TheBottomLine
Footballguy
last play of the first half, you tell me how that's not an assist at the very least for Patrick Willis. I thought it was a solo let alone an assist.
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johnnyboy8102
Footballguy
Score keeper has been pretty stingy and Willis has been some opportunities by not being able to get off some blocks or just missing on some plays.
But he will end today with 10 tackles and a sack. I'll take that any week!!
But he will end today with 10 tackles and a sack. I'll take that any week!!
johnnyboy8102
Footballguy
Now him not even getting an assist on that final goalline play is a joke.....
TheBottomLine
Footballguy
NO WAY!!! Willis didn't even get an assist on that last goal-line stand on 3rd & 1 THIS IS NUTS!! It was a hands down solo tackle, who is in charge of this?? My guess is whoever's recording these tackles is playing against him in fantasy, get real!!
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Desperation isn't a pretty thing....
TheBottomLine
Footballguy
I have my matchup locked up, have all night.. just don't appreciate watching my fantasy stud do work and not get proper credit for it
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Just giving you some grief. It is bizarre that he didn't get credit for the 3rd down play at the goalline...
TheBottomLine
Footballguy
this is beyond absurd!! surely something will be done right? If the scoring system is going to be this flawed then its not even worth doing IDP, its THAT bad..
johnnyboy8102
Footballguy
It all kind of evens out.
*He got credit for a solo on that play Brees made a reception on his own pass. Even though he slid and gave himself up and Willis just touched him down. I have seen that not credited to anyone in other games because the qb just "gave them self up".
*And the final pass that Pierre Thomas caught on the final drive he go credit for although Willis went for his legs and Pierre kept going until a DB brought him down.
Trust me though, I know the frustration when one of your IDPs is getting crunched.
*He got credit for a solo on that play Brees made a reception on his own pass. Even though he slid and gave himself up and Willis just touched him down. I have seen that not credited to anyone in other games because the qb just "gave them self up".
*And the final pass that Pierre Thomas caught on the final drive he go credit for although Willis went for his legs and Pierre kept going until a DB brought him down.
Trust me though, I know the frustration when one of your IDPs is getting crunched.
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TheBottomLine
Footballguy
I don't disagree with you... but I also didn't think hard into it. The plays that he didn't get credit for are absolutely hands-down 100% positively tackles... no ifs, ands, or buts about it. Who in the world was scoring tackles? Did they miss it and just guess who tackled him?? It is beyond crazy how he can bury a fullback in the backfield, and they gave a solo to the guy who fell forward on his face and touched the guys cleat when he was already down. I'm just as credible for that tackle as that guy who was rewarded it.. I mean come on... it didn't hurt me tonight, but I don't trust any of this garbage. I expect people to do their job as good as they can.. and that's not what happened tonight. Flat out no excuse to miss some of them plays as bad as they did..
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
I'm still angry about Aaron Beasly not getting credited with a forced-fumble in week 1 of 2000.
TheBottomLine
Footballguy
Stat Corrections won't correct this will it? On MFL it looks like the only tackles they correct on the stat corrections are one's with fumbles and sacks involved.. but surely someone just reviews them before making them official.. even Helen Keller could have seen Patrick make some of them tackles he wasn't given ANY credit for.
johnnyboy8102
Footballguy
Tackles are seldom ever corrected. The ONLY situation I ever had where one was corrected was last season when Ray Rice was credited with an open field Ray Lewis tackle. That was so absurd that it was eventually corrected. I've owned Lewis since 2003 and I have seen my share of inconsistency every week. For example, he forced a fumble on Forte that was credited to Landry. It was clear as day and I figured the stat corrections on Thursdays would fix this. Of course, it never was. I am interested to see if the Davis Harris fumble recovery is corrected this week as it was clearly Bryan Thomas #58 who recovered the ball after the Jason Taylor sack/fumble on Brady.
johnnyboy8102
Footballguy
Oh one more story came to mind.
In week 1 2007, Ray Lewis striped Chris Perry of the Bengals and the ball was recovered by the Ravens. NO ONE was credited with a forced fumble on the play and the stat corrections still kept it blank.
Then suddenly by Week 10, Lewis was credited with that forced fumble. lol
In week 1 2007, Ray Lewis striped Chris Perry of the Bengals and the ball was recovered by the Ravens. NO ONE was credited with a forced fumble on the play and the stat corrections still kept it blank.
Then suddenly by Week 10, Lewis was credited with that forced fumble. lol
TheBottomLine
Footballguy
I'm fairly young to fantasy football.. been playing since I was about 13 years old in 2001, and I've never seen them do such a horrible job of crediting tackles. I'm sure the Harris/Thomas fumble recovery will get sorted out.. just a shame they don't do anything about these tackles. A pure shame.
johnnyboy8102
Footballguy
I'm a couple years older than you (26) but it is always inconsistent. I posted this in another thread. The Redskins players got 44 assist tackles in their home game this past weekend. In contrast, the Rams players were credited with 17 assist tackles ALL of last season in their 8 home games!! lol James Laurinaitis had ZERO assist tackles in his 8 homes games last season and in his one home game this season he did not receive any. Think about that huge difference when people are throwing out tackle total numbers for players. Other inconsistencies:*Willis got a solo tackle tonight when he touched Brees down after he "gave himself up". Ray Lewis did the same thing to Mark Sanchez in Week 1 but NO tackle was credited. *Some scorekeepers score tackles differently. Some use commas and some use semicolons. For example, if the tackle is scored (Willis, Goldson) Willis will get a solo and Goldson will get an assist. However, if it is scored like this (Willis; Goldson) then both players get assists on the play. You can tell very early in the game by watching the play-by-play how it is being scored. In tonight's game the semicolon method (2 assists awarded) was used unless a single player was involved in which at that point a solo was just given to the one player. The scorekeeper tonight was stingy in awarding 2 players tackles but when he did the semicolon was used. *pass deflections are inconsistent too. Some scorekeepers give them ONLY when a player actually touches the ball. Some give credit if a player hits a potential receiver as he is attempting to make a catch. The Redskins home scorekeeper awarded 2 to London Fletcher for simply being in the area of the incompletion. This is very frustrating too! Hope this info helps man.
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TheBottomLine
Footballguy
I had caught onto the way they use ";" and "," between the tackles.. and I understand the play in which Brees completed the pass to himself and Willis tapped him for the tackle, it might have been generous for Patrick.. and I understand that assists can vary depending on how their team scores them, but HOW can Patrick get NOTHING for that last goal-line stand? This just blows me away.. I wish I could just drop it but I can't. The only thing that would make me feel better is if somehow they catch it (I know its not as obvious as Ray Rice getting credited for a Ray Lewis tackle, but its pretty close in all honesty) and correct it.
DesmondBishop
Footballguy
Assists are never corrected because they are not official, tackles are seldom corrected.
Talk about some BS disparity, look at the assists in this game:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/gametracker/l...0100919_HOU@WAS
Then look at pretty much any other game. Like:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/gametracker/l..._20100920_NO@SF or
This game had 61 rush attempts:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/gametracker/l...0100919_STL@OAK
Its amazing that the this happens but it goes on every week. Hall and Mcintosh each had 9 assists! That is more than most other entire teams.
It does suck but it is part of FF that will always exist unless an assist becomes an official stat.
Talk about some BS disparity, look at the assists in this game:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/gametracker/l...0100919_HOU@WAS
Then look at pretty much any other game. Like:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/gametracker/l..._20100920_NO@SF or
This game had 61 rush attempts:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/gametracker/l...0100919_STL@OAK
Its amazing that the this happens but it goes on every week. Hall and Mcintosh each had 9 assists! That is more than most other entire teams.
It does suck but it is part of FF that will always exist unless an assist becomes an official stat.
johnnyboy8102
Footballguy
I started another thread about the Redskins stat guy and it really seems as if he ie very liberal with assists AND pass deflections.
There might end up being 5 Redskins in the top 15 in tackles!! Lol
There might end up being 5 Redskins in the top 15 in tackles!! Lol
TheBottomLine
Footballguy
Larry Thomas
Footballguy
Whatup dawg
Sometimes you wonder what game the stat crews are watching. I didn't get to see much of this game, not familar with play/s in question. On a side note... someone was questioning PD scoring. PDs are passes defensed not pass deflections. Like assist they're judgement calls and unfortunatley there will be some consistency issues. All in all I think the stat crews do a decent job. I know it can be frustrating though.
Back when you used to rely on USA Today there were times guys didn't get credit for any stats, just ask my brother Scott about Cliff Odom, I think he's still sore over that and it's been 20 some years.
I remeber a Thanksgiving day game where Dino Hackett (KC) was getting credit if he watched a tackle being made, his Mom must have been up in the box scoring that day. 
He made the Pro Bowl that year the stat crew may have helped him get there. He was my guy so I didn't mind, 
