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Will Michael Vick be a starting QB in the NFL again? (1 Viewer)

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What team trusts its most visible position to one such as Vick? What GM puts his future in Vick's hands. Only a troubled franchise or one with an insane owner goes that route, and Al Davis has his Q.B. of the future.
The guy was dog fighting, which you can be damn sure he won't do again. And he smokes weed from time to time, which might describe half the guys in the NFL. He's not a habitual coke snorter, wife beater, drunk driver, etc. And his teammates LOVED him. When he's reinstated, Lovie looks to his left and sees Rex Grossman... then he looks to his right and sees Kyle Orton. You don't think he'd rather have Vick? What about Childress? Nolan? Edwards? When he comes back, he'll be in demand.
I can personally guarantee you, that Nolan would not rather have Vick... AND i can also guarantee that so long as Nolan is HC of the Niners, Vick will not be donning the Crimson and Gold.Nolan is renowned for seeking "character" guys, and Vick my friends, does not fit that bill... If you so much as sneeze and don’t excuse yourself, Nolan will put you in the doghouse (no pun intended) and you will be cut next season.

could actually be one of his biggest flaws as a HC if you ask me... but take it or leave it, he is predictable when it comes to this subject.

BAM

 
Andy Herron said:
Warriors Forever said:
Looks like the same Shark Pool voting on the same poll from 11 months ago has spoken yet again...Do you "see it" yet??
Oh ya, he's done.But imagine for a moment if he did come back.I wonder how many dog-lovin' defensive linemen who may or may not be dog owners would be "licking their chops" at a chance to get a good shot on him?Regardless of how much agility Vick may have lost, he'd get pummeled and wouldn't last long. :football:ETA: I think most anybody would gladly take a penalty for roughing the QB, etc.
Really Andy? It's just my opinion, but I think you are over estimating the degree of offendedness the average NFL player has for what Vick did. Right or wrong, I think there is a lot of players that have the Clinton Portis, "Aw Maaaan. It's jus dog fightin'. It's not like he's hurtin anyone". I'd say by and large the average defensive lineman wouldn't hold any more animosity toward Vick than they would any other QB.J
 
I don't mean "starting" because the QB in front of him got injured.

I mean "starting" as in being the regular # 1 QB on the depth chart.

Judging by Johnny U's poll 11 months ago, the overwhelming majority of the Shark Pool thinks he's done. I don't see it.

To me, it's a no-brainer. If Leornard Little still has a job after killing a woman (then driving drunk AGAIN), Vick will be back. Yes, he was never the best QB on the planet, but he's gotta be one of the 32 best. And it's not like he went away for 8 years. He'll still have his wheels.
You're wrong as usual.
 
Joe Bryant said:
Andy Herron said:
Warriors Forever said:
Looks like the same Shark Pool voting on the same poll from 11 months ago has spoken yet again...

Do you "see it" yet??
Oh ya, he's done.But imagine for a moment if he did come back.

I wonder how many dog-lovin' defensive linemen who may or may not be dog owners would be "licking their chops" at a chance to get a good shot on him?

Regardless of how much agility Vick may have lost, he'd get pummeled and wouldn't last long. :excited:

ETA: I think most anybody would gladly take a penalty for roughing the QB, etc.
Really Andy? It's just my opinion, but I think you are over estimating the degree of offendedness the average NFL player has for what Vick did. Right or wrong, I think there is a lot of players that have the Clinton Portis, "Aw Maaaan. It's jus dog fightin'. It's not like he's hurtin anyone". I'd say by and large the average defensive lineman wouldn't hold any more animosity toward Vick than they would any other QB.

J
Aww man Joe.Ya know, I almost replied to your first post in this thread to contradict you, but decided otherwise (I like my job- :lmao: )

I know, we're good, we can have fun with this.

But I think you are "under-estimating." While there may very well be some "Clinton Portis's out there," there are also plenty of likenesses of Bill Romanowski types (I know, he was a LB, but still). Dirty, nasty defenders who need very little reason, if any, to go after someone with a little added incentive. Big guys have big hearts, generally speaking, and for those that are dog owners/lovers, I would NOT want to be Michael Vick looking across the line of scrimmage at them. Rest assured.

I will say this, I'm willing to make a small wager that Vick doesn't come back as a QB, if at all.

You game? :lmao:

 
We don't know what labor environment he's going to come back to or when he'll be coming back. For those reasons, I lean toward no. I think he has to be able to play by age 33 to have a shot at getting a contract somewhere. I'm not sure it will happen. The NFL suspension issue will revolve around public sentiment and the labor situation.

 
i hope so, and i actually think fans will be more forgiving we think because he went to prison for 2 years.

it'd be rough, but a GM could play up the whole "he's paid his debt to society, he's been rehabilitated, blah, blah, blah" thing and i don't think the fans would revolt.
That's not "playing up" anything... it's the truth. He did pay his debt to society.For the record, I love animals. We have dogs, a cat and a parrot. But I think Vick's sentence was too severe.
i completely agree with you.
You forget that it was about a lot more then simply animal cruelty. It was a true conspiracy involving illegal interstate gambling rings. Also realize that this type of activity also leads to numerous other conspiracies like money-laundering, racketeering, etc., and that at least one man was killed who allegedly was involved in one of Vick's rings.Animal cruelty gets all the press, but it was actually among his lesser offenses. Michael Vick grew up in this neck of the woods, and he's NOT a good guy. He always has been a street thug. (FWIW...his brother is worse.)

Goodall knows all of this, and for that reason I think Vick is unlikely to ever get a chance to return as long as Goodall is the commish. And I, personally, am glad for that.

ETA: For those who have really only thought about animal cruelty, think about this:

What sort of character is a person who conspires with and does frequent business with the type of shady characters who set up and operate illegal gambling enterprises interstate? These are not minor criminals, and Vick was HEAVILY INVOLVED. Two years suddenly seems, if anything, several years too short.

 
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i hope so, and i actually think fans will be more forgiving we think because he went to prison for 2 years.

it'd be rough, but a GM could play up the whole "he's paid his debt to society, he's been rehabilitated, blah, blah, blah" thing and i don't think the fans would revolt.
That's not "playing up" anything... it's the truth. He did pay his debt to society.For the record, I love animals. We have dogs, a cat and a parrot. But I think Vick's sentence was too severe.
i completely agree with you.
You forget that it was about a lot more then simply animal cruelty. It was a true conspiracy involving illegal interstate gambling rings. Also realize that this type of activity also leads to numerous other conspiracies like money-laundering, racketeering, etc., and that at least one man was killed who allegedly was involved in one of Vick's rings.Animal cruelty gets all the press, but it was actually among his lesser offenses. Michael Vick grew up in this neck of the woods, and he's NOT a good guy. He always has been a street thug. (FWIW...his brother is worse.)

Goodall knows all of this, and for that reason I think Vick is unlikely to ever get a chance to return as long as Goodall is the commish. And I, personally, am glad for that.

ETA: For those who have really only thought about animal cruelty, think about this:

What sort of character is a person who conspires with and does frequent business with the type of shady characters who set up and operate illegal gambling enterprises interstate? These are not minor criminals, and Vick was HEAVILY INVOLVED. Two years suddenly seems, if anything, several years too short.
i get your point and think it certainly could mean vick never gets reinstated.personally, though, i put absolutely no stock in the other charges (money laundering, racketeering, interstate gambling ring). when you are doing something illegal that involves gambling, there's money to be laundered, right. i'm glad he was gambling. this activity would be even sicker if there were no gambling involved.

not disagreeing with your point, those other charges will be a factor for goodell.

i don't know the guy, so i don't know what kind of guy he is.

 
The QB play in the league outside of a few studs is crap(much worse than Vick ever was), I think he will be starting again in the future.

 
i hope so, and i actually think fans will be more forgiving we think because he went to prison for 2 years.

it'd be rough, but a GM could play up the whole "he's paid his debt to society, he's been rehabilitated, blah, blah, blah" thing and i don't think the fans would revolt.
That's not "playing up" anything... it's the truth. He did pay his debt to society.For the record, I love animals. We have dogs, a cat and a parrot. But I think Vick's sentence was too severe.
i completely agree with you.
You forget that it was about a lot more then simply animal cruelty. It was a true conspiracy involving illegal interstate gambling rings. Also realize that this type of activity also leads to numerous other conspiracies like money-laundering, racketeering, etc., and that at least one man was killed who allegedly was involved in one of Vick's rings.Animal cruelty gets all the press, but it was actually among his lesser offenses. Michael Vick grew up in this neck of the woods, and he's NOT a good guy. He always has been a street thug. (FWIW...his brother is worse.)

Goodall knows all of this, and for that reason I think Vick is unlikely to ever get a chance to return as long as Goodall is the commish. And I, personally, am glad for that.

ETA: For those who have really only thought about animal cruelty, think about this:

What sort of character is a person who conspires with and does frequent business with the type of shady characters who set up and operate illegal gambling enterprises interstate? These are not minor criminals, and Vick was HEAVILY INVOLVED. Two years suddenly seems, if anything, several years too short.
i get your point and think it certainly could mean vick never gets reinstated.personally, though, i put absolutely no stock in the other charges (money laundering, racketeering, interstate gambling ring). when you are doing something illegal that involves gambling, there's money to be laundered, right. i'm glad he was gambling. this activity would be even sicker if there were no gambling involved.

not disagreeing with your point, those other charges will be a factor for goodell.

i don't know the guy, so i don't know what kind of guy he is.
He is the king of guy who enjoys forcing dogs to kill each other.
 
Joe Bryant said:
Andy Herron said:
Warriors Forever said:
Looks like the same Shark Pool voting on the same poll from 11 months ago has spoken yet again...

Do you "see it" yet??
Oh ya, he's done.But imagine for a moment if he did come back.

I wonder how many dog-lovin' defensive linemen who may or may not be dog owners would be "licking their chops" at a chance to get a good shot on him?

Regardless of how much agility Vick may have lost, he'd get pummeled and wouldn't last long. :popcorn:

ETA: I think most anybody would gladly take a penalty for roughing the QB, etc.
Really Andy? It's just my opinion, but I think you are over estimating the degree of offendedness the average NFL player has for what Vick did. Right or wrong, I think there is a lot of players that have the Clinton Portis, "Aw Maaaan. It's jus dog fightin'. It's not like he's hurtin anyone". I'd say by and large the average defensive lineman wouldn't hold any more animosity toward Vick than they would any other QB.

J
Aww man Joe.Ya know, I almost replied to your first post in this thread to contradict you, but decided otherwise (I like my job- :thumbup: )

I know, we're good, we can have fun with this.

But I think you are "under-estimating." While there may very well be some "Clinton Portis's out there," there are also plenty of likenesses of Bill Romanowski types (I know, he was a LB, but still). Dirty, nasty defenders who need very little reason, if any, to go after someone with a little added incentive. Big guys have big hearts, generally speaking, and for those that are dog owners/lovers, I would NOT want to be Michael Vick looking across the line of scrimmage at them. Rest assured.

I will say this, I'm willing to make a small wager that Vick doesn't come back as a QB, if at all.

You game? :mellow:
Sure. For most all these guys, this is very much a business. It's why they can have the laughing and joking after the game. For most of them, they're actors in a big production. Some truly dislike the other team, but for the most part, they are all part of one big NFL group of players knowing they are making a ton of money playing a kids game. Injury is the one thing that can quickly derail them and I really think it's a very small minority that would try and hurt or take out another player. Especially for fighting dogs.

Another couple of questions - do you think Vick was the only guy fighting dogs? Do you think the opposing players knew he fought dogs?

J

 
For most all these guys, this is very much a business. It's why they can have the laughing and joking after the game. For most of them, they're actors in a big production. Some truly dislike the other team, but for the most part, they are all part of one big NFL group of players knowing they are making a ton of money playing a kids game. Injury is the one thing that can quickly derail them and I really think it's a very small minority that would try and hurt or take out another player. Especially for fighting dogs. Another couple of questions - do you think Vick was the only guy fighting dogs? Do you think the opposing players knew he fought dogs? J
J,While Vick is certainly not alone in fighting dogs, and I'm sure that some other players knew about it, there is a distinct difference between the guy who go's to and occassionally participates in, and the guy who bankrolls and helps organize, an illicit illegal activity.Look at it this way: Who's worse? The low level businessman busted for picking up a fake prostitute, or the pimp who organizes a prostitution ring?MORE: If someone has enough time/money invested in an illicit illegal activity such as this, what lengths would they go to to protect themselves? IE: If an innocent stumbled onto this while it was going on, a witness sure to squeal...what lengths would Vick and his compatriots gone to to keep it under wraps? You are absolutely deluding yourself and are unbelieveably naive if you believe "nothing" or a simple bribe to be the answer (although I'm sure they'd try a bribe first).There's a lot of people who want to minimize what Vick did and was up to because they simply can't see animal cruelty as THAT big a deal...and I agree with that part. Most of us aren't that turned off by gambling...after all, it's uncomfortably close to our favorite hobby, so it's against our nature to be offended by it. BUT, I'm absolutely amazed that so many people are so blind to the other aspects that are not just likely to follow, BUT ARE CERTAIN TO FOLLOW an enterprize of this sort. Be sure of this: The charges Vick actually went to prison for are only the ones that could be pinned on him/proven....they probably aren't even a tenth of what he's actually done!And Goodall, with his very different approach to the sport, apparently without our natural bias concerning any gambling, knows all of this!
 
For most all these guys, this is very much a business. It's why they can have the laughing and joking after the game. For most of them, they're actors in a big production. Some truly dislike the other team, but for the most part, they are all part of one big NFL group of players knowing they are making a ton of money playing a kids game. Injury is the one thing that can quickly derail them and I really think it's a very small minority that would try and hurt or take out another player. Especially for fighting dogs. Another couple of questions - do you think Vick was the only guy fighting dogs? Do you think the opposing players knew he fought dogs? J
J,While Vick is certainly not alone in fighting dogs, and I'm sure that some other players knew about it, there is a distinct difference between the guy who go's to and occassionally participates in, and the guy who bankrolls and helps organize, an illicit illegal activity.Look at it this way: Who's worse? The low level businessman busted for picking up a fake prostitute, or the pimp who organizes a prostitution ring?MORE: If someone has enough time/money invested in an illicit illegal activity such as this, what lengths would they go to to protect themselves? IE: If an innocent stumbled onto this while it was going on, a witness sure to squeal...what lengths would Vick and his compatriots gone to to keep it under wraps? You are absolutely deluding yourself and are unbelieveably naive if you believe "nothing" or a simple bribe to be the answer (although I'm sure they'd try a bribe first).There's a lot of people who want to minimize what Vick did and was up to because they simply can't see animal cruelty as THAT big a deal...and I agree with that part. Most of us aren't that turned off by gambling...after all, it's uncomfortably close to our favorite hobby, so it's against our nature to be offended by it. BUT, I'm absolutely amazed that so many people are so blind to the other aspects that are not just likely to follow, BUT ARE CERTAIN TO FOLLOW an enterprize of this sort. Be sure of this: The charges Vick actually went to prison for are only the ones that could be pinned on him/proven....they probably aren't even a tenth of what he's actually done!And Goodall, with his very different approach to the sport, apparently without our natural bias concerning any gambling, knows all of this!
Hi renesauz, Be sure to not get confused. I'm talking about how defensive lineman see dog fighting. What I think of it is not in the discussion.What do you think is the average opinion of the average defensive lineman about what Vick did and about him going to jail?J
 
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For most all these guys, this is very much a business. It's why they can have the laughing and joking after the game. For most of them, they're actors in a big production. Some truly dislike the other team, but for the most part, they are all part of one big NFL group of players knowing they are making a ton of money playing a kids game. Injury is the one thing that can quickly derail them and I really think it's a very small minority that would try and hurt or take out another player. Especially for fighting dogs.

Another couple of questions - do you think Vick was the only guy fighting dogs? Do you think the opposing players knew he fought dogs?

J
J,While Vick is certainly not alone in fighting dogs, and I'm sure that some other players knew about it, there is a distinct difference between the guy who go's to and occassionally participates in, and the guy who bankrolls and helps organize, an illicit illegal activity.

Look at it this way: Who's worse? The low level businessman busted for picking up a fake prostitute, or the pimp who organizes a prostitution ring?

MORE: If someone has enough time/money invested in an illicit illegal activity such as this, what lengths would they go to to protect themselves? IE: If an innocent stumbled onto this while it was going on, a witness sure to squeal...what lengths would Vick and his compatriots gone to to keep it under wraps? You are absolutely deluding yourself and are unbelieveably naive if you believe "nothing" or a simple bribe to be the answer (although I'm sure they'd try a bribe first).

There's a lot of people who want to minimize what Vick did and was up to because they simply can't see animal cruelty as THAT big a deal...and I agree with that part. Most of us aren't that turned off by gambling...after all, it's uncomfortably close to our favorite hobby, so it's against our nature to be offended by it. BUT, I'm absolutely amazed that so many people are so blind to the other aspects that are not just likely to follow, BUT ARE CERTAIN TO FOLLOW an enterprize of this sort. Be sure of this: The charges Vick actually went to prison for are only the ones that could be pinned on him/proven....they probably aren't even a tenth of what he's actually done!

And Goodall, with his very different approach to the sport, apparently without our natural bias concerning any gambling, knows all of this!
Hi renesauz, Be sure to not get confused. I'm talking about how defensive lineman see dog fighting. What I think of it is not in the discussion.

What do you think is the average opinion of the average defensive lineman about what Vick did and about him going to jail?

J
Sorry Joe...my post (which was admittedly dangerously close to a rant) was more about the misperceptions about what he did. Those misperceptions probably aren't as prevalent along the NFL's defensive lines, but I'm not so sure most of the ones who understood would care. IE: A handfull of players would probably have the extra motivation, but said motivation is generally over-rated anyway as most players are playing at or near %100 most of the time....the extra motivation does not equate to significantly enhanced performance. Those players with the extra would almost certainly be balanced out by those players wanting to help protect what they see as a wronged, and kindred soul.BUT, the basis for this thread wasn't really about the attitude of the players, but of Goodall and the owners...a very very different proposition.

 
I don't mean "starting" because the QB in front of him got injured.

I mean "starting" as in being the regular # 1 QB on the depth chart.

Judging by Johnny U's poll 11 months ago, the overwhelming majority of the Shark Pool thinks he's done. I don't see it.

To me, it's a no-brainer. If Leornard Little still has a job after killing a woman (then driving drunk AGAIN), Vick will be back. Yes, he was never the best QB on the planet, but he's gotta be one of the 32 best. And it's not like he went away for 8 years. He'll still have his wheels.
You're wrong as usual.
:bye:
 
Mike Vick is not starting in relief of an injured QB who is expected to recover and regain the starting job. He is the #1 QB on the depth chart for the Eagles as of week 3, 2010. . . so the question posed by the OP has definitively been answered. Not really any leeway in interpretation here.

 
Looks like the same Shark Pool voting on the same poll from 11 months ago has spoken yet again...

Do you "see it" yet??
Oh ya, he's done.But imagine for a moment if he did come back.

I wonder how many dog-lovin' defensive linemen who may or may not be dog owners would be "licking their chops" at a chance to get a good shot on him?

Regardless of how much agility Vick may have lost, he'd get pummeled and wouldn't last long. :goodposting:

ETA: I think most anybody would gladly take a penalty for roughing the QB, etc.
Really Andy? It's just my opinion, but I think you are over estimating the degree of offendedness the average NFL player has for what Vick did. Right or wrong, I think there is a lot of players that have the Clinton Portis, "Aw Maaaan. It's jus dog fightin'. It's not like he's hurtin anyone". I'd say by and large the average defensive lineman wouldn't hold any more animosity toward Vick than they would any other QB.

J
Aww man Joe.Ya know, I almost replied to your first post in this thread to contradict you, but decided otherwise (I like my job- :thumbup: )

I know, we're good, we can have fun with this.

But I think you are "under-estimating." While there may very well be some "Clinton Portis's out there," there are also plenty of likenesses of Bill Romanowski types (I know, he was a LB, but still). Dirty, nasty defenders who need very little reason, if any, to go after someone with a little added incentive. Big guys have big hearts, generally speaking, and for those that are dog owners/lovers, I would NOT want to be Michael Vick looking across the line of scrimmage at them. Rest assured.

I will say this, I'm willing to make a small wager that Vick doesn't come back as a QB, if at all.

You game? :lmao:
Sure.

For most all these guys, this is very much a business. It's why they can have the laughing and joking after the game. For most of them, they're actors in a big production. Some truly dislike the other team, but for the most part, they are all part of one big NFL group of players knowing they are making a ton of money playing a kids game. Injury is the one thing that can quickly derail them and I really think it's a very small minority that would try and hurt or take out another player. Especially for fighting dogs.

Another couple of questions - do you think Vick was the only guy fighting dogs? Do you think the opposing players knew he fought dogs?

J
:popcorn:
 

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