Why would the Texans want Reggie Bush? (1 Viewer)

[MallRat]

Didn't Houston sign Domanick Davis to a 5-year, $22M deal, with a $5M signing bonus? It just seems that among all of the needs that the Texans have going into 2006, running back isn't one of them.Enlighten me, o wizened sages of football...

 

[bts4bkfst]

Perhaps it's because he's the best prospect to come out at least since the texans have been around and probably longer. you won't be asking this question after he lights up the horns

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Even if they dont take him, they are gonna drum up talk like they are taking him to get the most value for that first pick.

 

[jurb26]

Because if you have the opportunity to draft the best NFL porspect in the last 15 (or whatever they are calling him) years.... you do it.

 

[MallRat]

Perhaps it's because he's the best prospect to come out at least since the texans have been around and probably longer. you won't be asking this question after he lights up the horns

If he's such a great prospect, then wouldn't the 49ers or Jets give up multiple draft picks to get him?It's the quantity vs. quality thing. The Texans need a lot. They don't need a running back. Looks like a perfect situation to trade down.

 

[MallRat]

Even if they dont take him, they are gonna drum up talk like they are taking him to get the most value for that first pick.

Ah... now THAT makes sense.-MR

 

[Jason Wood]

Perhaps it's because he's the best prospect to come out at least since the texans have been around and probably longer.  you won't be asking this question after he lights up the horns

If he's such a great prospect, then wouldn't the 49ers or Jets give up multiple draft picks to get him?It's the quantity vs. quality thing. The Texans need a lot. They don't need a running back. Looks like a perfect situation to trade down.

Who says they won't? But the art in trading down is convincing the world [and yourselves] that you are willing to stay at the spot and take the "best player available." Lots of reports had Saban trading down out of the 2nd spot but it didn't happen, he stuck to his guns and took Ronnie Brown b/c that was the top guy on their board.

Fans act like it's so easy to trade down from the top spot and get value. It's most certainly not. Luckily for the teams picking 1st and 2nd this year, there is a perception of Bush + Leinart being elite, thus creating a top-heavy draft for the first time in several years. That lends itself to being able to move the pick more readily for "value."

 

[P Boy]

Perhaps it's because he's the best prospect to come out at least since the texans have been around and probably longer.  you won't be asking this question after he lights up the horns

Quoted for posterity.Bush hasn't come close to seeing a D as fast or as strong as the 'Horns, and we ought to get a good education as to whether Bush really is a Gale Sayers clone or not.

 

[jurb26]

Perhaps it's because he's the best prospect to come out at least since the texans have been around and probably longer. you won't be asking this question after he lights up the horns

Quoted for posterity.Bush hasn't come close to seeing a D as fast or as strong as the 'Horns, and we ought to get a good education as to whether Bush really is a Gale Sayers clone or not.

What like OU last year.... Big 12 = Overrated.

 

[stbugs]

Perhaps it's because he's the best prospect to come out at least since the texans have been around and probably longer.  you won't be asking this question after he lights up the horns

If he's such a great prospect, then wouldn't the 49ers or Jets give up multiple draft picks to get him?It's the quantity vs. quality thing. The Texans need a lot. They don't need a running back. Looks like a perfect situation to trade down.

Who says they won't? But the art in trading down is convincing the world [and yourselves] that you are willing to stay at the spot and take the "best player available." Lots of reports had Saban trading down out of the 2nd spot but it didn't happen, he stuck to his guns and took Ronnie Brown b/c that was the top guy on their board.

Fans act like it's so easy to trade down from the top spot and get value. It's most certainly not. Luckily for the teams picking 1st and 2nd this year, there is a perception of Bush + Leinart being elite, thus creating a top-heavy draft for the first time in several years. That lends itself to being able to move the pick more readily for "value."

Fans do talk like it is easy because we obviously can just discuss it, but why do we talk like it never happens. Last year, of course it made sense for SF to trade down because no one really liked Alex Smith. I liken it to when the Wizards (from DC area) had to take Kwame Brown with the #1 pick. Sometimes you luck out with Shaquille or Lebron or Duncan and sometimes you get screwed with Kwame.The number one pick has been traded 2 times in the last 5 years (Vick and Manning). The other three times, the top pick has been Alex Smith, David Carr and Carson Palmer. Palmer was probably the other tradeable player, but to be honest, until this year I don't know if everyone was as high on him as they are now. Carr and Smith would have been very tough to trade and both teams had holes at QB, so they pretty much had no choice.

Like you said, if Bush is the next coming, which he sure seems to be hyped as, then the Texans or New Orleans will have no problem trading him for a nice bounty Vick and Manning both garnered high (#4/#5) picks in the current draft as well as future #1 picks.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Perhaps it's because he's the best prospect to come out at least since the texans have been around and probably longer.  you won't be asking this question after he lights up the horns

Quoted for posterity.Bush hasn't come close to seeing a D as fast or as strong as the 'Horns, and we ought to get a good education as to whether Bush really is a Gale Sayers clone or not.

What like OU last year.... Big 12 = Overrated.

How did Reggie Bush do against the Sooners? I forget...

 

[jurb26]

Perhaps it's because he's the best prospect to come out at least since the texans have been around and probably longer. you won't be asking this question after he lights up the horns

Quoted for posterity.Bush hasn't come close to seeing a D as fast or as strong as the 'Horns, and we ought to get a good education as to whether Bush really is a Gale Sayers clone or not.

What like OU last year.... Big 12 = Overrated.

How did Reggie Bush do against the Sooners? I forget...

They left Bush and his wheels in the garage that day.... they weren't needed as I recall.

 

[secretid]

Even if they dont take him, they are gonna drum up talk like they are taking him to get the most value for that first pick.

This is totally irrational. There is no way that the Texans will keep the #1 pick and NOT take Bush, it would be a waste when they could trade down.So... if Bush is definitely going at the #1 spot (he is), why does a team care whether it's Houston taking him or someone who traded there? They don't, either way they know that they need to trade for the #1 spot if they want to have Bush.

 

[P Boy]

What like OU last year.... Big 12 = Overrated.

I'm no UT fan by any means, and I agree with the susceptability of the Big 12 - but make no mistake about this Texas team. You want some good advice: Play the money line of Texas & enjoy the windfall.

 

[coolnerd]

Perhaps it's because he's the best prospect to come out at least since the texans have been around and probably longer.  you won't be asking this question after he lights up the horns

If he's such a great prospect, then wouldn't the 49ers or Jets give up multiple draft picks to get him?It's the quantity vs. quality thing. The Texans need a lot. They don't need a running back. Looks like a perfect situation to trade down.

Who says they won't? But the art in trading down is convincing the world [and yourselves] that you are willing to stay at the spot and take the "best player available." Lots of reports had Saban trading down out of the 2nd spot but it didn't happen, he stuck to his guns and took Ronnie Brown b/c that was the top guy on their board.

Fans act like it's so easy to trade down from the top spot and get value. It's most certainly not. Luckily for the teams picking 1st and 2nd this year, there is a perception of Bush + Leinart being elite, thus creating a top-heavy draft for the first time in several years. That lends itself to being able to move the pick more readily for "value."

Fans do talk like it is easy because we obviously can just discuss it, but why do we talk like it never happens. Last year, of course it made sense for SF to trade down because no one really liked Alex Smith. I liken it to when the Wizards (from DC area) had to take Kwame Brown with the #1 pick. Sometimes you luck out with Shaquille or Lebron or Duncan and sometimes you get screwed with Kwame.The number one pick has been traded 2 times in the last 5 years (Vick and Manning). The other three times, the top pick has been Alex Smith, David Carr and Carson Palmer. Palmer was probably the other tradeable player, but to be honest, until this year I don't know if everyone was as high on him as they are now. Carr and Smith would have been very tough to trade and both teams had holes at QB, so they pretty much had no choice.

Like you said, if Bush is the next coming, which he sure seems to be hyped as, then the Texans or New Orleans will have no problem trading him for a nice bounty Vick and Manning both garnered high (#4/#5) picks in the current draft as well as future #1 picks.

It will be more of a problem than meets the eye. Look at the posts for the teams near the top of the draft, they all want to trade down for the same reason you are saying trade down for the Texans. All of these 3 and 4 win teams have multiple issues to resolve, so they have to be convinced to give up draft picks which can help resolve their multiple issues. As for Bush, remember the same question being talked about on this board will be the same ones which scouts and general managers will also be asking. Think that prior two the twice in five years the top pick had not been traded in like 8-10. If I remember correctly, there is an average of only one trade down out of the top five over the last 10-12 years. Trading down (@ the top of the draft) is not uncommon, but not as common as we fans like to discuss it.

 

[coolnerd]

Even if they dont take him, they are gonna drum up talk like they are taking him to get the most value for that first pick.

This is totally irrational. There is no way that the Texans will keep the #1 pick and NOT take Bush, it would be a waste when they could trade down.So... if Bush is definitely going at the #1 spot (he is), why does a team care whether it's Houston taking him or someone who traded there? They don't, either way they know that they need to trade for the #1 spot if they want to have Bush.

If you are Houston you get a better price by givng the illusion that you are not desparate to move. Houses in my neighborhood where the owners are happy, but are willing to take a profit, sell for more than the guy whose company has transferred him and needs to move.

 

[crazyhorse]

I'd think the Texans would be better served by dropping down a few spots and picking up some extra picks.That said, you could do alot worse than drafting Reggie Bush.

 

[stbugs]

Perhaps it's because he's the best prospect to come out at least since the texans have been around and probably longer.  you won't be asking this question after he lights up the horns

If he's such a great prospect, then wouldn't the 49ers or Jets give up multiple draft picks to get him?It's the quantity vs. quality thing. The Texans need a lot. They don't need a running back. Looks like a perfect situation to trade down.

Who says they won't? But the art in trading down is convincing the world [and yourselves] that you are willing to stay at the spot and take the "best player available." Lots of reports had Saban trading down out of the 2nd spot but it didn't happen, he stuck to his guns and took Ronnie Brown b/c that was the top guy on their board.

Fans act like it's so easy to trade down from the top spot and get value. It's most certainly not. Luckily for the teams picking 1st and 2nd this year, there is a perception of Bush + Leinart being elite, thus creating a top-heavy draft for the first time in several years. That lends itself to being able to move the pick more readily for "value."

Fans do talk like it is easy because we obviously can just discuss it, but why do we talk like it never happens. Last year, of course it made sense for SF to trade down because no one really liked Alex Smith. I liken it to when the Wizards (from DC area) had to take Kwame Brown with the #1 pick. Sometimes you luck out with Shaquille or Lebron or Duncan and sometimes you get screwed with Kwame.The number one pick has been traded 2 times in the last 5 years (Vick and Manning). The other three times, the top pick has been Alex Smith, David Carr and Carson Palmer. Palmer was probably the other tradeable player, but to be honest, until this year I don't know if everyone was as high on him as they are now. Carr and Smith would have been very tough to trade and both teams had holes at QB, so they pretty much had no choice.

Like you said, if Bush is the next coming, which he sure seems to be hyped as, then the Texans or New Orleans will have no problem trading him for a nice bounty Vick and Manning both garnered high (#4/#5) picks in the current draft as well as future #1 picks.

It will be more of a problem than meets the eye. Look at the posts for the teams near the top of the draft, they all want to trade down for the same reason you are saying trade down for the Texans. All of these 3 and 4 win teams have multiple issues to resolve, so they have to be convinced to give up draft picks which can help resolve their multiple issues. As for Bush, remember the same question being talked about on this board will be the same ones which scouts and general managers will also be asking. Think that prior two the twice in five years the top pick had not been traded in like 8-10. If I remember correctly, there is an average of only one trade down out of the top five over the last 10-12 years. Trading down (@ the top of the draft) is not uncommon, but not as common as we fans like to discuss it.

I am not sure at all what you mean by this. Do you mean that there is one trade out of the top five every 10-12 years, or that there is an average of one trade a year out of the top 5. If the latter is the case, then that sounds pretty common to me.I don't know if these are all top 5, but recently I can remember Eli Manning, Kellen Winslow, Michael Vick, Troy Williamson, Dewayne Robertson, Johnathan Sullivan, and Andre Carter. All of these were top 10 picks and half were top 5 picks. That was at least one a year since this only goes back to 2001. Before then all I can remember that was top five was Ricky Williams and John Elway of course.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I'd think the Texans would be better served by dropping down a few spots and picking up some extra picks.

That said, you could do alot worse than drafting Reggie Bush.

They need to find a dance partner. Things will get tricky if the Texans are at 1 and the Saints are at 2. THe Saints would obviously sit tight, knowing the odds that Houston would take Leinart are slim, and the odds that anyone would pay up for the first pick and take Leinart over Bush are pretty slim. THey could sit still and get the guy they want while also essentially lowering the price of the 1.01. Houston would then need to find a trade partner.If it were me, and I was GM of the Texans and the Jets were at 1.03, I'd offer the 1.01 for John Abraham, the 1.03, the NYJ 2007 1st rounder, and their 2006 3rd rounder. That way, the Texans get a defensive player (who is not happy with his contract) that can play DE or LB depending on the alignment, Ferguson with the 1.03, an additional high pick this year, and a second 1st rounder next year. I would think the Jets might consider that.

Colin

 

[Keith R]

Approaching this from a different angle, what could Houston expect to get by trading DD?

 

[Colin Dowling]

Approaching this from a different angle, what could Houston expect to get by trading DD?

Not much. He's got a relatively big contract and the "trade" would have to happen in a market with 5 talented top-50 prospects, free agents in Alexander, Jamal and James, acquirable RBs in Henry and Williams, and other attractive options like Najeh Davenport (IIRC) and possibly Priest Holmes. About the only other RB I see as being "less tradable" is Deuce McAllister.Colin

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Approaching this from a different angle, what could Houston expect to get by trading DD?

seeing the other team would have to take on his salary he could possibly bring in a 3rd/4th round pick, but no team is going to give more than that considering the other options this offseason and the modest but still hefty contract of a RB who has been consistantly banged up his entire career in the NFL.

 

[coolnerd]

Perhaps it's because he's the best prospect to come out at least since the texans have been around and probably longer.  you won't be asking this question after he lights up the horns

If he's such a great prospect, then wouldn't the 49ers or Jets give up multiple draft picks to get him?It's the quantity vs. quality thing. The Texans need a lot. They don't need a running back. Looks like a perfect situation to trade down.

Who says they won't? But the art in trading down is convincing the world [and yourselves] that you are willing to stay at the spot and take the "best player available." Lots of reports had Saban trading down out of the 2nd spot but it didn't happen, he stuck to his guns and took Ronnie Brown b/c that was the top guy on their board.

Fans act like it's so easy to trade down from the top spot and get value. It's most certainly not. Luckily for the teams picking 1st and 2nd this year, there is a perception of Bush + Leinart being elite, thus creating a top-heavy draft for the first time in several years. That lends itself to being able to move the pick more readily for "value."

Fans do talk like it is easy because we obviously can just discuss it, but why do we talk like it never happens. Last year, of course it made sense for SF to trade down because no one really liked Alex Smith. I liken it to when the Wizards (from DC area) had to take Kwame Brown with the #1 pick. Sometimes you luck out with Shaquille or Lebron or Duncan and sometimes you get screwed with Kwame.The number one pick has been traded 2 times in the last 5 years (Vick and Manning). The other three times, the top pick has been Alex Smith, David Carr and Carson Palmer. Palmer was probably the other tradeable player, but to be honest, until this year I don't know if everyone was as high on him as they are now. Carr and Smith would have been very tough to trade and both teams had holes at QB, so they pretty much had no choice.

Like you said, if Bush is the next coming, which he sure seems to be hyped as, then the Texans or New Orleans will have no problem trading him for a nice bounty Vick and Manning both garnered high (#4/#5) picks in the current draft as well as future #1 picks.

It will be more of a problem than meets the eye. Look at the posts for the teams near the top of the draft, they all want to trade down for the same reason you are saying trade down for the Texans. All of these 3 and 4 win teams have multiple issues to resolve, so they have to be convinced to give up draft picks which can help resolve their multiple issues. As for Bush, remember the same question being talked about on this board will be the same ones which scouts and general managers will also be asking. Think that prior two the twice in five years the top pick had not been traded in like 8-10. If I remember correctly, there is an average of only one trade down out of the top five over the last 10-12 years. Trading down (@ the top of the draft) is not uncommon, but not as common as we fans like to discuss it.

I am not sure at all what you mean by this. Do you mean that there is one trade out of the top five every 10-12 years, or that there is an average of one trade a year out of the top 5. If the latter is the case, then that sounds pretty common to me.I don't know if these are all top 5, but recently I can remember Eli Manning, Kellen Winslow, Michael Vick, Troy Williamson, Dewayne Robertson, Johnathan Sullivan, and Andre Carter. All of these were top 10 picks and half were top 5 picks. That was at least one a year since this only goes back to 2001. Before then all I can remember that was top five was Ricky Williams and John Elway of course.

Every year despite how much we fans talk about trading down, there is an average of one team that trades out of a top five draft spot, to a low spot lower to collect more draft choices. If form holds true, despite all five teams holding a top 5 spot(or at least the fans of) wanting to trade down only one of them will get the job done.

I will look up the exact numbers from trading out of the number 1 spot over the last 15 or so years.

 

[stbugs]

Perhaps it's because he's the best prospect to come out at least since the texans have been around and probably longer.  you won't be asking this question after he lights up the horns

If he's such a great prospect, then wouldn't the 49ers or Jets give up multiple draft picks to get him?It's the quantity vs. quality thing. The Texans need a lot. They don't need a running back. Looks like a perfect situation to trade down.

Who says they won't? But the art in trading down is convincing the world [and yourselves] that you are willing to stay at the spot and take the "best player available." Lots of reports had Saban trading down out of the 2nd spot but it didn't happen, he stuck to his guns and took Ronnie Brown b/c that was the top guy on their board.

Fans act like it's so easy to trade down from the top spot and get value. It's most certainly not. Luckily for the teams picking 1st and 2nd this year, there is a perception of Bush + Leinart being elite, thus creating a top-heavy draft for the first time in several years. That lends itself to being able to move the pick more readily for "value."

Fans do talk like it is easy because we obviously can just discuss it, but why do we talk like it never happens. Last year, of course it made sense for SF to trade down because no one really liked Alex Smith. I liken it to when the Wizards (from DC area) had to take Kwame Brown with the #1 pick. Sometimes you luck out with Shaquille or Lebron or Duncan and sometimes you get screwed with Kwame.The number one pick has been traded 2 times in the last 5 years (Vick and Manning). The other three times, the top pick has been Alex Smith, David Carr and Carson Palmer. Palmer was probably the other tradeable player, but to be honest, until this year I don't know if everyone was as high on him as they are now. Carr and Smith would have been very tough to trade and both teams had holes at QB, so they pretty much had no choice.

Like you said, if Bush is the next coming, which he sure seems to be hyped as, then the Texans or New Orleans will have no problem trading him for a nice bounty Vick and Manning both garnered high (#4/#5) picks in the current draft as well as future #1 picks.

It will be more of a problem than meets the eye. Look at the posts for the teams near the top of the draft, they all want to trade down for the same reason you are saying trade down for the Texans. All of these 3 and 4 win teams have multiple issues to resolve, so they have to be convinced to give up draft picks which can help resolve their multiple issues. As for Bush, remember the same question being talked about on this board will be the same ones which scouts and general managers will also be asking. Think that prior two the twice in five years the top pick had not been traded in like 8-10. If I remember correctly, there is an average of only one trade down out of the top five over the last 10-12 years. Trading down (@ the top of the draft) is not uncommon, but not as common as we fans like to discuss it.

I am not sure at all what you mean by this. Do you mean that there is one trade out of the top five every 10-12 years, or that there is an average of one trade a year out of the top 5. If the latter is the case, then that sounds pretty common to me.I don't know if these are all top 5, but recently I can remember Eli Manning, Kellen Winslow, Michael Vick, Troy Williamson, Dewayne Robertson, Johnathan Sullivan, and Andre Carter. All of these were top 10 picks and half were top 5 picks. That was at least one a year since this only goes back to 2001. Before then all I can remember that was top five was Ricky Williams and John Elway of course.

Every year despite how much we fans talk about trading down, there is an average of one team that trades out of a top five draft spot, to a low spot lower to collect more draft choices. If form holds true, despite all five teams holding a top 5 spot(or at least the fans of) wanting to trade down only one of them will get the job done.

I will look up the exact numbers from trading out of the number 1 spot over the last 15 or so years.

I gotcha. I guess I see one 1 out of 5 every year as being common. With all of the talk that no one ever trades out of the top spot, it is a 20% ratio in the last 5 years. When you look at the 3 out of 5 that weren't traded, 2 of them (Carr and A. Smith), may have had no demand. I just think Houston is in a good spot this year and probably will be able to trade down easily if they want.It is not like the 49ers with Alex Smith who up until a couple days before the draft wasn't even a lock as the #1. We haven't even gotten to the playoffs yet and people are already discussing (a lot) who is going to win the Reggie Bush sweepstakes. It reminds me of the NBA lotteries for LeBron, Tim Duncan and Shaq where the discussions before the lottery selection were about who will win the lottery and be able to draft those guys. Obviously with only 5 guys on a team, NBA teams would never trade down because it has been proven over and over again that one superstar does completely turn around NBA teams.

 

[coolnerd]

Perhaps it's because he's the best prospect to come out at least since the texans have been around and probably longer.  you won't be asking this question after he lights up the horns

If he's such a great prospect, then wouldn't the 49ers or Jets give up multiple draft picks to get him?It's the quantity vs. quality thing. The Texans need a lot. They don't need a running back. Looks like a perfect situation to trade down.

Who says they won't? But the art in trading down is convincing the world [and yourselves] that you are willing to stay at the spot and take the "best player available." Lots of reports had Saban trading down out of the 2nd spot but it didn't happen, he stuck to his guns and took Ronnie Brown b/c that was the top guy on their board.

Fans act like it's so easy to trade down from the top spot and get value. It's most certainly not. Luckily for the teams picking 1st and 2nd this year, there is a perception of Bush + Leinart being elite, thus creating a top-heavy draft for the first time in several years. That lends itself to being able to move the pick more readily for "value."

Fans do talk like it is easy because we obviously can just discuss it, but why do we talk like it never happens. Last year, of course it made sense for SF to trade down because no one really liked Alex Smith. I liken it to when the Wizards (from DC area) had to take Kwame Brown with the #1 pick. Sometimes you luck out with Shaquille or Lebron or Duncan and sometimes you get screwed with Kwame.The number one pick has been traded 2 times in the last 5 years (Vick and Manning). The other three times, the top pick has been Alex Smith, David Carr and Carson Palmer. Palmer was probably the other tradeable player, but to be honest, until this year I don't know if everyone was as high on him as they are now. Carr and Smith would have been very tough to trade and both teams had holes at QB, so they pretty much had no choice.

Like you said, if Bush is the next coming, which he sure seems to be hyped as, then the Texans or New Orleans will have no problem trading him for a nice bounty Vick and Manning both garnered high (#4/#5) picks in the current draft as well as future #1 picks.

It will be more of a problem than meets the eye. Look at the posts for the teams near the top of the draft, they all want to trade down for the same reason you are saying trade down for the Texans. All of these 3 and 4 win teams have multiple issues to resolve, so they have to be convinced to give up draft picks which can help resolve their multiple issues. As for Bush, remember the same question being talked about on this board will be the same ones which scouts and general managers will also be asking. Think that prior two the twice in five years the top pick had not been traded in like 8-10. If I remember correctly, there is an average of only one trade down out of the top five over the last 10-12 years. Trading down (@ the top of the draft) is not uncommon, but not as common as we fans like to discuss it.

I am not sure at all what you mean by this. Do you mean that there is one trade out of the top five every 10-12 years, or that there is an average of one trade a year out of the top 5. If the latter is the case, then that sounds pretty common to me.I don't know if these are all top 5, but recently I can remember Eli Manning, Kellen Winslow, Michael Vick, Troy Williamson, Dewayne Robertson, Johnathan Sullivan, and Andre Carter. All of these were top 10 picks and half were top 5 picks. That was at least one a year since this only goes back to 2001. Before then all I can remember that was top five was Ricky Williams and John Elway of course.

Every year despite how much we fans talk about trading down, there is an average of one team that trades out of a top five draft spot, to a low spot lower to collect more draft choices. If form holds true, despite all five teams holding a top 5 spot(or at least the fans of) wanting to trade down only one of them will get the job done.

I will look up the exact numbers from trading out of the number 1 spot over the last 15 or so years.

I gotcha. I guess I see one 1 out of 5 every year as being common. With all of the talk that no one ever trades out of the top spot, it is a 20% ratio in the last 5 years. When you look at the 3 out of 5 that weren't traded, 2 of them (Carr and A. Smith), may have had no demand. I just think Houston is in a good spot this year and probably will be able to trade down easily if they want.It is not like the 49ers with Alex Smith who up until a couple days before the draft wasn't even a lock as the #1. We haven't even gotten to the playoffs yet and people are already discussing (a lot) who is going to win the Reggie Bush sweepstakes. It reminds me of the NBA lotteries for LeBron, Tim Duncan and Shaq where the discussions before the lottery selection were about who will win the lottery and be able to draft those guys. Obviously with only 5 guys on a team, NBA teams would never trade down because it has been proven over and over again that one superstar does completely turn around NBA teams.

Looks like we have more a difference in perception than understanding the facts and that's not really a big deal. Agree with the thought that if there is a year to trade out of the number 1 or even another spot in the top 5, Bush and too a large extent Leinart may make it more possible. Just think it is going to take some work for the organizations in question to get the job of trading and getting a quality package in return done.

 

[stbugs]

Perhaps it's because he's the best prospect to come out at least since the texans have been around and probably longer.  you won't be asking this question after he lights up the horns

If he's such a great prospect, then wouldn't the 49ers or Jets give up multiple draft picks to get him?It's the quantity vs. quality thing. The Texans need a lot. They don't need a running back. Looks like a perfect situation to trade down.

Who says they won't? But the art in trading down is convincing the world [and yourselves] that you are willing to stay at the spot and take the "best player available." Lots of reports had Saban trading down out of the 2nd spot but it didn't happen, he stuck to his guns and took Ronnie Brown b/c that was the top guy on their board.

Fans act like it's so easy to trade down from the top spot and get value. It's most certainly not. Luckily for the teams picking 1st and 2nd this year, there is a perception of Bush + Leinart being elite, thus creating a top-heavy draft for the first time in several years. That lends itself to being able to move the pick more readily for "value."

Fans do talk like it is easy because we obviously can just discuss it, but why do we talk like it never happens. Last year, of course it made sense for SF to trade down because no one really liked Alex Smith. I liken it to when the Wizards (from DC area) had to take Kwame Brown with the #1 pick. Sometimes you luck out with Shaquille or Lebron or Duncan and sometimes you get screwed with Kwame.The number one pick has been traded 2 times in the last 5 years (Vick and Manning). The other three times, the top pick has been Alex Smith, David Carr and Carson Palmer. Palmer was probably the other tradeable player, but to be honest, until this year I don't know if everyone was as high on him as they are now. Carr and Smith would have been very tough to trade and both teams had holes at QB, so they pretty much had no choice.

Like you said, if Bush is the next coming, which he sure seems to be hyped as, then the Texans or New Orleans will have no problem trading him for a nice bounty Vick and Manning both garnered high (#4/#5) picks in the current draft as well as future #1 picks.

It will be more of a problem than meets the eye. Look at the posts for the teams near the top of the draft, they all want to trade down for the same reason you are saying trade down for the Texans. All of these 3 and 4 win teams have multiple issues to resolve, so they have to be convinced to give up draft picks which can help resolve their multiple issues. As for Bush, remember the same question being talked about on this board will be the same ones which scouts and general managers will also be asking. Think that prior two the twice in five years the top pick had not been traded in like 8-10. If I remember correctly, there is an average of only one trade down out of the top five over the last 10-12 years. Trading down (@ the top of the draft) is not uncommon, but not as common as we fans like to discuss it.

I am not sure at all what you mean by this. Do you mean that there is one trade out of the top five every 10-12 years, or that there is an average of one trade a year out of the top 5. If the latter is the case, then that sounds pretty common to me.I don't know if these are all top 5, but recently I can remember Eli Manning, Kellen Winslow, Michael Vick, Troy Williamson, Dewayne Robertson, Johnathan Sullivan, and Andre Carter. All of these were top 10 picks and half were top 5 picks. That was at least one a year since this only goes back to 2001. Before then all I can remember that was top five was Ricky Williams and John Elway of course.

Every year despite how much we fans talk about trading down, there is an average of one team that trades out of a top five draft spot, to a low spot lower to collect more draft choices. If form holds true, despite all five teams holding a top 5 spot(or at least the fans of) wanting to trade down only one of them will get the job done.

I will look up the exact numbers from trading out of the number 1 spot over the last 15 or so years.

I gotcha. I guess I see one 1 out of 5 every year as being common. With all of the talk that no one ever trades out of the top spot, it is a 20% ratio in the last 5 years. When you look at the 3 out of 5 that weren't traded, 2 of them (Carr and A. Smith), may have had no demand. I just think Houston is in a good spot this year and probably will be able to trade down easily if they want.It is not like the 49ers with Alex Smith who up until a couple days before the draft wasn't even a lock as the #1. We haven't even gotten to the playoffs yet and people are already discussing (a lot) who is going to win the Reggie Bush sweepstakes. It reminds me of the NBA lotteries for LeBron, Tim Duncan and Shaq where the discussions before the lottery selection were about who will win the lottery and be able to draft those guys. Obviously with only 5 guys on a team, NBA teams would never trade down because it has been proven over and over again that one superstar does completely turn around NBA teams.

Looks like we have more a difference in perception than understanding the facts and that's not really a big deal. Agree with the thought that if there is a year to trade out of the number 1 or even another spot in the top 5, Bush and too a large extent Leinart may make it more possible. Just think it is going to take some work for the organizations in question to get the job of trading and getting a quality package in return done.

It will definitely take some doing, but this year it is at least 100% obvious who the #1 will be so there is a ton of time to get deals done.Now that said, Houston/whoever may still think Bush is the second coming and won't take any offers and won't even listen. So Bush may still be the most tradable #1 in a while, but the team selecting him may not even care.

 

[coolnerd]

Perhaps it's because he's the best prospect to come out at least since the texans have been around and probably longer.  you won't be asking this question after he lights up the horns

If he's such a great prospect, then wouldn't the 49ers or Jets give up multiple draft picks to get him?It's the quantity vs. quality thing. The Texans need a lot. They don't need a running back. Looks like a perfect situation to trade down.

Who says they won't? But the art in trading down is convincing the world [and yourselves] that you are willing to stay at the spot and take the "best player available." Lots of reports had Saban trading down out of the 2nd spot but it didn't happen, he stuck to his guns and took Ronnie Brown b/c that was the top guy on their board.

Fans act like it's so easy to trade down from the top spot and get value. It's most certainly not. Luckily for the teams picking 1st and 2nd this year, there is a perception of Bush + Leinart being elite, thus creating a top-heavy draft for the first time in several years. That lends itself to being able to move the pick more readily for "value."

Fans do talk like it is easy because we obviously can just discuss it, but why do we talk like it never happens. Last year, of course it made sense for SF to trade down because no one really liked Alex Smith. I liken it to when the Wizards (from DC area) had to take Kwame Brown with the #1 pick. Sometimes you luck out with Shaquille or Lebron or Duncan and sometimes you get screwed with Kwame.The number one pick has been traded 2 times in the last 5 years (Vick and Manning). The other three times, the top pick has been Alex Smith, David Carr and Carson Palmer. Palmer was probably the other tradeable player, but to be honest, until this year I don't know if everyone was as high on him as they are now. Carr and Smith would have been very tough to trade and both teams had holes at QB, so they pretty much had no choice.

Like you said, if Bush is the next coming, which he sure seems to be hyped as, then the Texans or New Orleans will have no problem trading him for a nice bounty Vick and Manning both garnered high (#4/#5) picks in the current draft as well as future #1 picks.

It will be more of a problem than meets the eye. Look at the posts for the teams near the top of the draft, they all want to trade down for the same reason you are saying trade down for the Texans. All of these 3 and 4 win teams have multiple issues to resolve, so they have to be convinced to give up draft picks which can help resolve their multiple issues. As for Bush, remember the same question being talked about on this board will be the same ones which scouts and general managers will also be asking. Think that prior two the twice in five years the top pick had not been traded in like 8-10. If I remember correctly, there is an average of only one trade down out of the top five over the last 10-12 years. Trading down (@ the top of the draft) is not uncommon, but not as common as we fans like to discuss it.

I am not sure at all what you mean by this. Do you mean that there is one trade out of the top five every 10-12 years, or that there is an average of one trade a year out of the top 5. If the latter is the case, then that sounds pretty common to me.I don't know if these are all top 5, but recently I can remember Eli Manning, Kellen Winslow, Michael Vick, Troy Williamson, Dewayne Robertson, Johnathan Sullivan, and Andre Carter. All of these were top 10 picks and half were top 5 picks. That was at least one a year since this only goes back to 2001. Before then all I can remember that was top five was Ricky Williams and John Elway of course.

Every year despite how much we fans talk about trading down, there is an average of one team that trades out of a top five draft spot, to a low spot lower to collect more draft choices. If form holds true, despite all five teams holding a top 5 spot(or at least the fans of) wanting to trade down only one of them will get the job done.

I will look up the exact numbers from trading out of the number 1 spot over the last 15 or so years.

I gotcha. I guess I see one 1 out of 5 every year as being common. With all of the talk that no one ever trades out of the top spot, it is a 20% ratio in the last 5 years. When you look at the 3 out of 5 that weren't traded, 2 of them (Carr and A. Smith), may have had no demand. I just think Houston is in a good spot this year and probably will be able to trade down easily if they want.It is not like the 49ers with Alex Smith who up until a couple days before the draft wasn't even a lock as the #1. We haven't even gotten to the playoffs yet and people are already discussing (a lot) who is going to win the Reggie Bush sweepstakes. It reminds me of the NBA lotteries for LeBron, Tim Duncan and Shaq where the discussions before the lottery selection were about who will win the lottery and be able to draft those guys. Obviously with only 5 guys on a team, NBA teams would never trade down because it has been proven over and over again that one superstar does completely turn around NBA teams.

Looks like we have more a difference in perception than understanding the facts and that's not really a big deal. Agree with the thought that if there is a year to trade out of the number 1 or even another spot in the top 5, Bush and too a large extent Leinart may make it more possible. Just think it is going to take some work for the organizations in question to get the job of trading and getting a quality package in return done.

It will definitely take some doing, but this year it is at least 100% obvious who the #1 will be so there is a ton of time to get deals done.Now that said, Houston/whoever may still think Bush is the second coming and won't take any offers and won't even listen. So Bush may still be the most tradable #1 in a while, but the team selecting him may not even care.

As a Texans fan, that would be the worst possible news that i could hear. In my mind that would signal that the organization is mostly about selling tickets and not about winning.

 

[Chaka]

It all depends on how Bob McNair decides to run his team. If he wants to win football games he should try his darndest to trade down, stockpile picks and address the multiple areas of concern on the team. However if he runs the Texans like a businessman who cares mostly about the bottom line he will draft Bush because a guy this hyped will put butts in the seats and Texans jerseys on the backs of fans everywhere.