Why should Trump be removed from office? (1 Viewer)

[2Squirrels1Nut]

He's a proven pathological liar.  Over 10,000 since he has taken office. That should be enough right there. 

 

[bostonfred]

"The impeachment inquiry into Donald J. Trump, the 45th President of the United States, uncovered a months-long effort by President Trump to use the powers of his office to solicit foreign interference on his behalf in the 2020 election. As described in this executive summary and the report that follows, President Trump’s scheme subverted U.S. foreign policy toward Ukraine and undermined our national security in favor of two politically motivated investigations that would help his presidential reelection campaign. The President demanded that the newly-elected Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelensky, publicly announce investigations into a political rival that he apparently feared the most, former Vice President Joe Biden, and into a discredited theory that it was Ukraine, not Russia, that interfered in the 2016 presidential election. To compel the Ukrainian President to do his political bidding, President Trump conditioned two official acts on the public announcement of the investigations: a coveted White House visit and critical U.S. military assistance Ukraine needed to fight its Russian adversary."

https://intelligence.house.gov/report/

 

[Don't Noonan]

Deficit - meaningless . It's just a number. It will go up regardless of who is POTUS. The amount it goes up does not matter and we have over 3 decades of proof that it doesn't matter. Remember, 'oh your children will suffer for these huge 1980's deficits'? I don't see anyone suffering that actually wants to get ahead. record low unemployment.

healthcare - same thing. Costs always go up regardless of who is POTUS.

GDP. What's your problem?

Trade wars - we are winning and has little to no effect on our economy.

impeachment - another massive D failure with absolutely no legs. Trump will be elected POTUS again.

Like I said. We are rolling.

 

[IC FBGCav]

The impeachment is pure show.  Saying I don't like Trump with no teeth to it.  Dems just jump on board with extending the Patriot act and some limiting SSI stuff if overbuget bs(didn't research that yet)If they were really concerned there would have been a fight.  Simple political dog and pony show.  Corporates love Trumps economics and cuts.

 

[bostonfred]

I disagree its meaningless.  The continued rosing cost of debt service os not a good thing nor anything smooth about it.

Healthcare...its gotten worse under Trump even as much issues as there have with ACA.  With no solution on the horizon.  That isn't running smoothly.

GDP?  Are you kidding?  In an economy like Trump claims it os...to be sub 3 constantly while adding this much to the debt is not a good number at all. 
 

Trade wars...we aren't winning...we are going further into debt to subsidize farmers because of the lost trade.  The deficits aren’t  paying us as he claims and he is adding more in places like Brazil.  Thus far...he hasn’t successfully negotiated any positive trade deal for the US that has been ratified...has he?  That again is not things running smoothly.  And to claim these trade issues have no effect on our economy?

None of this has anything to do with the thread topic. Please take it somewhere else.

 

[bostonfred]

The impeachment is pure show.  Saying I don't like Trump with no teeth to it.  Dems just jump on board with extending the Patriot act and some limiting SSI stuff if overbuget bs(didn't research that yet)If they were really concerned there would have been a fight.  Simple political dog and pony show.  Corporates love Trumps economics and cuts.

For people who support impeachment and removal from office, why should he be removed? 

This is not a thread for trump supporters.  This is not a thread to debate whether Trump committed crimes. This is a thread for people who support impeachment and removal to clearly articulate why.  Please be respectful of this purpose.

 

[IC FBGCav]

Sry bro. Just read title

 

[bostonfred]

It's frustratingly difficult to have this conversation here.  I don't understand it.  I asked what i think is a simple question, and clearly laid out what i wanted from this thread.  Dozens of people who spend whole days arguing about these exact things have checked in to the thread.  This should be easy.

A large number of people here support impeachment and removal.  That's a really big thing to ask a Republican controlled Senate to do and a big thing to ask independent voters to not only support but demand.  There should be a very clear explanation of why he needs to be removed.  Not just a listing of crimes, not a list of bad things he's done or lies he's told, not an explanation of why he shouldn't be president.  A clear explanation of why the Senate should vote to remove him from power, and why the people should demand it.  

If you support removal - specifically and only removal - then why is removal the only option? 

 

[Don't Noonan]

It's frustratingly difficult to have this conversation here.  I don't understand it.  I asked what i think is a simple question, and clearly laid out what i wanted from this thread.  Dozens of people who spend whole days arguing about these exact things have checked in to the thread.  This should be easy.

A large number of people here support impeachment and removal.  That's a really big thing to ask a Republican controlled Senate to do and a big thing to ask independent voters to not only support but demand.  There should be a very clear explanation of why he needs to be removed.  Not just a listing of crimes, not a list of bad things he's done or lies he's told, not an explanation of why he shouldn't be president.  A clear explanation of why the Senate should vote to remove him from power, and why the people should demand it.  

If you support removal - specifically and only removal - then why is removal the only option? 

That is because there is no impeachable offense committed by Trump.  

 

[IC FBGCav]

It's frustratingly difficult to have this conversation here.  I don't understand it.  I asked what i think is a simple question, and clearly laid out what i wanted from this thread.  Dozens of people who spend whole days arguing about these exact things have checked in to the thread.  This should be easy.

A large number of people here support impeachment and removal.  That's a really big thing to ask a Republican controlled Senate to do and a big thing to ask independent voters to not only support but demand.  There should be a very clear explanation of why he needs to be removed.  Not just a listing of crimes, not a list of bad things he's done or lies he's told, not an explanation of why he shouldn't be president.  A clear explanation of why the Senate should vote to remove him from power, and why the people should demand it.  

If you support removal - specifically and only removal - then why is removal the only option? 

Write your own thesis

 

[MAC_32]

It's frustratingly difficult to have this conversation here.  I don't understand it.  I asked what i think is a simple question, and clearly laid out what i wanted from this thread.  Dozens of people who spend whole days arguing about these exact things have checked in to the thread.  This should be easy.

A large number of people here support impeachment and removal.  That's a really big thing to ask a Republican controlled Senate to do and a big thing to ask independent voters to not only support but demand.  There should be a very clear explanation of why he needs to be removed.  Not just a listing of crimes, not a list of bad things he's done or lies he's told, not an explanation of why he shouldn't be president.  A clear explanation of why the Senate should vote to remove him from power, and why the people should demand it.  

If you support removal - specifically and only removal - then why is removal the only option? 

Ivan answered in post 8

 

[bostonfred]

That is because there is no impeachable offense committed by Trump.  

I've asked you repeatedly not to post this here. I made a simple request which you have acknowledged but your continued actions in this thread are disrespectful and proof that you're a bad faith actor.  Shame on you.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

This simply isn't  true

If you disagree, it's helpful to state the basis for your disagreement.

 

[Don't Noonan]

If you disagree, it's helpful to state the basis for your disagreement.

Will do

 

[Ghost Rider]

I've asked you repeatedly not to post this here. I made a simple request which you have acknowledged but your continued actions in this thread are disrespectful and proof that you're a bad faith actor.  Shame on you.

Are you a mod? Are you allowed to tell people what they can and cannot post? 

 

[IC FBGCav]

Are you a mod? Are you allowed to tell people what they can and cannot post? 

Meh

 

[bostonfred]

Are you a mod? Are you allowed to tell people what they can and cannot post? 

No, I'm not a mod. And I'm not reporting anyone, asking anyone to be banned, or threatening anyone with some kind of moderator action. I have asked a specific question, set out guidelines for how i would like this thread to work, asked that specific poster to follow those guidelines, observed them acknowledging the request, observed them continuing to act in bad faith after that request, and I am factually stating that they have done so and are acting in bad faith.  That's not a moderator action. You seem confused. 

Yes, that's how discussion threads work. Literally every thread starts with the OP explaining what they expect from the thread.  In this thread i not only explained what i wanted in the first post but repeated it to try to guide a conversation i would like to have.  Nobody is required to follow those rules, but I will reiterate them and ask people to follow them without asking the moderators to do extra work for no extra pay to support my request.  If you choose to contribute that would be great.  If you choose not to that's your call. 

 

[FBG Moderator]

No, I'm not a mod. And I'm not reporting anyone, asking anyone to be banned, or threatening anyone with some kind of moderator action. I have asked a specific question, set out guidelines for how i would like this thread to work, asked that specific poster to follow those guidelines, observed them acknowledging the request, observed them continuing to act in bad faith after that request, and I am factually stating that they have done so and are acting in bad faith.  That's not a moderator action. You seem confused. 

Yes, that's how discussion threads work. Literally every thread starts with the OP explaining what they expect from the thread.  In this thread i not only explained what i wanted in the first post but repeated it to try to guide a conversation i would like to have.  Nobody is required to follow those rules, but I will reiterate them and ask people to follow them without asking the moderators to do extra work for no extra pay to support my request.  If you choose to contribute that would be great.  If you choose not to that's your call. 

I'm sorry but that's just not how it works. The Trump guys can ask the Non Trump guys to stay out of their thread. But that's not really going to happen. Same here. Do your best to lay out what you're looking for. But once it's going, it's out of your control. Best to not try to tell people what they can post. 

 

[Dickies]

It's frustratingly difficult to have this conversation here.  I don't understand it.  I asked what i think is a simple question, and clearly laid out what i wanted from this thread.  Dozens of people who spend whole days arguing about these exact things have checked in to the thread.  This should be easy.

A large number of people here support impeachment and removal.  That's a really big thing to ask a Republican controlled Senate to do and a big thing to ask independent voters to not only support but demand.  There should be a very clear explanation of why he needs to be removed.  Not just a listing of crimes, not a list of bad things he's done or lies he's told, not an explanation of why he shouldn't be president.  A clear explanation of why the Senate should vote to remove him from power, and why the people should demand it.  

If you support removal - specifically and only removal - then why is removal the only option? 

Ivan answered in post 8

Yep, I haven’t posted reasons because IK stated it more eloquently than I can. 

 

[bostonfred]

I'm sorry but that's just not how it works. The Trump guys can ask the Non Trump guys to stay out of their thread. But that's not really going to happen. Same here. Do your best to lay out what you're looking for. But once it's going, it's out of your control. Best to not try to tell people what they can post. 

Ok, I'm done here.  Thanks for a lot of good memories. 

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

If you support removal - specifically and only removal - then why is removal the only option? 

Because he's been proven to have committed numerous crimes against the United States, and removal is the Constitutional remedy for a criminal President.

It still feels like you're really asking us to "make the case to the satisfaction of the most loyal Trump supporters."  Rather than accepting answers to your original question.

 

[Don't Noonan]

Because he's been proven to have committed numerous crimes against the United States, and removal is the Constitutional remedy for a criminal President.

This simply is not true.   Trump has not been charged with any crimes.  Proven??!!!     Come on man!

 

[Juxtatarot]

This simply is not true.   Trump has not been charged with any crimes.  Proven??!!!     Come on man!

Something else that might help.  It is appropriate to use common sense to connect dots.  I think you might be thinking that every bit of evidence has to stand alone somehow.

 

[lazyike]

Many have said let the voters decide whether he deserves 4 more years. Problem is at least than half of the country have any idea of what he has done to deserve an impeachment inquiry in the first place. And the numbers in Red states or battleground states are even less than that including most Republican members of Congress. 

 

[bostonfred]

This is an interesting point. If the idea is how do we push the impeachometer from ~50% to say a 65/70/75% compelling GOP Senators to act, I suppose this is one way to do it. I think the problem here is it basically turns the President, personally, into a threat to the country. Basically the mushroom cloud scenario explaining why the threat is imminent and of the greatest magnitude.

- This isn’t just an argument that ceding massive powers to the President poses risks, it’s saying this is an ongoing struggle, a conflict. It’s extremely problematic because of the reaction it might engender from Trump supporters, and really frankly we haven’t really heard this put forth by Dems, even though it’s arguably true.

It turns out this is exactly what they did btw

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Mainly because it would make a lot of people happy.