I just don't get it.

And I won this week. Again. 8-2 overall, 5-0 in the leagues that matter. But thanks for pretending to care. lol
Of course you are Dez... we're not judging. We all love you.

To answer your original question... Darren Sproles didn't get any points for his 4 catches for zero yards. His pretend "owners" in fake football leagues got 1 point for each reception.

 

RGIII HTTR

Footballguy
LOL, this is very simple...PPR leagues award points for CATCHES and award points for YARDS. His productivity is measured that he caught the ball, which he is awarded the pts for it. It is regardless that he had 0 yards because he received zero pts for that part. Simple...the point structure rewards catches and that is what he did...caught the ball several times. If you don't like it, change the amount of pts awarded for a catch or get out of PPR league.

 

Dr. Octopus

Footballguy
I was hoping somebody would have some kind of theory for why a reception for 0 yards, or one for -4 and then one for +4, was better than incomplete passes.

I guess it isn't.
I can think of a few scenarios where the former is better than the latter:

1. If you were a QB, it would help your completion percentage rather than hurt it;

2. If your team was winning the game, the receptions would keep the clock moving (or force the other team to use a timeout). The incompletions would stop the clock;

3. If you were a RB or WR, people would make jokes like "stone hands" or "oven mitts" if you dropped three easy passes. That could be psychologically damaging. Just ask Heyward-Bey or Shonn Greene;

4. If you played in a ppr league, 3 points are better than 0 points.

 
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ragnarok628

Footballguy
The same reason we reward 1 yard TD runs more heavily than the 50 yard run that got them on the 1 yard line in the first place; the math is simple even if it doesn't equal the effort or importance of the play.
Maybe the TD points should be divided up among the td contributers by % contribution.

80 yd TD drive: 40 yd catch by WR, 20 yard catch by TE, 15 & 4 yd runs by RB, and 1 yd TD run by RB.

  • WR gets 7 pts total: 4 pts for yards, 3 points for 1/2 a TD
  • TE gets 3.5 pts total: 2 pts for yards, 1.5 points for 1/4 a TD
  • RB gets 3.5 pts total: 2 pts for yards, 1.5 points for 1/4 a TD
Would mitigate the "TD Vulture" frustrations at least!

 

Leonidas

Footballguy
In any format, certain players end up producing far greater in fantasy points than they do in "real" football terms. Of course, this presents an opportunity for a savvy owner to recognize the gap between fantasy and reality and seek those players.

Consider September 12, 2004 (Week 1): Jerome Bettis had 5 carries for 1 yard, with 3 TDs.

Should one yard be worth x points? Well, yes, because that's the way the scoring rules work for that league.

There is arguably more value in a TD specialist than there is in the PPR scenario outlined above, but everyone should know the rules going in and understand how they can create scenarios like 0 yards for 4 points. As others have stated, find a non-PPR league if this is a sufficiently bothersome situation.
Because scoring 3 TD's has no real world value.

I'm guessing someone lost by less than 4pts and missed the venting thread?
You guessed wrong.

Maybe you should try reading the thread. ;)

I actually started Sproles in multiple leagues this week, and faced him in 0. And I won 8 of 10 matchups.

But thanks for playing.

You can pick up your consolation price on the way out.

(it's bath soap, the kind you look at, not use)

 

Leonidas

Footballguy
I was hoping somebody would have some kind of theory for why a reception for 0 yards, or one for -4 and then one for +4, was better than incomplete passes.

I guess it isn't.
I can think of a few scenarios where the former is better than the latter:

1. If you were a QB, it would help your completion percentage rather than hurt it;

2. If your team was winning the game, the receptions would keep the clock moving (or force the other team to use a timeout). The incompletions would stop the clock;

3. If you were a RB or WR, people would make jokes like "stone hands" or "oven mitts" if you dropped three easy passes. That could be psychologically damaging. Just ask Heyward-Bey or Shonn Greene;

4. If you played in a ppr league, 3 points are better than 0 points.
Now that's what I'm talking about!

 

Isotopes

Footballguy
I've had the solution to this kind of arbitrary scoring for some time, but no one seems to like it.

In my league, players don't get points for things like yards and TDs that don't always accurately reflect a player's contribution. Instead, I (the commissioner) watch every game on Game Rewind and assign a point value to every player's performance, taking into account factors such as strength of opponent, game situation, good/bad luck, and "clutchness". This scoring system supports all league types -- you can even include offensive linemen.

Alas, not one person has signed up for this obviously superior league.
I will join this league with two conditions....first, the buy-in has to be very high, at least $1k per team. And second, I have to be the commissioner.

 

Bamac

Footballguy
I've had the solution to this kind of arbitrary scoring for some time, but no one seems to like it.

In my league, players don't get points for things like yards and TDs that don't always accurately reflect a player's contribution. Instead, I (the commissioner) watch every game on Game Rewind and assign a point value to every player's performance, taking into account factors such as strength of opponent, game situation, good/bad luck, and "clutchness". This scoring system supports all league types -- you can even include offensive linemen.

Alas, not one person has signed up for this obviously superior league.
I will join this league with two conditions....first, the buy-in has to be very high, at least $1k per team. And second, I have to be the commissioner.
OK, but you have to use Leaguesafe.
 

mad sweeney

Footballguy
Because it's PPR......
I don't get it.

Why should Darren Sproles score 4 points (PPR) when he finished with 0 yards and 0 points?
Definition of PPR . . . Point Per Reception. 4 Receptions = 4 Points
Why do people choose to reward 0's with points?That's my question.

This forum seems to be so full of people who think that playing magic football differently than them (not playing PPR) is just plain stupid...maybe these people can explain to me why a player deserves 4 points for 0 yards and 0 points.
Because he didn't get a zero in the receptions column.
 

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