WIS MMXI: Back to the Future Edition- Draft & Season Thread (2 Viewers)

[oso diablo]

Pretty sure there is no park adjustment.

grrrr! why wouldn't there be park adjustments? For crying out loud, park effects are old technology. And WIS has the park effects in their database. That's just wrong. (i mean on WIS's part; not questioning you guys)

 

[Spartans Rule]

3.20 Max Scherzer, SP

 

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

Thanks Sparty.

 

[Eephus]

Pretty sure there is no park adjustment.

grrrr! why wouldn't there be park adjustments? For crying out loud, park effects are old technology. And WIS has the park effects in their database. That's just wrong. (i mean on WIS's part; not questioning you guys)

I think it's fine the way they do it. Adjusting raw stats for reallife ballparks and then adjusting again for sim ballpark would be double dipping. It would distort the "reality" of the historical sim too much. A player like Chuck Klein already gets hit by era normalization; if his stats were reduced again because he hit in the Baker Bowl his descendants might sue WIS.

 

[RnR]

03.21- Adam Dunn (1B)

Bonus: Caption Contest for this picture!

 

[Sammy3469]

3) Does WIS adjust players raw numbers from the season to take into account the park that they play in? (i.e. bumping down HRs for a player in Coors while adjusting the pitchers numbers conversly)

No, raw numbers aren't adjusted.

isn't this somewhat misleading? while raw numbers may not be park-adjusted, don't the important stats get park-adjusted? For example, OBP# and/or OBP+.

Pretty sure there is no park adjustment. In the Oct 14 2009 where they started fielding normalization, they neve mention park effects.On thing to keep in mind for rdog is that the salaries you see in the WIS draft center include defense which may or may not be the same for next year.

Era normalized + and #(log5) numbers won't come into play because this is a single season sim (unless someone tries to sneak Mordecai Brown onto their pitching staff).

I think there may be different adjusments for AL and NL though. I'm not positive about that, but guys who have played in both leagues have different salary numbers depending on what team you pull up for them for combined seasons

 

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

I think Hoos is up now:

Mike Stanton, OF

 

[oso diablo]

I think it's fine the way they do it. Adjusting raw stats for reallife ballparks and then adjusting again for sim ballpark would be double dipping. It would distort the "reality" of the historical sim too much. A player like Chuck Klein already gets hit by era normalization; if his stats were reduced again because he hit in the Baker Bowl his descendants might sue WIS.

the analytics don't pose a problem; it wouldn't be double-dipping, because you would account for the various factors in combination. I mean, it doesn't pose a problem for plus-stat calculations everywhere else.having to re-do all of my analysis now.

 

[RnR]

having to re-do all of my analysis now.

It is because all the starting pitching is gone, don't lie.

 

[Sammy3469]

I think it's fine the way they do it. Adjusting raw stats for reallife ballparks and then adjusting again for sim ballpark would be double dipping. It would distort the "reality" of the historical sim too much. A player like Chuck Klein already gets hit by era normalization; if his stats were reduced again because he hit in the Baker Bowl his descendants might sue WIS.

the analytics don't pose a problem; it wouldn't be double-dipping, because you would account for the various factors in combination. I mean, it doesn't pose a problem for plus-stat calculations everywhere else.having to re-do all of my analysis now.

I don't think they have historical game by game breakdown to do the park adjustments for all time, so they just leave them out for everyone. I agree ideally they'd do it, but they pretty clearly don't since a lot of those Rockie guys aren't adjusted down.

 

[Eephus]

3 . 13 ChemX…. Jason Heyward OF

3 . 14 Arsenal.. Justin Upton OF

3 . 15 DougB…. Brandon Phillips 2B

3 . 16 SNC…… Jayson Werth OF

3 . 17 NV……. Brian McCann C

3 . 18 Bogart… Ichiro Suzuki OF

3 . 19 bobucarow Torii Hunter OF

3 . 20 sparty… Max Scherzer P

3 . 21 RnRolen.. Adam Dunn K

3 . 22 HoosFirst Mike Stanton OF

3 . 23 TUpside... OTC to xx34

3 . 24 OsoDiablo Recoding the sim engine

4 . 01 OsoDiablo

 

[oso diablo]

I don't think they have historical game by game breakdown to do the park adjustments for all time, so they just leave them out for everyone. I agree ideally they'd do it, but they pretty clearly don't since a lot of those Rockie guys aren't adjusted down.

that's quasi-reasonable, but it's letting the perfect get in the way of the good.

 

[Sammy3469]

I don't think they have historical game by game breakdown to do the park adjustments for all time, so they just leave them out for everyone. I agree ideally they'd do it, but they pretty clearly don't since a lot of those Rockie guys aren't adjusted down.

that's quasi-reasonable, but it's letting the perfect get in the way of the good.

I know, but even the baseball-reference DB stops at 1920 or so for individual box scores.

 

[Eephus]

I don't think they have historical game by game breakdown to do the park adjustments for all time, so they just leave them out for everyone. I agree ideally they'd do it, but they pretty clearly don't since a lot of those Rockie guys aren't adjusted down.

that's quasi-reasonable, but it's letting the perfect get in the way of the good.

I know, but even the baseball-reference DB stops at 1920 or so for individual box scores.

I've seen older ones on Retrosheet but they're not complete. It would be a pretty significant level of effort to recalculate split stats for tens of thousands of player seasons. The nominal increase in "realism" wouldn't be worth it IMO.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Jesus, there's nothing left

PIck upcoming

 

[Eephus]

Jesus, there's nothing leftPIck upcoming

770 picks to go

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Jesus, there's nothing leftPIck upcoming

770 picks to go

we might as well just flip coins now...this is going to be awful

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Andre Ethier, OF

 

[Eephus]

Jesus, there's nothing leftPIck upcoming

770 picks to go

we might as well just flip coins now...this is going to be awesome

fixed

 

[rodg12]

Jesus, there's nothing leftPIck upcoming

770 picks to go

 

[jfranco77]

Hamels was the other guy I was considering so for the 3rd round in a row I will take the hitter instead.3.10 Jay BruceNot sure how I'm going to make the lineup work, but getting probable A defense out of a guy with his offensive upside is worth it for me. Plus, the homer factor of course.

SOD. I almost took him back at 2.5.He'll be good value here if all he does is duplicate last year, and he's got a good chance to take the next step up.

Killed me to pick Santana over Bruce but I felt like I needed the bat at catcher. Love the Bruce pick.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

 

[larry_boy_44]

3) Does WIS adjust players raw numbers from the season to take into account the park that they play in? (i.e. bumping down HRs for a player in Coors while adjusting the pitchers numbers conversly)

No, raw numbers aren't adjusted.

isn't this somewhat misleading? while raw numbers may not be park-adjusted, don't the important stats get park-adjusted? For example, OBP# and/or OBP+.

Pretty sure there is no park adjustment. In the Oct 14 2009 where they started fielding normalization, they neve mention park effects.On thing to keep in mind for rdog is that the salaries you see in the WIS draft center include defense which may or may not be the same for next year.

Era normalized + and #(log5) numbers won't come into play because this is a single season sim (unless someone tries to sneak Mordecai Brown onto their pitching staff).

won't they effect things a little bit when we have AL players vs. NL players?

 

[oso diablo]

3.24 Geovany Soto - C

4.01 Stephen Drew - SS

 

[jfranco77]

3) Does WIS adjust players raw numbers from the season to take into account the park that they play in? (i.e. bumping down HRs for a player in Coors while adjusting the pitchers numbers conversly)

No, raw numbers aren't adjusted.

isn't this somewhat misleading? while raw numbers may not be park-adjusted, don't the important stats get park-adjusted? For example, OBP# and/or OBP+.

Pretty sure there is no park adjustment. In the Oct 14 2009 where they started fielding normalization, they neve mention park effects.On thing to keep in mind for rdog is that the salaries you see in the WIS draft center include defense which may or may not be the same for next year.

Park effects are NOT included at all. A homer in Coors counts just as much as a HR in Petco.

 

[oso diablo]

Park effects are NOT included at all. A homer in Coors counts just as much as a HR in Petco.

in real life, a HR in Petco has a MUCH bigger impact on whether you win or lose a game.

 

[jfranco77]

I think there may be different adjusments for AL and NL though. I'm not positive about that, but guys who have played in both leagues have different salary numbers depending on what team you pull up for them for combined seasons

Truth. A player's AVG# and AVG+ are derived by comparing their AVG to the AVG for their specific league (AL or NL)

 

[RnR]

Does someone still have a Hoos list?

 

[Greco]

i'm in last already

 

[RnR]

Jesus, there's nothing leftPIck upcoming

770 picks to go

This ain't fantasy baseball, fellas.Personally, I think we'll all really enjoy this. We're drafting cornerstone players right now, but we're about to get into general manager mode really quickly.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

i'm in last already

EVERYONE NEEDS TO DRAFT FASTER, OR ELSE!!!!!

 

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

Does someone still have a Hoos list?

I do

 

[rodg12]

Jesus, there's nothing leftPIck upcoming

770 picks to go

This ain't fantasy baseball, fellas.Personally, I think we'll all really enjoy this. We're drafting cornerstone players right now, but we're about to get into general manager mode really quickly.

Oh, I'm fully expecting to enjoy this. That 770 number is just daunting to look at.

 

[Eephus]

Jesus, there's nothing leftPIck upcoming

770 picks to go

This ain't fantasy baseball, fellas.Personally, I think we'll all really enjoy this. We're drafting cornerstone players right now, but we're about to get into general manager mode really quickly.

I quit

 

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

4 . 02 TUpside... OTC xx:21

4 . 03 HoosFirst I have list

4 . 04 RnRolen..

4 . 05 sparty…

4 . 06 bobucarow

4 . 07 Bogart…

4 . 08 NV…….

4 . 09 SNC……

4 . 10 DougB….

4 . 11 Arsenal..

4 . 12 ChemX….

4 . 13 rodg12…

 

[Tremendous Upside]

sorry guys, I don't pick again for a loooong time, trying not to #### this team up entirely here

 

[Tremendous Upside]

4.02 CJ Wilson, SP

CMon CJ, drop those walks 1 per 9!

 

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

From the Hoos list:

Hunter Pence, OF

 

[Tremendous Upside]

I'll see you guys on Monday

 

[Bogart]

4.02 CJ Wilson, SP

CMon CJ, drop those walks 1 per 9!

For those with money on me taking the first Ranger pitcher, you can pay up now.I'm surprised, but happy, to see one go this early.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Sent RnR an email.

 

[RnR]

04.04- Kelly Johnson (2B)

Pic

 

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

04.04- Kelly Johnson (2B)

Pic

Damn it! I thought he would fall to me.

 

[Spartans Rule]

4.5 Justin Morneau, 1B

Counting on this not being a problem.

 

[cheese]

Crazy late for Morneau if he gets his ABs.

 

[RnR]

Crazy late for Morneau if he gets his ABs.

Big "if" at this point. We're 8 months removed from the concussion and the medical staff still hasn't clear him for game activity.

 

[the moops]

Crazy late for Morneau if he gets his ABs.

Yea. I was starting to think I had a shot at him at the end of this round.

 

[RnR]

04.04- Kelly Johnson (2B)

Pic

Damn it! I thought he would fall to me.

You can blame Oso. Kelly doesn't even cross my mind if my #3/#4 SP's are still on the board.

 

[Eephus]

4 . 01 OsoDiablo Stephen Drew SS

4 . 02 TUpside... CJ Wilson P

4 . 03 HoosFirst Hunter Pence OF

4 . 04 RnRolen.. Kelly Johnson 2B

4 . 05 sparty… Justin Morneau 1B

4 . 06 bobucarow OTC to xx43

4 . 07 Bogart…

4 . 08 NV…….

4 . 09 SNC……

4 . 10 DougB….

4 . 11 Arsenal..

 

[boubucarow]

Jacoby Ellsbury, OF

C Buster Posey

OF Andrew McCutchen

OF Torii Hunter

OF Jacoby Ellsbury