will the packers start 1-6? (1 Viewer)

[pollardsvision]

packerfan seems pretty fired up about the aaron rodgers era right now.

looking at their schedule going into the bye, ATL seems like the only likely win (assuming rodgers is the QB).

the minny D will likely bust rodgers up on the MNF opener

the pack could win at detroit, but rodgers will be the 2nd best QB in a road game. detroit can be a worthy opponent early in the season at home.

they ain't beating dallas

they ain't beating TB on the road

should beat ATL

not beating seattle or indy

so, 1-6, or maybe 2-5, seems likely to me.

if/when that happens, i'm very eager to hear the reaction of cheesehead nation.

as it stands now, aaron rodgers has apparently morphed into steve young over the last 4 months. (and/or mccarthy has morphed into bill walsh).

rebuilding is usually something teams do when contending isn't an option. i've never seen a fan base so fired up about it.

 

[pollardsvision]

also, i ask that packers hang an banner on the side of lambeau that reads:

"Welcome to Green Bay, Wisconsin: Where 7-9 never felt so fine!"

 

[smackdaddies]

Put away the crack pipe.

HOME v. Minnie - please. Thats a Pack win

@ Det - Packer win. Detroit is AWFUL. Can you say fighting it our fo 0-16?

HOME v. Dallas. Dallas should win, but game is at Lambeau -

@ Tampa. Win for Pack. Tampa has very limited skill players

HOME v. Atlanta - Win for Pack

@ Seattle - likely Seattle win, but I am not impressed with most Seattle WR/RB's.

4-2 likely, possible 5-1, but I wouldn't put money on that. Only Seattle and Dallas have QB's better than Rogers.

I really hope your an owner in one of my leagues

 

[lod01]

Put away the crack pipe. HOME v. Minnie - please. Thats a Pack win@ Det - Packer win. Detroit is AWFUL. Can you say fighting it our fo 0-16?HOME v. Dallas. Dallas should win, but game is at Lambeau - @ Tampa. Win for Pack. Tampa has very limited skill playersHOME v. Atlanta - Win for Pack@ Seattle - likely Seattle win, but I am not impressed with most Seattle WR/RB's.4-2 likely, possible 5-1, but I wouldn't put money on that. Only Seattle and Dallas have QB's better than Rogers.I really hope your an owner in one of my leagues

Pretty accurate.

 

[pollardsvision]

Put away the crack pipe. HOME v. Minnie - please. Thats a Pack win@ Det - Packer win. Detroit is AWFUL. Can you say fighting it our fo 0-16?HOME v. Dallas. Dallas should win, but game is at Lambeau - @ Tampa. Win for Pack. Tampa has very limited skill playersHOME v. Atlanta - Win for Pack@ Seattle - likely Seattle win, but I am not impressed with most Seattle WR/RB's.4-2 likely, possible 5-1, but I wouldn't put money on that. Only Seattle and Dallas have QB's better than Rogers.I really hope your an owner in one of my leagues

i haven't smoked crack in at least 10 years.packer fans are dealing with an extreme case of cognitive dissonance. the human mind won't allow itself to have opposing thoughts going on at the same time. dissonance creates the need for justification. for example, if a person doesn't think of themselves as a thief, but they end up stealing something. they'll find any excuse in the world to justify that action, which doesn't jive with their notions of themselves.see, packer fans are frustrated with brett favre. they mentally moved on and that makes sense. so, they are mentally backing rodgers. now, with favre wanting to play, the mental urge to believe in rodgers becomes even stronger b/c rodgers better be very good, otherwise, it's insanity to not want favre.the human mind doesn't want to believe itself to be insane, so it's important to really believe in rodgers and the packers as a whole. make sense?anyway, that's relevant b/c that's the only way i can make sense of the above posting.minnesota:sure, it is a home game for the pack. now, who has the better defense? close, but i'd go with minny. who has the better running game? not close. it's minny. i'll take my chances with a team with a better defense, better running game and a more experienced QB.detroit:the packers should win this game, but certainly wouldn't be crazy if detroit did win.detroit's at home and has found the ability to play pretty well early in the season.i had no idea rodgers somehow is already better jon kitna. (dissonance at work here)detroit's the reason i said maybe 2-5, but the pack could lose this one.tampa:solid defense and a pretty good QB playing at home against an inexperienced QB. very loseable game for the pack.nobody, of course, knows for sure what the GB W-L will be after week 7, but you seem overly confident to me. to me, it seems very possible that they could be 1-6 at that point. 2-5 seems likely and 3-4 seems like a good thing to hope for.most especially, i'm amazed at rodgers becoming better than jon kitna and jeff garcia already. when did that happen?

 

[ScottyFargo]

Put away the crack pipe. HOME v. Minnie - please. Thats a Pack win@ Det - Packer win. Detroit is AWFUL. Can you say fighting it our fo 0-16?HOME v. Dallas. Dallas should win, but game is at Lambeau - @ Tampa. Win for Pack. Tampa has very limited skill playersHOME v. Atlanta - Win for Pack@ Seattle - likely Seattle win, but I am not impressed with most Seattle WR/RB's.4-2 likely, possible 5-1, but I wouldn't put money on that. Only Seattle and Dallas have QB's better than Rogers.I really hope your an owner in one of my leagues

i haven't smoked crack in at least 10 years.packer fans are dealing with an extreme case of cognitive dissonance. the human mind won't allow itself to have opposing thoughts going on at the same time. see, packer fans are frustrated with brett favre. they mentally moved on and that makes sense. so, they are mentally backing rodgers. now, with favre wanting to play, the mental urge to believe in rodgers becomes even stronger b/c rodgers better be very good, otherwise, it's insanity to not want favre.the human mind doesn't want to believe itself to be insane, so it's important to really believe in rodgers and the packers as a whole. make sense?anyway, that's relevant b/c that's the only way i can make sense of the above posting.minnesota:sure, it is a home game for the pack. now, who has the better defense? close, but i'd go with minny. who has the better running game? not close. it's minny. i'll take my chances with a team with a better defense, better running game and a more experienced QB.detroit:the packers should win this game, but certainly wouldn't be crazy if detroit did win.detroit's at home and has found the ability to play pretty well early in the season.i had no idea rodgers somehow is already better jon kitna. (dissonance at work here)detroit's the reason i said maybe 2-5, but the pack could lose this one.tampa:solid defense and a pretty good QB playing at home against an inexperienced QB. very loseable game for the pack.nobody, of course, knows for sure what the GB W-L will be after week 7, but you seem overly confident to me. to me, it seems very possible that they could be 1-6 at that point. 2-5 seems likely and 3-4 seems like a good thing to hope for.most especially, i'm amazed at rodgers becoming better than jon kitna and jeff garcia already. when did that happen?

Not to mention that the unknown impact of this offseason will have on the Packers. Favre's shenanigans, if not cleaned up right away, will certainly have an effect on the players playing these games. This is such a huge distraction I will think it will be weeks before they start to play at their full potential.

 

[jurb26]

most especially, i'm amazed at rodgers becoming better than jon kitna and jeff garcia already. when did that happen?

That is a pretty ludicrous statement. I think GB starts off 3-3 at best. Minn is simply a better team than they were last year and I expect them to give GB a game in GB. TB is a lot better than people (myself included) ever seem to want to give them credit for, especially at home. GB will loose one of those games as well as the games to Dal and Sea.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

I find this all amusing.

Most of us aren't expecting miracles from Aaron Rodgers. He cannot replace a legend. And most of us aren't all that anxious to push Favre out the door. But enough is enough with what he's pulling here. He wants out. Let him out.

However, there is a good talent base in Green Bay, so we have reason to be optimistic.

And in case you missed it, Ted Thompson was Exec of the Year last year. He seems to understand how to evaluate talent and put together a team.

All in all, Green Bay is in a pretty good position with a solid, young core of players.

 

[VTjkru]

You know, two years ago everyone but some Packer fans were calling for a long drought for the Packers organization because Favre was washed up and was no better than than bottom five QBs. Now it's all without Favre the Packers are going to lose all their games except against the Falcons. Give me a break. Is Rogers better than Favre? Probably not but who knows. He can't be outright terrible considering he's been in the same system for the last couple of years. All he has to do is not lose games and the Packers will be fine. They have a strong running game and a stout defense, that will be perfect for a QB who will need some time to get into a rhythm.

The Vikings Def can be as strong as they want but I'm pretty sure Favre didnt have to win any of those games by himself last year. The Vikings only mustered one offensive TD all season against the Packers. All Rogers has to do is not turn it over every position and even if he does...who's to say the Vikings will actually do anything with those positions.

@Detroit? Again, as long as Rogers doesnt throw away the game he can rely on the defense and running game to beat up on a bad Detroit team this year.

Dallas. This will be a tough one, if the Dallas offense hasnt missed a key then Rogers will have to step up his game. It wouldnt surprise me if the Packers lose or win this one.

@ TB. Could go either way but I think the Packers body of work is tremendously better than the Bucs. Again, all Rogers has to do is a play a safe conservative game but by this time he should have the swing of things. If he is struggling to adapt to playing on the road and starting every week this could be a problem, the Bucs will probably be 3 pt favorites on home field alone but this can easily be winnable by the Packers.

Atlanta....win.

@Seattle. I'm sticking with the same theme. As long as the other core components of the Packers play like they did near the end of the season this wont be a game that Rogers will have to win on his shoulders alone. Ryan Grant had no problem with that in the post season.

 

[pollardsvision]

I find this all amusing.Most of us aren't expecting miracles from Aaron Rodgers. He cannot replace a legend. And most of us aren't all that anxious to push Favre out the door. But enough is enough with what he's pulling here. He wants out. Let him out. However, there is a good talent base in Green Bay, so we have reason to be optimistic.And in case you missed it, Ted Thompson was Exec of the Year last year. He seems to understand how to evaluate talent and put together a team.All in all, Green Bay is in a pretty good position with a solid, young core of players.

i'm not knocking the packers and i realize they have a great talent base. they are a solid football team without favre. however, this is the NFL, there are alot of solid footbal teams. they play 5 of them in the 1st 7 weeks.the packers could play decent football and be 2-5.it just seems that in this ordeal, packerfan has forgotten what developing a young QB can be like (it's been a long time for them). you know who else has a great young foundation, but a shaky young QB (one taken 23 picks before rodgers and has more experience)? the 49ers.not knocking the team. love the direction, but it's not a stretch to think that the packers, with a young inexperienced QB, could hit a rough stretch or have a down season. the NFL can be very unkind to young QBs.packerfan seems to be unable to see this possibility. that's all i'm getting at.

 

[jurb26]

Again, all Rogers has to do is a play a safe conservative game...

The fact that you sited this as a key to winning for GB 2 games if very telling to me. This is not something 1st year starters at QB are typically good at. Therefor, I see them loosing at least one of those such games. Furthermore, those 2 games you sited will be against to of the better Ds in the NFL. TB had the #1 ranked pass D and #2 overall D in the NFL last year. Although Minn was not very good against the pass last year indications and most people would acknowledge that the additions they have made this off-season should greatly change that.

 

[pollardsvision]

packerfan reminds me of a 45 year old man, coming out of a messy divorce.

he meets a smoking hot 21 year old. young, pert rack. great body. looks up to him, makes him feel important again. great in the sack. motivates him to refill his viagra prescription. none of that older wife baggage.

now, the thought of this is wonderful and great at 1st. makes us forget about all the problems associated with dating a 21 year old woman. she's out all-night partying with her 21 year old friends. she's immature. you start to feel insecure b/c you're so much older. she's not really ready to settle down.

sometimes, i guess it can work with a much younger woman, but the reality is rarely as good as the fantasy.

it doesn't seem like packerfan seems ready to accept it if rodgers does what most young QBs do. it's still in the fantasy stage right now.

 

[bcr8f]

I thought they would last year but they beat good teams from the year before. No way baby.

I just hope Harrell gets on the field this year. That guy is extremely talented.

 

[jurb26]

I just hope Harrell gets on the field this year. That guy is extremely talented.

I'm a big fan of Harrell.

 

[smackdaddies]

packerfan reminds me of a 45 year old man, coming out of a messy divorce.he meets a smoking hot 21 year old. young, pert rack. great body. looks up to him, makes him feel important again. great in the sack. motivates him to refill his viagra prescription. none of that older wife baggage.now, the thought of this is wonderful and great at 1st. makes us forget about all the problems associated with dating a 21 year old woman. she's out all-night partying with her 21 year old friends. she's immature. you start to feel insecure b/c you're so much older. she's not really ready to settle down. sometimes, i guess it can work with a much younger woman, but the reality is rarely as good as the fantasy.it doesn't seem like packerfan seems ready to accept it if rodgers does what most young QBs do. it's still in the fantasy stage right now.

LMAOThe Packers will win in spite of Rogers. No packer fan thinks he is better than Brett. It's just the rest of the team is so consistently strong. Plus, it's the competition the face (or don't) First six games, its Dallas and Seattle that are good. The rest of the teams, only Tampa made the playoffs (at 9-7), the rest not only didn't make the playoffs last year, they didn't come close. AND THEY DIDNT GET ANY BETTER.So if those other four teams all sucked last year, and didn't get any better (and some worse), just why should we expect the Pack to lose this year to them?

 

[bcr8f]

Great teams are always hated. I agree with 4-2 or 5-1, but will be interesting if Tampa gets Favre.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I find this all amusing.Most of us aren't expecting miracles from Aaron Rodgers. He cannot replace a legend. And most of us aren't all that anxious to push Favre out the door. But enough is enough with what he's pulling here. He wants out. Let him out. However, there is a good talent base in Green Bay, so we have reason to be optimistic.And in case you missed it, Ted Thompson was Exec of the Year last year. He seems to understand how to evaluate talent and put together a team.All in all, Green Bay is in a pretty good position with a solid, young core of players.

i'm not knocking the packers and i realize they have a great talent base. they are a solid football team without favre. however, this is the NFL, there are alot of solid footbal teams. they play 5 of them in the 1st 7 weeks.the packers could play decent football and be 2-5.it just seems that in this ordeal, packerfan has forgotten what developing a young QB can be like (it's been a long time for them). you know who else has a great young foundation, but a shaky young QB (one taken 23 picks before rodgers and has more experience)? the 49ers.not knocking the team. love the direction, but it's not a stretch to think that the packers, with a young inexperienced QB, could hit a rough stretch or have a down season. the NFL can be very unkind to young QBs.packerfan seems to be unable to see this possibility. that's all i'm getting at.

You're fishing Jim Rome. Don't play both sides of the fence saying you love the direction they're going in and then say they can start off 1-6. Sure they can, so can every team in the NFL but it's not likely.If you want, I'll bet you whatever you want that they won't if you really think they'll start off that poorly.

 

[pollardsvision]

btw, i'm not meaning to knock packer fans.

spent some wonderful times in the great state of wisconsin. you won't meet better people than wisconsin folk. friendly, trusting, no cynicism, supportive, love beer, who doesn't love brats. i've always said wisconsin people are the best this country has to offer. the rise of the california mega-dairy factory and it's consequences on the family dairy farm in WI saddens me.

i also think the qualities i've noticed in WI folk are leading to this. packer fan is more patient and more optimistic than most fans, imo. they support and believe in their guys.

the favre situation seems like it would be the hardest for packer fans. the situation will get ugly and messy. i doubt packer fans like ugly and messy. they like happy family. more motivation for this situation to go away and to support aaron.

anyway, just interested in what a 2-5 start would do to packer fan's pysche. shouldn't be a problem, i guess. that's what rebuilding is like some times.

i guess i underestimated the one thing that's stronger than packer fan's patience: their optimism.

 

[pollardsvision]

I find this all amusing.Most of us aren't expecting miracles from Aaron Rodgers. He cannot replace a legend. And most of us aren't all that anxious to push Favre out the door. But enough is enough with what he's pulling here. He wants out. Let him out. However, there is a good talent base in Green Bay, so we have reason to be optimistic.And in case you missed it, Ted Thompson was Exec of the Year last year. He seems to understand how to evaluate talent and put together a team.All in all, Green Bay is in a pretty good position with a solid, young core of players.

i'm not knocking the packers and i realize they have a great talent base. they are a solid football team without favre. however, this is the NFL, there are alot of solid footbal teams. they play 5 of them in the 1st 7 weeks.the packers could play decent football and be 2-5.it just seems that in this ordeal, packerfan has forgotten what developing a young QB can be like (it's been a long time for them). you know who else has a great young foundation, but a shaky young QB (one taken 23 picks before rodgers and has more experience)? the 49ers.not knocking the team. love the direction, but it's not a stretch to think that the packers, with a young inexperienced QB, could hit a rough stretch or have a down season. the NFL can be very unkind to young QBs.packerfan seems to be unable to see this possibility. that's all i'm getting at.

You're fishing Jim Rome. Don't play both sides of the fence saying you love the direction they're going in and then say they can start off 1-6. Sure they can, so can every team in the NFL but it's not likely.If you want, I'll bet you whatever you want that they won't if you really think they'll start off that poorly.

i'm not sure exactly what fishing is and i apologize for using the term "packer fan" so much. it does sound too rome-ish.i'm not playing both sides of the fence. i fully believe that it's possible that a good young team, with an inexperienced QB, to start 2-5 with that schedule (with a shot at 1-6). GB fans obviously don't see this as a possiblity. that sounds polyanna-ish to me, that's all.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

btw, i'm not meaning to knock packer fans.spent some wonderful times in the great state of wisconsin. you won't meet better people than wisconsin folk. friendly, trusting, no cynicism, supportive, love beer, who doesn't love brats. i've always said wisconsin people are the best this country has to offer. the rise of the california mega-dairy factory and it's consequences on the family dairy farm in WI saddens me.i also think the qualities i've noticed in WI folk are leading to this. packer fan is more patient and more optimistic than most fans, imo. they support and believe in their guys.the favre situation seems like it would be the hardest for packer fans. the situation will get ugly and messy. i doubt packer fans like ugly and messy. they like happy family. more motivation for this situation to go away and to support aaron.anyway, just interested in what a 2-5 start would do to packer fan's pysche. shouldn't be a problem, i guess. that's what rebuilding is like some times.i guess i underestimated the one thing that's stronger than packer fan's patience: their optimism.

 

[Balco]

I am very happy where the Packers are right now from a talent and salary cap standpoint. The Pack have built depth at many positions, and have been built to be strong not just this year, but for the forseeable future as well. If we start 1-6, it certainly will not solely be on the qb's shoulders.

The Favre era is over, he provided so many great moments for us. But when he announced his retirement, the Packers moved on, and made plans (i.e. draft picks) accordingly.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I find this all amusing.Most of us aren't expecting miracles from Aaron Rodgers. He cannot replace a legend. And most of us aren't all that anxious to push Favre out the door. But enough is enough with what he's pulling here. He wants out. Let him out. However, there is a good talent base in Green Bay, so we have reason to be optimistic.And in case you missed it, Ted Thompson was Exec of the Year last year. He seems to understand how to evaluate talent and put together a team.All in all, Green Bay is in a pretty good position with a solid, young core of players.

i'm not knocking the packers and i realize they have a great talent base. they are a solid football team without favre. however, this is the NFL, there are alot of solid footbal teams. they play 5 of them in the 1st 7 weeks.the packers could play decent football and be 2-5.it just seems that in this ordeal, packerfan has forgotten what developing a young QB can be like (it's been a long time for them). you know who else has a great young foundation, but a shaky young QB (one taken 23 picks before rodgers and has more experience)? the 49ers.not knocking the team. love the direction, but it's not a stretch to think that the packers, with a young inexperienced QB, could hit a rough stretch or have a down season. the NFL can be very unkind to young QBs.packerfan seems to be unable to see this possibility. that's all i'm getting at.

You're fishing Jim Rome. Don't play both sides of the fence saying you love the direction they're going in and then say they can start off 1-6. Sure they can, so can every team in the NFL but it's not likely.If you want, I'll bet you whatever you want that they won't if you really think they'll start off that poorly.

i'm not sure exactly what fishing is and i apologize for using the term "packer fan" so much. it does sound too rome-ish.i'm not playing both sides of the fence. i fully believe that it's possible that a good young team, with an inexperienced QB, to start 2-5 with that schedule (with a shot at 1-6). GB fans obviously don't see this as a possiblity. that sounds polyanna-ish to me, that's all.

fishing means you're trying to create a scenario to get a rise out of a certain group with that intention. Sure it's possible they start off as poorly as you say, it's just not likely. The Patriots could start off that poorly too, but it's not likely. It's more likely they start off well, the Qb gets dinged and then they wished they would have signed Farve and he's playing in Minnesota.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I am very happy where the Packers are right now from a talent and salary cap standpoint. The Pack have built depth at many positions, and have been built to be strong not just this year, but for the forseeable future as well. If we start 1-6, it certainly will not solely be on the qb's shoulders. The Favre era is over, he provided so many great moments for us. But when he announced his retirement, the Packers moved on, and made plans (i.e. draft picks) accordingly.

I believe everything you're saying except for the fact it won't be solely on the Qb's shoulders. If they start off 1-6 after the year Farve retires, after they reject him from coming back to the team, you better believe it'll fall on his shoulders.There's no reason the Packers should start off 1-6 unless the QB can't play.

 

[pollardsvision]

I find this all amusing.Most of us aren't expecting miracles from Aaron Rodgers. He cannot replace a legend. And most of us aren't all that anxious to push Favre out the door. But enough is enough with what he's pulling here. He wants out. Let him out. However, there is a good talent base in Green Bay, so we have reason to be optimistic.And in case you missed it, Ted Thompson was Exec of the Year last year. He seems to understand how to evaluate talent and put together a team.All in all, Green Bay is in a pretty good position with a solid, young core of players.

i'm not knocking the packers and i realize they have a great talent base. they are a solid football team without favre. however, this is the NFL, there are alot of solid footbal teams. they play 5 of them in the 1st 7 weeks.the packers could play decent football and be 2-5.it just seems that in this ordeal, packerfan has forgotten what developing a young QB can be like (it's been a long time for them). you know who else has a great young foundation, but a shaky young QB (one taken 23 picks before rodgers and has more experience)? the 49ers.not knocking the team. love the direction, but it's not a stretch to think that the packers, with a young inexperienced QB, could hit a rough stretch or have a down season. the NFL can be very unkind to young QBs.packerfan seems to be unable to see this possibility. that's all i'm getting at.

You're fishing Jim Rome. Don't play both sides of the fence saying you love the direction they're going in and then say they can start off 1-6. Sure they can, so can every team in the NFL but it's not likely.If you want, I'll bet you whatever you want that they won't if you really think they'll start off that poorly.

i'm not sure exactly what fishing is and i apologize for using the term "packer fan" so much. it does sound too rome-ish.i'm not playing both sides of the fence. i fully believe that it's possible that a good young team, with an inexperienced QB, to start 2-5 with that schedule (with a shot at 1-6). GB fans obviously don't see this as a possiblity. that sounds polyanna-ish to me, that's all.

fishing means you're trying to create a scenario to get a rise out of a certain group with that intention. Sure it's possible they start off as poorly as you say, it's just not likely. The Patriots could start off that poorly too, but it's not likely. It's more likely they start off well, the Qb gets dinged and then they wished they would have signed Farve and he's playing in Minnesota.

oh, then i guess i'm unintentionally fishing, if that's possible. i'd never considered that so many people would see this as an unlikely scenario. i could tell that fans weren't thinking about this scenario, but had no idea they felt it was such a completely ridiculous notion.i'm trying to get a handle on this myself, so i find myself on here generalizing and trying to psycho-analyzing the entire state of wisconsin to make sense of this for myself. i guess that could look like fishing, but i do believe everything i've typed by the way.(about the wisconsin stuff, i do hate to generalize. i'm sure there are plenty of cynical #######s in wisconsin. i just never met many)

 

[The Kerminator]

packerfan seems pretty fired up about the aaron rodgers era right now. looking at their schedule going into the bye, ATL seems like the only likely win (assuming rodgers is the QB).the minny D will likely bust rodgers up on the MNF openerthe pack could win at detroit, but rodgers will be the 2nd best QB in a road game. detroit can be a worthy opponent early in the season at home.they ain't beating dallasthey ain't beating TB on the roadshould beat ATLnot beating seattle or indyso, 1-6, or maybe 2-5, seems likely to me.if/when that happens, i'm very eager to hear the reaction of cheesehead nation.as it stands now, aaron rodgers has apparently morphed into steve young over the last 4 months. (and/or mccarthy has morphed into bill walsh).rebuilding is usually something teams do when contending isn't an option. i've never seen a fan base so fired up about it.

You could make the same argument for the 1-6 start if Favre were at QBMinny at home-Favre has always struggled against Minnesota, home or away. Several years ago when they rededicated Lambeau Field the Pack opened with Minnesota. The home opener, rededication of Lambeau and the Pack got killed.@ Detroit - Favre has always struggled in domes and Detroit is always tough at homeDallas-One of the worst games last year for Favre was against Dallas. And as for your argument that Minnesota will likely bust Rodgers, remember what happened to Favre last year against Dallas@ TB-this game could go either way, REGARDLESS of who's at QBShould beat Atlanta-agreedSeattle and Indy are both tough games, but they are just as tough with Favre at the helm.If the Pack starts 1-6 (and I hardly see that coming) it will not be because of Rodgers, rather than a tough opening schedule.

 

[Balco]

I am very happy where the Packers are right now from a talent and salary cap standpoint. The Pack have built depth at many positions, and have been built to be strong not just this year, but for the forseeable future as well. If we start 1-6, it certainly will not solely be on the qb's shoulders. The Favre era is over, he provided so many great moments for us. But when he announced his retirement, the Packers moved on, and made plans (i.e. draft picks) accordingly.

I believe everything you're saying except for the fact it won't be solely on the Qb's shoulders. If they start off 1-6 after the year Farve retires, after they reject him from coming back to the team, you better believe it'll fall on his shoulders.There's no reason the Packers should start off 1-6 unless the QB can't play.

Just to be clear, you are stating that it is an absolute certainty if the Packers start 1-6 it will be because of Aaron Rodgers poor play? Lets say, for arguments sake, they start the year 0-7, and Rodgers has a passer rating of 120. Still Rodger's fault?

 

[twistd]

I find this all amusing.Most of us aren't expecting miracles from Aaron Rodgers. He cannot replace a legend. And most of us aren't all that anxious to push Favre out the door. But enough is enough with what he's pulling here. He wants out. Let him out. However, there is a good talent base in Green Bay, so we have reason to be optimistic.And in case you missed it, Ted Thompson was Exec of the Year last year. He seems to understand how to evaluate talent and put together a team.All in all, Green Bay is in a pretty good position with a solid, young core of players.

i'm not knocking the packers and i realize they have a great talent base. they are a solid football team without favre. however, this is the NFL, there are alot of solid footbal teams. they play 5 of them in the 1st 7 weeks.the packers could play decent football and be 2-5.it just seems that in this ordeal, packerfan has forgotten what developing a young QB can be like (it's been a long time for them). you know who else has a great young foundation, but a shaky young QB (one taken 23 picks before rodgers and has more experience)? the 49ers.not knocking the team. love the direction, but it's not a stretch to think that the packers, with a young inexperienced QB, could hit a rough stretch or have a down season. the NFL can be very unkind to young QBs.packerfan seems to be unable to see this possibility. that's all i'm getting at.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I find this all amusing.Most of us aren't expecting miracles from Aaron Rodgers. He cannot replace a legend. And most of us aren't all that anxious to push Favre out the door. But enough is enough with what he's pulling here. He wants out. Let him out. However, there is a good talent base in Green Bay, so we have reason to be optimistic.And in case you missed it, Ted Thompson was Exec of the Year last year. He seems to understand how to evaluate talent and put together a team.All in all, Green Bay is in a pretty good position with a solid, young core of players.

i'm not knocking the packers and i realize they have a great talent base. they are a solid football team without favre. however, this is the NFL, there are alot of solid footbal teams. they play 5 of them in the 1st 7 weeks.the packers could play decent football and be 2-5.it just seems that in this ordeal, packerfan has forgotten what developing a young QB can be like (it's been a long time for them). you know who else has a great young foundation, but a shaky young QB (one taken 23 picks before rodgers and has more experience)? the 49ers.not knocking the team. love the direction, but it's not a stretch to think that the packers, with a young inexperienced QB, could hit a rough stretch or have a down season. the NFL can be very unkind to young QBs.packerfan seems to be unable to see this possibility. that's all i'm getting at.

You're fishing Jim Rome. Don't play both sides of the fence saying you love the direction they're going in and then say they can start off 1-6. Sure they can, so can every team in the NFL but it's not likely.If you want, I'll bet you whatever you want that they won't if you really think they'll start off that poorly.

i'm not sure exactly what fishing is and i apologize for using the term "packer fan" so much. it does sound too rome-ish.i'm not playing both sides of the fence. i fully believe that it's possible that a good young team, with an inexperienced QB, to start 2-5 with that schedule (with a shot at 1-6). GB fans obviously don't see this as a possiblity. that sounds polyanna-ish to me, that's all.

fishing means you're trying to create a scenario to get a rise out of a certain group with that intention. Sure it's possible they start off as poorly as you say, it's just not likely. The Patriots could start off that poorly too, but it's not likely. It's more likely they start off well, the Qb gets dinged and then they wished they would have signed Farve and he's playing in Minnesota.

oh, then i guess i'm unintentionally fishing, if that's possible. i'd never considered that so many people would see this as an unlikely scenario. i could tell that fans weren't thinking about this scenario, but had no idea they felt it was such a completely ridiculous notion.i'm trying to get a handle on this myself, so i find myself on here generalizing and trying to psycho-analyzing the entire state of wisconsin to make sense of this for myself. i guess that could look like fishing, but i do believe everything i've typed by the way.(about the wisconsin stuff, i do hate to generalize. i'm sure there are plenty of cynical #######s in wisconsin. i just never met many)

You're trying to get a handle on what exactly, the scenario that you created in your head? I can say the Packers are going to start off 7-0 and say I'm trying to get a handle on that too.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I am very happy where the Packers are right now from a talent and salary cap standpoint. The Pack have built depth at many positions, and have been built to be strong not just this year, but for the forseeable future as well. If we start 1-6, it certainly will not solely be on the qb's shoulders. The Favre era is over, he provided so many great moments for us. But when he announced his retirement, the Packers moved on, and made plans (i.e. draft picks) accordingly.

I believe everything you're saying except for the fact it won't be solely on the Qb's shoulders. If they start off 1-6 after the year Farve retires, after they reject him from coming back to the team, you better believe it'll fall on his shoulders.There's no reason the Packers should start off 1-6 unless the QB can't play.

Just to be clear, you are stating that it is an absolute certainty if the Packers start 1-6 it will be because of Aaron Rodgers poor play? Lets say, for arguments sake, they start the year 0-7, and Rodgers has a passer rating of 120. Still Rodger's fault?

No, I'm saying that if Rodgers has a passer rating of 120 after 7 games, it is impossible for them to be 0-7. They are too talented to be 0-7 if their Qb is playing great.

 

[pollardsvision]

packerfan seems pretty fired up about the aaron rodgers era right now. looking at their schedule going into the bye, ATL seems like the only likely win (assuming rodgers is the QB).the minny D will likely bust rodgers up on the MNF openerthe pack could win at detroit, but rodgers will be the 2nd best QB in a road game. detroit can be a worthy opponent early in the season at home.they ain't beating dallasthey ain't beating TB on the roadshould beat ATLnot beating seattle or indyso, 1-6, or maybe 2-5, seems likely to me.if/when that happens, i'm very eager to hear the reaction of cheesehead nation.as it stands now, aaron rodgers has apparently morphed into steve young over the last 4 months. (and/or mccarthy has morphed into bill walsh).rebuilding is usually something teams do when contending isn't an option. i've never seen a fan base so fired up about it.

You could make the same argument for the 1-6 start if Favre were at QBMinny at home-Favre has always struggled against Minnesota, home or away. Several years ago when they rededicated Lambeau Field the Pack opened with Minnesota. The home opener, rededication of Lambeau and the Pack got killed.@ Detroit - Favre has always struggled in domes and Detroit is always tough at homeDallas-One of the worst games last year for Favre was against Dallas. And as for your argument that Minnesota will likely bust Rodgers, remember what happened to Favre last year against Dallas@ TB-this game could go either way, REGARDLESS of who's at QBShould beat Atlanta-agreedSeattle and Indy are both tough games, but they are just as tough with Favre at the helm.If the Pack starts 1-6 (and I hardly see that coming) it will not be because of Rodgers, rather than a tough opening schedule.

i can't argue with you here. that's just a tough schedule. they could lose 6 of those games with either guy.i do think rodgers makes it more likely. to me, you simply can't count on wins against good teams in the nfl when you have an young, inexperienced QB. 5 of those are good teams.if it is rodgers and something like that does happen, whether it's rodgers fault or not, i'm just curious how sentiments will change. if rodgers goes 1-6 or 2-5, i doubt it'll matter that favre could've too. nobody would know that. as we're seeing, what the "other" guy can do is generally assumed to be a positive thing.it seems like fans are excited to begin a new era at QB, but aren't fully prepared for how that might really go. at this point, it doesn't seem like many will even entertain the possiblity.

 

[VTjkru]

packerfan seems pretty fired up about the aaron rodgers era right now. looking at their schedule going into the bye, ATL seems like the only likely win (assuming rodgers is the QB).the minny D will likely bust rodgers up on the MNF openerthe pack could win at detroit, but rodgers will be the 2nd best QB in a road game. detroit can be a worthy opponent early in the season at home.they ain't beating dallasthey ain't beating TB on the roadshould beat ATLnot beating seattle or indyso, 1-6, or maybe 2-5, seems likely to me.if/when that happens, i'm very eager to hear the reaction of cheesehead nation.as it stands now, aaron rodgers has apparently morphed into steve young over the last 4 months. (and/or mccarthy has morphed into bill walsh).rebuilding is usually something teams do when contending isn't an option. i've never seen a fan base so fired up about it.

You could make the same argument for the 1-6 start if Favre were at QBMinny at home-Favre has always struggled against Minnesota, home or away. Several years ago when they rededicated Lambeau Field the Pack opened with Minnesota. The home opener, rededication of Lambeau and the Pack got killed.@ Detroit - Favre has always struggled in domes and Detroit is always tough at homeDallas-One of the worst games last year for Favre was against Dallas. And as for your argument that Minnesota will likely bust Rodgers, remember what happened to Favre last year against Dallas@ TB-this game could go either way, REGARDLESS of who's at QBShould beat Atlanta-agreedSeattle and Indy are both tough games, but they are just as tough with Favre at the helm.If the Pack starts 1-6 (and I hardly see that coming) it will not be because of Rodgers, rather than a tough opening schedule.

Exactly, why is that Rogers will win these games and Favre wont? I dont get it. Two and three years ago we would be talking about what would happen if Favre loses all these games. Now all of a sudden that it's not Favre it's still the same questions? The Steelers seemed to do well with Big Ben having safe to mediocre numbers during his first season and Super Bowl run. You guys really doubting that Rogers can throw 2,400 yds, 17 TDs, and 10 ints?

 

[pollardsvision]

I find this all amusing.Most of us aren't expecting miracles from Aaron Rodgers. He cannot replace a legend. And most of us aren't all that anxious to push Favre out the door. But enough is enough with what he's pulling here. He wants out. Let him out. However, there is a good talent base in Green Bay, so we have reason to be optimistic.And in case you missed it, Ted Thompson was Exec of the Year last year. He seems to understand how to evaluate talent and put together a team.All in all, Green Bay is in a pretty good position with a solid, young core of players.

i'm not knocking the packers and i realize they have a great talent base. they are a solid football team without favre. however, this is the NFL, there are alot of solid footbal teams. they play 5 of them in the 1st 7 weeks.the packers could play decent football and be 2-5.it just seems that in this ordeal, packerfan has forgotten what developing a young QB can be like (it's been a long time for them). you know who else has a great young foundation, but a shaky young QB (one taken 23 picks before rodgers and has more experience)? the 49ers.not knocking the team. love the direction, but it's not a stretch to think that the packers, with a young inexperienced QB, could hit a rough stretch or have a down season. the NFL can be very unkind to young QBs.packerfan seems to be unable to see this possibility. that's all i'm getting at.

You're fishing Jim Rome. Don't play both sides of the fence saying you love the direction they're going in and then say they can start off 1-6. Sure they can, so can every team in the NFL but it's not likely.If you want, I'll bet you whatever you want that they won't if you really think they'll start off that poorly.

i'm not sure exactly what fishing is and i apologize for using the term "packer fan" so much. it does sound too rome-ish.i'm not playing both sides of the fence. i fully believe that it's possible that a good young team, with an inexperienced QB, to start 2-5 with that schedule (with a shot at 1-6). GB fans obviously don't see this as a possiblity. that sounds polyanna-ish to me, that's all.

fishing means you're trying to create a scenario to get a rise out of a certain group with that intention. Sure it's possible they start off as poorly as you say, it's just not likely. The Patriots could start off that poorly too, but it's not likely. It's more likely they start off well, the Qb gets dinged and then they wished they would have signed Farve and he's playing in Minnesota.

oh, then i guess i'm unintentionally fishing, if that's possible. i'd never considered that so many people would see this as an unlikely scenario. i could tell that fans weren't thinking about this scenario, but had no idea they felt it was such a completely ridiculous notion.i'm trying to get a handle on this myself, so i find myself on here generalizing and trying to psycho-analyzing the entire state of wisconsin to make sense of this for myself. i guess that could look like fishing, but i do believe everything i've typed by the way.(about the wisconsin stuff, i do hate to generalize. i'm sure there are plenty of cynical #######s in wisconsin. i just never met many)

You're trying to get a handle on what exactly, the scenario that you created in your head? I can say the Packers are going to start off 7-0 and say I'm trying to get a handle on that too.

good question.when i started this thread, i expected to responses like "well, i think we could do better than that, but with an inexperienced QB, that could happen. those are 5 good teams and a 6th (detroit) that we'll play on the road that has a better QB. if that does happen, we'll ride it out b/c we are committed to aaron rodgers"i know, looking back i was an idiot to think that. i'm trying to get a handle on why i was so foolish to think i'd get responses like that.i don't think theyll start 1-6. i think they'll start 2-5 with a chance to lose a 6th.

 

[bcr8f]

Exactly, why is that Rogers will win these games and Favre wont? I dont get it. Two and three years ago we would be talking about what would happen if Favre loses all these games. Now all of a sudden that it's not Favre it's still the same questions? The Steelers seemed to do well with Big Ben having safe to mediocre numbers during his first season and Super Bowl run. You guys really doubting that Rogers can throw 2,400 yds, 17 TDs, and 10 ints?

Big Ben still has very conservative numbers. 25 attempts a game last season.

 

[bcr8f]

i don't think theyll start 1-6. i think they'll start 2-5 with a chance to lose a 6th.

You need to get your thinker tuned up then. It isn't working very well.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I find this all amusing.Most of us aren't expecting miracles from Aaron Rodgers. He cannot replace a legend. And most of us aren't all that anxious to push Favre out the door. But enough is enough with what he's pulling here. He wants out. Let him out. However, there is a good talent base in Green Bay, so we have reason to be optimistic.And in case you missed it, Ted Thompson was Exec of the Year last year. He seems to understand how to evaluate talent and put together a team.All in all, Green Bay is in a pretty good position with a solid, young core of players.

i'm not knocking the packers and i realize they have a great talent base. they are a solid football team without favre. however, this is the NFL, there are alot of solid footbal teams. they play 5 of them in the 1st 7 weeks.the packers could play decent football and be 2-5.it just seems that in this ordeal, packerfan has forgotten what developing a young QB can be like (it's been a long time for them). you know who else has a great young foundation, but a shaky young QB (one taken 23 picks before rodgers and has more experience)? the 49ers.not knocking the team. love the direction, but it's not a stretch to think that the packers, with a young inexperienced QB, could hit a rough stretch or have a down season. the NFL can be very unkind to young QBs.packerfan seems to be unable to see this possibility. that's all i'm getting at.

You're fishing Jim Rome. Don't play both sides of the fence saying you love the direction they're going in and then say they can start off 1-6. Sure they can, so can every team in the NFL but it's not likely.If you want, I'll bet you whatever you want that they won't if you really think they'll start off that poorly.

i'm not sure exactly what fishing is and i apologize for using the term "packer fan" so much. it does sound too rome-ish.i'm not playing both sides of the fence. i fully believe that it's possible that a good young team, with an inexperienced QB, to start 2-5 with that schedule (with a shot at 1-6). GB fans obviously don't see this as a possiblity. that sounds polyanna-ish to me, that's all.

fishing means you're trying to create a scenario to get a rise out of a certain group with that intention. Sure it's possible they start off as poorly as you say, it's just not likely. The Patriots could start off that poorly too, but it's not likely. It's more likely they start off well, the Qb gets dinged and then they wished they would have signed Farve and he's playing in Minnesota.

oh, then i guess i'm unintentionally fishing, if that's possible. i'd never considered that so many people would see this as an unlikely scenario. i could tell that fans weren't thinking about this scenario, but had no idea they felt it was such a completely ridiculous notion.i'm trying to get a handle on this myself, so i find myself on here generalizing and trying to psycho-analyzing the entire state of wisconsin to make sense of this for myself. i guess that could look like fishing, but i do believe everything i've typed by the way.(about the wisconsin stuff, i do hate to generalize. i'm sure there are plenty of cynical #######s in wisconsin. i just never met many)

You're trying to get a handle on what exactly, the scenario that you created in your head? I can say the Packers are going to start off 7-0 and say I'm trying to get a handle on that too.

good question.when i started this thread, i expected to responses like "well, i think we could do better than that, but with an inexperienced QB, that could happen. those are 5 good teams and a 6th (detroit) that we'll play on the road that has a better QB. if that does happen, we'll ride it out b/c we are committed to aaron rodgers"i know, looking back i was an idiot to think that. i'm trying to get a handle on why i was so foolish to think i'd get responses like that.i don't think theyll start 1-6. i think they'll start 2-5 with a chance to lose a 6th.

Why would you say Kitna is better that Rodgers? Kitna is a career backup who got a starting job on one of the worst franchises in the SB era. If you read between the lines, the very idea of Green Bay not wanting Farve back tells me just what they believe they have in Rodgers. If they were worried about if he was any good, they'd grab Farve back in a minute.

 

[pollardsvision]

I find this all amusing.

Most of us aren't expecting miracles from Aaron Rodgers. He cannot replace a legend. And most of us aren't all that anxious to push Favre out the door. But enough is enough with what he's pulling here. He wants out. Let him out.

However, there is a good talent base in Green Bay, so we have reason to be optimistic.

And in case you missed it, Ted Thompson was Exec of the Year last year. He seems to understand how to evaluate talent and put together a team.

All in all, Green Bay is in a pretty good position with a solid, young core of players.

i'm not knocking the packers and i realize they have a great talent base. they are a solid football team without favre. however, this is the NFL, there are alot of solid footbal teams. they play 5 of them in the 1st 7 weeks.the packers could play decent football and be 2-5.

it just seems that in this ordeal, packerfan has forgotten what developing a young QB can be like (it's been a long time for them). you know who else has a great young foundation, but a shaky young QB (one taken 23 picks before rodgers and has more experience)? the 49ers.

not knocking the team. love the direction, but it's not a stretch to think that the packers, with a young inexperienced QB, could hit a rough stretch or have a down season. the NFL can be very unkind to young QBs.

packerfan seems to be unable to see this possibility. that's all i'm getting at.

You're fishing Jim Rome. Don't play both sides of the fence saying you love the direction they're going in and then say they can start off 1-6. Sure they can, so can every team in the NFL but it's not likely.If you want, I'll bet you whatever you want that they won't if you really think they'll start off that poorly.

i'm not sure exactly what fishing is and i apologize for using the term "packer fan" so much. it does sound too rome-ish.i'm not playing both sides of the fence. i fully believe that it's possible that a good young team, with an inexperienced QB, to start 2-5 with that schedule (with a shot at 1-6). GB fans obviously don't see this as a possiblity. that sounds polyanna-ish to me, that's all.

fishing means you're trying to create a scenario to get a rise out of a certain group with that intention. Sure it's possible they start off as poorly as you say, it's just not likely. The Patriots could start off that poorly too, but it's not likely. It's more likely they start off well, the Qb gets dinged and then they wished they would have signed Farve and he's playing in Minnesota.

oh, then i guess i'm unintentionally fishing, if that's possible. i'd never considered that so many people would see this as an unlikely scenario. i could tell that fans weren't thinking about this scenario, but had no idea they felt it was such a completely ridiculous notion.i'm trying to get a handle on this myself, so i find myself on here generalizing and trying to psycho-analyzing the entire state of wisconsin to make sense of this for myself.

i guess that could look like fishing, but i do believe everything i've typed by the way.

(about the wisconsin stuff, i do hate to generalize. i'm sure there are plenty of cynical #######s in wisconsin. i just never met many)

You're trying to get a handle on what exactly, the scenario that you created in your head? I can say the Packers are going to start off 7-0 and say I'm trying to get a handle on that too.

good question.when i started this thread, i expected to responses like "well, i think we could do better than that, but with an inexperienced QB, that could happen. those are 5 good teams and a 6th (detroit) that we'll play on the road that has a better QB. if that does happen, we'll ride it out b/c we are committed to aaron rodgers"

i know, looking back i was an idiot to think that. i'm trying to get a handle on why i was so foolish to think i'd get responses like that.

i don't think theyll start 1-6. i think they'll start 2-5 with a chance to lose a 6th.

Why would you say Kitna is better that Rodgers? Kitna is a career backup who got a starting job on one of the worst franchises in the SB era. If you read between the lines, the very idea of Green Bay not wanting Farve back tells me just what they believe they have in Rodgers. If they were worried about if he was any good, they'd grab Farve back in a minute.

i guess i thought that was a fairly safe assumption. rodgers has played in 3/4ths of an NFL game. kitna has played in 120+ NFL games. he's not a perennial pro-bowler or anything, but he's put up some good seasons when given a chance. he's thrown for alot of yardage at times and has thrown alot of picks. of course, both of those things can be attributed to playing for poor teams and playing from behind. he has completed over 60% of his passes over the past 2 years when teams generally knew he was going to throwing the whole time.that doesn't really matter, though. kitna has demonstrated that he can be a serviceable NFL QB and can run an NFL offense. rodgers hasn't.

then again, i don't know what's real anymore.

 

[datonn]

packerfan reminds me of a 45 year old man, coming out of a messy divorce.

It's not THAT different than what any other fan base in any other city does, other than Favre has been around and getting it done for much longer than most. Like with my Vikings. We had a couple of seasons where Culpepper absolutely TORE IT UP! Then he started slumping...badly. Then came that ugly injury against the Panthers which robbed him of a season and his mobility. Then he and Childress couldn't co-exist. Then came Brad Johnson and T-Jax.1. You back your guy until he just can't get it done and/or says he wants out. AKA that "comfortable sweatshirt," but eventually over several months or a few years, you start looking at "greener pastures" after "she" keeps hinting or threatening to leave.2. You'll rally behind anyone with the radio communications in their helmet...still pissed off about former starter betraying you or letting you down. AKA new/transitional girlfriend.3. New starter struggles, and you start thinking about your former girlfriend again...the good times, and how the bad times weren't so bad, etc.4. You feel like crap about it, but eventually you meet the new girl of your dreams who gets you back on track.Packer fans have been dealing with "#1" for the past two off-seasons. After marriage counseling, their schmoopie decided to give the relationship another chance last Summer. Hooray! However, "she" decided that her heart wasn't in it again in March...and a lot of fans said "Fine....#### you, I'll go out and get me a NEW girlfriend who is younger and hotter than you!" That's where Packer fans are right now....step "#2." Rodgers hasn't had time yet for them to hit "#3," but once he inevitably does (as almost ALL QBs do), Packer fans will be pining for the days of Brett Favre behind center. They just can't see it yet...because they've had the same schmoopie and a great, fun relationship for the past 16 years...and that hot, younger new "girlfriend" is exciting and different. Their former "she" said her heart wasn't in it anymore. THEN "she" later said she wants a NEW schmoopie (not just going into a convent and swearing off men forever after being with "the best she could possibly have." Favre NOT checking into a "convent" is what is SO hurtful to fans though, in this case, since Favre WAS at the dead-center of the Green Bay Packers and what all their fans rallied behind for SO many years. Just think: there are kids out there who are driving cars who weren't even born yet when Favre started on with the team!Sucks, but you can't get better/healthy in the end until you've passed through denial, acceptance, anger and sadness/grief.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I find this all amusing.

Most of us aren't expecting miracles from Aaron Rodgers. He cannot replace a legend. And most of us aren't all that anxious to push Favre out the door. But enough is enough with what he's pulling here. He wants out. Let him out.

However, there is a good talent base in Green Bay, so we have reason to be optimistic.

And in case you missed it, Ted Thompson was Exec of the Year last year. He seems to understand how to evaluate talent and put together a team.

All in all, Green Bay is in a pretty good position with a solid, young core of players.

i'm not knocking the packers and i realize they have a great talent base. they are a solid football team without favre. however, this is the NFL, there are alot of solid footbal teams. they play 5 of them in the 1st 7 weeks.the packers could play decent football and be 2-5.

it just seems that in this ordeal, packerfan has forgotten what developing a young QB can be like (it's been a long time for them). you know who else has a great young foundation, but a shaky young QB (one taken 23 picks before rodgers and has more experience)? the 49ers.

not knocking the team. love the direction, but it's not a stretch to think that the packers, with a young inexperienced QB, could hit a rough stretch or have a down season. the NFL can be very unkind to young QBs.

packerfan seems to be unable to see this possibility. that's all i'm getting at.

You're fishing Jim Rome. Don't play both sides of the fence saying you love the direction they're going in and then say they can start off 1-6. Sure they can, so can every team in the NFL but it's not likely.If you want, I'll bet you whatever you want that they won't if you really think they'll start off that poorly.

i'm not sure exactly what fishing is and i apologize for using the term "packer fan" so much. it does sound too rome-ish.i'm not playing both sides of the fence. i fully believe that it's possible that a good young team, with an inexperienced QB, to start 2-5 with that schedule (with a shot at 1-6). GB fans obviously don't see this as a possiblity. that sounds polyanna-ish to me, that's all.

fishing means you're trying to create a scenario to get a rise out of a certain group with that intention. Sure it's possible they start off as poorly as you say, it's just not likely. The Patriots could start off that poorly too, but it's not likely. It's more likely they start off well, the Qb gets dinged and then they wished they would have signed Farve and he's playing in Minnesota.

oh, then i guess i'm unintentionally fishing, if that's possible. i'd never considered that so many people would see this as an unlikely scenario. i could tell that fans weren't thinking about this scenario, but had no idea they felt it was such a completely ridiculous notion.i'm trying to get a handle on this myself, so i find myself on here generalizing and trying to psycho-analyzing the entire state of wisconsin to make sense of this for myself.

i guess that could look like fishing, but i do believe everything i've typed by the way.

(about the wisconsin stuff, i do hate to generalize. i'm sure there are plenty of cynical #######s in wisconsin. i just never met many)

You're trying to get a handle on what exactly, the scenario that you created in your head? I can say the Packers are going to start off 7-0 and say I'm trying to get a handle on that too.

good question.when i started this thread, i expected to responses like "well, i think we could do better than that, but with an inexperienced QB, that could happen. those are 5 good teams and a 6th (detroit) that we'll play on the road that has a better QB. if that does happen, we'll ride it out b/c we are committed to aaron rodgers"

i know, looking back i was an idiot to think that. i'm trying to get a handle on why i was so foolish to think i'd get responses like that.

i don't think theyll start 1-6. i think they'll start 2-5 with a chance to lose a 6th.

Why would you say Kitna is better that Rodgers? Kitna is a career backup who got a starting job on one of the worst franchises in the SB era. If you read between the lines, the very idea of Green Bay not wanting Farve back tells me just what they believe they have in Rodgers. If they were worried about if he was any good, they'd grab Farve back in a minute.

i guess i thought that was a fairly safe assumption. rodgers has played in 3/4ths of an NFL game. kitna has played in 120+ NFL games. he's not a perennial pro-bowler or anything, but he's put up some good seasons when given a chance. he's thrown for alot of yardage at times and has thrown alot of picks. of course, both of those things can be attributed to playing for poor teams and playing from behind. he has completed over 60% of his passes over the past 2 years when teams generally knew he was going to throwing the whole time.that doesn't really matter, though. kitna has demonstrated that he can be a serviceable NFL QB and can run an NFL offense. rodgers hasn't.

then again, i don't know what's real anymore.

What he's demonstrated in the past and what Kitna can do this year are two different things, he's old. Let's put it this way, if Aaron Rodgers is not better this year than J. Kitna this year, then Rodgers can be labeled a disappointment. Kitna won't even finish the year as the starter.

 

[Phurfur]

If I hear "legend" one more time I'm going to barf. Favre is not a legend, he is a stat whoore who wins games but chokes in the big ones. One SB in 16 years with the talent he has had is ridiculous. I never understood why Favre got a pass from the media for all his poor play. Would a legend have lost the NFC championship game last year? If Eli had thrown that interception the press would still be riding him. I don't care what GBs record is next year I will not boo them. I never have and I never will but I have left some games early (Tenn).

 

[Gopher State]

packerfan reminds me of a 45 year old man, coming out of a messy divorce.he meets a smoking hot 21 year old. young, pert rack. great body. looks up to him, makes him feel important again. great in the sack. motivates him to refill his viagra prescription. none of that older wife baggage.now, the thought of this is wonderful and great at 1st. makes us forget about all the problems associated with dating a 21 year old woman. she's out all-night partying with her 21 year old friends. she's immature. you start to feel insecure b/c you're so much older. she's not really ready to settle down. sometimes, i guess it can work with a much younger woman, but the reality is rarely as good as the fantasy.it doesn't seem like packerfan seems ready to accept it if rodgers does what most young QBs do. it's still in the fantasy stage right now.

LMAOThe Packers will win in spite of Rogers. No packer fan thinks he is better than Brett. It's just the rest of the team is so consistently strong. Plus, it's the competition the face (or don't) First six games, its Dallas and Seattle that are good. The rest of the teams, only Tampa made the playoffs (at 9-7), the rest not only didn't make the playoffs last year, they didn't come close. AND THEY DIDNT GET ANY BETTER.So if those other four teams all sucked last year, and didn't get any better (and some worse), just why should we expect the Pack to lose this year to them?

So your saying the Vikings didn't get any better after adding Allen, BB, etc. I wish you were in my FF league

 

[bcr8f]

If I hear "legend" one more time I'm going to barf. Favre is not a legend, he is a stat whoore who wins games but chokes in the big ones. One SB in 16 years with the talent he has had is ridiculous. I never understood why Favre got a pass from the media for all his poor play. Would a legend have lost the NFC championship game last year? If Eli had thrown that interception the press would still be riding him. I don't care what GBs record is next year I will not boo them. I never have and I never will but I have left some games early (Tenn).

The legend Brett Favre doesn't choke in big games. He tries hitting home runs by chucking the ball downfield. This isn't smart when teams know you're going to do it but it isn't choking either. Choking is when you're afraid and act like it. Favre isn't afraid. He wants to end the game with 1 throw.Stat whore. You guys ought to know what you're talking about before you post.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

If I hear "legend" one more time I'm going to barf. Favre is not a legend, he is a stat whoore who wins games but chokes in the big ones. One SB in 16 years with the talent he has had is ridiculous. I never understood why Favre got a pass from the media for all his poor play. Would a legend have lost the NFC championship game last year? If Eli had thrown that interception the press would still be riding him. I don't care what GBs record is next year I will not boo them. I never have and I never will but I have left some games early (Tenn).

He's a legend because he's done what nobody has done before, play in all those consecutive games. I'm not going to boo Green Bay either, I hope they get crushed all season long but I don't think that'll be the case.Eli would have still been ridden because if he would have choked, that's all you have to go on with him. He's been an under achiever so far his entire career until the last month of last season and the playoff run.Brett Farve has played at a high level in the past. I'm not a Brett Farve guy except for the fact I love the NFL and with that, you have to respect what Farve's been able to do in his career. I don't buy the argument that they've had a ton of talent all these years and he didn't win with it. They've been slightly above average in talent playing in a division that all you have to be is decent and you can win it. Last year was probably their most talented team in years and even then, it was New England's SB to lose the entire year.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

If I hear "legend" one more time I'm going to barf. Favre is not a legend, he is a stat whoore who wins games but chokes in the big ones. One SB in 16 years with the talent he has had is ridiculous. I never understood why Favre got a pass from the media for all his poor play. Would a legend have lost the NFC championship game last year? If Eli had thrown that interception the press would still be riding him. I don't care what GBs record is next year I will not boo them. I never have and I never will but I have left some games early (Tenn).

The legend Brett Favre doesn't choke in big games. He tries hitting home runs by chucking the ball downfield. This isn't smart when teams know you're going to do it but it isn't choking either. Choking is when you're afraid and act like it. Favre isn't afraid. He wants to end the game with 1 throw.Stat whore. You guys ought to know what you're talking about before you post.

I think he choked in throwing the INT versus the Giants. Choking to me is messing up under extreme pressure, not just being afraid. Farve would probably be the first to tell you that he choked on that throw........it happens.

 

[Vladislav Tretiak]

You know, two years ago everyone but some Packer fans were calling for a long drought for the Packers organization because Favre was washed up and was no better than than bottom five QBs. Now it's all without Favre the Packers are going to lose all their games except against the Falcons. Give me a break. Is Rogers better than Favre? Probably not but who knows. He can't be outright terrible considering he's been in the same system for the last couple of years. All he has to do is not lose games and the Packers will be fine. They have a strong running game and a stout defense, that will be perfect for a QB who will need some time to get into a rhythm.

The Vikings Def can be as strong as they want but I'm pretty sure Favre didnt have to win any of those games by himself last year. The Vikings only mustered one offensive TD all season against the Packers. All Rogers has to do is not turn it over every position and even if he does...who's to say the Vikings will actually do anything with those positions.

@Detroit? Again, as long as Rogers doesnt throw away the game he can rely on the defense and running game to beat up on a bad Detroit team this year.

Dallas. This will be a tough one, if the Dallas offense hasnt missed a key then Rogers will have to step up his game. It wouldnt surprise me if the Packers lose or win this one.

@ TB. Could go either way but I think the Packers body of work is tremendously better than the Bucs. Again, all Rogers has to do is a play a safe conservative game but by this time he should have the swing of things. If he is struggling to adapt to playing on the road and starting every week this could be a problem, the Bucs will probably be 3 pt favorites on home field alone but this can easily be winnable by the Packers.

Atlanta....win.

@Seattle. I'm sticking with the same theme. As long as the other core components of the Packers play like they did near the end of the season this wont be a game that Rogers will have to win on his shoulders alone. Ryan Grant had no problem with that in the post season.

Wow! That's an unbelievable call there!How can you go out on such a limb with that call?

 

[VTjkru]

You know, two years ago everyone but some Packer fans were calling for a long drought for the Packers organization because Favre was washed up and was no better than than bottom five QBs. Now it's all without Favre the Packers are going to lose all their games except against the Falcons. Give me a break. Is Rogers better than Favre? Probably not but who knows. He can't be outright terrible considering he's been in the same system for the last couple of years. All he has to do is not lose games and the Packers will be fine. They have a strong running game and a stout defense, that will be perfect for a QB who will need some time to get into a rhythm.

The Vikings Def can be as strong as they want but I'm pretty sure Favre didnt have to win any of those games by himself last year. The Vikings only mustered one offensive TD all season against the Packers. All Rogers has to do is not turn it over every position and even if he does...who's to say the Vikings will actually do anything with those positions.

@Detroit? Again, as long as Rogers doesnt throw away the game he can rely on the defense and running game to beat up on a bad Detroit team this year.

Dallas. This will be a tough one, if the Dallas offense hasnt missed a key then Rogers will have to step up his game. It wouldnt surprise me if the Packers lose or win this one.

@ TB. Could go either way but I think the Packers body of work is tremendously better than the Bucs. Again, all Rogers has to do is a play a safe conservative game but by this time he should have the swing of things. If he is struggling to adapt to playing on the road and starting every week this could be a problem, the Bucs will probably be 3 pt favorites on home field alone but this can easily be winnable by the Packers.

Atlanta....win.

@Seattle. I'm sticking with the same theme. As long as the other core components of the Packers play like they did near the end of the season this wont be a game that Rogers will have to win on his shoulders alone. Ryan Grant had no problem with that in the post season.

Wow! That's an unbelievable call there!How can you go out on such a limb with that call?

I didnt go out on a limb, I said I wouldnt be surprise if they won or loss. I don't know where I said I am making any bold predictions. Now if they were to lose against Atlanta, I would be surprised. If they can beat Indy, I would be surprised.

 

[VTjkru]

If I hear "legend" one more time I'm going to barf. Favre is not a legend, he is a stat whoore who wins games but chokes in the big ones. One SB in 16 years with the talent he has had is ridiculous. I never understood why Favre got a pass from the media for all his poor play. Would a legend have lost the NFC championship game last year? If Eli had thrown that interception the press would still be riding him. I don't care what GBs record is next year I will not boo them. I never have and I never will but I have left some games early (Tenn).

Do you mind listing the Grade-A talent that have been part of the Packers in the last 16 years? Not fantasy studs but top notch NFL talent.

 

[jurb26]

If I hear "legend" one more time I'm going to barf. Favre is not a legend, he is a stat whoore who wins games but chokes in the big ones. One SB in 16 years with the talent he has had is ridiculous. I never understood why Favre got a pass from the media for all his poor play. Would a legend have lost the NFC championship game last year? If Eli had thrown that interception the press would still be riding him. I don't care what GBs record is next year I will not boo them. I never have and I never will but I have left some games early (Tenn).

Do you mind listing the Grade-A talent that have been part of the Packers in the last 16 years? Not fantasy studs but top notch NFL talent.

LeRoy ButlerSterling SharpeReggie WhiteBryce PaupMark ChmuraKeith JacksonGilbert BrownAntonio FreemanWilliam HendersonDorsey LevensDarren SharperAhman GreenMarco RiveraMike WahleBubba FranksDonald DriverKabeer Gbaja-BiamilaJavon WalkerAaron KampmanAl HarrisA.J. HawkCharles WoodsonChad Clifton

 

[StuntMonkee]

As a Pack Fan, let be honest. . .there is no room for hope. A rookie QB has never come in and dominated from the get go. . . .seesh. . .look what happened over there for the Steelers. . . .didnt that kid lose like 12 oe 14 straight?. . .waaait a sec. . .maybe it was the other way around.

Farve or Rogers. . . .the Pack is a contender this year to be a solid team. They made a better effort against the Cowgirls last year with Rogers over Favre, but Favre had a huge season too.

So, I think there is a strong reason to be hopefull that the Pack will be productive either way. 1-6 isnt out of the picture, but 6-1 isnt either. . .just ask last years team that was supposed to be a 9-7 team at the start of the season.