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Will Tom Brady's reputation suffer (1 Viewer)

It's highly likely Brady finishes his career with 4+ SB rings.
Define highly. Put a percentage on it. I'd put the odds at about 10%.
I'd be interested in why you only give Brady a 10% chance to win another SB. I guess maybe I would be interested in learning what other QBs you consider having a better chance to win a SB than Brady and why. If you are only allocating the top QBs a 10-15% chance to win, then that make a little more sense.The Pats won 14 games in a rebuilding year, have a lot of young and improving players, and have a stockpile of high draft picks this year. IMO, the Pats will end up being one of the favorites to win the SB each year for the next 4-5 years.
1. First off, that was off the top of my head. I didn't sit down and try to assign a percentage chance to every QB of winning another Super Bowl in their careers.2. Brady will be 34 when next season begins. He is out of his prime. Rodgers is still alive this year and is 6 years younger. Roethlisberger is still alive this year and is 5 years younger. Cutler is still alive this year and is 6 years younger. Sanchez is still alive this year and is 9 years younger. All of those guys are much more likely to win another Super Bowl in their careers than Brady is. So is Rivers (4 years younger). So is Brees (2 years younger). So is Ryan (8 years younger). Every one of those guys is on a playoff contending team and is younger than Brady. With the possible exception of Brees, all of them still have years left in their primes. IMO this is obvious and I'm surprised you would question it.3. That said, I don't think I'd assign anyone higher than maybe a 20% chance. Too much has to come together outside a QB's control.
Brady also had an MVP season this year at 33, so I am not so sure we can really say he is past his prime. Elway won twice when he was 37 and 38. I would be more concerned about a player whose numbers had really started falling off. Clearly Brady is not at that point (but admittedly the older he gets that likelihood will go up).
OK, fine. But his prime is going to end sooner than any other player I named.Just consider what people would have said about Brady's chances 5 years ago. It hasn't happened. I'm not saying it's necessarily his fault; there are a lot of factors. But it illustrates that percentages must necessarily be low.What would you estimate the percentage chance that Brady wins again to be at this point?
 
You are never really "likely" to win a championship. The Patriots won when they were dogs and lost when they were favorites, and not only in Super Bowls. They will have a good team, so they will have a chance. Which is really the best you can hope for, and not bad at all when you realize that year over year at least half the league has no chance.

 
Brady legacy wise, I think the biggest thing that would keep him from winning one more bowl is himself. I don't know how much he values getting to 4 or 5, and frankly, sometimes, he seems a bit detached and removed from it all. I would not be the least bit surprised to see him walk away altogether if Belichek left after an extended lockout. 35 years old, a mint in the back, a hot babe, your pick of TV jobs and a chance to live in NYC to do it. Why not, the skys the limit for him and he's proven all he can in football to a major extent. I would put the odds of that at about 15 percent, but I could see it happening. If he walked away tomorrow, he's already lived one of the all time NFL storybook lives. Maybe watching Favre fart around would be an eye opener.

 
It's highly likely Brady finishes his career with 4+ SB rings.
Define highly. Put a percentage on it. I'd put the odds at about 10%.
I think 10% is too low. The average playoff team in a given year has an 8.3% chance of winning the Super Bowl. The Patriots will make the playoffs with Brady probably another 4 or 5 times. If they make the playoffs with Brady another four times, and we give them an 8.3% chance at a ring each time, that gives Brady a ~30% shot at another ring.
 
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It's highly likely Brady finishes his career with 4+ SB rings.
Define highly. Put a percentage on it. I'd put the odds at about 10%.
I think 10% is too low. The average playoff team in a given year has an 8.3% chance of winning the Super Bowl. The Patriots will make the playoffs with Brady probably another 4 or 5 times. If they make the playoffs with Brady another four times, and we give them an 8.3% chance at a ring each time, that gives Brady a ~30% shot at another ring.
I think this is too simplified. For example:1. It is no given they make the playoffs 4 more times with Brady; it's a high percentage but not 100%.2. Brady could get hurt again and miss enough games that the Pats don't make the playoffs and/or he could miss the playoffs/Super Bowl. Sure, it's not likely, but it still lowers the percentage.3. I also think there is a non-zero chance he won't play 5 more seasons, which would lower the number.4. I also think there is a non-zero chance that Belichick is not the Pats' coach for 5 more seasons, which would lower the likelihood of making the playoffs and thus lower the number.Etc.
 
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I'm not a big fan of him or Peyton, but I don't the point of these threads. They are dumb in my opinion. How can their reputation suffer? They both have championships. Favre only has one. Marino has 0. Tarkenton has 0. All of these guys are in the HOF or are going. How can their reputation get tarnished by never winning another title? Everyone is entitled to an opinion and has their own. No one is right or wrong. These threads seem like huge fishing trips to get people worked up over nothing.
This is Switz idea of pay-back for people questioning Manning's legacy. He thinks he is clever.It is a bit embarrassing in my opinion.
Just thought if it was a legit question about Manning, it's a legit question about Brady.I counted 3 or 4 articles in today's news that focused on Brady's pitiful playoff performances the past few years, and how his "clutch" reputation is now overstated. Fact is, Manning and Brady will always be compared. Both are going to go down as all time greats. It will always be noted that Manning never had a great team around him (much like Marino). Brady is likely going to be seen as a guy whose team carried him to championships, and then when he got stat hungry, the team wasn't as successful.
No player in any sport wins every game, every post season, every "clutch" opportunity. I thought Brady had a terrible game. I don't pretend to know why. Last season, the loss of Welker may have been a big reason. The man has won 3 SBs. I'd take that in a heart beat. Now, I don't buy your rhetoric that the Colts never had a great team. Nor do I believe the Patriots have "carried" Brady. Comments like "when he got stat hungry" convince me of what I already thought... you are consumed with the Patriots. Any success somehow diminishes your beloved Colts and any failure is an opportunity for redemption.Get over it. Your a Colts fan. It is your right to hate everything non-Colts if you wish, but let's not bother the rest of the fantasy community with your life long mission.I'm a Dolphins fan.. have been since 1971. I saw the Patriots steal a game where a guy on release from prison ran a plow across the filed to clear a spot for a FG to beat Miami. Was I ticked? Sure.... but I outgrew it. The Dolphins have had rivalries with the Jets, Patriots, Raiders, & Chargers and lost SBs to Dallas, Washington and the 9ers. Maybe its an effect of having fantasy players from so many different teams but I just can't be a hater - without losing appreciation for many of the great players in the league today.
 
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1. First off, that was off the top of my head. I didn't sit down and try to assign a percentage chance to every QB of winning another Super Bowl in their careers.2. Brady will be 34 when next season begins. He is out of his prime. Rodgers is still alive this year and is 6 years younger. Roethlisberger is still alive this year and is 5 years younger. Cutler is still alive this year and is 6 years younger. Sanchez is still alive this year and is 9 years younger. All of those guys are much more likely to win another Super Bowl in their careers than Brady is. So is Rivers (4 years younger). So is Brees (2 years younger). So is Ryan (8 years younger). Every one of those guys is on a playoff contending team and is younger than Brady. With the possible exception of Brees, all of them still have years left in their primes. IMO this is obvious and I'm surprised you would question it.3. That said, I don't think I'd assign anyone higher than maybe a 20% chance. Too much has to come together outside a QB's control.
i think brady will play 5 more years at a high enough level to compete. 1/32x5=15%. but ofc, the brady is better than average, and bb is a genius at building a team and coaching it to perform at a high level. very important too, is that the pats are set up brilliantly for 2-5 years down the road with this current stockpile of draft picks. i dunno, id say brady is at least 50% to win another super bowl.
 
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1. First off, that was off the top of my head. I didn't sit down and try to assign a percentage chance to every QB of winning another Super Bowl in their careers.2. Brady will be 34 when next season begins. He is out of his prime. Rodgers is still alive this year and is 6 years younger. Roethlisberger is still alive this year and is 5 years younger. Cutler is still alive this year and is 6 years younger. Sanchez is still alive this year and is 9 years younger. All of those guys are much more likely to win another Super Bowl in their careers than Brady is. So is Rivers (4 years younger). So is Brees (2 years younger). So is Ryan (8 years younger). Every one of those guys is on a playoff contending team and is younger than Brady. With the possible exception of Brees, all of them still have years left in their primes. IMO this is obvious and I'm surprised you would question it.3. That said, I don't think I'd assign anyone higher than maybe a 20% chance. Too much has to come together outside a QB's control.
i think brady will play 5 more years at a high enough level to compete. 1/32x5=15%. but ofc, the brady is better than average, and bb is a genius at building a team and coaching it to perform at a high level. very important too, is that the pats are set up brilliantly for 2-5 years down the road with this current stockpile of draft picks. i dunno, id say brady is at least 50% to win another super bowl.
Brady's odds are going to go down considerably after the next two years - I'd put his chances at 35% (10+10+5+5+5).
 
IMO you guys are oversimplifying things here. As of right now, it seems reasonable that Sanchez will play another 12+ seasons. As of right now, his team has not failed to make the playoffs and looks like a likely playoff team year in, year out for the foreseeable future. If we just add up percentages, it would tell us he is 100% likely to win a Super Bowl (8.3% x 12 years, or 25+10+10+10+10+10+10+5+5+5+5+5+5, using two of the methods that have been posted here). Is that really what you guys think?

 
I'm not a big fan of him or Peyton, but I don't the point of these threads. They are dumb in my opinion. How can their reputation suffer? They both have championships. Favre only has one. Marino has 0. Tarkenton has 0. All of these guys are in the HOF or are going. How can their reputation get tarnished by never winning another title? Everyone is entitled to an opinion and has their own. No one is right or wrong. These threads seem like huge fishing trips to get people worked up over nothing.
This is Switz idea of pay-back for people questioning Manning's legacy. He thinks he is clever.It is a bit embarrassing in my opinion.
Just thought if it was a legit question about Manning, it's a legit question about Brady.I counted 3 or 4 articles in today's news that focused on Brady's pitiful playoff performances the past few years, and how his "clutch" reputation is now overstated.

Fact is, Manning and Brady will always be compared. Both are going to go down as all time greats. It will always be noted that Manning never had a great team around him (much like Marino). Brady is likely going to be seen as a guy whose team carried him to championships, and then when he got stat hungry, the team wasn't as successful.
No player in any sport wins every game, every post season, every "clutch" opportunity. I thought Brady had a terrible game. I don't pretend to know why. Last season, the loss of Welker may have been a big reason. The man has won 3 SBs. I'd take that in a heart beat. Now, I don't buy your rhetoric that the Colts never had a great team. Nor do I believe the Patriots have "carried" Brady. Comments like "when he got stat hungry" convince me of what I already thought... you are consumed with the Patriots. Any success somehow diminishes your beloved Colts and any failure is an opportunity for redemption.

Get over it. Your a Colts fan. It is your right to hate everything non-Colts if you wish, but let's not bother the rest of the fantasy community with your life long mission.

I'm a Dolphins fan.. have been since 1971. I saw the Patriots steal a game where a guy on release from prison ran a plow across the filed to clear a spot for a FG to beat Miami. Was I ticked? Sure.... but I outgrew it. The Dolphins have had rivalries with the Jets, Patriots, Raiders, & Chargers and lost SBs to Dallas, Washington and the 9ers. Maybe its an effect of having fantasy players from so many different teams but I just can't be a hater - without losing appreciation for many of the great players in the league today.
It's easy to believe what you already think, even though there's no evidence to support it. I'm not consumed by the Pats, I have no reason to be. Their success doesn't diminish the Colts, and frankly, I've been pretty consistent in thinking/believing the Pats are a great team with great coaching. I'd LOVE for the Colts to have a coach like Belicheck, his game planning is brilliant.As for your being a Miami fan, I like how you leave the Bills out of the rivalry, despite them owning Miami in the late 80's early 90's.

 
I'm not a big fan of him or Peyton, but I don't the point of these threads. They are dumb in my opinion. How can their reputation suffer? They both have championships. Favre only has one. Marino has 0. Tarkenton has 0. All of these guys are in the HOF or are going. How can their reputation get tarnished by never winning another title? Everyone is entitled to an opinion and has their own. No one is right or wrong. These threads seem like huge fishing trips to get people worked up over nothing.
This is Switz idea of pay-back for people questioning Manning's legacy. He thinks he is clever.It is a bit embarrassing in my opinion.
Just thought if it was a legit question about Manning, it's a legit question about Brady.I counted 3 or 4 articles in today's news that focused on Brady's pitiful playoff performances the past few years, and how his "clutch" reputation is now overstated.

Fact is, Manning and Brady will always be compared. Both are going to go down as all time greats. It will always be noted that Manning never had a great team around him (much like Marino). Brady is likely going to be seen as a guy whose team carried him to championships, and then when he got stat hungry, the team wasn't as successful.
No player in any sport wins every game, every post season, every "clutch" opportunity. I thought Brady had a terrible game. I don't pretend to know why. Last season, the loss of Welker may have been a big reason. The man has won 3 SBs. I'd take that in a heart beat. Now, I don't buy your rhetoric that the Colts never had a great team. Nor do I believe the Patriots have "carried" Brady. Comments like "when he got stat hungry" convince me of what I already thought... you are consumed with the Patriots. Any success somehow diminishes your beloved Colts and any failure is an opportunity for redemption.

Get over it. Your a Colts fan. It is your right to hate everything non-Colts if you wish, but let's not bother the rest of the fantasy community with your life long mission.

I'm a Dolphins fan.. have been since 1971. I saw the Patriots steal a game where a guy on release from prison ran a plow across the filed to clear a spot for a FG to beat Miami. Was I ticked? Sure.... but I outgrew it. The Dolphins have had rivalries with the Jets, Patriots, Raiders, & Chargers and lost SBs to Dallas, Washington and the 9ers. Maybe its an effect of having fantasy players from so many different teams but I just can't be a hater - without losing appreciation for many of the great players in the league today.
It's easy to believe what you already think, even though there's no evidence to support it. I'm not consumed by the Pats, I have no reason to be. Their success doesn't diminish the Colts, and frankly, I've been pretty consistent in thinking/believing the Pats are a great team with great coaching. I'd LOVE for the Colts to have a coach like Belicheck, his game planning is brilliant.As for your being a Miami fan, I like how you leave the Bills out of the rivalry, despite them owning Miami in the late 80's early 90's.
You provide the evidence. "He got stat hungry" pretty clearly states your opinion, doesn't it? If you're not bashing him you're pimping Felix Jones. Did I imagine that too?So, I left out the Bills? Over a forty year span you would like me to list every team the Dolphins have ever lost to? Oh, I get it... that was the "switz" attempt to put me down. You try to do that to a lot of people too. (It's rude by the way)

Even though Buffalo dominated the AFC for a few years, I don't recall the same level of animosity as the Jets or Chargers. And, as the AFC representative, I rooted for them in their SBs. Does that make me less of a Dolphin fan?

I apologize if I appear to be singling you out. Someone starts a "Is Flacco the answer" thread and we get a "Is Ryan the answer" and then a "Is Rodgers the answer" thread... While I think the Flacco thread may have been sincere, their spin-offs seem to be retaliatory and/or sarcastic. Same for this sequel to the Manning reputation thread. The number of "hater" threads is just too high. I though we weren't supposed to pee in the pool.

 
IMO you guys are oversimplifying things here. As of right now, it seems reasonable that Sanchez will play another 12+ seasons. As of right now, his team has not failed to make the playoffs and looks like a likely playoff team year in, year out for the foreseeable future. If we just add up percentages, it would tell us he is 100% likely to win a Super Bowl (8.3% x 12 years, or 25+10+10+10+10+10+10+5+5+5+5+5+5, using two of the methods that have been posted here). Is that really what you guys think?
cvnpoka got the right answer by using the wrong method and then rounding idiosyncratically: five years with a 1/32 chance in each really is about 15 percent: 1 - (1 - 1/32)^5 = 14.7%.cstu's 35% should actually be 1 - (0.9^2 * 0.95^3) = 30.6%.
 
Tom hasn't gotten it done in a long time, plus spygate, I would say his reputation as "clutch" is a sham anymore.

 
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Tom hasn't gotten it done in a long time, plus spygate, I would say his reputation as "clutch" is a sham.

After Joe Montana won his second SB ring, the 49ers went into a lull in the post season.Despite having regular seasons of 10-6, 10-5-1, and 13-2, SF went one-and-done for three straight seasons (85-86-87). In fact, the 49ers went 0-3 in the post season and were outscored 102-30.

Montana went on to win 2 more SB titles with the 49ers and many people think of him as the greatest EB ever and one of, if not the, premier post season QB.

 
Meanwhile, Mark Sanchez has now been victorious in 4 out of his first 5 playoff games. He has beaten Rivers, Manning and Brady in a span of two years(his first two). Much like Trent Dilfer proved, a stud QB is nice and shiny, and will fill up the seats at your home games. A defense is going to win you championships more times than not.
No. I remember back around 2003 when people used that argument, but it clearly doesn't apply now.Nearly every time, you NEED a franchise QB to win a championship. They're too important, and to rely on a mediocre QB with a great defense is almost never a good way to win a championship.Talk about Sanchez all you want, but I don't see any championships from him yet, so he doesn't prove anything. Look at the SB winners of the last 15 years, in order:AikmanFavreElwayElwayWarnerDilferBradyJohnsonBradyBradyRoethlisbergerPeyton ManningEli ManningRoethlisbergerBreesOther than Dilfer and Johnson, I see a lot of stud QB's, many of them current or future Hall of Famers.EDIT: Misread your post, I see what you're saying about defense over offense to win championships, and I agree that good defense should be the priority. But you still can't just have anyone back there at QB even with a great defense and expect to win a championship, you've got to have a stud QB too to be able to carry the team at times when the defense suffers and be clutch when it matters, at least.
 
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Seems like it's more and more evident when the Pats used Brady as just a game manager/Dilfer-type QB, they won, but no Super Bowl wins in 5 years, Brady has choked in the playoffs.., as his career goes on if they continue to struggle in the playoffs, will the credit Brady receives for the Pats bowls diminish? Will his reputation as clutch get tarnished?
First, I hate Brady and the Pats. Secondly, I have always thought Brady was a system QB. C, I thought he played very well against the Jets. His WR's were dropping balls like crazy and his line didn't do squat to help. This game cannot be used against him. But I will cheer when that truck hits him and his stupid dimple.
 
This thread is ridiculous. Brady and Manning are two of the greatest ever. Big Ben has a legit shot to join them. Switz and a few others are fishing.

If you want to read the book on how to damage your reputation you've got to take a look at what Favre has done.

1. Retire, unretire so many times nobody can keep up anymore.

2. Try to force your way onto the most hated division rival.

3. Call Detroit's GM to give him insider tips on how to beat the Packers.

4. Sexually harass a sideline reporter and numerous massage therapists.

5. Force the Jets into releasing you so you can go to the hated division rival.

6. Lose the NFC Championship game (2007, 2009) for two different franchises by throwing inexplicably bad picks at the end of both games.

7. Tell Julius Peppers to go beat the Packers after losing to the Bears in week 16, 2010.

After 2007, the Packers offered him 25 Million dollars to retire, and be a Packer for life. Instead he chose this route. That's what I call damaging your reputation.

Sorry for the hijack.
I believe you are forgetting about his rookie season with Atlanta.If Brady fails to win another championship and finishes his career at the age of 40 with the Jets then would the 2018 Tom Brady = 2010 Brett Favre? They both woul have gone their last 14 years without a title.

 
While I think the Flacco thread may have been sincere, their spin-offs seem to be retaliatory and/or sarcastic. Same for this sequel to the Manning reputation thread.
Bingo.The only reason this thread exists is because Switz nerves were struck in the Manning thread.KY
 
Tom Brady will be 34 next season. In the last ten years only Brad Johnson has won a superbowl being as old as that. I think its more likely he wins one as an older backup later in his career.

 
Tom Brady will be 34 next season. In the last ten years only Brad Johnson has won a superbowl being as old as that. I think its more likely he wins one as an older backup later in his career.

 

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