Will RBBC ruin fantasy football? (1 Viewer)

[timschochet]

As a Steeler fan, I love the Mendenhall pick.

As a fantasy football player, I hate it.

It's nearly impossible as it is to project which running backs are going to be the studs. There are less and less guys you can count on. Who's going to be the top picks next year? Off the top of my head, I would say LT, ADP, perhaps Ryan Grant and Addai. If you can't get one of these guys or possibly 1 or 2 others, you're screwed, because nearly every other team is going to be an RBBC. And then it's going to be a total crapshoot; you're just guessing from game to game.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

As a Steeler fan, I love the Mendenhall pick.As a fantasy football player, I hate it.It's nearly impossible as it is to project which running backs are going to be the studs. There are less and less guys you can count on. Who's going to be the top picks next year? Off the top of my head, I would say LT, ADP, perhaps Ryan Grant and Addai. If you can't get one of these guys or possibly 1 or 2 others, you're screwed, because nearly every other team is going to be an RBBC. And then it's going to be a total crapshoot; you're just guessing from game to game.

I guess it makes wr's higher picks

 

[timschochet]

As a Steeler fan, I love the Mendenhall pick.As a fantasy football player, I hate it.It's nearly impossible as it is to project which running backs are going to be the studs. There are less and less guys you can count on. Who's going to be the top picks next year? Off the top of my head, I would say LT, ADP, perhaps Ryan Grant and Addai. If you can't get one of these guys or possibly 1 or 2 others, you're screwed, because nearly every other team is going to be an RBBC. And then it's going to be a total crapshoot; you're just guessing from game to game.

I guess it makes wr's higher picks

That was my first thought, but I doubt it. They have less consistency than even RBBC players, unless you get really lucky with a Randy Moss. And who knows if Moss will be that good again this year? Perhaps he falls back into the pack.

 

[Fighting Noles]

If anything, I think it HELPS FF. Redrafts had become boring and PREDICTABLE when 20 (or more) of the first 24 picks were used on RBs'. Your draft spot had a huge impact on how your team finished, along with health at RB. Now, IMO, the last few years (& even more so in the future) have involved a lot more strategy in the drafting process. I've been able to field QUALITY teams while starting RB/WR/WR/QB/RB/WR for instance....This was unheard of in most leagues just a few years ago. This has been coming for some time now & today was the final stamp on it IMHO....

 

[EastBayFunk]

Frankly, you were kidding yourself if you thought FWP was untouchable.

Mediocre RB's get pushed for PT. That will always be the case.

 

[timschochet]

If anything, I think it HELPS FF. Redrafts had become boring and PREDICTABLE when 20 (or more) of the first 24 picks were used on RBs'. Your draft spot had a huge impact on how your team finished, along with health at RB. Now, IMO, the last few years (& even more so in the future) have involved a lot more strategy in the drafting process. I've been able to field QUALITY teams while starting RB/WR/WR/QB/RB/WR for instance....This was unheard of in most leagues just a few years ago. This has been coming for some time now & today was the final stamp on it IMHO....

That's certainly another way of looking at it. I hope you're right...

 

[NoFBinLA]

If anything, I think it HELPS FF. Redrafts had become boring and PREDICTABLE when 20 (or more) of the first 24 picks were used on RBs'. Your draft spot had a huge impact on how your team finished, along with health at RB. Now, IMO, the last few years (& even more so in the future) have involved a lot more strategy in the drafting process. I've been able to field QUALITY teams while starting RB/WR/WR/QB/RB/WR for instance....This was unheard of in most leagues just a few years ago. This has been coming for some time now & today was the final stamp on it IMHO....

Not bad, just different.Last year I tried a RB/WR/WR in a few leagues with reasonable success.FF doesn't have to be RB heaven - it's just how it has been until now. More players will have value and strategy becomes more important.Today is just another step into a new direction.

 

[timschochet]

Frankly, you were kidding yourself if you thought FWP was untouchable.Mediocre RB's get pushed for PT. That will always be the case.

To field a winning team (at least in my league) you need your RBs to rush for 80-90 yards with a TD on a consistent basis (FWP did the first but not the second last year, though he did both the year before.)How many guys are left that we can count on to do this?

 

[EastBayFunk]

Frankly, you were kidding yourself if you thought FWP was untouchable.Mediocre RB's get pushed for PT. That will always be the case.

To field a winning team (at least in my league) you need your RBs to rush for 80-90 yards with a TD on a consistent basis (FWP did the first but not the second last year, though he did both the year before.)How many guys are left that we can count on to do this?

There's no shortage of workhorse backs. And if winning in your league requires a great RB then maybe you should consider a different league format. Personally, I'm not fond of leagues that force RB hoarding.

 

[timschochet]

If anything, I think it HELPS FF. Redrafts had become boring and PREDICTABLE when 20 (or more) of the first 24 picks were used on RBs'. Your draft spot had a huge impact on how your team finished, along with health at RB. Now, IMO, the last few years (& even more so in the future) have involved a lot more strategy in the drafting process. I've been able to field QUALITY teams while starting RB/WR/WR/QB/RB/WR for instance....This was unheard of in most leagues just a few years ago. This has been coming for some time now & today was the final stamp on it IMHO....

Not bad, just different.Last year I tried a RB/WR/WR in a few leagues with reasonable success.FF doesn't have to be RB heaven - it's just how it has been until now. More players will have value and strategy becomes more important.Today is just another step into a new direction.

Do you think then that in the magazines that come out this summer we will see mock drafts that really mix up the positions, or will it still be 9 out of 10 RB's drafted in the 1st round, etc.?

 

[NoFBinLA]

Frankly, you were kidding yourself if you thought FWP was untouchable.Mediocre RB's get pushed for PT. That will always be the case.

To field a winning team (at least in my league) you need your RBs to rush for 80-90 yards with a TD on a consistent basis (FWP did the first but not the second last year, though he did both the year before.)How many guys are left that we can count on to do this?

Then your league or strategy will have to adapt.Or is the league scoring so skewed to favor RBs that it's impossible to do anything but get RB after RB?If the NFL is changing, it may be time to adjust FF scoring for you guys.

 

[timschochet]

Frankly, you were kidding yourself if you thought FWP was untouchable.Mediocre RB's get pushed for PT. That will always be the case.

To field a winning team (at least in my league) you need your RBs to rush for 80-90 yards with a TD on a consistent basis (FWP did the first but not the second last year, though he did both the year before.)How many guys are left that we can count on to do this?

There's no shortage of workhorse backs. And if winning in your league requires a great RB then maybe you should consider a different league format. Personally, I'm not fond of leagues that force RB hoarding.

I'm commissioner of the league this year; we're only in our 3rd year. The players don't have any preference; they'll leave it up to me to decide so long as I'm fair. I think what you say makes sense, though I'll have to figure out how to implement that.

 

[NoFBinLA]

If anything, I think it HELPS FF. Redrafts had become boring and PREDICTABLE when 20 (or more) of the first 24 picks were used on RBs'. Your draft spot had a huge impact on how your team finished, along with health at RB. Now, IMO, the last few years (& even more so in the future) have involved a lot more strategy in the drafting process. I've been able to field QUALITY teams while starting RB/WR/WR/QB/RB/WR for instance....This was unheard of in most leagues just a few years ago. This has been coming for some time now & today was the final stamp on it IMHO....

Not bad, just different.Last year I tried a RB/WR/WR in a few leagues with reasonable success.FF doesn't have to be RB heaven - it's just how it has been until now. More players will have value and strategy becomes more important.Today is just another step into a new direction.

Do you think then that in the magazines that come out this summer we will see mock drafts that really mix up the positions, or will it still be 9 out of 10 RB's drafted in the 1st round, etc.?

Depends on the mag - some may have gone to press or are going shortly - so who knows if they will adapt in time? I bet most mocks were already DONE. So few rookies are worth a redraft look.If the mag saw this coming, maybe it will. But alot of people still believe it has to be RB/RB and most mags will reflect that. Still, it's chatter I have heard in writer circles for a couple of years.You may see more articles that discuss the shift.It will be interesting to see - hadn't given it much thought. I usually don't do much reading in mags - they are so out of date so quickly in many cases....

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

How about going to "team RB" instead of individual RBs?

 

[timschochet]

How about going to "team RB" instead of individual RBs?

That would make it a very different game.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Why do I care if WRs and QBs start jumping into the first round? Adapt or die.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

How about going to "team RB" instead of individual RBs?

That would make it a very different game.

An interesting twist however.

 

[DoubleG]

Frankly, you were kidding yourself if you thought FWP was untouchable.

Mediocre RB's get pushed for PT. That will always be the case.

To field a winning team (at least in my league) you need your RBs to rush for 80-90 yards with a TD on a consistent basis (FWP did the first but not the second last year, though he did both the year before.)How many guys are left that we can count on to do this?

Seriously?LT, Westy, SJax, ADP, Addai, Portis, LJ, Grant, McGahee, Grant, and probably Lynch, MBIII, E.Graham, Jamal Lewis and possibly Rudi, Brandon Jacobs, Edge, Maroney, L.White and Bush if they can stay healthy.

If by "count on" you mean "can guarantee they'll stay injury free" - that's never been possible. But most of the above have a solid hold on the starting job (save for maybe Rudi) and will likely be good bets for your required 80-90 + a TD on a regular basis (barring injury, of course) at least for 2008. FWP is simply the Chester Taylor of this year. The exception does not disprove the rule. Are there RBBC? Absolutely. But there are still quite a few "starters" (20 listed above) who put up consistant enough numbers.

 

[timschochet]

Frankly, you were kidding yourself if you thought FWP was untouchable.

Mediocre RB's get pushed for PT. That will always be the case.

To field a winning team (at least in my league) you need your RBs to rush for 80-90 yards with a TD on a consistent basis (FWP did the first but not the second last year, though he did both the year before.)How many guys are left that we can count on to do this?

Seriously?LT, Westy, SJax, ADP, Addai, Portis, LJ, Grant, McGahee, Grant, and probably Lynch, MBIII, E.Graham, Jamal Lewis and possibly Rudi, Brandon Jacobs, Edge, Maroney, L.White and Bush if they can stay healthy.

If by "count on" you mean "can guarantee they'll stay injury free" - that's never been possible. But most of the above have a solid hold on the starting job (save for maybe Rudi) and will likely be good bets for your required 80-90 + a TD on a regular basis (barring injury, of course) at least for 2008. FWP is simply the Chester Taylor of this year. The exception does not disprove the rule. Are there RBBC? Absolutely. But there are still quite a few "starters" (20 listed above) who put up consistant enough numbers.

I think many of the guys you named are real question marks going into this year.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Old question............

Answer is no. It just puts a premium on who we think entering a draft is a full time RB. It also changes the way many of us draft in positions outside the slots where you can get a so called STUD.

The NFL and Fantasy Football are so huge, nothing like RBBC is going to RUIN it, it'll just mutate itself.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I'm sure Chase Stuart will find a way to fix it.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I'm sure Chase Stuart will find a way to fix it.

 

[timschochet]

Old question............Answer is no. It just puts a premium on who we think entering a draft is a full time RB. It also changes the way many of us draft in positions outside the slots where you can get a so called STUD.The NFL and Fantasy Football are so huge, nothing like RBBC is going to RUIN it, it'll just mutate itself.

You're right of course, I shouldn't have used the word "ruin". But it will change things rather dramatically...

 

[DoubleG]

Frankly, you were kidding yourself if you thought FWP was untouchable.

Mediocre RB's get pushed for PT. That will always be the case.

To field a winning team (at least in my league) you need your RBs to rush for 80-90 yards with a TD on a consistent basis (FWP did the first but not the second last year, though he did both the year before.)How many guys are left that we can count on to do this?

Seriously?LT, Westy, SJax, ADP, Addai, Portis, LJ, Grant, McGahee, Grant, and probably Lynch, MBIII, E.Graham, Jamal Lewis and possibly Rudi, Brandon Jacobs, Edge, Maroney, L.White and Bush if they can stay healthy.

If by "count on" you mean "can guarantee they'll stay injury free" - that's never been possible. But most of the above have a solid hold on the starting job (save for maybe Rudi) and will likely be good bets for your required 80-90 + a TD on a regular basis (barring injury, of course) at least for 2008. FWP is simply the Chester Taylor of this year. The exception does not disprove the rule. Are there RBBC? Absolutely. But there are still quite a few "starters" (20 listed above) who put up consistant enough numbers.

I think many of the guys you named are real question marks going into this year.

Really? Which of the first 14 (again, without fluke injuries)?

 

[timschochet]

Frankly, you were kidding yourself if you thought FWP was untouchable.

Mediocre RB's get pushed for PT. That will always be the case.

To field a winning team (at least in my league) you need your RBs to rush for 80-90 yards with a TD on a consistent basis (FWP did the first but not the second last year, though he did both the year before.)How many guys are left that we can count on to do this?

Seriously?LT, Westy, SJax, ADP, Addai, Portis, LJ, Grant, McGahee, Grant, and probably Lynch, MBIII, E.Graham, Jamal Lewis and possibly Rudi, Brandon Jacobs, Edge, Maroney, L.White and Bush if they can stay healthy.

If by "count on" you mean "can guarantee they'll stay injury free" - that's never been possible. But most of the above have a solid hold on the starting job (save for maybe Rudi) and will likely be good bets for your required 80-90 + a TD on a regular basis (barring injury, of course) at least for 2008. FWP is simply the Chester Taylor of this year. The exception does not disprove the rule. Are there RBBC? Absolutely. But there are still quite a few "starters" (20 listed above) who put up consistant enough numbers.

I think many of the guys you named are real question marks going into this year.

Really? Which of the first 14 (again, without fluke injuries)?

I haven't followed this as much in the offseason, so go ahead and tell me if I'm wrong, but off the top of my head I would be wondering about Portis, LJ, MBIII, Graham, Lewis. Also, how much do Westbrool and LJ have in the tank? Will we start to see RBBC's in those cases as well?

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

I haven't followed this as much in the offseason, so go ahead and tell me if I'm wrong, but off the top of my head I would be wondering about Portis, LJ, MBIII, Graham, Lewis. Also, how much do Westbrool and LJ have in the tank? Will we start to see RBBC's in those cases as well?

Portis, Lewis, Westbrook, LJ all appear to be clear-cut starters right now. MBIII never got a disproportionate share of carries in the past, so this doesn't change his value. Graham, as of now, is still the man in TB. So I have literally no idea what you're talking about.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

This thread has really just turned into one for folks that hate FF's reliance on RBs to come get their jollies

 

[Chase Stuart]

RBBC is not a new thing. RBBC was common in the '70s and '80s, and really died out in the late '90s and early part of this year. A few more teams have gone back to RBBC, but it's nowhere like what it used to be, and I'd say the current RBBC makeup is more shifted towards the stud back approach than most of modern football history.

 

[lord_helmet]

Frankly, you were kidding yourself if you thought FWP was untouchable.Mediocre RB's get pushed for PT. That will always be the case.

To field a winning team (at least in my league) you need your RBs to rush for 80-90 yards with a TD on a consistent basis (FWP did the first but not the second last year, though he did both the year before.)How many guys are left that we can count on to do this?

There's no shortage of workhorse backs. And if winning in your league requires a great RB then maybe you should consider a different league format. Personally, I'm not fond of leagues that force RB hoarding.

Its all about the format.

 

[mad sweeney]

Frankly, you were kidding yourself if you thought FWP was untouchable.Mediocre RB's get pushed for PT. That will always be the case.

FWP is far from mediocre. He was leading the league in rushing late in the season before he got hurt. He wasn't spectacular inside the ten, but they ran a LOT of passing plays inside the ten. FF wise his lack of TDs was pushing him back but NFL wise he was doing everything he needed to do to be an elite player except cross the GL. And the team was scoring other ways so it's not like he was hurting the team with his low TD numbers. He may not be a HoFer but he is very far from mediocre. I'm surprised to see them go so early for a RB but they got a perfect compliment to FWP and Mendenhall should be a good GL/shrot yardage guy to mix in with FWP.

 

[Assani Fisher]

Skillful FF players should want more RBBCs and more uncertainty- it makes doing your homework even more important. Bad FF players should want lots of clear cut situations and lots of studs, as that way everyone can compete and whichever owner gets the luckiest will probably win.

 

[Arnold. S]

RBBC is fine, I actually think it's fun. It's not like the RBs on good running teams can't have success sharing carries. If anything, it helps them to stay healthy longer and produce for you throughout the entire season.

 

[Monty Burns]

How about going to "team RB" instead of individual RBs?

or best ball

 

[Christo]

How about going to "team RB" instead of individual RBs?

 

[Christo]

How about going to "team RB" instead of individual RBs?

That would make it a very different game.

An interesting twist however.

Interesting? Why not just draft Team QB, Team RB and Team WR and be done with it? Or how about drafting Team Team. In round one Hoss drafts the New England Patriots. In round two Hoss drafts the Arizona Cardinals to cover the Patriots' bye week. That way you don't have to do anything.

 

[FavreCo]

What it does is make FF more like the NFL. In the NFL the most important position is QB and it should be that way in FF. I am enjoying the RBBC.

 

[Dieselskid]

Frankly, you were kidding yourself if you thought FWP was untouchable.

Mediocre RB's get pushed for PT. That will always be the case.

To field a winning team (at least in my league) you need your RBs to rush for 80-90 yards with a TD on a consistent basis (FWP did the first but not the second last year, though he did both the year before.)How many guys are left that we can count on to do this?

Seriously?LT, Westy, SJax, ADP, Addai, Portis, LJ, Grant, McGahee, Grant, and probably Lynch, MBIII, E.Graham, Jamal Lewis and possibly Rudi, Brandon Jacobs, Edge, Maroney, L.White and Bush if they can stay healthy.

If by "count on" you mean "can guarantee they'll stay injury free" - that's never been possible. But most of the above have a solid hold on the starting job (save for maybe Rudi) and will likely be good bets for your required 80-90 + a TD on a regular basis (barring injury, of course) at least for 2008. FWP is simply the Chester Taylor of this year. The exception does not disprove the rule. Are there RBBC? Absolutely. But there are still quite a few "starters" (20 listed above) who put up consistant enough numbers.

At least 8 of these are big question marks.

 

[Irish]

How about going to "team RB" instead of individual RBs?

That would make it a very different game.

An interesting twist however.

Interesting? Why not just draft Team QB, Team RB and Team WR and be done with it? Or how about drafting Team Team. In round one Hoss drafts the New England Patriots. In round two Hoss drafts the Arizona Cardinals to cover the Patriots' bye week. That way you don't have to do anything.

Let's take all the thinking and strategy out of the game. It will just come down to who is lucky enough to draw the 1st pick to get to select NE team offfense.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

17 running backs had over 1000 rushing yards last season. 22 the year before that. RBBC is not a threat. Stop crying.

 

[Marc Levin]

What it does is make FF more like the NFL. In the NFL the most important position is QB and it should be that way in FF. I am enjoying the RBBC.

How is the QB spot not important in FF? The problem is 1 QB starter leagues, not stud RBs.If you want to emphasize the importance of QB in your league, go to 2-QB starter/QB in the flex. Devaluing RBs brings up WRs, not QBs.

 

[DonFue]

Christo is the man! Team team=hilarious!