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Wildcat "QB": Tackle for a loss or sack? (1 Viewer)

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Alright here's a question.....I have Andre Carter and Michael Vick took a direct snap (in the Wildcat) and Carter tackled him behind the line of scrimmage. Seems like this should be a sack yet NFL.com calls it a tackle for a loss. Thoughts on the Wildcat "QB" getting tackled behind the L.O.S....Is that a sack or tackle for a loss?

 
Alright here's a question.....I have Andre Carter and Michael Vick took a direct snap (in the Wildcat) and Carter tackled him behind the line of scrimmage. Seems like this should be a sack yet NFL.com calls it a tackle for a loss. Thoughts on the Wildcat "QB" getting tackled behind the L.O.S....Is that a sack or tackle for a loss?
just because a QB gets tackled behind the line doesn't mean it's a sack. If it's a run play, which it was, it's just a tackle. Sorry it's not the news you wanted, but it is what it is.
 
Alright here's a question.....I have Andre Carter and Michael Vick took a direct snap (in the Wildcat) and Carter tackled him behind the line of scrimmage. Seems like this should be a sack yet NFL.com calls it a tackle for a loss. Thoughts on the Wildcat "QB" getting tackled behind the L.O.S....Is that a sack or tackle for a loss?
just because a QB gets tackled behind the line doesn't mean it's a sack. If it's a run play, which it was, it's just a tackle. Sorry it's not the news you wanted, but it is what it is.
interesting never knew that, thanks
 
Alright here's a question.....I have Andre Carter and Michael Vick took a direct snap (in the Wildcat) and Carter tackled him behind the line of scrimmage. Seems like this should be a sack yet NFL.com calls it a tackle for a loss. Thoughts on the Wildcat "QB" getting tackled behind the L.O.S....Is that a sack or tackle for a loss?
just because a QB gets tackled behind the line doesn't mean it's a sack. If it's a run play, which it was, it's just a tackle. Sorry it's not the news you wanted, but it is what it is.
Well, that sounds like you have to divine the intent. Can't any QB just say, "Oh, that was a designed run," and voila - no sack? Seems like a slippery slope to me...
 
Alright here's a question.....I have Andre Carter and Michael Vick took a direct snap (in the Wildcat) and Carter tackled him behind the line of scrimmage. Seems like this should be a sack yet NFL.com calls it a tackle for a loss. Thoughts on the Wildcat "QB" getting tackled behind the L.O.S....Is that a sack or tackle for a loss?
just because a QB gets tackled behind the line doesn't mean it's a sack. If it's a run play, which it was, it's just a tackle. Sorry it's not the news you wanted, but it is what it is.
Well, that sounds like you have to divine the intent. Can't any QB just say, "Oh, that was a designed run," and voila - no sack? Seems like a slippery slope to me...
Good thing that sacks vs. tackle-for-loss aren't a part of the NFL scoreboard, eh?
 
if it is a QB behind the line of scrimmage then it is a sack, if it is a RB or whatever it is a loss. that is my opinion. you put in a QB to throw a ball you give the ball to the RB to run the ball. is ronnie throwing the ball or running it when he is in the wildcat? who knows. running backs run, QBs throw, count the tackles behind the line accordingly.

think about it this way. if big ben breaks the pocket and tries to run for it and gets tackled is it a tackle or a sack?

vick got caught behind the line during the wildcat which could turn into anything honestly. he is a QB and he got caught behind the line, it is a sack.

 
spider321 said:
If the "qb" intends to pass, it is a sack.If the "qb" intends to run, it is a tackle for loss.
He doesn't even need to intend to run (kneel down/botched hand off), as long as he doesn't intend to pass.
 
whitewizard said:
if it is a QB behind the line of scrimmage then it is a sack, if it is a RB or whatever it is a loss. that is my opinion. you put in a QB to throw a ball you give the ball to the RB to run the ball. is ronnie throwing the ball or running it when he is in the wildcat? who knows. running backs run, QBs throw, count the tackles behind the line accordingly.

think about it this way. if big ben breaks the pocket and tries to run for it and gets tackled is it a tackle or a sack?

vick got caught behind the line during the wildcat which could turn into anything honestly. he is a QB and he got caught behind the line, it is a sack.
Tackle.You've never seen a boxscore with a QB with one rushing attempt for -x yards? Happens all the time.

 
If the "qb" intends to pass, it is a sack.If the "qb" intends to run, it is a tackle for loss.
But that's what I'm saying: how do we know what his intention is? Do we ask him after every play? I can OBSERVE the result. Ican only INFER the intent?
 
if it is a QB behind the line of scrimmage then it is a sack, if it is a RB or whatever it is a loss. that is my opinion. you put in a QB to throw a ball you give the ball to the RB to run the ball. is ronnie throwing the ball or running it when he is in the wildcat? who knows. running backs run, QBs throw, count the tackles behind the line accordingly.

think about it this way. if big ben breaks the pocket and tries to run for it and gets tackled is it a tackle or a sack?

vick got caught behind the line during the wildcat which could turn into anything honestly. he is a QB and he got caught behind the line, it is a sack.
Tackle.You've never seen a boxscore with a QB with one rushing attempt for -x yards? Happens all the time.
If a QB pulls the ball down on a designed pass play and tries to run for a gain but is stopped short of the line of scrimmage, it's still a sack.
 
If the "qb" intends to pass, it is a sack.If the "qb" intends to run, it is a tackle for loss.
But that's what I'm saying: how do we know what his intention is? Do we ask him after every play? I can OBSERVE the result. Ican only INFER the intent?
Not much different that a score keeper's judgement call on some hits or errors in baseball.Not everything in sports is "cut and dry".Some calls and stat recordings are not perfect. This is one of them.
 
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If the "qb" intends to pass, it is a sack.If the "qb" intends to run, it is a tackle for loss.
But that's what I'm saying: how do we know what his intention is? Do we ask him after every play? I can OBSERVE the result. Ican only INFER the intent?
true, it is up to the official scorer's judgement as to whether it was a designed passing play or not.the wildcat does create an interesting situation because i believe the "wildcat qb" often has the option to run or pass on many plays. but since they rarely throw passes out of the wildcat, i would only award a sack if i believed they were definitely trying to/wanting to throw a pass on a particular play.
 

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