Winslow, seems to be ranked around 6-7 for TE (1 Viewer)

[dmac37]

I assume he is ranked this low because of injury concerns.

He had off season surgury that seems to have gone well, last year he had 89 receptions while playing on one good leg.

It seems like the offensive playbook is geared to go through Winslow.

Reports are that he had a great training camp.

I see him as the #2 TE behind Gates.

Anyone have rankings from last year on where he finished in a 1PPR league, do you think he could be used as a #3 or #4 WR in a PPR league.

 

[Banger]

I agree. Should have a better line, qb situation won't be worse, has a terrible defense ensuring 2nd half passing almost every game. He could definitely use some more td's though...

 

[bostonfred]

I have Heap a little higher, but Winslow's my #3. Winslow had a great season and still has upside, but it all depends on his quarterback. If Quinn is the #1 guy, who's to say he looks at Winslow as much and doesn't spread the ball around a little more? I like Shockey next and am a little scared of Gonzo on a team that could be pretty awful this year. After that, the Davis/Cooley/Crumpler/Witten mess is one I'd like to avoid overpaying for, although all of them have enough upside that I'd be willing to wait a lot longer in a 10 team draft.

 

[Yitbos69]

Talent wise I don't think there are any question Winslow is an elite TE. The questions are all about his health and his ability to be on the field all year. I think he is a high risk high reward player. For me after Gates there are several solid TE's who don't have the same concerns that come along with drafting Winslow. I would take a Heap or Cooley and let someone else gamble on Winslow.

 

[IGKYA!!!]

Talent wise I don't think there are any question Winslow is an elite TE. The questions are all about his health and his ability to be on the field all year. I think he is a high risk high reward player. For me after Gates there are several solid TE's who don't have the same concerns that come along with drafting Winslow. I would take a Heap or Cooley and let someone else gamble on Winslow.

I think the major concern is lack of TDs, not injury. This Browns team may have a hard time sniffing the end zone again this year. 6-10 receptions for 50-80 yds and no TDs is what Winslow was good for last year- has anything changed to make us think that's not what will happen in 2007?

 

[Banger]

If Quinn is the #1 guy, who's to say he looks at Winslow as much and doesn't spread the ball around a little more?

The problems with the spreading the ball around theory is the other options outside of Winslow/Edwards are pretty terrible. A few less receptions won't necessarily be a bad thing though if he can hit him for a few longer plays/tds.

 

[bcr8f]

Drafted him in the 8th round and Crumpler in the 11th. When Quinn plays I think his TD's will go up, but I have him at 3 or 4.

Gates

Gonzo

Heap

Winslow

Shockey

Cooley

Vernon Davis

Crumpler

Witten

McMichael

 

[dmac37]

I think the major concern is lack of TDs, not injury. This Browns team may have a hard time sniffing the end zone again this year. 6-10 receptions for 50-80 yds and no TDs is what Winslow was good for last year- has anything changed to make us think that's not what will happen in 2007?

Edwards should keep improving as one of the better young WR's and J. Lewis looks to improve the running game from last year. Still not an offensive powerhouse but should have a lot more red zone looks compared to last year.

 

[bostonfred]

If Quinn is the #1 guy, who's to say he looks at Winslow as much and doesn't spread the ball around a little more?

The problems with the spreading the ball around theory is the other options outside of Winslow/Edwards are pretty terrible. A few less receptions won't necessarily be a bad thing though if he can hit him for a few longer plays/tds.

The same theory would have applied to Ben Watson last year. Reche Caldwell, Jabar Gaffney, Troy Brown and co. shouldn't have been able to keep him from getting a ton of receptions, and yet they did. Cleveland added a running game, has a head coach who agrees in theory with the Weis offense, has a rookie QB, who coincidentally played for Weis, and Edwards is emerging. Those are all reasons that the passing game might change a little. Bear in mind that Winslow had 89 receptions last year in a losing campaign. Was that because he is that good, because the other options are that bad, or because Charlie Frye zoned in on him and Edwards? That's not enough for me to downgrade him - I'm ranking him ahead of TEs who outperformed him last year - but there is a legitimate downside case worth discussing. On the upside case, 89 receptions for only 3 TDs makes you wonder how he could do if he got more looks in the red zone in an improved offense. Jamal Lewis is no Tomlinson, but there's a complimentary effect between TEs and RBs and improvement in the running game should sustain drives, give Winslow more chances to pick up third and short, and commanding attention from the linebackers/safety on the strong side. But is it enough for me to put him ahead of Heap? Not quite.

 

[outlawassassins]

Winslow was ranked #2 on my list as well .. in my league, 1 ppr, Winslow scored the same amount of total points as Antonio Gates last year

 

[dmac37]

Winslow was ranked #2 on my list as well .. in my league, 1 ppr, Winslow scored the same amount of total points as Antonio Gates last year

That sounds encouraging, in my 1 ppr league I have Winslow as my TE#1 and O. Daniels as my TE#2. On bye weeks or with injuries I may use Winslow as a #3 or #4 WR and play Daniels as my TE. Report out of Houston is Daniels will be the #2 option in the passing game, and I think they may pass a lot this year.

 

[twistd]

Talent wise I don't think there are any question Winslow is an elite TE. The questions are all about his health and his ability to be on the field all year. I think he is a high risk high reward player. For me after Gates there are several solid TE's who don't have the same concerns that come along with drafting Winslow. I would take a Heap or Cooley and let someone else gamble on Winslow.

I agree completely. Winslow had microfracture surgery. That is a tough surgery to come back from. He looks alright so far, but I'd prefer to stick with Heap, Cooley, or Davis.

 

[bostonfred]

Winslow was ranked #2 on my list as well .. in my league, 1 ppr, Winslow scored the same amount of total points as Antonio Gates last year

Gates 71/924/9Winslow 89/875/3If 18 receptions at 1 PPR = 50 yards and 6 TDs, then it sounds like you score TDs at 2 pts. apiece? Or was your point that Gates didn't outscore Winslow by that much in Gates' worst year and Winslow's best year?

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

In full disclosure: I hate the Browns and wish them nothing but misery.

Having said that: KWII is easily my #2 TE. I think he pushes Gates this year.

edit: reading redmans post below, I am only talking about PPR leagues.

 

[redman]

The key here is ppr.

In a ppr league he's an elite TE, top 2-3.

In a non-ppr league he's a very solid top-8 or so TE.

 

[Jason Wood]

In PPR leagues, he's a very compelling pick. Chuds was his OC at Miami and spent the last few years coaching Antonio Gates in San Diego. If KW is on the field and healthy, Chuds is going to make him a major focal point of that offense. But you have to be concerned about his low YPC last year compounded by microfracture surgery this offseason. Winslow wasn't explosive last year, and he'll need to be much more so to live up to top 2-4 ranking in non-PPR leagues in 2007. A risky proposition particularly if you assume they will have at least one QB change during the season.

 

[LawFitz]

0.5 PPR -

1. Gates

2. Davis

3. Winslow

4. Heap

5. Gonzo

 

[redman]

I would add one other observation about Winslow in a PPR league- the fact that his points come from receptions and yardage make him a far more consistent FF contributor than pretty much everyone else out there, though of course his upside isn't as high as a guy like Gates given the lack of TD's. Winslow's the kind of guy you can pretty much count on to get you 10+ points per week, with a TD on top of that two to three weeks. That can be very valuable if you have an otherwise volatile lineup.