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Will there be a rbbc in Houston? (1 Viewer)

Is it possible that the Texans will go to a version of a rbbc going forward? I don't see Foster losing his job, but it is not out of the realm of possibility that Ward comes in and takes 20-30% of the carries in Houston.

While Foster was suspended for most of the first half D.Ward looked pretty good/great in the Houston offense. Ward even got some carries in the second half after Foster came back into the game. Is the second half of the game what we will be seeing the rest of the season?

My guess is yes... I think that Ward comes in and takes some carries away from A.Foster. I don't think it is going to take Foster out of the elite caliber of rb's in fantasy football, but I do think it will effect his value somewhat.

All of this due to Foster's continued immaturity. If he had simply gotten to his meetings in a timely manner this would have never been an issue. What would Foster do if he had a real job in the real world...Grow up.

 
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Lock (as in the thread, not your completely manufactured, pot-stirring attempt at a point).

 
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It is not my intention to cause trouble. I am asking this as a legitimate question. Ward did get some carries even when Foster returned.I didn't mean to imply this is going to be a 50/50 split or anything approaching that, but I do think that it is possible that Ward gets enough touches to lower Foster's value.
 
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I don't see how this can't be a concern. I don't think Foster value will get dinged too much, but I hate to see any RB go in and be productive..especially with that coach. A few fumbles, and he will bench you.

 
I think this is more of a concern for dynasty owners. As far a RBBC with Ward and Slaton, I don't see it this season. But Tate could be legit, or another equally talented back could end up on the roster next year.

But Foster better hold on to the ball.

 
I don't think Foster value will get dinged too much, but I hate to see any RB go in and be productive..especially with that coach. A few fumbles, and he will bench you.
That is simply not true. Slaton didn't get benched last year just because he was fumbling; he was benched because he kept fumbling AND he was not producing. His YPC was mediocre last year. Look at what Foster is doing this year. Featured RBs who are averaging over 6 YPC aren't getting benched because of a few fumbles. Not by Kubiak. Not by anyone.
 
All of this due to Foster's continued immaturity. If he had simply gotten to his meetings in a timely manner this would have never been an issue.
Continued? Did he miss more than one meeting? Whats the background to this?
Arian Foster took full responsibility for his benching in Week 4, apologizing to his teammates and saying "it won't happen again."Foster clearly felt truly bad about missing one meeting last week and being late to another. His benching should serve as an ample wake-up call. Foster now has 500 rushing yards and 100 receiving yards in the first four games of the season, a feat only Billy Sims and Emmitt Smith have pulled off. He's for real.

Source: Houston Chronicle

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...nfl&id=5469

 
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I don't think Foster value will get dinged too much, but I hate to see any RB go in and be productive..especially with that coach. A few fumbles, and he will bench you.
That is simply not true. Slaton didn't get benched last year just because he was fumbling; he was benched because he kept fumbling AND he was not producing. His YPC was mediocre last year. Look at what Foster is doing this year. Featured RBs who are averaging over 6 YPC aren't getting benched because of a few fumbles. Not by Kubiak. Not by anyone.
What happens when the back up comes in and averages 6 YPC too?
 
I don't think Foster value will get dinged too much, but I hate to see any RB go in and be productive..especially with that coach. A few fumbles, and he will bench you.
That is simply not true. Slaton didn't get benched last year just because he was fumbling; he was benched because he kept fumbling AND he was not producing. His YPC was mediocre last year. Look at what Foster is doing this year. Featured RBs who are averaging over 6 YPC aren't getting benched because of a few fumbles. Not by Kubiak. Not by anyone.
Slaton, Morris, AND golden-boy Foster were all benched last year because of fumbling issues. You're free to discount it, but it's a definite risk on the Texans. Look at the panic that set in yesterday when Foster wasn't in the game. You don't want to insure yourself against that when Foster's "backup" was running "over 6 YPC"?
 
My guess would be that foster's touches decrease as long as slaton/ward can be productive. Through 4 games, foster's on pace for nearly 400 touches...I just don't see any way that continues.

As a foster owner, I don't see that as necessarily a bad thing. I'd rather have him around for the playoffs than an extra few points per game throughout the year.

Let's not kid ourselves into thinking he's some kind of special talent. He's a nice player that fits the system. I don't see this being that different than the bronco backs of years ago. Plug one in and he'll be a stud.

 
Foster is averaging over 6 YPC for the season so far, not just in one game. Big, big difference.

Besides, while Slaton and Ward averaged over 7 and 6 YPC yesterday, Foster still averaged over 8 YPC yesterday, and with more carries (which is more impressive, having a high YPC with a higher number of carries), so there is no doubt who the man in Houston will continue to be, so long as Foster doesn't do screw it up by missing more team meetings. Slaton and Ward will still get some touches, for sure, but Foster will remain the featured back.

 
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Foster is averaging over 6 YPC for the season so far, not just in one game. Big, big difference. Besides, while Slaton and Ward averaged over 7 and 6 YPC yesterday, Foster still averaged over 8 YPC yesterday, and with more carries (which is more impressive, having a high YPC with a higher number of carries), so there is no doubt who the man in Houston will continue to be, so long as Foster doesn't do screw it up by missing more team meetings. Slaton and Ward will still get some touches, for sure, but Foster will remain the featured back.
Where is teh big difference? You are right, one game is not a valid sample size. But it is fair to say that Foster is not a special talent. When you can stick an average RB in your system and get 20/100/1, why stick with the average one with fumbling issues? I am not saying Foster will have fumbling issues, I am not saying he is not the best back out of the 3. But it is no stretch to suggest that he gets benched for periods at a time, if he has fumbling issues.
 
The answer is yes. Full blown RBBC. Time to panic!!!!111!1!!!1!!!

Now that you're panicking please trade me Foster ASAP as I was one of those guys that thought he would slide back into the pack as the season wore on. I believe there's a thread after week 1 where I said I'd happily trade him for Shonn Green. I've made a lot of good calls over the years, but that one is undeniably :useless: at this point.

Seriously, every RB has some risk. I get it that the Texans feel like the new Broncos, but I think they've found their guy for this year (unless he keeps blowing off meetings and/or starts fumbling a lot).

 
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I think Foster answered this question quite clearly when he entered the game. No there will not be RBBC. Why? Because Foster IS that much better than the other backs and Kubiac (While slightly ######ed at times) is not stupid and wants to win games. Foster is the only reason Houston won that game/ thread

 
I think Foster answered this question quite clearly when he entered the game. No there will not be RBBC. Why? Because Foster IS that much better than the other backs and Kubiac (While slightly ######ed at times) is not stupid and wants to win games. Foster is the only reason Houston won that game/ thread
Foster is the only reason? How can you say that, when Houston was doing just fine with Ward back there? The O-line is the only reason they won. I am not questioning Foster as FF player, just not ready to call him great as an actual football player yet.
 
Lets also not forget that yes Ward and Slaton had decent games yesterday but they ran against the second worse rushing defense, that being Oakland who is ranked 31st in rush defense. Foster had done it all season long against some pretty decent run defenses like Dallas who is ranked 8th, Washington who is ranked 12th, and Colts who are not great but still ranked ahead of Oakland at 29th. So lets not get all excited about Ward and Slaton having a great game against a very poor rushing defense. If they can show me that they can do it against a top notch rush defense like Foster has then I may start to get excited but not until then.

 
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I think a lot of you need to remind yourselves they were playing the Raiders. Yea Ward did well with his twelve carries, but when you're going against one of the worst run D's in the league its to be expected. Lets see how Ward fairs against someone with a defense before we start writing Foster off as a "system" back. While I'm not totally convinced Foster is an elite talent, I do think he's a lot better than some of you are giving him credit for.

 
To get a perspective on how talented some think Foster is, what would the following RBs do, given the exact same carries, in Foster's place?

Felix Jones

Shonn Greene

LT

Jonathan Stewart

Jamaal charles

I think they would all have put up comparable numbers. Those are just 5 random RBBC backs. This year, Foster is obviously safe. But his talent does not secure his spot or value forever.

 
To get a perspective on how talented some think Foster is, what would the following RBs do, given the exact same carries, in Foster's place?

Felix Jones - Not close to comparable

Shonn Greene - Slightly lower

LT - Slightly lower

Jonathan Stewart - Comparable

Jamaal charles - Comparable for now, questionable when taking number of carries into account

I think they would all have put up comparable numbers. Those are just 5 random RBBC backs. This year, Foster is obviously safe. But his talent does not secure his spot or value forever.
There you go.
 
I think Foster answered this question quite clearly when he entered the game. No there will not be RBBC. Why? Because Foster IS that much better than the other backs and Kubiac (While slightly ######ed at times) is not stupid and wants to win games. Foster is the only reason Houston won that game/ thread
Foster is the only reason? How can you say that, when Houston was doing just fine with Ward back there? The O-line is the only reason they won. I am not questioning Foster as FF player, just not ready to call him great as an actual football player yet.
They were playing the worst rush D in football, and still hadn't mustered a lead over Oakland when Foster first set foot on the field. Yeah, everybody panic!
 
To get a perspective on how talented some think Foster is, what would the following RBs do, given the exact same carries, in Foster's place?

Felix Jones - Not close to comparable

Shonn Greene - Slightly lower

LT - Slightly lower

Jonathan Stewart - Comparable

Jamaal charles - Comparable for now, questionable when taking number of carries into account

I think they would all have put up comparable numbers. Those are just 5 random RBBC backs. This year, Foster is obviously safe. But his talent does not secure his spot or value forever.
There you go.
Ha ha. This is funny.Felix Jone is a much more talented player than Arian Foster. Please share any reasons why he wouldn't be close to Arian's numbers. Please. I would love to hear it.

Greene - I would say about the same.

LT - Better.

Stewart - Much better. Foster is a poor man's Stewart.

Charles - Much better. He put up Foster like numbers over the 2nd half of the season, with a poor line.

 
I think Foster answered this question quite clearly when he entered the game. No there will not be RBBC. Why? Because Foster IS that much better than the other backs and Kubiac (While slightly ######ed at times) is not stupid and wants to win games. Foster is the only reason Houston won that game/ thread
Foster is the only reason? How can you say that, when Houston was doing just fine with Ward back there? The O-line is the only reason they won. I am not questioning Foster as FF player, just not ready to call him great as an actual football player yet.
They were playing the worst rush D in football, and still hadn't mustered a lead over Oakland when Foster first set foot on the field. Yeah, everybody panic!
Who is in a panic? Surely not me. I simply pointed out that Houston did just fine with Ward back there. Care to argue that? And your logic sucks. Houston was up 14-7 in the first qtr. Then Foster came in and it was 14-14 at the half.
 
To get a perspective on how talented some think Foster is, what would the following RBs do, given the exact same carries, in Foster's place?

Felix Jones - Not close to comparable

Shonn Greene - Slightly lower

LT - Slightly lower

Jonathan Stewart - Comparable

Jamaal charles - Comparable for now, questionable when taking number of carries into account

I think they would all have put up comparable numbers. Those are just 5 random RBBC backs. This year, Foster is obviously safe. But his talent does not secure his spot or value forever.
There you go.
Ha ha. This is funny.Felix Jone is a much more talented player than Arian Foster. Please share any reasons why he wouldn't be close to Arian's numbers. Please. I would love to hear it.

Greene - I would say about the same.

LT - Better.

Stewart - Much better. Foster is a poor man's Stewart.

Charles - Much better. He put up Foster like numbers over the 2nd half of the season, with a poor line.
This post reeks of someone who has not watched much of Arian Foster this season (and if you have, we have come away with COMPLETELY different views on what we have seen).Felix Jones- Ability to tote the rock 20+ times IS an ability...one that Felix Jones does not even come close to having. Even taking that away, what exactly makes Felix better? His speed is great, but he doesn't impress me with his vision, decision making, or power. Name me 1 thing he does better than Arian Foster outside of quickness/speed? In terms of total player, I think this one goes to Foster in a landslide. Now, if you are looking to gain 60 yards on 1 play, I suppose Felix would be that player (although the only one out of these 2 that has a 70+ yard TD this season is Foster...I'm not saying, I'm just sayin...).

LT- I believe that he is level with Foster this year and Foster will be miles ahead starting next year (if not later this year). The reason is obvious- age.

Greene- Not even close to the same. They both seem to have power (with Greene having slightly more pile moving ability), but Greene is not even in the same ballpark as Foster in regards to vision, balance, and burst, at least from what I have seen. Both of these players are dealing with a small sample size, except Foster's small sample size has been MUCH more impressive.

Stewart- I would say that Stewart is better. I have been on the Stewart bandwagon since his days at Oregon and firmly believe he will be a top 3 RB when he has a job all to his own.

Charles- Slightly behind. This is the toughest comparison to make, but I will refer back to what I said about Felix- the ability to tote the rock 20+ times is absolutely an ability and seems to be one even Charles' own coach doesn't believe he has at the moment. I actually think he MAY have this ability, but if his own coaching staff doesn't agree, that has to say something, doesn't it?

The reality of the situation is that in rare circumstances, you do NOT have to be an elite, top 3 talent to PLAY like an elite, top 3 talent. Arian Foster reminds me eerily of another player who I never felt was an elite talent but played better than anyone in football over his dominant run- Priest Holmes.

Sometimes, systems fit a player PERFECTLY. This was the case with Priest, as I don't think he would have faired NEARLY as well in essentially any other offense in the NFL. Some players make their own space, but don't do as well when the space is given to them. Conversely, some players can't turn nothing into something, but are superb when the holes are there for them. Not everyone is an other-wordly, transcendent talent like Adrian Peterson, Barry Sanders, etc..., who are capable of doing both. Did Priest benefit greatly from the offense, coach, etc... in place? Sure. That being said, I'm not sure any other running back in the NFL would have faired as well as Priest did in his situation, as it absolutely played right into his exact skillset. It's rare, but it does happen and I think we have the potential makings of this very thing with Foster and Houston.

I began by thinking Foster was a flash in the pan who was doomed to die a painfull fantasy death at the hand of Gary Kubiak, if not this year then next. However, one play in particular yesterday changed my mind. It was a simple 3rd quarter swing pass that he caught in the left flat. He was one on one with a defender, juked, left the defender standing, showed extremely impressive burst to get the corner, turned up field, and then showed impressive vision by making a cutback. In the end, what should have been a 5 yard gain turned into 31. In my mind, that turned Foster from simply a product of the system to a player with the POTENTIAL to turn into the next Priest Holmes (note that I said POTENTIAL. There is still a long, long way to go before he gets to that point). Normal system backs don't look as good as he has looked while benefiting from the system- it HAS to go beyond just the system, at least from what my eyeball test is telling me. In dynasty, I STILL think the smart and safe move is to sell high if you can get legit top 5 talent for him, but I no longer think that it is that far fetched to believe he can maintain this into the forseeable future. Once upon of time, you could essentially have replaced Arian Foster's name with Priest Holmes and had this exact same debate. We all know how well that turned out for everyone saying to sell him...

 
I think Foster answered this question quite clearly when he entered the game. No there will not be RBBC. Why? Because Foster IS that much better than the other backs and Kubiac (While slightly ######ed at times) is not stupid and wants to win games. Foster is the only reason Houston won that game/ thread
Foster is the only reason? How can you say that, when Houston was doing just fine with Ward back there? The O-line is the only reason they won. I am not questioning Foster as FF player, just not ready to call him great as an actual football player yet.
They were playing the worst rush D in football, and still hadn't mustered a lead over Oakland when Foster first set foot on the field. Yeah, everybody panic!
Who is in a panic? Surely not me. I simply pointed out that Houston did just fine with Ward back there. Care to argue that? And your logic sucks. Houston was up 14-7 in the first qtr. Then Foster came in and it was 14-14 at the half.
Your still not comprehending the fact that Ward did it against the second worst rush defense in the league. Now if he does it against a top 10 team then I will be impressed until then, not so much.
 
To get a perspective on how talented some think Foster is, what would the following RBs do, given the exact same carries, in Foster's place?

Felix Jones - Not close to comparable

Shonn Greene - Slightly lower

LT - Slightly lower

Jonathan Stewart - Comparable

Jamaal charles - Comparable for now, questionable when taking number of carries into account

I think they would all have put up comparable numbers. Those are just 5 random RBBC backs. This year, Foster is obviously safe. But his talent does not secure his spot or value forever.
There you go.
Ha ha. This is funny.Felix Jone is a much more talented player than Arian Foster. Please share any reasons why he wouldn't be close to Arian's numbers. Please. I would love to hear it.

Greene - I would say about the same.

LT - Better.

Stewart - Much better. Foster is a poor man's Stewart.

Charles - Much better. He put up Foster like numbers over the 2nd half of the season, with a poor line.
Dude, don't solicit others opinions if you're simply going to ignore them. You'd have been better off just stating that in your opinion, all five players would perform better than Foster.The reality is that the question is clearly hypothetical, and really irrelevant in fantasy terms for THIS season. None of those players are in a comparable situation, and opportunity/situation is often as important -- and sometimes more important -- than raw talent. But really, ALL players are affected by the system and surrounding talent of their teams. It's a matter of degree, perhaps, but it's always a factor. Look at the career of Wes Welker -- yes, undrafted. If he stays with the Dolphins, he's still a mostly anonymous 3rd WR/return specialist type on a run-first team (at least until this season). Put him in NE and suddenly he's a top fantasy WR in PPR formats.

However, while Foster clearly was not rated high by the GMs and scouting services, that appears to be more of an indictment of them than of Foster. We can get into a long list of players who were undrafted or very late draft picks who have had great NFL careers. Tony Romo of your beloved Cowboys went undrafted. As did Antonio Gates. Among non-skill positions, Jeff Saturday, London Fletcher and James Harrison were undrafted. John Randle just got in the HoF, four years after Warren Moon. Both undrafted. Recent retirees Kurt Warner and Priest Holmes are borderline HoF candidates, too. Players slip through the cracks, and sometimes the right player meets the right system.

As to the players on your list... I'm not convinced F.Jones and Charles can be 20+ touch running backs. For that matter, LT probably can't hold up either at this point. Greene isn't the same type of runner. Stewart has struggled to stay healthy, but I'd put him at the top of the list for comparison sake.

 
I think Foster answered this question quite clearly when he entered the game. No there will not be RBBC. Why? Because Foster IS that much better than the other backs and Kubiac (While slightly ######ed at times) is not stupid and wants to win games. Foster is the only reason Houston won that game/ thread
Foster is the only reason? How can you say that, when Houston was doing just fine with Ward back there? The O-line is the only reason they won. I am not questioning Foster as FF player, just not ready to call him great as an actual football player yet.
Ward would not have broke a 79 TD run. Ward is average, he couldnt even keep a gig in New York or Tampa Bay. He is a journeyman and like other journeymen serves his purpose of backing up the real star in case there is an injury.
 
Is it possible that the Texans will go to a version of a rbbc going forward? I don't see Foster losing his job, but it is not out of the realm of possibility that Ward comes in and takes 20-30% of the carries in Houston.

While Foster was suspended for most of the first half D.Ward looked pretty good/great in the Houston offense. Ward even got some carries in the second half after Foster came back into the game. Is the second half of the game what we will be seeing the rest of the season?

My guess is yes... I think that Ward comes in and takes some carries away from A.Foster. I don't think it is going to take Foster out of the elite caliber of rb's in fantasy football, but I do think it will effect his value somewhat.

All of this due to Foster's continued immaturity. If he had simply gotten to his meetings in a timely manner this would have never been an issue. What would Foster do if he had a real job in the real world...Grow up.
First comment... 20-30% of the carries going to a RB2 is Kubiak's self-stated preferred philosophy. So I don't think under normal circumstances that is at all unusual to expect. Though in this case, with how Foster is playing, one might think he'll not sub him as much unless the backups are really doing something good too. Which leads to Kubiak's quote about Derrick Ward:

"He's been showing some good things in practice, but you never know until you transfer them to the game," Kubiak said. "He's a big load. He's a big guy. He's always falling forward. I think he fits what we do. He's been very into what we do. I think he's caught up mentally and I think you guys will see even more of him."
So I think we can expect Ward to get more touches. Whether he gets them at the expense of Slaton or of Foster is probably still just speculation. I'd personally rather see them come out of Slaton's share, but we'll see.
 
Is it possible that the Texans will go to a version of a rbbc going forward? I don't see Foster losing his job, but it is not out of the realm of possibility that Ward comes in and takes 20-30% of the carries in Houston.

While Foster was suspended for most of the first half D.Ward looked pretty good/great in the Houston offense. Ward even got some carries in the second half after Foster came back into the game. Is the second half of the game what we will be seeing the rest of the season?

My guess is yes... I think that Ward comes in and takes some carries away from A.Foster. I don't think it is going to take Foster out of the elite caliber of rb's in fantasy football, but I do think it will effect his value somewhat.

All of this due to Foster's continued immaturity. If he had simply gotten to his meetings in a timely manner this would have never been an issue. What would Foster do if he had a real job in the real world...Grow up.
First comment... 20-30% of the carries going to a RB2 is Kubiak's self-stated preferred philosophy. So I don't think under normal circumstances that is at all unusual to expect. Though in this case, with how Foster is playing, one might think he'll not sub him as much unless the backups are really doing something good too. Which leads to Kubiak's quote about Derrick Ward:

"He's been showing some good things in practice, but you never know until you transfer them to the game," Kubiak said. "He's a big load. He's a big guy. He's always falling forward. I think he fits what we do. He's been very into what we do. I think he's caught up mentally and I think you guys will see even more of him."
So I think we can expect Ward to get more touches. Whether he gets them at the expense of Slaton or of Foster is probably still just speculation. I'd personally rather see them come out of Slaton's share, but we'll see.
They showed yesterday what was meant by the quote. Slaton is essentially a special teams player only now, as Ward will be the one who comes in when Foster needs a breather. Once Foster re-entered the game following his 1 quarter benching, this is exactly how it played out. Foster got 80-90% of the work and when he needed a rest and came out of the game, Ward entered in his place.It is notable to point out this is exactly how it worked in weeks 1-3, only Slaton was the one coming in to spell him.

 
Taken from Rotowire today...

Texans head coach Gary Kubiak likes Ward's fit within the team's offense, the Texans' official site reports

"Ward stepped in for the benched Arian Foster early on in Sunday's win over Oakland and rushed for 80 yards and a touchdown. "Well he's been showing some good things in practice, but you never know until you transfer them to the game. He's a big load. He's a big guy. He's always falling forward. I think he fits what we do. He's been very into what we do. I think he's caught up mentally and I think you guys will see even more of him. We're excited to have him and it's been a slow process, but I think this thing could speed up. I think he can help us a lot more," Kubiak said. Ward joined the Texans just before the start of the regular season and hadn't seen much action until Sunday. We'll have to see if Ward gets an increase in snaps following the discipline meted out to Foster this past weekend."

(Article Link)

 
Although I don't think there is any concern to be had for Foster finding himself in a RBBC, I AM glad I found this thread.

Thanks to Herm23 and the Jerk for your comments.

Coop and I have been going back and forth Re: Foster in another thread and, seriously, no disrespect meant towards you Coop, but you really have a strong negative bias towards Foster that is keeping you from accepting what he is (and I think Herm23 really gave a great set of examples).

You can talk him down because he was undrafted and he wasn't a household name and all those things but the facts on the field is this guy is IMPRESSIVE on the field and he leads the NFL in rushing and he has a rediculous 6.63 YPC. At that point, all the "yeah buts" and "if this guy" and "if that guy" is out the window. Kubiak knows what he brings to this team and he is not going to squealch a productive player (and that goes back to answer the OP...Foster will continue to be the bellcow on this team because the Texans are very productive right now).

 
Fosters show all the way.

Are we really being serious here trying to read Kubiaks quotes? Please. Ward is a journeyman who has a history of breaking down often.

Foster is getting 90% of the work. Done.

Is Ward the back up...yeah that is becoming clear with statements like that. But as soon as Ward starts getting 20 carries a game for say 3 weeks...he will get hurt. He has one truly healthy season under his belt getting a lot of work. Giants circa 2008.

If (bite my tounge) Foster goes down Ward will get first shot, but don't count out Slaton. I don't see Ward giving them anything in the playmaking department. He is a plodder. In this instance you will get a good dose of Slaton too. He can make huge plays when given enough touches.

 
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I actually think having an effective back-up like Ward is going to enhance Foster's value. Through the course of a game, Kubiak can get Foster some rest by putting Ward in, and in the fourth quarter when the Texans have the lead he can pound a fresh Foster at a tired defense.

Let's look at what Foster has done since he became the starting running back (last 2 games last year, first 4 games this year):

6 games, 753 yards rushing, 7 rushing TD's, 178 receiving yards, 1 receiving TD.

So he is averaging over 150 combined yards per game, and 1.33 TD's per game. So he must be getting a ton of touches each game, right?

Other than the Indy game to start the season (when he had 34 touches), he has had 19, 23, 22, 21, and 19 touches in the other 5 games.

He is not being worn out. I think he will continue to be effective if he continues to get the good blocking that the Texans line has provided. Derrick

Ward and Steve Slaton are not going to reduce his effectiveness. Ward will probably get the back-up carries, but there will be no RBBC.

 
This post reeks of someone who has not watched much of Arian Foster this season (and if you have, we have come away with COMPLETELY different views on what we have seen).

Felix Jones- Ability to tote the rock 20+ times IS an ability...one that Felix Jones does not even come close to having. Even taking that away, what exactly makes Felix better? His speed is great, but he doesn't impress me with his vision, decision making, or power. Name me 1 thing he does better than Arian Foster outside of quickness/speed? In terms of total player, I think this one goes to Foster in a landslide. Now, if you are looking to gain 60 yards on 1 play, I suppose Felix would be that player (although the only one out of these 2 that has a 70+ yard TD this season is Foster...I'm not saying, I'm just sayin...).

LT- I believe that he is level with Foster this year and Foster will be miles ahead starting next year (if not later this year). The reason is obvious- age.

Greene- Not even close to the same. They both seem to have power (with Greene having slightly more pile moving ability), but Greene is not even in the same ballpark as Foster in regards to vision, balance, and burst, at least from what I have seen. Both of these players are dealing with a small sample size, except Foster's small sample size has been MUCH more impressive.

Stewart- I would say that Stewart is better. I have been on the Stewart bandwagon since his days at Oregon and firmly believe he will be a top 3 RB when he has a job all to his own.

Charles- Slightly behind. This is the toughest comparison to make, but I will refer back to what I said about Felix- the ability to tote the rock 20+ times is absolutely an ability and seems to be one even Charles' own coach doesn't believe he has at the moment. I actually think he MAY have this ability, but if his own coaching staff doesn't agree, that has to say something, doesn't it?

The reality of the situation is that in rare circumstances, you do NOT have to be an elite, top 3 talent to PLAY like an elite, top 3 talent. Arian Foster reminds me eerily of another player who I never felt was an elite talent but played better than anyone in football over his dominant run- Priest Holmes.

Sometimes, systems fit a player PERFECTLY. This was the case with Priest, as I don't think he would have faired NEARLY as well in essentially any other offense in the NFL. Some players make their own space, but don't do as well when the space is given to them. Conversely, some players can't turn nothing into something, but are superb when the holes are there for them. Not everyone is an other-wordly, transcendent talent like Adrian Peterson, Barry Sanders, etc..., who are capable of doing both. Did Priest benefit greatly from the offense, coach, etc... in place? Sure. That being said, I'm not sure any other running back in the NFL would have faired as well as Priest did in his situation, as it absolutely played right into his exact skillset. It's rare, but it does happen and I think we have the potential makings of this very thing with Foster and Houston.

I began by thinking Foster was a flash in the pan who was doomed to die a painfull fantasy death at the hand of Gary Kubiak, if not this year then next. However, one play in particular yesterday changed my mind. It was a simple 3rd quarter swing pass that he caught in the left flat. He was one on one with a defender, juked, left the defender standing, showed extremely impressive burst to get the corner, turned up field, and then showed impressive vision by making a cutback. In the end, what should have been a 5 yard gain turned into 31. In my mind, that turned Foster from simply a product of the system to a player with the POTENTIAL to turn into the next Priest Holmes (note that I said POTENTIAL. There is still a long, long way to go before he gets to that point). Normal system backs don't look as good as he has looked while benefiting from the system- it HAS to go beyond just the system, at least from what my eyeball test is telling me. In dynasty, I STILL think the smart and safe move is to sell high if you can get legit top 5 talent for him, but I no longer think that it is that far fetched to believe he can maintain this into the forseeable future. Once upon of time, you could essentially have replaced Arian Foster's name with Priest Holmes and had this exact same debate. We all know how well that turned out for everyone saying to sell him...
First of all, no need to accuse or insinuate that I haven't seen him play. I have watched 3 pro games of Foster's, all this season, and about 6 college games, being a big Gator/SEC fan. So please hold the condesending tone.

Felix: We don't know if Felix can handle 20 carries. And at 5,10" 225 (reportedly) and a good frame, I don't think it is rational to assume he can't. As far as what he does better, you are right: he is a lot faster and a lot quicker. Why discredit those by saying that is all he has on him, as though that is not enough to make a player better, much better in many cases? And the decision making comment seems fabricated. When has Felix struggled with decision making? What do you mean you are not impressed by his decision making? Examples? Clarification? He gets 6.0 yards a pop, he is doing plenty right. He is a good decision maker, in that he makes his cut and goes. Very little dancing, which is great for a young back, especially one lacking brute power running ability. Being a Cowboy fan that has watched every single carry Felix has ever had in the NFL, your statement doesn't pass the smell test. Please elaborate. As far as vision, pretty much the same as "decision making". Have any examples, anything beyond a blanket statement that you are not "impressed" with no reasoning or even explanation of what that entails? As far as power, I would like to see Felix be able to move the pile more. But it is not as though he can't get tough yards, he can. I would give the advantage to Foster, mostly out of pure size. But I wouldn't say that either of them are great, in the power category.

Lasty, it is Felix' ability to cut and go on a dime, hit full speed in a blink, and outrun DBs, that make me think he would do better than Foster, given the opportunity. Many of Fosters 10 yard runs would be 20+ yard runs for Felix.

LT: I agree, as far as this year. I would say you are likely right about next year too.

Greene: I will agree that Foster has produced more in their respective windows of opportunity. I don't agree that those windows have been equally advantages.

Stewart: You and I agree here.

Charles: If you are going to base everything on the opportunities the coaching staff offers, they didn't think much of Foster, almost forced to give him a shot. Even after putting up great numbers last season, they essentially drafted his replacement.

 
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Although I don't think there is any concern to be had for Foster finding himself in a RBBC, I AM glad I found this thread.Thanks to Herm23 and the Jerk for your comments.Coop and I have been going back and forth Re: Foster in another thread and, seriously, no disrespect meant towards you Coop, but you really have a strong negative bias towards Foster that is keeping you from accepting what he is (and I think Herm23 really gave a great set of examples). You can talk him down because he was undrafted and he wasn't a household name and all those things but the facts on the field is this guy is IMPRESSIVE on the field and he leads the NFL in rushing and he has a rediculous 6.63 YPC. At that point, all the "yeah buts" and "if this guy" and "if that guy" is out the window. Kubiak knows what he brings to this team and he is not going to squealch a productive player (and that goes back to answer the OP...Foster will continue to be the bellcow on this team because the Texans are very productive right now).
No disrespect taken. I enjoy the topic of conversation. I am no scout, by any means. If what I see is wrong, no skin off my teeth. I am just a guy that loves to watch football, and is addicted to the fantasy aspect of it. But I can assure you it is no bias. Just my opinion. I just don't watch Foster and see "special" they way I do when I see other players, some of which aren't putting up Foster numbers. That leads me to conclude that Foster is benefitting hugely from his situation. It has nothing to do with his draft status. As I have said, and will continue to say, Foster is an elite re-draft player. I think Foster is a good dynasty option too, just not elite.
 
Felix Jones- Ability to tote the rock 20+ times IS an ability...one that Felix Jones does not even come close to having. Even taking that away, what exactly makes Felix better? His speed is great, but he doesn't impress me with his vision, decision making, or power. Name me 1 thing he does better than Arian Foster outside of quickness/speed? In terms of total player, I think this one goes to Foster in a landslide. Now, if you are looking to gain 60 yards on 1 play, I suppose Felix would be that player (although the only one out of these 2 that has a 70+ yard TD this season is Foster...I'm not saying, I'm just sayin...).
Felix Jones:Yahoo: He has great hands and great vision in the open fieldFF:good speed, good agility, great vision, Scout: Liked his take off, vision & ability to plant & goBlogging the boys: Felix's field vision and his ability to wait for his blocks to develop... seems superior...Armchair GM: He has excellent vision, shiftiness and speedWade Phillips: "His feet are close to the ground so he can cut quickly. And he sees people. He has great vision in my opinion. He sees the safety over here if he's coming. I think he's special in that area."Blogging the boys: his great decision making and his ...Dallascowboystimes.com: More than anything, he was decisive. That's perhaps the most important trait for a return man to possess. SI: fits the coach's preference for quick, decisive thrusts.
 
First of all, no need to accuse or insinuate that I haven't seen him play. I have watched 3 pro games of Foster's, all this season, and about 6 college games, being a big Gator/SEC fan. So please hold the condesending tone.

Felix: We don't know if Felix can handle 20 carries. And at 5,10" 225 (reportedly) and a good frame, I don't think it is rational to assume he can't. As far as what he does better, you are right: he is a lot faster and a lot quicker. Why discredit those by saying that is all he has on him, as though that is not enough to make a player better, much better in many cases? And the decision making comment seems fabricated. When has Felix struggled with decision making? What do you mean you are not impressed by his decision making? Examples? Clarification? He gets 6.0 yards a pop, he is doing plenty right. He is a good decision maker, in that he makes his cut and goes. Very little dancing, which is great for a young back, especially one lacking brute power running ability. Being a Cowboy fan that has watched every single carry Felix has ever had in the NFL, your statement doesn't pass the smell test. Please elaborate. As far as vision, pretty much the same as "decision making". Have any examples, anything beyond a blanket statement that you are not "impressed" with no reasoning or even explanation of what that entails? As far as power, I would like to see Felix be able to move the pile more. But it is not as though he can't get tough yards, he can. I would give the advantage to Foster, mostly out of pure size. But I wouldn't say that either of them are great, in the power category.

Lasty, it is Felix' ability to cut and go on a dime, hit full speed in a blink, and outrun DBs, that make me think he would do better than Foster, given the opportunity. Many of Fosters 10 yard runs would be 20+ yard runs for Felix.

LT: I agree, as far as this year. I would say you are likely right about next year too.

Greene: I will agree that Foster has produced more in their respective windows of opportunity. I don't agree that those windows have been equally advantages.

Stewart: You and I agree here.

Charles: If you are going to base everything on the opportunities the coaching staff offers, they didn't think much of Foster, almost forced to give him a shot. Even after putting up great numbers last season, they essentially drafted his replacement.
Didn't mean to sound accusatory (I think my choice of the word reek was probably a poor choice and sounded harsher than I was intending).In regards to the bolded:

- I can't say that I have any outright specific examples about Felix pertaining to anything I have said and I can't claim to have watched him to any super great extent. I have seen every game he has played this season, plus about 1/3 of the games he played last year. I can tell you that I have come away with the feeling that he leaves a LOT of yards on the field. He has the ability to get the corner or take a hole and churn a 30+ yard gain quickly. However, he misses holes, misses cutback lanes, and generally doesn't look like a player who is looking for anything except the home run shot (think Reggie Bush, only not as bad). He showed glimpses of breaking away from this mindset late last year and in the playoffs, but has seemed to rever to it in a big way this year. He is a player that impresses me with the 1 carry he will gain 35 yards on, but then is incredibly unimpressive on the other 9 carries where gains 2 yards, but should have had 6. Part of the problem is that he has never had the opportunity to have the job all to himself and therefor may simply be being held back by lack of opportunity and inability to get into the flow of the game. However, I think an equal part of the problem is he simply is not ready to do everything an every down back in the NFL needs to do. It REALLY tells me something when Jerry Jones is a believer and supporter of him and he STILL can't win over his coaching staff to take the feature role. That to me is a red flag, warning bell, or whatever other kind of warning sign you want to use. Much like Shonn Greene, Felix has had limited time to audition as a feature back. What people are missing is that Felix Jones, Shonn Greene, and Foster all had 3 games to show their stuff (Foster now has had 4). The only one of those 3 that presented a strong enough case to make his coach comfortable keeping him there was Foster (Marshawn Lynch just got traded for a 4th round pick. If Houston really felt concerned, it would have made sense to make a play considering they are a playoff contender).

- Jamaal Charles is a difficult case to judge. I can't say that I am not a believer in his talent...but then again I can't say that I am a believer either. I'm very much in wait and see mode with him. I certainly think he could be an elite player, but I think there is an equal chance he won't be an elite player. In other words, I truly have no idea. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like a situation that is going to clear itself up any time soon (if the Chiefs keep winning, Haley isn't going anywhere), so this is a murky situation even looking towards the future. In Foster, I at least know what I have now- an elite producer who is a top end RB1 this season. His future situation is equally murky. However, if I am considering 2 players who both have unsure futures, why wouldn't I choose the one that is performing like an elite player in the here and now? Choosing Charles just doesn't make sense, as you would be taking him with the hope that he will perform like Foster without gaining any more certainty in the future.

 
I don't see any way that Kubiak uses RBBC in the true sense of the word. Will Ward/ Slaton occasionally spell Foster ... sure, but Kubiak had a chance to give Ward/ Slaton plenty of carries against Indianapolis and he CHOSE not to do it. Ask yourself why?

Because ...

a) It was fun to see Foster shredding the Indy D

b) It is just plain exciting to see a RB go over 200 yards in a game

c) Continuity, momentum & energy can be sustained with the use of a single, primary RB

d) He does not have a history of losing the ball

e) The other RB's aren't even close to his talent

i) Ward couldn't secure the job in either NY or Tampa Bay

ii) Slaton was a one-hit wonder, a head-case & he cannot HOLD ONTO THE BALL

 

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