Sabertooth
Footballguy
Because he went nigh nigh on the field for a good 20 seconds last night.
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William Powell (1 Viewer)
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Max Power
Footballguy
Williams claims he didn't black out, but he sure looked it.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
BIG bump up today - see Ryan Williams thread
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
It should be interesting to see how this plays out. Correct me if im wrong, but arent the skill sets of Powell and LSH very similar? Smith may be the dark horse here. Regardless, theyll all be splitting touches behind one of the worst OLs in the leauge.
packersfan
Footballguy
Stephens-Howling got the start in Week 17 last season when Beanie was hurt and rushed for 93 yards on 21 carries.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I don't care how talented this kid is...
If he has a good season behind that offensive line, skip the 5-year waiting period and put him in the Hall of Fame in January.
If he has a good season behind that offensive line, skip the 5-year waiting period and put him in the Hall of Fame in January.
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
has there ever been a more under the radar potential starting RB in the history of FF? Major fantasy sites almost act like he doesn't exist
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I need to see it. I don't think you understand just how bad his line is. Williams was getting hit 5 yards behind the LOS.
Rick James
Footballguy
welp, that just about does 'er. Staying away from ARI rushing game for 2012.
Sake-Bombers
Footballguy
So the majority opinion on this guy seemed to be "intriguing stash" before Williams injury and is now "stay away" after Williams injury.
Gotta love the Shark Pool.
Gotta love the Shark Pool.
Bruce Hammond
Footballguy
WP1k baby! WP0.5k? WPnot.ok?
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
Haha. I know.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Williams was a pretty well mentioned name too once.Honestly, no way to tell what's happening here?Goes from:- Wells & Williams, to- Powell best RB in preseason, who gets hurt immediately, then Smith comes in, but he does nothing, and - Oh yes old familiar LSH who never gets mentioned but seems to do pretty well when given a chance.Now.... go.
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the coaches have been reticent to use him in a role with a legit workload. beanie was hurt many other times and he split with alphonso. now rotoworld is reporting the coaches dont want him to get 15 touches. i do agree the guy has been electric at times and made huge plays. i was speaking more to his opportunity than his skills and abilities. im no scout.eta, lsh is proly worth a shot but i think id prefer powell slightly.
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bonesman
Footballguy
It makes sense though. Things change fast in the NFL.
Maybe they are still hoping to pick him up on waivers.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
No, you are just seeing the vocal minority with the "stay away" response.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I didn't get that post either. It's just dissenting opinions, which you'll see in any thread. Now if you can find an example of a particular person who liked Powell before the Williams injury and then changed his mind after the Williams injury, then the post has merit.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
Powell is a better runner and eventually a three down back but the Hyphen is still a better pass blocker and receiverSmith had his moments last year - just not enough of them for the Cards to keep him esp thinking that Wells and Williams would be their duo with the Hyphen filling in and with Powell developing until needed next year
Sake-Bombers
Footballguy
Just seems like the majority of posts early in this thread were positive and the tide had definitely turned to the point that even with a good chance of him starting the majority of opinions seems to be negative about him. I'm not lookong at any posters in particular, just the general consensus. I do think both may come from the vocal minority, too, I like that explanation.And yes, I agree that things change and that Cards running game looked bad, but it certainly seems that the Powell discussion is a good example of how many often overvalue potential and undervalue opportunity.
kegger
Footballguy
I think the main change is just basically there offensive line blows (really bad).
(no one realized early on this line was going to be that bad)
If there line was even decent an the others got hurt many would be all over Powell.
I mean even Kevin Kolb would be pretty decent, but you can not even use him either.
That's how I see it..
(no one realized early on this line was going to be that bad)
If there line was even decent an the others got hurt many would be all over Powell.
I mean even Kevin Kolb would be pretty decent, but you can not even use him either.
That's how I see it..
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
The o-line may be bad, but beanie was clearly not the RB he was last year and RWill is just not that good
Captain Hook
Footballguy
Levi Brown - huge loss given size/system/experience ... I know a lot of people in the valley were down on him .... at least until they saw what they had to replace him withSTILL think the Cardinals should have taken an OL instead of Floyd OR traded up later to get one
The OL is really bad but Ryan Williams wasn't much better. He admits now that his knee is still bothering him and that it felt like the knee of a 60 year old each morning. He clearly had no burst whatsoever and was part of the problem. It seemed his first step was really really slow and he needed open field to do any damage but couldn't create anything at all on his own.
The big question I have is what is going on with Powell. It was reported he sustained a head injury in the last game which explains why he didn't play at all in the second half but really there is no more news coming out about his status. The fact the Cardinals haven't signed a running back yet would seem to indicate he is OK though.
Powell did show more burst than Williams did when he got some time at the end of the half and it looks like he has potential. However, Howlings will likely retake the third down role that Powell was getting the last 2 weeks. My guess is Powell will take over the Williams role and Howlings will regain his old role.
In the longrun the CArdinals RB's are probably a situation to avoid but this week against Buffalo is a tempting matchup.
The big question I have is what is going on with Powell. It was reported he sustained a head injury in the last game which explains why he didn't play at all in the second half but really there is no more news coming out about his status. The fact the Cardinals haven't signed a running back yet would seem to indicate he is OK though.
Powell did show more burst than Williams did when he got some time at the end of the half and it looks like he has potential. However, Howlings will likely retake the third down role that Powell was getting the last 2 weeks. My guess is Powell will take over the Williams role and Howlings will regain his old role.
In the longrun the CArdinals RB's are probably a situation to avoid but this week against Buffalo is a tempting matchup.
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Btw, Jason LaCAnfora tweeted that Hightower is about 2 weeks from being healthy from his latest knee scope. If that holds out to be true there is little doubt he will be signed soon and probably would immediately jump into a feature role(when healthy) if he signs in Arizona where he knows the system. However, if the Cardinals drag their feet too much on signing him perhaps the Pack will beat them to it as it would seem he would be a great fit there too. The shark pick this week might be Hightower if you can hold onto him.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Honestly SQ, if you don't know a lot about the make up of the OL, I wouldn't write this. They have the worst statistical offense of any team in the NFL by a Boston mile and a whole lot of stink starts with the 5 guys upfront. Do you watch the games? I don't mean it in a way where I am saying I know more than you but if you have a chance, if you subscribe to NFL rewind, my gawd man these guys are getting blown back into the backfield at the point of attack. I don't think Wells, Williams, or anyone could find a lot of yards with this group right now. They let Cameron Wake rack up 5 sacks in 1 game. And they aren't much better at trying to run block.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Choo choo?
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
With bye weeks and injuries I am forced to start him.Might as well get on the train now. At the very least hoping he catches 4 or 5 check down passes.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
After watching what Powell did before he went out with the head injury again last week, I'm liking his prospects more. Although the sample size with tiny 1/7/0 and 3/20/0, he looked leagues better than Williams to me on each touch. If he hadn't exited the game, I'm betting we would be having different conversations about him right now.
bakes
I am the Beer God!
Worth adding to the roster in case he makes something out of nothing behind that line.
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I agree there. I was a Williams owner watching the game last week and after Williams plodded around for all the first half, Powell came in at the end of the hald and looked way more explosive. With the Cards down and the run game going nowhere I actually expected Powell might start the second half, but Powell never played a offensive snap in the second half due to a underreported head injury. The Cards appeared to have no confidence whatsoever in Alfonso Smith. They kept rotating him out for the FB until he got banged up too.Ryan Williams wasn't right and even he admitted it. Powell is a upgrade over Williams in talent right now. I assume Powell is OK now but will have to watch the injury report today because whatever injury he sustained just hasn't been talked about.I do think Stephens-Howling will reclaim the 3rd down role but Powell probably represents a good spot start vs Buffalo with upside.
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The analysis on the Zona backfield has been so reactionary. When this thread started, Powell was a shark stash, based on how he looked in the preseason. Ryan Williams was then struggling to the point where Bloom basically said the running game in Zona would have no value. Then Williams breaks off a few good runs on a 4th quarter drive against Philly and Williams is suddenly a guy you would blow 50% or more of your blind bidding dollars on. I think Waldman mentioned in one of the podcasts that he basically traded Newton for Williams and Jerome Simpson or something like that.
Fast forward a week or two and Williams is out for the year, yet many of the people who were pimping Powell suddenly cool on him because of the terrible O-line play vs the Rams. No one is saying they weren't bad, but it was one game, Williams didn't look good either, and they just got dominated on both sides of the ball. Suddenly after that Rams game, all these experts on the Zona O-line come out of the woodwork and to read the comments here, you would think this is the worst run blocking line ever assembled in the history of the NFL and even Arian Foster would struggle to get 2 yards a carry playing in this offense. Because so many posters and analysts have basically said this over the last week, it has become accepted wisdom.
Not saying Powell is going to do anything necessarily, but he now has the opportunity we have been looking for at least in terms of workload, he really only has LSW as competition for carries, and he might be the unquestioned starter after this week. He is unproven and there are question marks, some of which will be answered this weekend, but he still seems to me like a better lottery ticket than some other backup RBs still being stashed.
Fast forward a week or two and Williams is out for the year, yet many of the people who were pimping Powell suddenly cool on him because of the terrible O-line play vs the Rams. No one is saying they weren't bad, but it was one game, Williams didn't look good either, and they just got dominated on both sides of the ball. Suddenly after that Rams game, all these experts on the Zona O-line come out of the woodwork and to read the comments here, you would think this is the worst run blocking line ever assembled in the history of the NFL and even Arian Foster would struggle to get 2 yards a carry playing in this offense. Because so many posters and analysts have basically said this over the last week, it has become accepted wisdom.
Not saying Powell is going to do anything necessarily, but he now has the opportunity we have been looking for at least in terms of workload, he really only has LSW as competition for carries, and he might be the unquestioned starter after this week. He is unproven and there are question marks, some of which will be answered this weekend, but he still seems to me like a better lottery ticket than some other backup RBs still being stashed.
cstu
Footballguy
This thread was started after that game. His runs against Philly were the longest of the year for the Cardinals so it looked like maybe the OL was good enough to make Williams (Powell in case of injury) a fantasy starter. Then came two poor rushing games just like the first two and there isn't much to be enthusiastic about.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
He's looking good guys. The match-up is easy but he's passing the eye test.
NJDawgPound
Footballguy
He's the best of the bunch but I think they are just easing him in. You really don't want a guy with zero experience getting 20+ carries.
cstu
Footballguy
Just the worst rushing defense in the league.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
Bills are bad at stopping anyone on the ground this is true.However, today LSW had 11 carries for 22 yards with a bad drop on a screen pass. He looked really bad.
Powell on the other hand had 13 carries for 70 yards and 1 catch for 8 yards.
Powell at this time is a bye week filler but at least he showed something and perhaps he can continue to get some touches and be productive. He seemed to have some pretty good vision in this game.
Balco
Footballguy
Not sure why everyone is so quick to dismiss him. He is just the type of player everyone should be taking a flyer on. He looked great in pre season against 3rd stringers, and now he got bumped up and fared well against first stringers (although they weren't great first stringers). I remember being a Steve Slaton owner and completely dismissing an undrafted free agent who got starts after Slaton went down. Wouldn't mind having Foster right now. For every Jackie Battle, there is a Jamal Anderson. Sometimes all a talented player needs is an opportunity.Not saying he is Arian Foster. Also not saying he is Jackie Battle. But he is worth keeping to find out how good he can be. HE passed his first big test.
CrazyFox
Footballguy
I think his first real test is coming...He's got the Vikings and the 49er's back to back.
steveski
Footballguy
I don't have much of a choice but to start him this week so I hope he passes his first real test with flying colors.
