Will Corey Williams play end in Cleveland? (1 Viewer)

[Jason Wood]

Does anyone have confirmation that Corey Williams is slated to play 3-4 end in Cleveland? It occurs to me it's not everyday an NFL team trades for two (potentially) dominant defensive tackles; but that's what the Browns have done. Both were 4-3 tackles though, and I haven't heard anything about the Browns entertaining the idea of a switch to the 4-3. So that can only mean either Williams or Rogers would play 3-4 end; and physically I would think Rogers is built more like a traditional nose tackle.

Any homers or IDP guys have some confirmation of this?

 

[msommer]

I was thinking (and I am neither a homer nor an IDP guru) that we could be seeing some 4-3 next year, bu it is possible that Williams is slated for end duty. Just because it did not work with Sapp does not mean it is impossble.

 

[Weiner Dog]

Corey Williams and Shaun Rogers are two completely different DT's. Williams is a pass-rushing, penetrating DT...while Rogers is a "plug the middle" and "don't get driven backwards" DT. Williams will definitely be an End in the Browns base scheme. Rogers will bounce from NT in the 3-4, to DT in the occasional 4-3.

I believe most teams are trying to have the flexibility to run a 3-4 hybrid (ala BALT) going forward. By coupling Williams, Rogers and (hopefully) LaBoy with the current DL's and OLB's of S Smith, R Smith, Wimbley and Peek, the Browns will be well on their way.

I'm very impressed with their signings thus far. If they can add Hadnot to their OL, they will be 4-for-4 on the season with signings.

 

[twitch]

Id expect just based on their weight, Rogers at 340 is better suited at the nose than is Williams at 310. That would seem a near no-brainer. Essentially, atleast 2 of the linemen in a good 3-4 are traditional D Tackles, so it looks like it could be a winner here. Williams has a great frame for the 3-4 end position at 6'4 with that weight. Both of these guys will probably demand doubles, but only one will get them. So, if Cleveland can get an outside backer over Williams who can legitimately get after the passer, its gonna work a heck of alot better than what Cleveland was doing last season.

Cleveland is really elevating their position in that division for sure. Youve gotta love a team going after quality 'bigs' when they know that's their weakness. I for one am glad NE wont have to find out next year how good they may be. Atleast in the regular season.

 

[Bob Henry]

Corey Williams and Shaun Rogers are two completely different DT's. Williams is a pass-rushing, penetrating DT...while Rogers is a "plug the middle" and "don't get driven backwards" DT. Williams will definitely be an End in the Browns base scheme. Rogers will bounce from NT in the 3-4, to DT in the occasional 4-3.I believe most teams are trying to have the flexibility to run a 3-4 hybrid (ala BALT) going forward. By coupling Williams, Rogers and (hopefully) LaBoy with the current DL's and OLB's of S Smith, R Smith, Wimbley and Peek, the Browns will be well on their way.

I know you're not saying that Rogers is not this, but he's also a guy (when motivated and not sucking wind) that can penetrate up the field, rush the passer from the NT/DT spot as well as take on two blockers at a time. I think Rogers could be the key to the Browns switching between the 3-4/4-3. I wouldn't be surprised if they toy around with Rogers and Williams as the ends in a 3-4/nickel formation with Shaun Smith at NT. I think they could wreck some havoc with those two each at end and with Wimbley/Peek/McGinest on the edges. Interesting moves by Cleveland thus far. Their defense will be intriguing next year..

 

[twitch]

Corey Williams and Shaun Rogers are two completely different DT's. Williams is a pass-rushing, penetrating DT...while Rogers is a "plug the middle" and "don't get driven backwards" DT. Williams will definitely be an End in the Browns base scheme. Rogers will bounce from NT in the 3-4, to DT in the occasional 4-3.I believe most teams are trying to have the flexibility to run a 3-4 hybrid (ala BALT) going forward. By coupling Williams, Rogers and (hopefully) LaBoy with the current DL's and OLB's of S Smith, R Smith, Wimbley and Peek, the Browns will be well on their way.

I know you're not saying that Rogers is not this, but he's also a guy (when motivated and not sucking wind) that can penetrate up the field, rush the passer from the NT/DT spot as well as take on two blockers at a time. I think Rogers could be the key to the Browns switching between the 3-4/4-3. I wouldn't be surprised if they toy around with Rogers and Williams as the ends in a 3-4/nickel formation with Shaun Smith at NT. I think they could wreck some havoc with those two each at end and with Wimbley/Peek/McGinest on the edges. Interesting moves by Cleveland thus far. Their defense will be intriguing next year..

I was wondering about McGinest's role with this team moving forward. He played incredibly slow last year. He's without a doubt one of the slowest LBs in the league. He sets the edge, but he cant move past it like he once did. I think for Cleveland to take that next step, theyre gonna have to do it without McGinest as a starter. Im not familiar enough with their personnel, but I know he's probably not good enough to start at LB anymore in the NFL. just my humble opinion. They need to draft a young stud OLB to play opposite Wimbely. Combined with the line moves theyve just made, that's the next logical step for this D.

 

[SteelerMurf]

3-4 ends and DTs are so different than in a 4-3.

Browns I think are taking a risk bringing these guys in and thinking they are a good fit in a 3-4. IT's entirely different with different responsibilities.

Some teams running a 3-4 spend many, many years trying to find the right fit inside and out.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Corey Williams and Shaun Rogers are two completely different DT's. Williams is a pass-rushing, penetrating DT...while Rogers is a "plug the middle" and "don't get driven backwards" DT. Williams will definitely be an End in the Browns base scheme. Rogers will bounce from NT in the 3-4, to DT in the occasional 4-3.I believe most teams are trying to have the flexibility to run a 3-4 hybrid (ala BALT) going forward. By coupling Williams, Rogers and (hopefully) LaBoy with the current DL's and OLB's of S Smith, R Smith, Wimbley and Peek, the Browns will be well on their way.

I know you're not saying that Rogers is not this, but he's also a guy (when motivated and not sucking wind) that can penetrate up the field, rush the passer from the NT/DT spot as well as take on two blockers at a time. I think Rogers could be the key to the Browns switching between the 3-4/4-3. I wouldn't be surprised if they toy around with Rogers and Williams as the ends in a 3-4/nickel formation with Shaun Smith at NT. I think they could wreck some havoc with those two each at end and with Wimbley/Peek/McGinest on the edges. Interesting moves by Cleveland thus far. Their defense will be intriguing next year..

I'm with this guy.

 

[Jene Bramel]

3-4 ends and DTs are so different than in a 4-3.

Browns I think are taking a risk bringing these guys in and thinking they are a good fit in a 3-4. IT's entirely different with different responsibilities.

Some teams running a 3-4 spend many, many years trying to find the right fit inside and out.

With the advent of so many 3-4 fronts that aren't solely 2-gap alignments, this isn't as true as once may have been. Robaire Smith is a great example of a guy who works well both as a 3-4 end and a 4-3 DT. I agree with the larger point, though, that it has to be the right 4-3 DT/DE that gets moved to the 3-4.

 

[Moniker]

Browns will keep our 3-4

I would guess a "starting" lineup of DE C Williams, NT S Rogers and DE R Smith with S Smith spelling all three of them since he can play all three positions. By the end of the year I could see all four of them having about an equal numbers of snaps.

At LB, LaBoy (should be signed soon) and Wimbley outside, with McGinest getting a few snaps a game (mostly there to help the new/young players learn the defense) and Jackson and Davis/L Williams playing inside.

 

[Weiner Dog]

LaBoy has cancelled his trip to Naw Arlins. I would expect to hear of a signing soon.

 

[Jason Wood]

The Browns website confirms that Williams will be used as an end (both left and right end) while Rogers will primarily be used at the nose; but not exclusively.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/article.php?id=8253

 

[Irish]

The Browns website confirms that Williams will be used as an end (both left and right end) while Rogers will primarily be used at the nose; but not exclusively.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/article.php?id=8253

I don't know about Rogers being an effective NT. NT get double teamed on every play just about by C and G and based on Rogers conditioning (or lack of) I question his effectiveness for an entire season.

 

[mr blond]

The Browns website confirms that Williams will be used as an end (both left and right end) while Rogers will primarily be used at the nose; but not exclusively.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/article.php?id=8253

I don't know about Rogers being an effective NT. NT get double teamed on every play just about by C and G and based on Rogers conditioning (or lack of) I question his effectiveness for an entire season.

I think Rogers is well suited for NT. He'll consume multiple blockers and free up the LB's. I can't argue negative views on Rogers' work ethoc and conditioning, but from a prototypical standpoint, Rogers looks like he'd be a good NT.

 

[Bobcat10]

The Browns website confirms that Williams will be used as an end (both left and right end) while Rogers will primarily be used at the nose; but not exclusively.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/article.php?id=8253

I don't know about Rogers being an effective NT. NT get double teamed on every play just about by C and G and based on Rogers conditioning (or lack of) I question his effectiveness for an entire season.

I think Rogers is well suited for NT. He'll consume multiple blockers and free up the LB's. I can't argue negative views on Rogers' work ethoc and conditioning, but from a prototypical standpoint, Rogers looks like he'd be a good NT.

Him taking up two blockers is the point, right?

We should be confident that Romeo and Tucker can get more out of him than the Lions. There is no reason not to be.

 

[Irish]

The Browns website confirms that Williams will be used as an end (both left and right end) while Rogers will primarily be used at the nose; but not exclusively.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/article.php?id=8253

I don't know about Rogers being an effective NT. NT get double teamed on every play just about by C and G and based on Rogers conditioning (or lack of) I question his effectiveness for an entire season.

I think Rogers is well suited for NT. He'll consume multiple blockers and free up the LB's. I can't argue negative views on Rogers' work ethoc and conditioning, but from a prototypical standpoint, Rogers looks like he'd be a good NT.

Size wise yes Rogers is a protypical NT, however they also must be very strong with good endurance and withstand constant double teaming and this is where I see problems for Rogers. As a Longhorn fan, I have followed Rogers career since college and he has not changed since college. Huge talent with great potential, but he just does not have the drive or will to fulfill his potential. He is always out of shape and trying to just get by on his physical abilities. He is a bad teammate in that regard because his teammates cannot rely on him from game to game. Some guys want to be great or at least the best that they can be. Then there are players like Rogers who do just enough to get a very good paycheck and they settle for that. He is 28-29 and this will not suddenly change.

 

[Bobcat10]

The Browns website confirms that Williams will be used as an end (both left and right end) while Rogers will primarily be used at the nose; but not exclusively.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/article.php?id=8253

My opinion would be Shaun Smith will see more time at DT than Williams, but all three will contribute to the position (which means Rogers will not get overworked). We'll find out more this summer though.

 

[Irish]

The Browns website confirms that Williams will be used as an end (both left and right end) while Rogers will primarily be used at the nose; but not exclusively.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/article.php?id=8253

I don't know about Rogers being an effective NT. NT get double teamed on every play just about by C and G and based on Rogers conditioning (or lack of) I question his effectiveness for an entire season.

I think Rogers is well suited for NT. He'll consume multiple blockers and free up the LB's. I can't argue negative views on Rogers' work ethoc and conditioning, but from a prototypical standpoint, Rogers looks like he'd be a good NT.

Him taking up two blockers is the point, right?

We should be confident that Romeo and Tucker can get more out of him than the Lions. There is no reason not to be.

The problem is that I didn't see him take on any blockers when he was on the Lions sidelines with the oxygen mask on for half the game. I know Browns fans are excited because Savage addressed the front 4, but you will come to loathe Rogers because one game he will be a destructive force and the next 4-5 games you wouldn't even know he is on the Browns roster.

 

[mr blond]

The Browns website confirms that Williams will be used as an end (both left and right end) while Rogers will primarily be used at the nose; but not exclusively.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/article.php?id=8253

I don't know about Rogers being an effective NT. NT get double teamed on every play just about by C and G and based on Rogers conditioning (or lack of) I question his effectiveness for an entire season.

I think Rogers is well suited for NT. He'll consume multiple blockers and free up the LB's. I can't argue negative views on Rogers' work ethoc and conditioning, but from a prototypical standpoint, Rogers looks like he'd be a good NT.

Size wise yes Rogers is a protypical NT, however they also must be very strong with good endurance and withstand constant double teaming and this is where I see problems for Rogers. As a Longhorn fan, I have followed Rogers career since college and he has not changed since college. Huge talent with great potential, but he just does not have the drive or will to fulfill his potential. He is always out of shape and trying to just get by on his physical abilities. He is a bad teammate in that regard because his teammates cannot rely on him from game to game. Some guys want to be great or at least the best that they can be. Then there are players like Rogers who do just enough to get a very good paycheck and they settle for that. He is 28-29 and this will not suddenly change.

Well, it sounds like your opinion is that not only would he be a bad NT, but a bad DE, DT and just a bad football player in general.

 

[Irish]

The Browns website confirms that Williams will be used as an end (both left and right end) while Rogers will primarily be used at the nose; but not exclusively.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/article.php?id=8253

I don't know about Rogers being an effective NT. NT get double teamed on every play just about by C and G and based on Rogers conditioning (or lack of) I question his effectiveness for an entire season.

I think Rogers is well suited for NT. He'll consume multiple blockers and free up the LB's. I can't argue negative views on Rogers' work ethoc and conditioning, but from a prototypical standpoint, Rogers looks like he'd be a good NT.

Size wise yes Rogers is a protypical NT, however they also must be very strong with good endurance and withstand constant double teaming and this is where I see problems for Rogers. As a Longhorn fan, I have followed Rogers career since college and he has not changed since college. Huge talent with great potential, but he just does not have the drive or will to fulfill his potential. He is always out of shape and trying to just get by on his physical abilities. He is a bad teammate in that regard because his teammates cannot rely on him from game to game. Some guys want to be great or at least the best that they can be. Then there are players like Rogers who do just enough to get a very good paycheck and they settle for that. He is 28-29 and this will not suddenly change.

Well, it sounds like your opinion is that not only would he be a bad NT, but a bad DE, DT and just a bad football player in general.

Relative to what the Browns gave up (Bodden and 3rd pick) and what he is paid, yes he is overrated. Who knows maybe the light will come on for him to realize his potential, but at 28-29 yrs old with a good contract I doubt this will happen.

 

[chris1969]

The Browns website confirms that Williams will be used as an end (both left and right end) while Rogers will primarily be used at the nose; but not exclusively.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/article.php?id=8253

I don't know about Rogers being an effective NT. NT get double teamed on every play just about by C and G and based on Rogers conditioning (or lack of) I question his effectiveness for an entire season.

I think Rogers is well suited for NT. He'll consume multiple blockers and free up the LB's. I can't argue negative views on Rogers' work ethoc and conditioning, but from a prototypical standpoint, Rogers looks like he'd be a good NT.

Size wise yes Rogers is a protypical NT, however they also must be very strong with good endurance and withstand constant double teaming and this is where I see problems for Rogers. As a Longhorn fan, I have followed Rogers career since college and he has not changed since college. Huge talent with great potential, but he just does not have the drive or will to fulfill his potential. He is always out of shape and trying to just get by on his physical abilities. He is a bad teammate in that regard because his teammates cannot rely on him from game to game. Some guys want to be great or at least the best that they can be. Then there are players like Rogers who do just enough to get a very good paycheck and they settle for that. He is 28-29 and this will not suddenly change.

Well, it sounds like your opinion is that not only would he be a bad NT, but a bad DE, DT and just a bad football player in general.

Relative to what the Browns gave up (Bodden and 3rd pick) and what he is paid, yes he is overrated. Who knows maybe the light will come on for him to realize his potential, but at 28-29 yrs old with a good contract I doubt this will happen.

My bad, I thought we were the ones that traded for the guy that went to 2 Pro-bowls, I didn't realize it was Detroit.

 

[Irish]

The Browns website confirms that Williams will be used as an end (both left and right end) while Rogers will primarily be used at the nose; but not exclusively.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/article.php?id=8253

I don't know about Rogers being an effective NT. NT get double teamed on every play just about by C and G and based on Rogers conditioning (or lack of) I question his effectiveness for an entire season.

I think Rogers is well suited for NT. He'll consume multiple blockers and free up the LB's. I can't argue negative views on Rogers' work ethoc and conditioning, but from a prototypical standpoint, Rogers looks like he'd be a good NT.

Size wise yes Rogers is a protypical NT, however they also must be very strong with good endurance and withstand constant double teaming and this is where I see problems for Rogers. As a Longhorn fan, I have followed Rogers career since college and he has not changed since college. Huge talent with great potential, but he just does not have the drive or will to fulfill his potential. He is always out of shape and trying to just get by on his physical abilities. He is a bad teammate in that regard because his teammates cannot rely on him from game to game. Some guys want to be great or at least the best that they can be. Then there are players like Rogers who do just enough to get a very good paycheck and they settle for that. He is 28-29 and this will not suddenly change.

Well, it sounds like your opinion is that not only would he be a bad NT, but a bad DE, DT and just a bad football player in general.

Relative to what the Browns gave up (Bodden and 3rd pick) and what he is paid, yes he is overrated. Who knows maybe the light will come on for him to realize his potential, but at 28-29 yrs old with a good contract I doubt this will happen.

My bad, I thought we were the ones that traded for the guy that went to 2 Pro-bowls, I didn't realize it was Detroit.

I don't hold much value to Pro Bowls. Nothing but popularity contest and everyone pulls out of the game so everyone and their brother gets to claim they are Pro Bowlers.