SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Well as long as you're being completely objective and avoiding generalization, I guess we're good. Enjoy your weekend.
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Wilfork fined a whopping $12,500 (2 Viewers)
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The Jerk
Footballguy
You can do whatever you want to my posts. It's a message board. I have no control over it.
Note that I did not say all Patriot fans, although honestly my feeling is that "most" or at least "many" would be my choice rather than "some" in your edit (or at least, those would be the words I would use to describe those most actively posting in the topics to which I have alluded).SrVBD, you are certainly not included in that group.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
I'd like to say this is my last post on the topic, but like many Patriots fans I'm quite easily engaged by trolls. Whiney tool? Perhaps.
I would say what Wilfork did was reprehensible, and he is deserving of a much more severe penalty.
Having said that, I would not characterize his actions as anything near unique from what I understand of the NFL.
Making excuses? Nope. Reality? Yep.
Did you see Heinz Ward clean that guy's clock?
[Haters will now interject a "Yeah, but he wasn't going for the knee!" in 3....2.....1....]
Peace out.
I would say what Wilfork did was reprehensible, and he is deserving of a much more severe penalty.
Having said that, I would not characterize his actions as anything near unique from what I understand of the NFL.
Making excuses? Nope. Reality? Yep.
Did you see Heinz Ward clean that guy's clock?
[Haters will now interject a "Yeah, but he wasn't going for the knee!" in 3....2.....1....]
Peace out.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
I appreciate that, but truth be told I'm just as guilty as others sometimes. My biggest weakness is a chronic inability to NOT respond. Thanks again.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Yes. If I were dictator, it would be $25,000 - 50,000. I arrived at that based on 5-10 times as bad as what I saw Heinz Ward do the prior week.I'd like to think Wilfork is a better person than Jack Tatum was, but I have my doubts.
treat88
Footballguy
Has nothing to do with Wilfork's character. I'm sure he's a class guy.Has nothing to do with Heinz Ward either.Good people make bad decisions daily.Pats fans need to admit it when their guy is in the wrong and not defend their organization with poorly thought out arguments.SrVBD, you are as close as I've seen a Pats fan be able to come to doing this.
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Que the NE bashers......
The guy is not a dirty player. In fact, he probably was close to being benched by the coach. Everyone knows that the Pats had a much better chance of winning with Loseman IN the game.
Give it a rest, and accept the fact that your team will be playing for the consolation prize this year.
The guy is not a dirty player. In fact, he probably was close to being benched by the coach. Everyone knows that the Pats had a much better chance of winning with Loseman IN the game.
Give it a rest, and accept the fact that your team will be playing for the consolation prize this year.
CalBear
Footballguy
And you need to let it go and get a life.
treat88
Footballguy
Who are you?I almost never post here, so how do I need to let it go? Just having a discussion.You know what you can do my friend. So get busy doing it.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
What happens with fine money now?
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Nobody accused him of being smart, just dirty.tombonneau said:
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
When karma visits the Patroits I will sense the balance. Those who have defined out of kilter as balanced will be confused, disoriented, and angry.
Linton Trust
Footballguy
yeah, i hadn't seen this...
there's little doubt in my mind after seeing this - that this guy is a lier and that this was intenetional..
he can blame it on falling, but it doesn't look like he was going to fall that bad, but suddenly the only thing that can save you is to leap at the QBs knee with your elbow? the linemans arms aren't even around his ankles, they fall off BEFORE he falls...
no one should question if he meant to hit the QB... did he mean to hurt him seriously? probably not...
the fine was change though... not worth issuing...
there's little doubt in my mind after seeing this - that this guy is a lier and that this was intenetional..
he can blame it on falling, but it doesn't look like he was going to fall that bad, but suddenly the only thing that can save you is to leap at the QBs knee with your elbow? the linemans arms aren't even around his ankles, they fall off BEFORE he falls...
no one should question if he meant to hit the QB... did he mean to hurt him seriously? probably not...
the fine was change though... not worth issuing...
I prefer to save my outrage for guys like Albert Haynesworth for what he did last year.
jonessed
Footballguy
This is so last week.You need to update your excuse database.
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jonessed
Footballguy
Que?Que the NE bashers......The guy is not a dirty player. In fact, he probably was close to being benched by the coach. Everyone knows that the Pats had a much better chance of winning with Loseman IN the game.Give it a rest, and accept the fact that your team will be playing for the consolation prize this year.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
I love to bash the Pats and jump at any chance I get. I just don't see this as a big deal. Wilfork was going down near the QB and stuck his arm out to make contact and hopefully knock him over. The game isn't played in super slow-motion. He had factions of a second to decide what to do and as is the instinct of a defensive linemen, he tried to knock over the QB. It doesn't look planned or dirty. Well, actually it does if you play it slow enough, but at game speed in the heat of the moment if just looks like a guy falling to the ground and trying to tackle the QB.
Way to focus on the issue...This thread doesn't deserve a post without typos.Que?Que the NE bashers......The guy is not a dirty player. In fact, he probably was close to being benched by the coach. Everyone knows that the Pats had a much better chance of winning with Loseman IN the game.Give it a rest, and accept the fact that your team will be playing for the consolation prize this year.
II don't doubt he stuck out his elbow. What I doubt is the intent to hit in the knee, or so early in the game, make some contact, so Losman knows he wsa close, as happened, and will continue to happen, in ever NFL game; check that-every football game, in the past, present and future.
fatness
Footballguy
This seems like a good time to post the video link again, so people can see for themselves what happened instead of relying on the word of others. Watch Wilfork's elbow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3POT8n2Qk3g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3POT8n2Qk3g
fatness
Footballguy
By the way, for those who want to save NFL clips from YouTube and elsewhere (since those clips seem to disappear pretty rapidly), there are a couple ways to do it.
KeepVid is a site that will extract and save the videos for you. And the Firefox Video Downloader extension will often work also.
KeepVid is a site that will extract and save the videos for you. And the Firefox Video Downloader extension will often work also.
Futeki
Footballguy
Precisely. If he were to fall like that, with nobody around, extending his elbow at such an absurd angle away from his body would increase his own chance of getting hurt (shoulder/elbow).
This is how I feel too. It was poor form, careless, and reckless, and he deserved to get fined. But there's a big difference between a split-second decision and something clearly premeditated or thought through, and these are what deserve the big fines.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
And who are you? Ultimately, there is no "you", so whether or not "you will sense the the balance" is quite irrelevant.Karma is not action-seed-result as the eastern theistic buddhists falsely preach, rather it is the entrenchment of habituated patterns in the ego which are destined to re-emerge over and over again until they are acknowledged and dropped. For example, it is not the case that you want to post in topics like this, rather you are forced to by entrenched habituated patterns. As am "I".Those who have defined the commonplace as the singularly evil will be confused, disoriented, and angry.
redman
Footballguy
It doesn't require a conspiracy, cupcake, it only requires favoritism.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Do you think there is room in a 7 billion dollar industry for favoritism? Do you think that guys like John Ersay, Wayne Weaver, etc. are going to allow favoritism when millions of their dollars are on the line? I certainly wouldn't; would you?
Phlash
Footballguy
That hit WAS pretty cheap, and I'll admit that I'm disappointed he didn't have the focus to avoid injuring Losman, but I will say this - he was falling and was doing his best to make a play on the QB. He was coming down too fast to make a tackle so he was probably trying to hit Losman in the thigh to knock him off balance so someone else could finish him off, but Wilfork came down too fast and hit him in the knee instead. I don't think he was doing that with the intent of hurting him, but he absolutely should have been more careful in where he is placing his elbow.
Green and Gold
Footballguy
This is an excellent thing to have happened for the Patriots. If I'm them, I want opposing QBs to have this stuff in the back of their head all year. When you're glancing nervously around for the next cheap shot, they're in your head enough to put you off your game. The only way it could have been better is if Losman didn't miss any games, because you don't actually want people hurt. You just want them to be afraid of getting hurt.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Why was he even making a play on Losman? Wilfork took a good 2 steps AFTER the ball was already out of Losman's hand. So, no, I don't think that he was trying to make a tackle or trying to knock him off balance so somebody else could "finish him off." Unless Wilfork not only has the body control of somebody having an epileptic fit, but is also legally blind. Then I could see how he didn't see that the ball was out of Losman's hand despite looking directly at him.
DemonOfTheFall
Footballguy
Does anyone know of a full speed version of this clip?
I'll admit, I'm a huge Pats fan. Have been since I was little (the Grogan and Eason years). I hate seeing my boys involved in shady business on or off the field. I was really upset when I saw this happen live, and I'm even more upset now. I don't want it to be what it so clearly is: a cheap shot. It pains me to admit it. I'm sure he was trying to get an elbow in on Losman. I don't know WHAT he was trying to do to Losman other than get his elbow into him (and no one else here, no matter what you think you see on that video can, either). It was a bad decision. He's getting away with a really minimal fine, especially compared to some of those other fines for really inconsequential things.
I just want all this dirty stuff to stop, as a fan of the game, and a fan of the Pats.
I'll admit, I'm a huge Pats fan. Have been since I was little (the Grogan and Eason years). I hate seeing my boys involved in shady business on or off the field. I was really upset when I saw this happen live, and I'm even more upset now. I don't want it to be what it so clearly is: a cheap shot. It pains me to admit it. I'm sure he was trying to get an elbow in on Losman. I don't know WHAT he was trying to do to Losman other than get his elbow into him (and no one else here, no matter what you think you see on that video can, either). It was a bad decision. He's getting away with a really minimal fine, especially compared to some of those other fines for really inconsequential things.
I just want all this dirty stuff to stop, as a fan of the game, and a fan of the Pats.
RC94
Footballguy
Wow, I don't see how someone can watch that and not think it was a dirty play. It seems very obvious to me.
jonessed
Footballguy
Supporting cheap shots is
mad sweeney
Footballguy
It's clearly late and he clearly stuck his elbow out to hit Losman late. Even at full speed.He had a play earlier where he rolled another player's knee, a TE I think. Can't remember the play but in the game thread there were a few comments such as "That dude is a cheap player", and that was before the Losman hit. If his body had fallen on JP I can see wiggle room, but sticking out the elbow to make sure he hits Losman? The Buffalo OL better remember that play when they meet next time.
