Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Both are a Free Agent in 2012 so I don't understand not trying to get something for these players in a lost season, especially Wayne. I would be more hesitant to trade Mathis.
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Why would Jim Irsay say this? (1 Viewer)
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Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
I consider Irsay smarter than this. Is it a smoke screen to get more?
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Perhaps. Perhaps he can lose them in Free Agency or resign them after the season. The NFL still rewards compensatory picks, right? He'd probably fetch a pretty good one for Wayne I'd think. Mathis might be even better.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
I forgot about the comp picks. As for resigning them, forget about Wayne.
TheFootballJesus
Footballguy
Just get the feeling the colts feel pretty strongly about their chances to resign both in the offseason. Even with peyton's issues....when you have a QB of his caliber you can't just go into rebuilding mode and trade your top WR and one of your best defensive players.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
There is your first problem. The guy is a complete dope who spouts off daily via twitter.
Shane Falco
Footballguy
Hey Jim- don't press send
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
He's been plenty smart enough over the years. Start with the signing of Polian and then Dungy.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
Problem is he had a track record before, and now after, those signings. . . . the current coach will be gone before he finishes this first year. And he has a problem trying to stay in the limelight. He should be not seen and not heard. Just my humble opinion.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Why are you calling this Caldwell's first year? He's been their coach 3 years counting this year and that's 3 years too long. He's a terrible coach.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
You do? Why? He's been making a fool out of himself on Twitter for months, tweeting like a 14-year old girl about team business. I've lost ALL respect for him, when also taking into account the fact that the team he's built is nothing without Manning (which I always believed to be the case anyhow). Pathetic.
Tackling Dummies
Footballguy
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Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Don't be so narrow minded. Sure, what he's doing on Twitter is stupid, but it doesn't change the fact that he hired Bill Polian and Tony Dungy. You can't say what Polian did in drafting over the years didn't contribute to their success and that includes many players other than Peyton Manning, such as Freeney, Harrison, Clark, Wayne, Mathis, Edgerrin James, and signed countless undrafted FAs that have contributed to their success. I haven't liked his drafting prior to last year going back about 3 or 4 years, but that doesn't take away from the success he's had at Indy as a whole. Also, whether anyone wants to believe it or not, Tony Dungy was good for the Colts.
TarheelBlue
Footballguy
Please trade Wayne... p p p p leeease? 
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Look what OchoCinco and Brandon Lloyd were traded for and they were under contract. I doubt that team is going to give up much for the right to sign Wayne to a huge contract.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
He is a POS. He leaks information to the media about how Peyton will never be 100%, but then he wants to work out a new contract with him:_______________________________________________________________Irsay seems like the biggest POS ever. Does he like sounding like a #####? Geez, dude.
Peyton Manning, QB IND
News: The Indianapolis Star reports that Colts owner Jim Irsay is open to QB Peyton Manning remaining with the team and finishing his NFL career where it began, but the ultimate decision will rest with Manning. “We can make it work if he wants to be here," Irsay said. “We’d be excited to have him back and finish his career with us. I want him to be able to make the choice. We would love to have him back here if he can get healthy and we can look at doing a contract that reflects the uncertainty of the ... healing process with the regeneration of the nerve." Irsay expects to meet with Manning within the next seven days to discuss Manning’s career with the Colts. Manning is due a $28 million option bonus by March 8 that activates the final four years of the five-year, $90 million contract he signed in July. If Irsay does not pay the bonus, Manning becomes an unrestricted free agent. Manning missed the entire 2011 season after undergoing single-level, anterior fusion surgery Sept. 8. Any new contract with the Colts undoubtedly would be incentive-laden and tied to playing time. “There’s no question it can be worked out if he wants to be here," Irsay said. “It can work if he wants to come back and can get back to being the old Peyton."
Analysis: The Colts are expected to draft Andrew Luck with the No. 1 overall pick, but Manning can still return as the starter if healthy. The bottom line with Manning is until the public sees him throw or work in practice we won't know where he's at in his recovery. The Colts also have to make a decision on his contract or else he can sign with a new team, with Arizona, Miami and Washington the likely suitors. If healthy, Manning will remain a No. 1 Fantasy QB no matter where he plays, but he has to prove that his neck is 100 percent. Continue to monitor what happens with Manning, and hopefully he can resume his career without any problems.
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Peyton confronted him publicly with doctors that said he would be good to go in 2012, so now he is making it "Peyton's Choice" on whether or not to come back to the Colts. It is not Peyton's choice because he is under contract, it is Irsay's decision to pay the man or to cut him loose.
Note to Irsay: everyone knows you are not going to pay Manning the 28 million. Just hold a press conference to shake hands with him and wish him luck. Stop being a jackhole.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
If it really isn't about $$$$$$ and Peyton wants to play with the same team for his entire career, why doesn't he just take less money to stay with the Colts? He has to know the Colts can't pay him that kind of money given the current situation.He is a POS. He leaks information to the media about how Peyton will never be 100%, but then he wants to work out a new contract with him:_______________________________________________________________Irsay seems like the biggest POS ever. Does he like sounding like a #####? Geez, dude.
Peyton Manning, QB IND
News: The Indianapolis Star reports that Colts owner Jim Irsay is open to QB Peyton Manning remaining with the team and finishing his NFL career where it began, but the ultimate decision will rest with Manning. “We can make it work if he wants to be here," Irsay said. “We’d be excited to have him back and finish his career with us. I want him to be able to make the choice. We would love to have him back here if he can get healthy and we can look at doing a contract that reflects the uncertainty of the ... healing process with the regeneration of the nerve." Irsay expects to meet with Manning within the next seven days to discuss Manning’s career with the Colts. Manning is due a $28 million option bonus by March 8 that activates the final four years of the five-year, $90 million contract he signed in July. If Irsay does not pay the bonus, Manning becomes an unrestricted free agent. Manning missed the entire 2011 season after undergoing single-level, anterior fusion surgery Sept. 8. Any new contract with the Colts undoubtedly would be incentive-laden and tied to playing time. “There’s no question it can be worked out if he wants to be here," Irsay said. “It can work if he wants to come back and can get back to being the old Peyton."
Analysis: The Colts are expected to draft Andrew Luck with the No. 1 overall pick, but Manning can still return as the starter if healthy. The bottom line with Manning is until the public sees him throw or work in practice we won't know where he's at in his recovery. The Colts also have to make a decision on his contract or else he can sign with a new team, with Arizona, Miami and Washington the likely suitors. If healthy, Manning will remain a No. 1 Fantasy QB no matter where he plays, but he has to prove that his neck is 100 percent. Continue to monitor what happens with Manning, and hopefully he can resume his career without any problems.
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Peyton confronted him publicly with doctors that said he would be good to go in 2012, so now he is making it "Peyton's Choice" on whether or not to come back to the Colts. It is not Peyton's choice because he is under contract, it is Irsay's decision to pay the man or to cut him loose.
Note to Irsay: everyone knows you are not going to pay Manning the 28 million. Just hold a press conference to shake hands with him and wish him luck. Stop being a jackhole.
houndirish
Footballguy
Classic case of the owner trying to shift public perception that a Peyton Manning departure would be becuase Peyton doesn't want to be in Indy as opposed to Irsay not wanting to pay him. I don't blame Irsay for not wanting to pony up the dough, it's a lot of cash. Peyton's health is no sure bet and the Colts are perfectly positioned to draft a longterm successor. Giving Peyton his walking papers almost seems like it's the move the HAS to be made. But don't be a tool and cower from the potential public backlash that comes with being the guy who ushered Peyton out of Indy. Despite what Irsay thinks, the public is smarter than that and we do see through this ruse. Irsay really needs a PR rep. .... and a muzzle.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
With all this tweeting by him, it shows the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. I thought he was a lot better than his father in every way in running a football team. I guess I was mistaken. He appears to be an idiot.
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I don't have a horse in the race one way or the other.....but I'm really not sure why people are having a problem with the way Irsay is handling things.....
pretend it is your $28 mil......what would you do....it's great that Peyton has been a HOF type player and led the Colts to some great seasons.....but that doesn't mean a guy has to make incredibly stupid business decisions just because somebody has been a good player for him....one could argue Irsay is taking the high road here, basically saying we may be willing to work something out with a guy who may not even be able to play again....
I don't think any of you would give him the $28 mil and I would almost bet if actually put in the situation you wouldn't just come out and say "I'm not giving you the money, best of luck"....you would try to continue to respect the relationship and keep the doors open....allowing the player to have some of the control....Peyton knows that under the circumstances he is not worth the $28 mil, so let him set what he thinks his market value is and see how many people bite....Irsay is a least saying he is willing to listen instead of just saying my new toy is pulling into the garage see you later....
if I was a Colts fan....I would want him to let Peyton go, it seems like the best decision for the franchise....I would really care less about how he goes about it.....in the end it is all going to come out the same...."under the circumstances we could not agree on a new contract, thanks for all you have done, good luck".....
Peyton is in a world of hurt right here cause this ain't a bum knee....nobody likes neck injuries....
pretend it is your $28 mil......what would you do....it's great that Peyton has been a HOF type player and led the Colts to some great seasons.....but that doesn't mean a guy has to make incredibly stupid business decisions just because somebody has been a good player for him....one could argue Irsay is taking the high road here, basically saying we may be willing to work something out with a guy who may not even be able to play again....
I don't think any of you would give him the $28 mil and I would almost bet if actually put in the situation you wouldn't just come out and say "I'm not giving you the money, best of luck"....you would try to continue to respect the relationship and keep the doors open....allowing the player to have some of the control....Peyton knows that under the circumstances he is not worth the $28 mil, so let him set what he thinks his market value is and see how many people bite....Irsay is a least saying he is willing to listen instead of just saying my new toy is pulling into the garage see you later....
if I was a Colts fan....I would want him to let Peyton go, it seems like the best decision for the franchise....I would really care less about how he goes about it.....in the end it is all going to come out the same...."under the circumstances we could not agree on a new contract, thanks for all you have done, good luck".....
Peyton is in a world of hurt right here cause this ain't a bum knee....nobody likes neck injuries....
houndirish
Footballguy
Agreed ... I don't see a line of people (besides homers) saying the Colts should be paying manning. Irsay's criticism is the spin he continues to try and put on this to keep the heat off of him. That and his inability to stay out of the limelight. You'd think someone that clearly isn't comfortable with the possible negative fan reaction to losing Peyton would be more reclusive in anticipation of what seems to be the obvious ending. Instead the guy can't keep his mouth shut and keeps offering soundbytes to the media horde. Irsay clearly wants to be in the spotlight but also craves being cast as the good guy, which ain't gonna happen.
Shutout
Footballguy
I guess I would say something practical and truthful, like "We paid a lot of money last year and stuck by him and we are at a position where NONE of us know if it would be wise to continue forward. We recognize what he has meant to the team and league, and if he is cleared to pay, we will match any offer offered to him by any other team to stay." Fair enough. This is just really gotten ugly and, to me, seems like Irsay is just wanting to look like the good guy and I think that is impossible. If Manning is able to come back and play in the league anywhere near what he has in the past, this move will go down as being almost as bad as when the Colts got moved out of Baltimore.
Shutout
Footballguy
Rule #1: When people say it isn't about the money, ITS ALWAYS ABOUT THE MONEY!If it really isn't about $$$$$$ and Peyton wants to play with the same team for his entire career, why doesn't he just take less money to stay with the Colts? He has to know the Colts can't pay him that kind of money given the current situation.He is a POS. He leaks information to the media about how Peyton will never be 100%, but then he wants to work out a new contract with him:_______________________________________________________________Irsay seems like the biggest POS ever. Does he like sounding like a #####? Geez, dude.
Peyton Manning, QB IND
News: The Indianapolis Star reports that Colts owner Jim Irsay is open to QB Peyton Manning remaining with the team and finishing his NFL career where it began, but the ultimate decision will rest with Manning. “We can make it work if he wants to be here," Irsay said. “We’d be excited to have him back and finish his career with us. I want him to be able to make the choice. We would love to have him back here if he can get healthy and we can look at doing a contract that reflects the uncertainty of the ... healing process with the regeneration of the nerve." Irsay expects to meet with Manning within the next seven days to discuss Manning’s career with the Colts. Manning is due a $28 million option bonus by March 8 that activates the final four years of the five-year, $90 million contract he signed in July. If Irsay does not pay the bonus, Manning becomes an unrestricted free agent. Manning missed the entire 2011 season after undergoing single-level, anterior fusion surgery Sept. 8. Any new contract with the Colts undoubtedly would be incentive-laden and tied to playing time. “There’s no question it can be worked out if he wants to be here," Irsay said. “It can work if he wants to come back and can get back to being the old Peyton."
Analysis: The Colts are expected to draft Andrew Luck with the No. 1 overall pick, but Manning can still return as the starter if healthy. The bottom line with Manning is until the public sees him throw or work in practice we won't know where he's at in his recovery. The Colts also have to make a decision on his contract or else he can sign with a new team, with Arizona, Miami and Washington the likely suitors. If healthy, Manning will remain a No. 1 Fantasy QB no matter where he plays, but he has to prove that his neck is 100 percent. Continue to monitor what happens with Manning, and hopefully he can resume his career without any problems.
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Peyton confronted him publicly with doctors that said he would be good to go in 2012, so now he is making it "Peyton's Choice" on whether or not to come back to the Colts. It is not Peyton's choice because he is under contract, it is Irsay's decision to pay the man or to cut him loose.
Note to Irsay: everyone knows you are not going to pay Manning the 28 million. Just hold a press conference to shake hands with him and wish him luck. Stop being a jackhole.
I guess I don't get this....under the circumstances....Manning is going to be asked to take a pay cut.....just like any player would in this situation....thats what "doing a contract based on the uncertainty" means....and ultimately it will be Peyton's decision on whether or not he wants to accept that contract offer....there is a figure out there that at some point the Colts are probably willing to say the gamble is worth it....I can't imagine any team agreeing to a huge contract with him right now...
Touchdown There
Footballguy
You are looking at it in the way you want to look at it. Peyton Manning has a contract right now. The Colts own that contract and if they do not pay it, Manning can sign with any other playoff ready team. There are a lot a different ways this can play out, but there is no way Peyton is going to sign a smaller contract before hitting free agency. He will want to talk with other teams. He does not want to be on the same team as Luck, because after a loss he does not want to hear the boobirds call for his backup. Irsay is afraid of going 6-10 next year while the Redskins sign Manning and go to the playoffs. He needs to embrace a youth movement on his team and hope for the best.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
As far as I know, the trading deadline passed during the season and the trading window does not open again until the roll over to the new season in March. I doubt any team can make a trade involving players at the moment. Trades for picks might be allowed, but I don't think teams can move players for the next few weeks.
no way in the world would he say this.....nobody would
Touchdown There
Footballguy
Sure he would. Doing it would be different.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Didn't Irsay complain recently about Manning not keeping this stuff in-house? Now he's doing the same damn thing with his recent comments. I can see it now, the fans jump all over Irsay about his handling of Manning and he retaliates by doing the exact same thing his dumb father did by moving the team to another city.
The "general public" never really knew Jim Irsay prior to Twitter...now we all know him, for all the wrong reasons. Mark Cuban is one of the few owners who uses social media (most stay away from it though) that has actually bettered his image, and even that cost him 500k plus for the pleasure of insulting people. Guys like Irsay need to get off the thing pronto.
Rohn Jambo
Footballguy
This old fart acts like he found his #### again for the first time. Somebody shut him up.
Tackling Dummies
Footballguy
We no longer have the oppotunity to see an Al Davis Power Point Presentation, so please do not encourage Irsay to stop tweeting.
I guess the thing is I could really care less how big of a tool this guy is and how he is handling things.....but from a business perspective most every other owner would be handling this the same way....no way you give him the $28 but you let him know you are willing to talk about other options...
whatever contract Peyton ends up getting from somebody....it will probably involve very little guaranteed money or signing bonus.....which isn't very cap friendly and usually not what players like to hear....bad situation and a tough call for owners that are interested....is Peyton willing to sign a 1 year type deal....?
whatever contract Peyton ends up getting from somebody....it will probably involve very little guaranteed money or signing bonus.....which isn't very cap friendly and usually not what players like to hear....bad situation and a tough call for owners that are interested....is Peyton willing to sign a 1 year type deal....?
I'm tired of the boohoo for Peyton stuff. Please realise that the franchise is a business also. Why would a business put $28MM into a fading product that may not even peform ever again. If he truely wants to play for Indy, then he needs to sit down and face the facts. Restructuring his contract is the only way he has a chance in Indy or anywhere else for that matter. The guy has been great to this city, but we have paid him well. Why do we owe him something at this point?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
:greatposting:I don't approve of Irsay and his tweets, but in the end Peyton has to restructure if he wants to be a Colt. Hell, he probably has to play for incentive deals anywhere.
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I agree with this, though I would say if I'm Manning and I know they're drafting Luck, I wouldn't take a pay cut, I'd leave. Not because they're moving on from him as much as they're not trying to better their team to help him win a SB now. They could have traded the pick for a king's ransom and put some more talent to help them go for a SB, but they're taking a guy for the future (If Manning stayed). So there's no way he should restructure if he wants to play for a contender (IMO of course); the Colts are basically drafting for tomorrow.
I agree with this 100000%. He really should only be allowed to tweet when monitored by a trained professional. I guess when you own the team though, who is going to tell you no.
We could have traded the pick and put together a solid team going for one last SB, but who would be our QB when Peyton couldn't play or got hurt? What happens if he just plain can't come back from the injury and be the Peyton of old? Too many risks there for just one last SB run.What would be really insteresting, is if this had been a year in which there wasn't this super QB prospect coming into the NFL. I'm not sure what the Colts would have done at that point. A high chance of them doing what you outlined (obviously the 1.01 wouldn't be worth as much though.)
I agree, and think both sides are much better served if they amicably part ways. I think the writing is on the wall, but don't like the way Irsay is going about it at all. He said a while back he could afford Manning's full salary and still draft Andrew Luck. Now he comes out and says the opposite. He chides Manning for making public comments about the situation, saying it should be kept in-house, then he publicly comes out and comments on the situation. The guy is a mess IMO and has zero credibility in terms of trust at this point.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
I think you have missed most of the conversation. This is not about Peyton Manning, but about Irsay being a clown. This is a situation where a rich boy inherited a team and does not know how to handle his business with class.You say that Peyton Manning needs to "sit down and face the facts". In reality, he does not have to sit down with Irsay. This is the off-season. PM does not have to be in the Colts building at all and reports are out that PM has been working out at Duke. If Peyton sits down with Irsay it will be in hopes that his time with the Colts can end on a pleasant note."Restructuring his contract is the only way he has a chance in Indy or anywhere else for that matter." This is 50% incorrect. Irsay has made it public that he will not pay the 28 million and that a restructuring is the only way PM will play for the Colts. Once Irsay opts out of the payment, the Colts contract is void and does not get applied to a new team. PM will become an unrestricted free agent and he will agree to terms with a different team.You are jumping in this conversation with a question that reads "Why would a business put $28MM into a fading product that may not even peform ever again." Who are you asking this question to? Most people believe that Irsay should not pay the 28 million, even big Peyton Manning fans like me. It is a business decision and the proper move is to release Peyton and move on with a new QB and coaches.You are writing the above as if you are a Colts fan, so time to get your facts straight. "Why do we owe him something at this point?" What Irsay owes PM is a hand shake and a "thank you". No one is doing any "boohoo for Peyton stuff".
I don't agree I missed the conversation. I commented on the above statement made by Kanil.
Have you never heard that statement "sit down and face the facts?" I didn't literally mean he had to sit down with Irsay...come on man.
I would say that I'm fairly accurate in my statement. Please show me a team (after the Colts release him) that is going to payout $28MM+ for him to play for them in 2012.
Asking the person I quoted in my post.
I am 100% a Colts fan. Not sure what facts you are actually speaking about that aren't straight. Agreed, Irsay needs to stop playing the PR games and release Peyton. The statement I quoted spoke of "treating PM like that." Sounds like boohoo to me.
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Touchdown There
Footballguy
Maybe your loyalty to the horseshoe is fogging your glasses. There are other threads about Peyton Manning. This thread is about Irsay playing some sort of a game with Peyton Manning. This makes Irsay low-class, because what he "owes" PM is respect, not money.
We'll end it here with the fact that I agree Irsay is a total slime-ball.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Luck was playing on a college team with one of the best Olines and a potent running attack. I believe the expectations are way too high for him in Indy. (especially in fantasy)
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Touchdown There
Footballguy
He has big shoes to fill with impossible expectations.
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