Will you get a Covid vaccine when available? (1 Viewer)

[fatness]

How is it that pediatrician’s offices can store the vaccine? I thought they needed special refrigerators.

Before mixing, it has to be stored at temps between -130°F and -76°F for it to last until the manufacturers expiration date. Few if any pediatric offices can do this.

However, before mixing it can be stored at temps between 36°F and 46°F for up to 1 month (31 days), temps that I believe many doctors' offices can achieve. Then it has to be discarded regardless of the manufacturers expiration date.

That's from Pfizer and the CDC.

If I'm wrong about this, someone please correct me. I do NOT want to be spreading any misinformation. Thanks.

See correction below by The Commish.

 

[fatness]

Fox news -- Prior infection doesn't protect as well as vaccine.

That's informative, thanks.

CDC researchers looked at data collected from more than 7,000 hospitalized adults, ages 18 and over, who had symptoms associated with COVID-19, in 187 hospitals throughout nine states. The researchers were comparing the early protection against COVID-19 developed from having a previous SARS-CoV-2 infection with that developed from receiving mRNA COVID-19 vaccines.

The researchers found, of the unvaccinated adults who had coronavirus at least 3 months prior to the new hospital admission, 8.7 percent tested positive for coronavirus again. Meanwhile, a lesser percent of those who were fully vaccinated with the mRNA vaccine (Pfizer or Moderna), and had no prior infection, 5.1 percent, tested positive for COVID-19,

The report stated that the "vaccine-induced immunity was more protective than infection-induced immunity against laboratory-confirmed COVID-19."

 

[Terminalxylem]

Im not saying he isn't nuts but as a person who isnt a blind follower and likes to ask questions and be informed before making a decision.... what is nuts about posting links to news articles about the negatives of the vaccine? 

It’s not productive to suggest people who’ve concluded vaccines work and pose little risk are blindly following anything. On the contrary, accepting some of the anti-vaxx rhetoric requires more a lot more faith than reason.

 

[The Commish]

Before mixing, it has to be stored at temps between -130°F and -76°F for it to last until the manufacturers expiration date. Few if any pediatric offices can do this.

However, before mixing it can be stored at temps between 36°F and 46°F for up to 1 month (31 days), temps that I believe many doctors' offices can achieve. Then it has to be discarded regardless of the manufacturers expiration date.

That's from Pfizer and the CDC.

If I'm wrong about this, someone please correct me. I do NOT want to be spreading any misinformation. Thanks.

They resolved the storage issue months ago.  Standard equipment can now safely keep these vaccines and for periods much longer than previously predicted.  They also made a change to the 5-11 cocktail to allow it to be stored in the fridge for 10 weeks.  

 

[Joe Bryant]

1. Either unnecessary risk-taker or misinformed

2. I personally don't think you can look at the facts and then conclude that it's not in your and others best interest for you to get it UNLESS you have a medical reason not to.  However, I'm still more in the camp of the government not having mandates for all.  Employers, business, limiting what you can do, incentives, etc. - I'm in favor of all of that.  But if you are a hermit in Montana that doesn't want the vaccine I don't think anybody should hold you down and give you the vaccine. 

HOWEVER, and I pointed this out before - I truly feel like almost all of us would be in favor of vaccine mandates if the virus/disease in question was bad enough.  I said before that I'm of the opinion that Covid almost threaded the needle for being just deadly enough to really screw over almost everyone while not being deadly enough to really force the hands of most governments.  It's almost like it knew how deadly it needed to be to kill an "optimal" amount of people.  I think if the IFR was 5x, 10, 20x higher people wouldn't debate mandates.  Just my 2 cents.

This is an excellent question and an excellent answer. Even if I don't completely agree.

This was the question:

So let’s say I wasn’t vaccinated….

1) What is the first adjective that you would use to describe me?

2) Lets say that I kept an open mind, looked at all the facts and ultimately decided that I still did not want to get the vaccine. What would you say to me? How would you feel about me?

I appreciate the answer to "what is the first adjective that you would use to describe" the person but disagree that most people would use "Either unnecessary risk-taker or misinformed". In my experience having seen some of this personally, the descriptions would be more like "Idiot" or "WTF is wrong with you" or "Selfish jerk" or "MAGA imbecile" or much worse. That instant knee jerk assuming the worst of others. I have a close friend who's young adult child had severe reactions and he was terrified of people in the community even hearing he was remotely concerned about the vaccine. 

For question #2 on what would people think of a person who did their research and concluded not to take the vaccine, I think the responses would be much worse. More like "willfully ignorant science denier" at best. I've seen that as well. 

For the last point, I do think you're right that opinions would be different if the virus was "bad enough". People care more when the negative effects are closer to them. Be it vaccines or security systems if their home is robbed. It's only natural. And I agree with you that this virus was right in the needle thread spot. 

Thanks for the civil discussion. 

 

[Alex P Keaton]

This is an excellent question and an excellent answer. Even if I don't completely agree.

This was the question:

I appreciate the answer to "what is the first adjective that you would use to describe" the person but disagree that most people would use "Either unnecessary risk-taker or misinformed". In my experience having seen some of this personally, the descriptions would be more like "Idiot" or "WTF is wrong with you" or "Selfish jerk" or "MAGA imbecile" or much worse. That instant knee jerk assuming the worst of others. I have a close friend who's young adult child had severe reactions and he was terrified of people in the community even hearing he was remotely concerned about the vaccine. 

For question #2 on what would people think of a person who did their research and concluded not to take the vaccine, I think the responses would be much worse. More like "willfully ignorant science denier" at best. I've seen that as well. 

For the last point, I do think you're right that opinions would be different if the virus was "bad enough". People care more when the negative effects are closer to them. Be it vaccines or security systems if their home is robbed. It's only natural. And I agree with you that this virus was right in the needle thread spot. 

Thanks for the civil discussion. 

This is a really good reply and not surprising coming from you Joe.   I’m not immune to generic knee jerk reactions — but I’ve also had close friends who can’t get vaccinated for health reasons.  And they are afraid to admit it out loud for fear of judgment.  
 

Flip side (which I admitted above in this thread) I have a cousin who didn’t get vaccinated because Covid was fake and anyone who follows Fauci is just one of the sheep.   She has a daughter with a serious heart condition.  Who is clearly high risk.   Daughter got Covid and was really, really sick.  Hospitalized for days.  She’s ok now (amen) but……that was beyond an unnecessary risk.  So yeah, I think my cousin is a moron.   She claims that her doctor told her “vaccines aren’t really proven or necessary for your family”, but I really doubt that is what any credentialed medical doctor told her.  
 

Anyway, thanks for your comments.  My kids and I have been talking about giving people grace — even people we vehemently disagree with — and it’s a hard thing to do.   Harder for me than for a pair of 13 year olds sometimes.

 

[Joe Bryant]

This is a really good reply and not surprising coming from you Joe.   I’m not immune to generic knee jerk reactions — but I’ve also had close friends who can’t get vaccinated for health reasons.  And they are afraid to admit it out loud for fear of judgment.  
 

Flip side (which I admitted above in this thread) I have a cousin who didn’t get vaccinated because Covid was fake and anyone who follows Fauci is just one of the sheep.   She has a daughter with a serious heart condition.  Who is clearly high risk.   Daughter got Covid and was really, really sick.  Hospitalized for days.  She’s ok now (amen) but……that was beyond an unnecessary risk.  So yeah, I think my cousin is a moron.   She claims that her doctor told her “vaccines aren’t really proven or necessary for your family”, but I really doubt that is what any credentialed medical doctor told her.  
 

Anyway, thanks for your comments.  My kids and I have been talking about giving people grace — even people we vehemently disagree with — and it’s a hard thing to do.   Harder for me than for a pair of 13 year olds sometimes.

Thank you Alex. You're very kind. 

With you totally on how difficult grace is to give. And empathy. And clear, the people matter. It's one thing when a person does something that puts a daughter at risk. It feels different when the daughter is related or close to you. Totally get it. 

Grace is a challenge for sure. Thanks for the thoughtful post. 

 

[AAABatteries]

This is an excellent question and an excellent answer. Even if I don't completely agree.

This was the question:

I appreciate the answer to "what is the first adjective that you would use to describe" the person but disagree that most people would use "Either unnecessary risk-taker or misinformed". In my experience having seen some of this personally, the descriptions would be more like "Idiot" or "WTF is wrong with you" or "Selfish jerk" or "MAGA imbecile" or much worse. That instant knee jerk assuming the worst of others. I have a close friend who's young adult child had severe reactions and he was terrified of people in the community even hearing he was remotely concerned about the vaccine. 

For question #2 on what would people think of a person who did their research and concluded not to take the vaccine, I think the responses would be much worse. More like "willfully ignorant science denier" at best. I've seen that as well. 

For the last point, I do think you're right that opinions would be different if the virus was "bad enough". People care more when the negative effects are closer to them. Be it vaccines or security systems if their home is robbed. It's only natural. And I agree with you that this virus was right in the needle thread spot. 

Thanks for the civil discussion. 

Thanks Joe but just to be clear, he asked how we would describe him, not how we thought most other people would describe him.  I would have given a different answer there - so you and I are in agreement that generally speaking people wouldn’t be as diplomatic in their answer.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Thanks Joe but just to be clear, he asked how we would describe him, not how we thought most other people would describe him.  I would have given a different answer there - so you and I are in agreement that generally speaking people wouldn’t be as diplomatic in their answer.

I fully understood. I think many in this forum would at least privately describe him like that and differ from you. Few will say it while I'm preaching grace and empathy, but I think that's reality. 

 

[AAABatteries]

I fully understood. I think many in this forum would at least privately describe him like that and differ from you. Few will say it while I'm preaching grace and empathy, but I think that's reality. 

I’m very grateful my internal monologue is not open for public consumption.  Seems like nowadays folks decide to post theirs on social media.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

it's a rough question.

internally i go to idiot most frequently.  externally i attempt to give them the benefit of the doubt.  but, if it's compounded with "i did my own research"  i'm right back to idiot or moron.  if there's a legitimate health reason, fine.  but i don't buy into the religious exemption bit.  it's too similar to i did my own research.

take aaron rodgers.  he made a choice.  a selfish one.  he attempted to deflect/deceive the media(understandable) and now his team is paying the price.  i hope the team has some recourse and doesn't have to pay him.  i'd be pissed if i were on the packers.  especially if it turns into 2 games and they lose either of them.  

 

[beer 30]

Won't be a tough question much longer, from an industry newsletter but I'm sure it's all over the place. I know it's not the popular opinion in this thread but this is the kind of slippery slope we can't go down without significant impact to the workforce.

OSHA issues new emergency temporary COVID standard

Today the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) released a new emergency temporary standard (ETS) to protect more than 84 million workers from the spread of the coronavirus (COVID-19) while on the job.

Under this standard, covered employers must develop, implement and enforce a mandatory COVID-19 vaccination policy, unless they adopt a policy requiring employees to choose to either be vaccinated or undergo regular COVID-19 testing and wear a face covering at work.

 

[fatness]

So let’s say I wasn’t vaccinated….

1) What is the first adjective that you would use to describe me?

2) Lets say that I kept an open mind, looked at all the facts and ultimately decided that I still did not want to get the vaccine. What would you say to me? How would you feel about me?

1. None. I'd need to know why someone is not vaccinated to have an informed reaction. Some people are immunocompromised and it's dangerous for them to be vaccinated. Some people are under the age of 15 and can't get a parent's permission to get vaccinated. Some people literally have no way to get themselves to a vaccination facility (homeless people, disabled people, etc.). Some people literally have no good source of information about vaccinations, and only get what they hear from family or friends. Some people are driven by conspiracy-type thinking and want to feel they're part of an in-group that knows what most others don't know -- in this case that the vaccine is bad (in their mind), Some people are driven by politics, and would reverse their opinion on being vaccinated if Trump was still president and was promoting as hard as Biden is. I'd have different words to describe them once I knew why they weren't vaccinated.

Examples: I have 2 sisters, both of whom were not vaccinated 6 months ago. One was willing to talk to me about it and to listen, would tell me what she heard about it but would listen to information I gave her to dispel things she heard that were just false. She still held out, but the day Pfizer got full approval she got vaccinated. Her entire circle of frieds and anti-vax, that's where she got the bad information. The other sister won't talk to me about it in any rational way. She just throws political accusations and "I read this on Facebook" as her reasons for not getting vaccinated. The first sister I'd call "honestly misinformed" -- nobody around her was giving her good information about vaccination and she didn't know where to look for it herself. The second sister I'd call "voluntary idiot".

2. I'd ask you what you learned that made you decide not to get vaccinated, and go from there.

 

[E-Z Glider]

this is the kind of slippery slope we can't go down without significant impact to the workforce.

There's a local manufacturing company (German owned) we do contract work for that employs about 200 people (mostly clue-collar). In September they implemented a vaccine mandate that took effect 11/1. At that time, 30% of their workforce was unvaccinated. People were pissed and the talk around the water cooler was that they would ban together and refuse the vaccine. Come 11/1, they had 2 employees that quit over it. The rest got it. There a lots of similar stories out there. There are no stories of massive amounts of people quitting their jobs over a mandate.

I can only assume that even less will be willing to quit now. Where else are they going to go work? Its one of the first questions we're asking all new applicants. Anti-vaxxer resumes get tossed right in the can. They do us no good.

 

[Dezbelief]

How is it that pediatrician’s offices can store the vaccine? I thought they needed special refrigerators.

In addition to the good posts above I would add pediatrician offices are where most children receive the majority of their vaccinations. They already have trained staff and storage. 

 

[beer 30]

There's a local manufacturing company (German owned) we do contract work for that employs about 200 people (mostly clue-collar). In September they implemented a vaccine mandate that took effect 11/1. At that time, 30% of their workforce was unvaccinated. People were pissed and the talk around the water cooler was that they would ban together and refuse the vaccine. Come 11/1, they had 2 employees that quit over it. The rest got it. There a lots of similar stories out there. There are no stories of massive amounts of people quitting their jobs over a mandate.

I can only assume that even less will be willing to quit now. Where else are they going to go work? Its one of the first questions we're asking all new applicants. Anti-vaxxer resumes get tossed right in the can. They do us no good.

I hope that's the case, I'm all for vaccines, not a big fan of mandates forcing people to get them.

My company is in a similar situation. The CEO stated on a company call we will not mandate vaccines. About 40% of our work force is unvaccinated, roughly 6400. That's a lot of folks we simply can't replace if they decide to take a stand. I don't anticipate they all will when the rubber meets the road but even a 500 will have significant impact on our business as we can't fill the 1700 open positions we have now.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I hope that's the case, I'm all for vaccines, not a big fan of mandates forcing people to get them.

My company is in a similar situation. The CEO stated on a company call we will not mandate vaccines. About 40% of our work force is unvaccinated, roughly 6400. That's a lot of folks we simply can't replace if they decide to take a stand. I don't anticipate they all will when the rubber meets the road but even a 500 will have significant impact on our business as we can't fill the 1700 open positions we have now.

As a large employer, won't you be mandated via OSHA now starting Jan 4?

 

[Dezbelief]

So let’s say I wasn’t vaccinated….

1) What is the first adjective that you would use to describe me?

2) Lets say that I kept an open mind, looked at all the facts and ultimately decided that I still did not want to get the vaccine. What would you say to me? How would you feel about me?

I am in a conservative city in Texas and exposed to the general public through my job.

1. I think idiot to myself. 

2. I would try once to change your mind and if unsuccessful I would shrug my shoulders. 

I have convinced a few people to get the shot, some were misinformed or unaware. I have been unsuccessful exponentially more times than successful. I mask up at work and try to keep everyone as safe as I can from the virus regardless of their opinions. 

 

[E-Z Glider]

I hope that's the case, I'm all for vaccines, not a big fan of mandates forcing people to get them.

My company is in a similar situation. The CEO stated on a company call we will not mandate vaccines. About 40% of our work force is unvaccinated, roughly 6400. That's a lot of folks we simply can't replace if they decide to take a stand. I don't anticipate they all will when the rubber meets the road but even a 500 will have significant impact on our business as we can't fill the 1700 open positions we have now.

It will be fascinating to see how it all plays out. Everyone was certain that this manufacturing company was going to lose a large percentage of their workforce come 11/1. I even thought that maybe they were doing it intentionally. Like they were looking for an easy way to get leaner. In the end, it was all much ado about nothing.

I also read an interesting theory the other day about the rising trend of people quitting their jobs when they have nothing else lined up. It was basically saying that so many people have died from Covid that there's been a tremendous transfer of money. People who otherwise would not have been in a position to leave their jobs are now able to because someone in their family died unexpectedly and left them money. Hadnt really thought about that before.

 

[beer 30]

As a large employer, won't you be mandated via OSHA now starting Jan 4?

Yea sure, makes it easy from managements standpoint, will be interesting to see how many put their money where their mouth is.

It will be fascinating to see how it all plays out. Everyone was certain that this manufacturing company was going to lose a large percentage of their workforce come 11/1. I even thought that maybe they were doing it intentionally. Like they were looking for an easy way to get leaner. In the end, it was all much ado about nothing.

I also read an interesting theory the other day about the rising trend of people quitting their jobs when they have nothing else lined up. It was basically saying that so many people have died from Covid that there's been a tremendous transfer of money. People who otherwise would not have been in a position to leave their jobs are now able to because someone in their family died unexpectedly and left them money. Hadnt really thought about that before.

Wow, I was wondering how so many are simply not working now. Had never considered that. Crazy stuff, thanks for planting that seed.

 

[BigJim®]

Wow, I was wondering how so many are simply not working now. Had never considered that. Crazy stuff, thanks for planting that seed.

Grand scheme I'd call it a loss of wealth if one chooses to stop earning his/her own independent money & squander money that would have been received further down the road. Some cases it may make sense, but depends on lifestyle expectation and re-employment capability.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Grand scheme I'd call it a loss of wealth if one chooses to stop earning his/her own independent money & squander money that would have been received further down the road. Some cases it may make sense, but depends on lifestyle expectation and re-employment capability.

A friend of mine a few years ago inherited something like $60k from his aunt. He stopped working for a while. So I can see this — crazy to me though. Like that isn’t life changing money. 

 

[Maelstrom]

Don't know if this is allowed, I'll delete if not. I heard a new false claim yesterday (obviously bunk) - apparently a certain politician said that Cormirnaty (Pfizer vaccine brand name) is not the same vaccine as has been tested or distributed to date. So there isn't any "tested vaccines" that have FDA approval (because in this theory, Cormiraty has not been tested) and the Pfizer vaccine is still in EUA. (Just want to say for the record, Cormiraty and the Pfizer vaccine are the exact same formulation, this is all just a semantic play.)

Plenty of fact checks about this, but I can't believe this was anything other than a intentional act of misinformation by that politician. But it's stuff like this that, while easily disproved, is pushed through social media, certain cable networks and add to the doubt and confusion that is out there. Its really sad. I don't know how you police actual bad actors. I know the free speech argument is to speak louder, but there's a lot of studies showing the very act of "fact checking" tends to reinforce misinformation. I'm just baffled by stuff like this, I don't see the actual end game.

 

[fatness]

Plenty of fact checks about this, but I can't believe this was anything other than a intentional act of misinformation by that politician. But it's stuff like this that, while easily disproved, is pushed through social media, certain cable networks and add to the doubt and confusion that is out there.

There is soooooo much of this going on now. Intentional lies, instantly repeated by waves of people ignoring valid information and looking for their in-group way to make things worse while feeling righteous.

 

[Maelstrom]

There is soooooo much of this going on now. Intentional lies, instantly repeated by waves of people ignoring valid information and looking for their in-group way to make things worse while feeling righteous.

Yup and each group going down the rabbit hole twists it - a word here, or there, and makes it worse and more extreme the farther down there you go.

 

[Terminalxylem]

It will be fascinating to see how it all plays out. Everyone was certain that this manufacturing company was going to lose a large percentage of their workforce come 11/1. I even thought that maybe they were doing it intentionally. Like they were looking for an easy way to get leaner. In the end, it was all much ado about nothing.

I also read an interesting theory the other day about the rising trend of people quitting their jobs when they have nothing else lined up. It was basically saying that so many people have died from Covid that there's been a tremendous transfer of money. People who otherwise would not have been in a position to leave their jobs are now able to because someone in their family died unexpectedly and left them money. Hadnt really thought about that before.

These are two really interesting points.

I can definitely imagine employers using mandates as a tool to facilitate offloading personnel, then rallying those remaining to “pitch in” (read: do extra work for the same pay) to offset losses.

And somebody already mentioned life ins claims are up, plus I’m sure a few of the nearly 1 million excess dead people have left inheritance.

 

[Terminalxylem]

Don't know if this is allowed, I'll delete if not. I heard a new false claim yesterday (obviously bunk) - apparently a certain politician said that Cormirnaty (Pfizer vaccine brand name) is not the same vaccine as has been tested or distributed to date. So there isn't any "tested vaccines" that have FDA approval (because in this theory, Cormiraty has not been tested) and the Pfizer vaccine is still in EUA. (Just want to say for the record, Cormiraty and the Pfizer vaccine are the exact same formulation, this is all just a semantic play.)

Plenty of fact checks about this, but I can't believe this was anything other than a intentional act of misinformation by that politician. But it's stuff like this that, while easily disproved, is pushed through social media, certain cable networks and add to the doubt and confusion that is out there. Its really sad. I don't know how you police actual bad actors. I know the free speech argument is to speak louder, but there's a lot of studies showing the very act of "fact checking" tends to reinforce misinformation. I'm just baffled by stuff like this, I don't see the actual end game.

It works, and at least one of the PSF regulars is regurgitating that nonsense.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

Don't know if this is allowed, I'll delete if not. I heard a new false claim yesterday (obviously bunk) - apparently a certain politician said that Cormirnaty (Pfizer vaccine brand name) is not the same vaccine as has been tested or distributed to date. So there isn't any "tested vaccines" that have FDA approval (because in this theory, Cormiraty has not been tested) and the Pfizer vaccine is still in EUA. (Just want to say for the record, Cormiraty and the Pfizer vaccine are the exact same formulation, this is all just a semantic play.)

Plenty of fact checks about this, but I can't believe this was anything other than a intentional act of misinformation by that politician. But it's stuff like this that, while easily disproved, is pushed through social media, certain cable networks and add to the doubt and confusion that is out there. Its really sad. I don't know how you police actual bad actors. I know the free speech argument is to speak louder, but there's a lot of studies showing the very act of "fact checking" tends to reinforce misinformation. I'm just baffled by stuff like this, I don't see the actual end game.

A couple weeks ago a social media friend posted a meme that was the quote this politician said. There were already probably a dozen comments "shocked that someone lied about Covid" "you never know what to believe" etc. I admit it did give me pause. But like you said, a quick google search found many rebuttals/fact checks saying it was BS. I picked out the best one and posted it on said friend's post.  Not a single person reacted or replied to it. Not one. Smh.

 

[fatness]

I also read an interesting theory the other day about the rising trend of people quitting their jobs when they have nothing else lined up. It was basically saying that so many people have died from Covid that there's been a tremendous transfer of money. People who otherwise would not have been in a position to leave their jobs are now able to because someone in their family died unexpectedly and left them money. Hadnt really thought about that before.

That sounds more belief-driven than data-driven to me. Not sure how well it fits with the current jobs report.

 

[The Commish]

Don't know if this is allowed, I'll delete if not. I heard a new false claim yesterday (obviously bunk) - apparently a certain politician said that Cormirnaty (Pfizer vaccine brand name) is not the same vaccine as has been tested or distributed to date. So there isn't any "tested vaccines" that have FDA approval (because in this theory, Cormiraty has not been tested) and the Pfizer vaccine is still in EUA. (Just want to say for the record, Cormiraty and the Pfizer vaccine are the exact same formulation, this is all just a semantic play.)

Plenty of fact checks about this, but I can't believe this was anything other than a intentional act of misinformation by that politician. But it's stuff like this that, while easily disproved, is pushed through social media, certain cable networks and add to the doubt and confusion that is out there. Its really sad. I don't know how you police actual bad actors. I know the free speech argument is to speak louder, but there's a lot of studies showing the very act of "fact checking" tends to reinforce misinformation. I'm just baffled by stuff like this, I don't see the actual end game.

At BEST it's an effort to avoid acknowledging one was wrong and lead astray by misinformation.  At WORST....well, that requires comment that would likely be considered ban worthy.  

 

[skol asylum]

Getting boosted on Sunday after the early games. 

#thricevaxxed #teampfizer

 

[matuski]

It’s not productive to suggest people who’ve concluded vaccines work and pose little risk are blindly following anything. On the contrary, accepting some of the anti-vaxx rhetoric requires more a lot more faith than reason.

Depends on the person right?

If a child is the target of the rhetotric... what is the rhetoric worth?

They weren't at risk prior to nor after the fact.

 

[matuski]

Getting boosted on Sunday after the early games. 

#thricevaxxed #teampfizer

This is how you lose the public

 

[Navin Johnson]

So dumb, so freaking dumb 

What effective vaxx in the past did you need 3 shots in a year?  

Hepatitis B

Rotavirus

Tetanus

Haemophilus influenza

Pneumococcal conjugate

 

[IC FBGCav]

Hepatitis B

Rotavirus

Tetanus

Haemophilus influenza

Pneumococcal conjugate

So you got 3 tetanus in a year?  Explains your response.  Next.

 

[IC FBGCav]

CDC will not state their percent of vaccination of employees. Wtf.

 

[Terminalxylem]

So dumb, so freaking dumb 

What effective vaxx in the past did you need 3 shots in a year?  

Many, as mentioned above. Childhood vaccination schedule

It’s OK not to know that off-hand. But calling the concept dumb isn’t helping your credibility here.

 

[Terminalxylem]

So you got 3 tetanus in a year?  Explains your response.  Next.

It’s actually three in 6 months. Same link I just posted.

 

[IC FBGCav]

It’s actually three in 6 months. Same link I just posted.

What?

 

[IC FBGCav]

Many, as mentioned above. Childhood vaccination schedule

It’s OK not to know that off-hand. But calling the concept dumb isn’t helping your credibility here.

Who the hell said kids.  Quit trying to fit your agenda.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Who the hell said kids.  Quit trying to fit your agenda.

what agenda?  you asked and were answered.  some vaccinations are multiple doses.  at WHATEVER age they're given.  i just got my second shingles shot.  in 3 months.  GASP!!!!  oh noes!!!  the scientists must be ####### #######, because i needed more than one!!!  they must not know what they're doing because i had to have more than one shot.  gtfo

 

[Terminalxylem]

Who the hell said kids.  Quit trying to fit your agenda.

It’s OK to admit you were wrong.

And BTW, adults lacking primary immunization often take a “ catch up” series similar to the children’s schedule.

Consider tetanus, for example (Same source.)

Previously did not receive primary vaccination series for tetanus, diphtheria, or pertussis: At least 1 dose Tdap followed by 1 dose Td or Tdap at least 4 weeks after Tdap and another dose Td or Tdap 6–12 months after last Td or Tdap (Tdap can be substituted for any Td dose, but preferred as first dose); Td or Tdap every 10 years thereafter

That’s right, an adult lacking prior immunity to tetanus should take not one, not two…but THREE tetanus shots in less than ONE YEAR. 

 For the love of god, please make an attempt to educate yourself, before calling something dumb, or accusing people of having an agenda. 

 

[Terminalxylem]

Depends on the person right?

If a child is the target of the rhetotric... what is the rhetoric worth?

They weren't at risk prior to nor after the fact.

Who the hell said kids.  Quit trying to fit your agenda.

 

[Terminalxylem]

what agenda?  you asked and were answered.  some vaccinations are multiple doses.  at WHATEVER age they're given.  i just got my second shingles shot.  in 3 months.  GASP!!!!  oh noes!!!  the scientists must be ####### #######, because i needed more than one!!!  they must not know what they're doing because i had to have more than one shot.  gtfo

It’s almost as if some posters aren’t interested in challenging their worldview. Breathtakingly arrogant.

 

[The Commish]

The talking points are dwindling and the natives are getting restless   

 

[Terminalxylem]

The talking points are dwindling and the natives are getting restless   

I especially enjoy the drive-by non-sequiturs, followed by *crickets* for a bit before returning with a slightly different flavor of illogical outrage.

 

[Navin Johnson]

So you got 3 tetanus in a year?  Explains your response.  Next.

Next what?

 

[RCon]

The talking points are dwindling and the natives are getting restless   

Are you reading the same thread I am?  Despite the talking points being proved wrong over and over and over and over, they keep trotting them out there.

 

[The Commish]

Are you reading the same thread I am?  Despite the talking points being proved wrong over and over and over and over, they keep trotting them out there.

You're speaking of accuracy.  I'm simply pointing out they are being removed one by one.  The more they double down, the less accurate they become.

 

[BigJim®]

Quit trying to fit your agenda.

^ This is precious.