Why was Ronnie Brown selected ahead of Cadillac? (1 Viewer)

[bumpman]

Caddy reminds me a lot of Michael Bennett.

I hope you mean his health. There is certainly no comparison in ability.

I actually think Bennett is more talented RB and a better receiver, although Caddy does display a bit more elusiveness. Both of these guys were first rounders and Bennett did backdoor his way into a Pro Bowl. Bennett = 4.4yd per rush avg, 85yd longest TDBennett = 8.3yd per rec avg, 80yd longest TDCaddy = 4.0yd per rush career avg, 71yd longest TDCaddy = 4.2yd per rec avg, 15yd longest TDBoth of them are fast twitch, home run threat RBs. But they lack the durability and overall frame of a prototypical NFL RB. It doesn't mean Caddy won't be successful, but I do think he is vastly overrated by some at this point.

I don't see the analogy between Bennett and Caddy. Bennett is a fast straight line runner. He did not have the "fast twitch" that you say. He was like a missile. Point him in a direction and watch him go in a line. He would often run into his own blockers from behind because he didn't have the vision and change of direction ability to get around them. There is no comparison in running talent. Caddy is an order of magnitude better than Bennett as a runner

 

[Sleeper 43]

Discuss. With all the varied opinions, I'd like to have a thread just discussing this one point. Why was Ronnie taken ahead of Cadillac in the NFL draft when he couldn't beat him out for the starter's job at Auburn?

Well if Cadillac is so good why didnt he beat out Ronnie for the job?

I agree with your entire post, but I'm confused by this statement.Caddy was the Auburn starter over RB.

Mark - Although the game programs require a starting RB, I think its safe to say Caddy and Ronnie were RB 1a and 1b vs 1st string/2nd string. You HAVE to start someone at the begining of a game but often times these Rb's where interchangable depending on the matchup. Its was no secret both of them had NFL written on them even before game 1 of thier final season at Auburn. And when i say beat him out i do mean keep ronnie on the bench. in thier last season the coach didnt have to worry about pleasing the rbs and truley play the better man. Yet he still used both.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Well if Cadillac is so good why didnt he beat out Ronnie for the job? Point is, and i mean no disrepect but, its a silly question. There is soo many thunder and lightning combos in the history of college and NFL who were both worthy of seeing playing time on the field. They are two different styles of starters. Some teams are just fotunate enough to have more than one NFL prospect go to thier school. How do you keep them from transfering if your a coach? Give them both playing time. In fact, I'm sure alot of folks on here know but, Brandon Jacobs was in fact on the same Auburn team as Ronnie Brown and Caddy. I think Brandon Jacobs can carry an NFL load with sucess but he was thier 3rd best RB. The coach couldnt keep 3 stud RB's happy and Jacobs left after 1 season.Ok so another aspect of your question, Ronnie and Caddy are 2 different styles.Ronnie Brown was graded as having some of the best RB hands (cathing the ball out of the backfield) in YEARS. There was even a few who said Ronnie Brown had the best hands of ANYONE in his entire draft class.Caddy has good hands but not on Ronnies level.Ronnie Brown is clearly larger in stature than Caddy as well. In this day and age considering thier weight difference Ronnie ran a nice 40 (caddys was still better by a small margin). Ronnie can lower his shoulder and never gets the bad end of the stick. Hes a true bruiser who wants to show people he can be finesse as well.Caddy is special in one way that Ronnie will never hang. Quick Twich . Quick Twich is that turn on a dime reflex that made Barry Sanders so good. It wasnt his 40 time Its was Quick Twich. The ability for your body to respond to what your mind tells it to do at superior speed than standard RBs. Caddy is a finesse player who wants to show people he can be a bruiser as well.I believe Ronnie,Caddy and Brandon Jacobs will all have successful NFL careersAnd they all have special charactoristics that the others arent as good at but for the most part none of them are "weak" in one particular category.

Ronnie Brown had a faster 40 time than Caddy, not slower.

 

[Liquid Tension]

If this is the case you are mistaken as there is simply no question that Brown is better all around. If I concede that Caddy is better when the rock is in his hands, it is clear that Brown is a better receiver, and blocker and is faster and bigger and stronger; being able to move the pile. I also believe that Brown scored higher on the wonderlick (if that means anything) Not sure where any level comes into play?

Last I checked, the better running back is the one who is better when the rock is in his hands. [/quote name+ 'MLBrandow"/]]

Why so quiet now during the season and your boy looks horrible? I think Ronnie has looked alot better with the ball in his hands so far. Last time I checked the better running back is the one that loos better witht he rock in his hands.

Just to clarify something, I said, "if I concede that Caddy is better when the rock is in his hands" it doesn't mean that caddy is the better all around RB. I am not really ready to concede that, but the point was even if I did, RB still may be a more valuable professional running back if he is slightly worse than caddy while actually running because of his threat to catch the ball, his GREAT blocking and picking up blitz' and possibly his durability (really unknown).After 3 games I can see that the folks on the Caddy side were very wrong about the durability of RB and have been very wrong about Caddy being better short yardage runner. RB has shown the ability to constantly fall forward for a few yards after contact. he has consistently been hit behind the lien of scrimmage only to break a tackle and then get hit by two guys at the LOS and then push the pile for a 2 yard run. the Dolphins OL is putrid. Caddy doesn't have it much better, but I am sure the Dolphins are very happy with their choice at this time. The truth is that TB shouldn't be unhappy with their choice either

 

[gump]

I mentioned this in another thread...but...

Carnell Williams did not look hurt in any way on Sunday. He was jumping, dancing, and rallying his teammates on the bench.

He also ran very hard.

The back "injury" is meaningless.

 

[Sabertooth]

I mentioned this in another thread...but...

Carnell Williams did not look hurt in any way on Sunday. He was jumping, dancing, and rallying his teammates on the bench.

He also ran very hard.

The back "injury" is meaningless.

X

 

[gump]

I mentioned this in another thread...but...

Carnell Williams did not look hurt in any way on Sunday. He was jumping, dancing, and rallying his teammates on the bench.

He also ran very hard.

The back "injury" is meaningless.

X

1) He played the next 11 games, then sat out the last 2 due to a FOOT injury.2) There is no mention of any back issues from Footballguys after my post HERE.

3) The only news this Spring is of him working on strengthening his feet.

What's your point?

 

[tomarken]

Could he have made a mistake? Of course, but Ronnie shouldn't be discounted from being a monster back in this league until he gets a chance to prove otherwise this season.

Nobody is saying he wont be a good back, we're just saying he shouldn't have been drafted ahead of Caddy.In six months this comparison will be a lot more clear after Caddy outperforms Brown again.

 

[Sabertooth]

I mentioned this in another thread...but...

Carnell Williams did not look hurt in any way on Sunday. He was jumping, dancing, and rallying his teammates on the bench.

He also ran very hard.

The back "injury" is meaningless.

X

1) He played the next 11 games, then sat out the last 2 due to a FOOT injury.2) There is no mention of any back issues from Footballguys after my post HERE.

3) The only news this Spring is of him working on strengthening his feet.

What's your point?

Just wanted to get your dander up this morning. He became such a non factor last season that I thougth it would be funny to bump this post again. I forgot that it was his foot.Actually I like Caddy much more this season than last. I'm funny that way. The hype has died and I think Jeff Garcia is >>>> than any of the yahoos they put out there last season. Although I have to admit that Simms passed the toughness test. If he doesn't make it in the NFL he could work on a crab boat in the Bering sea! He really impressed me there.

 

[gump]

I mentioned this in another thread...but...

Carnell Williams did not look hurt in any way on Sunday. He was jumping, dancing, and rallying his teammates on the bench.

He also ran very hard.

The back "injury" is meaningless.

X

1) He played the next 11 games, then sat out the last 2 due to a FOOT injury.2) There is no mention of any back issues from Footballguys after my post HERE.

3) The only news this Spring is of him working on strengthening his feet.

What's your point?

Just wanted to get your dander up this morning. He became such a non factor last season that I thougth it would be funny to bump this post again. I forgot that it was his foot.Actually I like Caddy much more this season than last. I'm funny that way. The hype has died and I think Jeff Garcia is >>>> than any of the yahoos they put out there last season. Although I have to admit that Simms passed the toughness test. If he doesn't make it in the NFL he could work on a crab boat in the Bering sea! He really impressed me there.

Nonfactor is right...the whole team was a nonfactor. As a Buc fan, I'm struggling with Caddy's worth. He obviously has a lot of talent...there has never been a question of that. So what do we blame last year on? I know it's been debated over and over...I just can't help but think he will be much better healthy and with an improved OL and QB. He's got too much natural running ability not to be.

 

[Sabertooth]

I mentioned this in another thread...but...

Carnell Williams did not look hurt in any way on Sunday. He was jumping, dancing, and rallying his teammates on the bench.

He also ran very hard.

The back "injury" is meaningless.

X

1) He played the next 11 games, then sat out the last 2 due to a FOOT injury.2) There is no mention of any back issues from Footballguys after my post HERE.

3) The only news this Spring is of him working on strengthening his feet.

What's your point?

Just wanted to get your dander up this morning. He became such a non factor last season that I thougth it would be funny to bump this post again. I forgot that it was his foot.Actually I like Caddy much more this season than last. I'm funny that way. The hype has died and I think Jeff Garcia is >>>> than any of the yahoos they put out there last season. Although I have to admit that Simms passed the toughness test. If he doesn't make it in the NFL he could work on a crab boat in the Bering sea! He really impressed me there.

Nonfactor is right...the whole team was a nonfactor. As a Buc fan, I'm struggling with Caddy's worth. He obviously has a lot of talent...there has never been a question of that. So what do we blame last year on? I know it's been debated over and over...I just can't help but think he will be much better healthy and with an improved OL and QB. He's got too much natural running ability not to be.

It was almost like the Perfect Storm down there last season. Perfect #### storm that is. I see no way that he repeats his 2006 performance.

 

[az_prof]

Does ANYONE think Carnell Williams will be a better back than Ronnie Brown now?

 

[ImTheScientist]

Does ANYONE think Carnell Williams will be a better back than Ronnie Brown now?

 

[Colin Dowling]

Does ANYONE think Carnell Williams will be a better back than Ronnie Brown now?

 

[Sabertooth]

Does ANYONE think Carnell Williams will be a better back than Ronnie Brown now?

How's that 8 track working for ya?

 

[gregjcross]

Does ANYONE think Carnell Williams will be a better back than Ronnie Brown now?

I have owned Ronnie since day 1 and the reality is that with their ups and downs they have performed similarly, Brown has slightly been better over two years --where both had marginal offensive support.

I dont see it changing drastically in2007 and both should continue to get better with experience.

Caddy is the more creative runner while the Big Old Stone is the power player.

Arguing which one is dominant is pointless as neither one is at this point--that isnt the case in this here thread.

 

[Loomba]

I have always like Brown over Caddy by a little bit. Still do. Just think he is the more powerful runner and that that will come through over time. Neither has had a very good offensive team to work with however.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Does ANYONE think Carnell Williams will be a better back than Ronnie Brown now?

How's that 8 track working for ya?

Same number of games...similar yardage...similar TDs....wondering how it is that the discussion favors Brown in any non-negligible way...

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Does ANYONE think Carnell Williams will be a better back than Ronnie Brown now?

How's that 8 track working for ya?

Same number of games...similar yardage...similar TDs....wondering how it is that the discussion favors Brown in any non-negligible way...

Let's see...combined stats for 2005-06Caddy - 515 carries for 1976 yards, 3.8 yds per carry, 7 rushing TDs50 catches for 277 yards, 5.5 ypc, 0 receiving TDsRonnie - 448 carries for 1915 yards, 4.3 yds per carry, 9 rushing TDs65 catches for 508 yards, 7.8 ypc, 1 receiving TDRonnie wins in yards per carry and per catch by a sizeable margin. He has more total yards (2423 vs. 2253), more receiving yards, more TDs.Caddy only wins in rushing yards - because he had 67 more carries. There may be sound reasons why Caddy has underperformed Ronnie, but at this point statistically Brown has done better with his opportunities.

 

[Construction Man Jim]

The question at the end of this season may well be: why were either of them starting ahead of Brandon Jacobs?

 

[Colin Dowling]

Does ANYONE think Carnell Williams will be a better back than Ronnie Brown now?

How's that 8 track working for ya?

Same number of games...similar yardage...similar TDs....wondering how it is that the discussion favors Brown in any non-negligible way...

Let's see...combined stats for 2005-06Caddy - 515 carries for 1976 yards, 3.8 yds per carry, 7 rushing TDs50 catches for 277 yards, 5.5 ypc, 0 receiving TDsRonnie - 448 carries for 1915 yards, 4.3 yds per carry, 9 rushing TDs65 catches for 508 yards, 7.8 ypc, 1 receiving TDRonnie wins in yards per carry and per catch by a sizeable margin. He has more total yards (2423 vs. 2253), more receiving yards, more TDs.Caddy only wins in rushing yards - because he had 67 more carries. There may be sound reasons why Caddy has underperformed Ronnie, but at this point statistically Brown has done better with his opportunities.

...which doesn't matter in the slightest considering they are both young, working with revamped OLs and QBs and not likely to give up "bell cow" duties any time soon. My money is still on Carnell.

 

[SproutDaddy]

The question at the end of this season may well be: why were either of them starting ahead of Brandon Jacobs?

Probably because when given the chance to perform at the college level working with the same teammates on offense Caddy was the one that stood out. Ronnie was second in line.

 

[Construction Man Jim]

The question at the end of this season may well be: why were either of them starting ahead of Brandon Jacobs?

Probably because when given the chance to perform at the college level working with the same teammates on offense Caddy was the one that stood out. Ronnie was second in line.

So talent always wins out and politics never enter the equation?

 

[TitusIII]

Hopefully we will all see why in 2007, but I'm not holding my breath. Ronnie's line and situation simply stinks, it really isn't his fault.

 

[duaneok66]

The question at the end of this season may well be: why were either of them starting ahead of Brandon Jacobs?

because the coach had good sense . . .

 

[SproutDaddy]

The question at the end of this season may well be: why were either of them starting ahead of Brandon Jacobs?

Probably because when given the chance to perform at the college level working with the same teammates on offense Caddy was the one that stood out. Ronnie was second in line.

So talent always wins out and politics never enter the equation?

Yes. This is football. There are no politics in football. Although, there is a football player in polititcs.

 

[gump]

The question at the end of this season may well be: why were either of them starting ahead of Brandon Jacobs?

Probably because when given the chance to perform at the college level working with the same teammates on offense Caddy was the one that stood out. Ronnie was second in line.

So talent always wins out and politics never enter the equation?

Yes...Tommy Tubberville was playing political games on the field and sitting his better players while his bosses were flying to and fro Louisville hiring another coach in the middle of the night.

 

[Sabertooth]

Does ANYONE think Carnell Williams will be a better back than Ronnie Brown now?

How's that 8 track working for ya?

Same number of games...similar yardage...similar TDs....wondering how it is that the discussion favors Brown in any non-negligible way...

Caddy = less than 1000 combined yards and one touchdown last year.Ronnie = over 1250 and 5 touchdowns last year.So I don't know what in the heck you are talking about. 25% more yards and 500% of the touchdowns in 2006 with Joey Harrington at the helm. I know you are probably fishing at this point but some arguments you have to admit you are simply wrong about.

 

[Sabertooth]

Hopefully we will all see why in 2007, but I'm not holding my breath. Ronnie's line and situation simply stinks, it really isn't his fault.

And yet he's still better than Caddy.

 

[Construction Man Jim]

Yes...Tommy Tubberville was playing political games on the field and sitting his better players while his bosses were flying to and fro Louisville hiring another coach in the middle of the night.

You 're right - Tuberville was under tremendous pressure - but I think you draw the wrong conclusion. He was in no position to do anything but play it safe. Which is what he did, sticking with the guys who were already proven and established.It's not like Jacobs didn't demonstrate talent or produce when given the opportunity. RUSHING............GP...Att....Gain....Loss...Net....Avg...TD...Long...Avg/G-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------C. Williams..........13...241...1388....81.....1307...5.4...17...80......100.5Brandon Jacobs...13...72.....466......20.....446....6.2...3.....44......34.3Ronnie Brown......11...95.....479......33.....446....4.7...5.....29......40.5Tre Smith............13...37....149.......8.......141....3.8...6.....15.....10.8Considering Auburn finished 8-5 in 2003, maybe he should have played Jacobs more?

 

[gump]

Yes...Tommy Tubberville was playing political games on the field and sitting his better players while his bosses were flying to and fro Louisville hiring another coach in the middle of the night.

You 're right - Tuberville was under tremendous pressure - but I think you draw the wrong conclusion. He was in no position to do anything but play it safe. Which is what he did, sticking with the guys who were already proven and established.It's not like Jacobs didn't demonstrate talent or produce when given the opportunity. RUSHING............GP...Att....Gain....Loss...Net....Avg...TD...Long...Avg/G-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------C. Williams..........13...241...1388....81.....1307...5.4...17...80......100.5Brandon Jacobs...13...72.....466......20.....446....6.2...3.....44......34.3Ronnie Brown......11...95.....479......33.....446....4.7...5.....29......40.5Tre Smith............13...37....149.......8.......141....3.8...6.....15.....10.8Considering Auburn finished 8-5 in 2003, maybe he should have played Jacobs more?

Seriously...Carnell had 170 more carries than Jacobs...are you going to compare their YPC?Auburn went 13-0 the following season behind Carnell Williams, who was All-American and All-SEC at RB AND Kick Returner.If sticking with the guy who has accomplished more than Jacobs in high school, college, and the pros in playing it safe...then I guess Tubs did.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Did the back injury ever exist? If so what was it? I heard rumors, but never saw anything official.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Yes...Tommy Tubberville was playing political games on the field and sitting his better players while his bosses were flying to and fro Louisville hiring another coach in the middle of the night.

You 're right - Tuberville was under tremendous pressure - but I think you draw the wrong conclusion. He was in no position to do anything but play it safe. Which is what he did, sticking with the guys who were already proven and established.It's not like Jacobs didn't demonstrate talent or produce when given the opportunity. RUSHING............GP...Att....Gain....Loss...Net....Avg...TD...Long...Avg/G-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------C. Williams..........13...241...1388....81.....1307...5.4...17...80......100.5Brandon Jacobs...13...72.....466......20.....446....6.2...3.....44......34.3Ronnie Brown......11...95.....479......33.....446....4.7...5.....29......40.5Tre Smith............13...37....149.......8.......141....3.8...6.....15.....10.8Considering Auburn finished 8-5 in 2003, maybe he should have played Jacobs more?

Seriously...Carnell had 170 more carries than Jacobs...are you going to compare their YPC?Auburn went 13-0 the following season behind Carnell Williams, who was All-American and All-SEC at RB AND Kick Returner.If sticking with the guy who has accomplished more than Jacobs in high school, college, and the pros in playing it safe...then I guess Tubs did.

 

[Sabertooth]

The question at the end of this season may well be: why were either of them starting ahead of Brandon Jacobs?

As one of the few Auburn fans on this board, I'll take a shot at this answer. During Brandon's one year at AU, the backfield was ridiculously crowded with Caddy, Ronnie, Brandon, and Trey. Trey never did anything else, but at the start of the 03 season, he was coming off of a huge game against Alabama at the end of the 02 season and people were high on him. There weren't enough carries to go around. Add to this, that Brandon couldn't catch, pick up a blitz, or give a damn while on the practice field only added to him getting pushed down the depth chart.I've watched a lot more games with Ronnie and Caddy than most the board, and I realize comparing SEC to NFL is pretty pointless, but Ronnie has always been the better more complete back. Why did Caddy start? Ronnie was terrible his RS freshman year (01), and didn't come into his own until getting a chance half way through 02. Additionally, Caddy was a pretty strong Tennessee lean for most of his recruiting, until Tuberville made a last ditch recruiting visit to Carnell's house, and PROMISED him immediate playing time and the starting position. This wasn't that hard to promise going into the 01 season, as Rudi Johnson had left in 00 and there was open competition for the job. Then Williams went out and proved he deserved the starting job over Brown during the 01 season. He was named the starter and never did anything to lose that job. Then during the 02 season, he was injured and Ronnie showed his worth. Coming in the the 03 season, Auburn had the crowded backfield and a terrible offensive coordinator, as Bobby Petrino had left after one season in 02. The entire 03 season was a bust, but both backs still produced. Again Cadillac never did anything to lose the job. 04 brought in a new OC, who was able to use both backs properly. Basically my longwinded blurb is saying Cadillac never did anything to lose the job, after claiming it during the 01 season, and that's why he was the starter.

Wow, very good response. With all the turmoil surrounding the team, it's amazing that both these RBs went so high in the NFL draft.

 

[Construction Man Jim]

Yes...Tommy Tubberville was playing political games on the field and sitting his better players while his bosses were flying to and fro Louisville hiring another coach in the middle of the night.

You 're right - Tuberville was under tremendous pressure - but I think you draw the wrong conclusion. He was in no position to do anything but play it safe. Which is what he did, sticking with the guys who were already proven and established.It's not like Jacobs didn't demonstrate talent or produce when given the opportunity. RUSHING............GP...Att....Gain....Loss...Net....Avg...TD...Long...Avg/G-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------C. Williams..........13...241...1388....81.....1307...5.4...17...80......100.5Brandon Jacobs...13...72.....466......20.....446....6.2...3.....44......34.3Ronnie Brown......11...95.....479......33.....446....4.7...5.....29......40.5Tre Smith............13...37....149.......8.......141....3.8...6.....15.....10.8Considering Auburn finished 8-5 in 2003, maybe he should have played Jacobs more?

If you breakdown Brandon's stats, you'll see he did all of that against pretty weak competition and had a minimal impact in games against quality opponents.USC - no carriesGTech - 1/1Vandy - 14/73WKU - 10/103/1UT - 3/19Ark - 3/10MSU - 31/182LSU - 1/3ULM - 10/51/2Ole Miss - no carriesUGA - no carriesBama - no carriesWisconsin - no carries (bowl game)ETA-grammar aint EZ

That's why he left. He was never given a fair shake. He only got the carries he did because Ronnie was hurt.Clearly the whole situation was frustrating for him. They tried to convert him to LB!But I'd be shocked if he wasn't working in practice. His work ethic with the Giants has been outstanding. Character has not been an issue. Also he's far superior to Caddy in the hands and pass protection departments so I doubt those were legitimate issues. Anyway, my only point was, I think it will become apparent that Auburn had an insanely talented stable of RBs in 2003. And Jacobs may just end up being the best of the bunch.

 

[duaneok66]

Yes...Tommy Tubberville was playing political games on the field and sitting his better players while his bosses were flying to and fro Louisville hiring another coach in the middle of the night.

You 're right - Tuberville was under tremendous pressure - but I think you draw the wrong conclusion. He was in no position to do anything but play it safe. Which is what he did, sticking with the guys who were already proven and established.It's not like Jacobs didn't demonstrate talent or produce when given the opportunity.

RUSHING............GP...Att....Gain....Loss...Net....Avg...TD...Long...Avg/G

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

C. Williams..........13...241...1388....81.....1307...5.4...17...80......100.5

Brandon Jacobs...13...72.....466......20.....446....6.2...3.....44......34.3

Ronnie Brown......11...95.....479......33.....446....4.7...5.....29......40.5

Tre Smith............13...37....149.......8.......141....3.8...6.....15.....10.8

Considering Auburn finished 8-5 in 2003, maybe he should have played Jacobs more?

If you breakdown Brandon's stats, you'll see he did all of that against pretty weak competition and had a minimal impact in games against quality opponents.USC - no carries

GTech - 1/1

Vandy - 14/73

WKU - 10/103/1

UT - 3/19

Ark - 3/10

MSU - 31/182

LSU - 1/3

ULM - 10/51/2

Ole Miss - no carries

UGA - no carries

Bama - no carries

Wisconsin - no carries (bowl game)

ETA-grammar aint EZ

That's why he left. He was never given a fair shake. He only got the carries he did because Ronnie was hurt.Clearly the whole situation was frustrating for him. They tried to convert him to LB!

But I'd be shocked if he wasn't working in practice. His work ethic with the Giants has been outstanding. Character has not been an issue. Also he's far superior to Caddy in the hands and pass protection departments so I doubt those were legitimate issues.

Anyway, my only point was, I think it will become apparent that Auburn had an insanely talented stable of RBs in 2003. And Jacobs may just end up being the best of the bunch.

and you base this on something besides pure speculation???

 

[Construction Man Jim]

He wasn't given a "fair shake" because he wouldn't work in practice. I'm sure that's not nationally known, but it was common knowledge around the program.converting him to LB was a ploy to motivate him and tatum bell

Either he matured suddenly after leaving Auburn or there was more to that situation. Because not working in practice simply doesn't jive with his character. Work ethic wasn't an issue at Southern Illinois and definitely hasn't been with the Giants. Tatum Bell went to Oklahoma State btw.

 

[Construction Man Jim]

and you base this on something besides pure speculation???

It's my opinion. I've expounded upon it enough elsewhere (see the Jacobs spotlight for reference).

 

[Sabertooth]

Does ANYONE think Carnell Williams will be a better back than Ronnie Brown now?

Can you hear me now? How far are the Caddy guys willing to take this one?