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Why Should I Get Married? (1 Viewer)

If the certificate is that meaningful and makes for a more stable foundation, why do half of marriages end in divorce?  Because your points are nothing more than fools gold. 
If you say it on the internet, it must be true.

Can we agree that most relationships break up? So given that, you probably have a better shot at staying together if you are married (according to you, 50% vs... I would guess a ton higher for non-marrieds.)

You seem to be looking for some guarantee. There are none. Or you are trolling. Either way, we've taken this as far as it can go. When you essentially reply with "is not...", I feel like I'm arguing with my little sister when we were kids. 

 
Hey now, there are days I really enjoy being married.

For instance yesterday was a shining example...  i woke up, left early for work before the wife or kids woke up,  then went for a pretty hard day at work,  then it happened to be poker night at the casino with my group of dentists, so i went straight from work to the casino,  then came home after everyone was asleep.

It was a great day, marriage is wonderful!
I know most of your comments on marriage are shtick, but I fee bad for anyone with kids, whose kids are not the highlight of their day.

 
I know most of your comments on marriage are shtick, but I fee bad for anyone with kids, whose kids are not the highlight of their day.
I love my boys...  but because i waited so long to have children, i had 2 pretty much back to back... and the 1st one didn't sleep through the night until 15 mo. in and then second one came a month after that and it's been 10 months and he still doesn't sleep through the night either.. and believe me I've read all the blogs, sleep help books, videos, etc. 

So i'm on the better part of 2+ years running where i haven't slept more than about 5-6 hours in any given night and I've consumed more caffiene in those 2 years than in the previous 34 to stay sharp at work and am just on edge all the time, and am in the worst shape of my life by far.

If I could just get some damn sleep I think my life would improve so much....   this stretch has been hard on the marriage, hard on myself personally, and hard on maintaining friendships...   so while I really enjoy those boys,  the selfish part of me harbors some resent for the significantly decreased quality of life.

On the upside, people told me kids would be expensive... but in reality it's saving me a ton of money...   can't goto restaurants, can't go on a decent vacation,  can't meet my friends at the bars for sports for beers very often...  don't even leave the house that often so vehicle and fuel expenses are all at all-time lows...  my net worth is soaring.

 
I love my boys...  but because i waited so long to have children, i had 2 pretty much back to back... and the 1st one didn't sleep through the night until 15 mo. in and then second one came a month after that and it's been 10 months and he still doesn't sleep through the night either.. and believe me I've read all the blogs, sleep help books, videos, etc. 

So i'm on the better part of 2+ years running where i haven't slept more than about 5-6 hours in any given night and I've consumed more caffiene in those 2 years than in the previous 34 to stay sharp at work and am just on edge all the time, and am in the worst shape of my life by far.

If I could just get some damn sleep I think my life would improve so much....   this stretch has been hard on the marriage, hard on myself personally, and hard on maintaining friendships...   so while I really enjoy those boys,  the selfish part of me harbors some resent for the significantly decreased quality of life.

On the upside, people told me kids would be expensive... but in reality it's saving me a ton of money...   can't goto restaurants, can't go on a decent vacation,  can't meet my friends at the bars for sports for beers very often...  don't even leave the house that often so vehicle and fuel expenses are all at all-time lows...  my net worth is soaring.
OK, sounds like you are probably at the worst stage (that I've experienced) of parenthood.  The lack of sleep does impact quality of life.  I was fortunate (don't know your situation) where my wife was a stay at home mom at this point of my kids life, so we never had those "your turn" fights about who was getting up, she did 95 percent of the time.

Things do change and get a LOT better, but they definitely don't get any cheaper than they are now.

 
On the upside, people told me kids would be expensive... but in reality it's saving me a ton of money...   can't goto restaurants, can't go on a decent vacation,  can't meet my friends at the bars for sports for beers very often...  don't even leave the house that often so vehicle and fuel expenses are all at all-time lows...  my net worth is soaring.
This last paragraph is pure ######## Dentist!   :lmao:

 
OK, sounds like you are probably at the worst stage (that I've experienced) of parenthood.  The lack of sleep does impact quality of life.  I was fortunate (don't know your situation) where my wife was a stay at home mom at this point of my kids life, so we never had those "your turn" fights about who was getting up, she did 95 percent of the time.

Things do change and get a LOT better, but they definitely don't get any cheaper than they are now.
my wife stays at home,   she does 66.66% of the get ups, but that lack of sleep has led her to be a real b sometimes... and I get it..  doing only 33% has made me a pretty crappy person sometimes

 
I know most of your comments on marriage are shtick, but I fee bad for anyone with kids, whose kids are not the highlight of their day.
I love my daughter to death but there are days I'd rather have her already be asleep when I get home (I'm the one who normally has to take her to bed).

 
Anecdotal, but none of these apply to me. Married 17 years, very happy, and have built a nice life / home together. No kids, no religious pressure, no pressure from family, no diamond (eloped in Vegas).

One thing we do have is a mindset that we're building a forever life together. This mindset would not be possible (for us) without the extra step of marriage. In fact, not marrying clearly states "this is good... for now. But don't lock me into it legally." And there's nothing wrong with that if that's what a couple prefers. But the piece of paper does add something (if it didn't, there wouldn't be resistance to it.)

All that said, marriage is no guarantee you'll stay together. It's no guarantee of anything. But I feel it is a different mindset. 
No offense, but you don't have kids so this isn't a meaningful representation of marriage for a vast majority of people.

 
Marriage is taking your commitment to your significant other up a big notch.  You are making a vow.  Often this is done in the company of family and friends.  After that, you live your life according to that vow, to share the ups and downs life brings, taking on the world as partners, building a family...building a life together.  And there's no other person you would want to do that with.  Choose wisely and it can be a beautiful thing.

Marriage is also entering a legal contract, one that can be quite onerous should you choose poorly.  This contract aspect of marriage can turn that vow into a trap.  There are no shortage of stories of people who so badly want to leave their marriage, but feel they cannot due to the reality of financial and/or custodial consequences.  These people are not so much committed to their marriage as they are subjugated to it.

I sometimes wonder who is making the firmer commitment until death do they part: A married or unmarried couple.  The married couple gets huge points for making the witnessed vow and taking on the risks of the legal contract as the unmarried couple always has a comparatively less painless exit should it come to that.  But living together can at times get difficult, especially with the hardships we sometimes encounter in our lives.  If both couples stay together to death, the unmarried couple did so navigating those difficulties without fear of contractual consequences.  They stayed together because they chose to.  Perhaps the married couple felt compelled to avoid the legal consequences of divorce.  This is where I give the unmarried couple big points.  Perhaps for any couple that makes it til death do they part, it's a wash: Both their commitments should be celebrated equally.

 
Now that the subject of prenups has been brought up.... If I am already hedging my bets with a prenup agreement, why get married at all?

In a way, prenups seem like a 'payoff' to the less financially capable person in the relationship.

 
Now that the subject of prenups has been brought up.... If I am already hedging my bets with a prenup agreement, why get married at all?

In a way, prenups seem like a 'payoff' to the less financially capable person in the relationship.
I'm going to be asking for a prenup because I have pre-existing businesses. One I own 100% personally and the other has multiple partners involved. I guess it's a little more complicated than most, but a prenup is must-have for me.

 
You seem to be looking for some guarantee. There are none. Or you are trolling. Either way, we've taken this as far as it can go. When you essentially reply with "is not...", I feel like I'm arguing with my little sister when we were kids. 
No. I'm not looking for either.  You made it sound like a marriage vow made this magical bond appear that wouldn't have otherwise been there.  I don't buy that.  And divorce statistics would support my side of that argument.  

 
Marriage is taking your commitment to your significant other up a big notch.  You are making a vow.  Often this is done in the company of family and friends.  After that, you live your life according to that vow, to share the ups and downs life brings, taking on the world as partners, building a family...building a life together.  And there's no other person you would want to do that with.  Choose wisely and it can be a beautiful thing.

Marriage is also entering a legal contract, one that can be quite onerous should you choose poorly.  This contract aspect of marriage can turn that vow into a trap.  There are no shortage of stories of people who so badly want to leave their marriage, but feel they cannot due to the reality of financial and/or custodial consequences.  These people are not so much committed to their marriage as they are subjugated to it.

I sometimes wonder who is making the firmer commitment until death do they part: A married or unmarried couple.  The married couple gets huge points for making the witnessed vow and taking on the risks of the legal contract as the unmarried couple always has a comparatively less painless exit should it come to that.  But living together can at times get difficult, especially with the hardships we sometimes encounter in our lives.  If both couples stay together to death, the unmarried couple did so navigating those difficulties without fear of contractual consequences.  They stayed together because they chose to.  Perhaps the married couple felt compelled to avoid the legal consequences of divorce.  This is where I give the unmarried couple big points.  Perhaps for any couple that makes it til death do they part, it's a wash: Both their commitments should be celebrated equally.
Again, to beat a dead horse into the ground, why can't you do any/all of these without a piece of paper? 

  • share the ups and downs life brings,
  • taking on the world as partners,
  • building a family...
  • building a life together.  
  • And there's no other person you would want to do that with.  
  • Choose wisely and it can be a beautiful thing.
 
I love my daughter to death but there are days I'd rather have her already be asleep when I get home (I'm the one who normally has to take her to bed).
I could very well just be lucky to have great kids.  We never had issues with bedtimes, so I can't put myself in the shoes of someone who has had to struggle with those issues.  my boys are 12 and 14, so they are at a fun age.  I know once they get to high school, and especially start driving, I will be seeing less and less of them, so I am enjoying it while I can.

 
No. I'm not looking for either.  You made it sound like a marriage vow made this magical bond appear that wouldn't have otherwise been there.  I don't buy that.  And divorce statistics would support my side of that argument.  
Don't get married. Be happy. No argument from me.

 
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Why do you think that's an outlier?  Because of what most guys want?  Or because most women want more child support, alimony and custody than what most men feel is fair?
Neither. It doesn't matter what guys want or what women want in a divorce settlement. You're citing one example where someone you know paid $750 as evidence that marriage doesn't really "lock in" couples. It's an outlier because $750 is no where near the average divorce settlement. I didn't do any research but I'm confident that the average divorce is significantly higher than $750.

 
I'm going to be asking for a prenup because I have pre-existing businesses. One I own 100% personally and the other has multiple partners involved. I guess it's a little more complicated than most, but a prenup is must-have for me.
And in that vein.... what after-divorce amount specified in the prenup would satisfy her?

Half of everything you own?  1/3 of everything?

 
Neither. It doesn't matter what guys want or what women want in a divorce settlement. You're citing one example where someone you know paid $750 as evidence that marriage doesn't really "lock in" couples. It's an outlier because $750 is no where near the average divorce settlement. I didn't do any research but I'm confident that the average divorce is significantly higher than $750.
My example is a couple,where both had jobs.  No kids.  No ill will from someone cheating or being abusive. They sold their house and split the equity.  No divorce lawyers or mediators. In that instance, the "extra commitment" of a marriage was wiped away for less than 400.00 per person.  Wiped off the map like it never existed. So if it is possible to be that easily done, really how big a commitment is a marriage at the end of the day?  

Its not. It only costs more most of the time because of hurt feelings, greed, anger, opportunistic lawyers.  Not because the actual divorce is something difficult to get done. 

 
Paulymaggs said:
And in that vein.... what after-divorce amount specified in the prenup would satisfy her?

Half of everything you own?  1/3 of everything?
Obviously we haven't consulted attorneys just yet, but she would not be entitled to half my businesses/pension. These all pre-dated us meeting. If someone turns out to be a serial-killer, and we divorced in 2 years, theres no way I'd give up half, or even a third of my businesses. It's just a way of protecting in a worst-case scenario.

As long as we're married she's sharing in them anyways. It's not like I wouldn't/don't use this money for her already.

 
Again, to beat a dead horse into the ground, why can't you do any/all of these without a piece of paper

  • share the ups and downs life brings,
  • taking on the world as partners,
  • building a family...
  • building a life together.  
  • And there's no other person you would want to do that with.  
  • Choose wisely and it can be a beautiful thing.
You're asking the wrong group of people - 90% of the guys on FBG will agree with you.

The bigger challenge is trying to convince the woman you love that you don't need that piece of paper.  I'd like to know the success stories of guys that have pulled this off, and if they had an actual strategy in hand or were just lucky enough to be with a woman who didn't care.

 
To a certain extent, even highly successful/good looking/etc guys have "had" to get that marriage cert in our society.

More than a few of them ended up losing half.

 
You're asking the wrong group of people - 90% of the guys on FBG will agree with you.

The bigger challenge is trying to convince the woman you love that you don't need that piece of paper.  I'd like to know the success stories of guys that have pulled this off, and if they had an actual strategy in hand or were just lucky enough to be with a woman who didn't care.


Agreed on that.  For those women who aspire to be "stay at home" moms or for those who work but are allowed to live/spend way above their own incomes means, that marriage certificate is like a winning lottery ticket. You don't beleive that one?  Go to a mall in the middle of a weekday.  

 
Was there any way you could've "kept her around" without marrying her?
We had been dating for 4 years, she got pregnant, it was my fault she got pregnant... My fate was signed, sealed, and delivered. 

If she never got pregnant, maybe I had another few years I could've kept it going, but who knows. 

 
I'm interested in this thread, as it's a question I've asked myself. I've been with a woman going on three years. We've been living together on weekends but are going to move in together in a couple months. That's going to be a big step for me to get used to right there. I really prefer sleeping alone and like my alone time. I'm a writer and keep abnormal hours. But I do feel that I've found the perfect woman to fit me. We get along so easily, have never been in a fight (we'll see if that continues once living together full time) and align in what we want out of life. In our minds, we are already committed for the long term. But we don't want kids, so what's the need to marry? Marriage as an institution means nothing to me. I'm not traditional in any beliefs. She also isn't the typical woman who grew up dreaming of her wedding day. I think she would like to be married to me, but really she just wants us to spend the rest of our lives together.

So if living together goes well, do we get married? That's the question that has crept into my mind. I don't think marriage is a requirement of hers for us to stay together. I've never felt any pressure from her in that regard. The pressure comes from my mother, the traditional old guard. She thinks highly of my girlfriend and has been urging me to propose for two years. Since marriage doesn't have the romantic connotations to me (who would consider romantic the most broken vows in the history of mankind?), the only appeal to me is of a business nature. I make a decent enough sum to comfortably cover my expenses and live relatively well, but she makes more than me and likely always will. She has a good job in business. As a writer, I sacrifice money to do what I enjoy and never have to work out of an office or for a boss. I do have more money than her, though, as she still has a little bit left to pay back in college loans while I'm nine years older and have had more time to save. If we marry, I can piggyback on her health benefits, which would certainly be a plus. People say there are tax benefits. I haven't taken the time yet to look seriously into that, but it could be another advantage. But I think the biggest financial reason to marry would be my mother and stepfather. They are wealthy and I expect my mother would reward us for getting married, probably paying for us to take a great trip ("honeymoon") and giving us money toward the purchase of our first house. If we got married, I expect it wouldn't be with a wedding. We aren't traditional or religious. I'd say we sign the papers, have a nice dinner with about 30 family/friends and then take it to our favorite bar. The possible financial downside to my getting married is if I get a 7-figure inheritance from my mother, and then we end up getting divorced. That's hopefully a long way from being an issue, and I really feel we are lifers. But I suppose that is what everyone thinks when they get married. At this point, I like the idea of building a life together and taking advantage of the increased buying power of our joint finances. I do see us as stronger together. My family's connections can help her make more. She can bring in more annually while I'll bring in more eventually. It looks like a boost to my short-term finances. I really want us to do this (build) together. I see this working because I see us working. Maybe this is naive.

So there's my thoughts. If you're going to have kids, I can see marriage being a way to provide a stable environment, even it is a mirage. If you're not having kids and you find the right woman who doesn't hold the traditional regard for marriage, I don't think it is needed to be committed to each other. If it's financially advantageous, why not? But I'm guessing the OP is looking at it as potentially harmful to his finances. And I'd say most guys get married for a combination of it being what they are supposed to do and the only way they can keep this woman they like in their life after a certain point.


Be wary of that alone time.  Make sure she fully understands this.

 
I actually asked for a prenup as my last out to avoid marriage, it was a Constanza move... It led to some serious arguments and a lot of anger, probably the wrong move. As noted earlier, she was pregnant with my first son, prenup or not, it was game over for me. 

My wife is as cool as a wife could be though, so I'm happy. 

 
This seems to be another one of those threads with a couple of folks who obviously have no intention of being influenced by actual discussion continue to dig their heels in to prove they won't change their minds. i.e. Seems pretty pointless.

 
My example is a couple,where both had jobs.  No kids.  No ill will from someone cheating or being abusive. They sold their house and split the equity.  No divorce lawyers or mediators. In that instance, the "extra commitment" of a marriage was wiped away for less than 400.00 per person.  Wiped off the map like it never existed. So if it is possible to be that easily done, really how big a commitment is a marriage at the end of the day?  

Its not. It only costs more most of the time because of hurt feelings, greed, anger, opportunistic lawyers.  Not because the actual divorce is something difficult to get done. 
Fair point and I understand. However, how many marriages that end don't have hurt feelings, greed, anger or opportunistic lawyers? I'm better not many and that's the point I'm trying to make.

 
I actually asked for a prenup as my last out to avoid marriage, it was a Constanza move... It led to some serious arguments and a lot of anger, probably the wrong move. As noted earlier, she was pregnant with my first son, prenup or not, it was game over for me. 

My wife is as cool as a wife could be though, so I'm happy. 
Sorry, FC, you failed Leykis 101 by not going to the Hail Mary prior to asking for the prenup.

 
I need a prenup pretty quick, but looking forward to getting married soon.  Have been dating her for about 8 years now.

 
This seems to be another one of those threads with a couple of folks who obviously have no intention of being influenced by actual discussion continue to dig their heels in to prove they won't change their minds. i.e. Seems pretty pointless.


:rolleyes:

The most compelling reason given so far, from the male's perspective, is still "to keep her/stop her from leaving".

 
I think that women who fall within two standard deviations from the mean are looking to be taken care of.  The best (only) card they have is a man's instinct to pass on his genetic material.  By withholding the production of spawn, they can force a man to marry them, knowing that after the act has been consummated, they will be entitled to alimony for the rest of their lives.  Now a portion of them have a comfort level with the government being their providers.  If you are lucky enough to find one of these, you do not have to worry because marriage will be off the table.  They will gladly be your human petri dish, as each new whelp will entitle them to a larger monthly paycheck.

 
I think that women who fall within two standard deviations from the mean are looking to be taken care of.  The best (only) card they have is a man's instinct to pass on his genetic material.  By withholding the production of spawn, they can force a man to marry them, knowing that after the act has been consummated, they will be entitled to alimony for the rest of their lives.  Now a portion of them have a comfort level with the government being their providers.  If you are lucky enough to find one of these, you do not have to worry because marriage will be off the table.  They will gladly be your human petri dish, as each new whelp will entitle them to a larger monthly paycheck.
I am afraid that once I go black, I won't go back.  :help:

 
You may be right. What I think I could negotiate prior to marriage is the reward from my mother. She knows I have no interest in getting married, so if I get to a point where I'm even willing to consider it then when she bugs me I can let her know what it would take. At least I'd know there is one large benefit of which I could be certain. And if she says no, I just don't get married.
I don't come from money, so maybe it's not so odd.  But this seems so weird to me.  You're worried about your inheritance in the other post and hoping your parents give you vacation/house-money and this.  Is your parent's money really that important to your life plan?  Hate to break it to you but unless they die early or had you really late you'll be 50+ by the time you get to have it.  And if god forbid one of them lives to 100 you might be too old to enjoy it when they die.

 
I'm very happily married, 30 years this year.  But based on all of my friends who have or are getting screwed in divorces I can see why many are reluctant to tie the knot. Custody battles, kids as pawns, forensic accountants - and it goes on forever.  One it seems like they've been at in court for 10 years. A lot of money down the drain. 19K a month, go to court to get it reduced to 12K. Psycho, rage/vengeance filled ex.  500K in legal fees already.  No thank you.

 
I don't come from money, so maybe it's not so odd.  But this seems so weird to me.  You're worried about your inheritance in the other post and hoping your parents give you vacation/house-money and this.  Is your parent's money really that important to your life plan?  Hate to break it to you but unless they die early or had you really late you'll be 50+ by the time you get to have it.  And if god forbid one of them lives to 100 you might be too old to enjoy it when they die.
Inheritance isn't something I'm worried about per se. I only brought it up in hypothesizing about possible negative outcomes to my getting married. The main disadvantage for a man to marry being expressed in this thread is that the financial damages caused by divorce are too much risk. I'm sure that is true in many cases. In my case, even though I have more net worth than her now by about $70k, she does and likely always will make more than me. So my getting a 7-figure inheritance in the future is the only way I can see a fear of the financial damage from divorce being a real issue in whether or not I should marry her, while wedding gifts from my mother, her having a larger income, getting on her health benefits and possible tax breaks are all financial positives for me to consider marriage.

 
just tell you parents to change the will and give your share to a sibling you trust. :thumbup:

And while the main issue for other is "financial damages" as you put it, it is more like financial RUIN.  You won't have that problem.  Half a million is technically a damaged million, but it's still a hell of a lot of money.  Not to mention you both seem to be doing just fine even without the future money.

And many other guys will say how awful the "using kids and pawns" will be.  That is LIFE ruining. 

I would agree with anyone who says the potential upsides of marriage are astronomically outweighed by the potential catastrophic downsides. 

 
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Inheritance isn't something I'm worried about per se. I only brought it up in hypothesizing about possible negative outcomes to my getting married. The main disadvantage for a man to marry being expressed in this thread is that the financial damages caused by divorce are too much risk. I'm sure that is true in many cases. In my case, even though I have more net worth than her now by about $70k, she does and likely always will make more than me. So my getting a 7-figure inheritance in the future is the only way I can see a fear of the financial damage from divorce being a real issue in whether or not I should marry her, while wedding gifts from my mother, her having a larger income, getting on her health benefits and possible tax breaks are all financial positives for me to consider marriage.
I misinterpreted then, my fault.  I guess I'd look at it this way half of a windfall is still a windfall.  I wouldn't think of inheritance as a downfall to marriage since it's money that may never come to you (parents could lose it with health problems/scams or live old enough that you'll get it too late to matter).  It's like saying you buy a lottery ticket every day and a potential is she could get half of the winnings.  I know it's a lot more likely but it's certainly not a sure thing.

 
If you like money and free time,  you'll be amazed at how much of both you have once you get married and have someone else to spend both of them for you. 

 
Inheritance isn't something I'm worried about per se. I only brought it up in hypothesizing about possible negative outcomes to my getting married. The main disadvantage for a man to marry being expressed in this thread is that the financial damages caused by divorce are too much risk. I'm sure that is true in many cases. In my case, even though I have more net worth than her now by about $70k, she does and likely always will make more than me. So my getting a 7-figure inheritance in the future is the only way I can see a fear of the financial damage from divorce being a real issue in whether or not I should marry her, while wedding gifts from my mother, her having a larger income, getting on her health benefits and possible tax breaks are all financial positives for me to consider marriage.
Well, if you are "marrying up" like this.....

 

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