WIS MMXI: Back to the Future Edition- Draft & Season Thread (2 Viewers)

[SoCalBroncoFan]

For those talking about injuries, I have added everyone that I can to my WIS team and I still dont make the minimum innings requirement to even input my team. I am 7 IP short. I can make a trade to pick someone up, but the reality is that I drafted the players I did and some of them were injury prone. I drafted Chipper Jones. Because of that I drafted Callaspo as insurance. It paid off. Unfortunately, Chris Young didnt throw 100 IP like I wish he had. In fact, he threw 24 good innings that I cant use. :(

 

[rodg12]

To be honest, I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum on this. If we make it a "waiver" or "supplemental" situation, I'll probably sit it out.

There's some grey area ... what if the number of possible moves were sharply limited?I mean, if you draft 35 guys, and then pick five more at the All-Star break ... is that really all that different?

The problem with this is that it just rolls into a different kind of luck...luck of who gets the first picks in the supplemental draft. As it stands, there are maybe 5 high-impact hitters still available (1 that is head and shoulders above everyone else in Kotchman) and 5 or so impact starting pitchers. So, whoever would have the first 10 picks in that supplemental draft would be at a huge advantage.

 

[scoobus]

For those talking about injuries, I have added everyone that I can to my WIS team and I still dont make the minimum innings requirement to even input my team. I am 7 IP short. I can make a trade to pick someone up, but the reality is that I drafted the players I did and some of them were injury prone. I drafted Chipper Jones. Because of that I drafted Callaspo as insurance. It paid off. Unfortunately, Chris Young didnt throw 100 IP like I wish he had. In fact, he threw 24 good innings that I cant use. :(

Clear your PMs, I think your mailbox is full

 

[Eephus]

To be honest, I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum on this. If we make it a "waiver" or "supplemental" situation, I'll probably sit it out.

There's some grey area ... what if the number of possible moves were sharply limited?I mean, if you draft 35 guys, and then pick five more at the All-Star break ... is that really all that different?

The problem with this is that it just rolls into a different kind of luck...luck of who gets the first picks in the supplemental draft. As it stands, there are maybe 5 high-impact hitters still available (1 that is head and shoulders above everyone else in Kotchman) and 5 or so impact starting pitchers. So, whoever would have the first 10 picks in that supplemental draft would be at a huge advantage.

Vogelsong's 180 innings of 141 ERA+ ball would make him the Silver King of the 2011 supplemental draft

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

For those talking about injuries, I have added everyone that I can to my WIS team and I still dont make the minimum innings requirement to even input my team. I am 7 IP short. I can make a trade to pick someone up, but the reality is that I drafted the players I did and some of them were injury prone. I drafted Chipper Jones. Because of that I drafted Callaspo as insurance. It paid off. Unfortunately, Chris Young didnt throw 100 IP like I wish he had. In fact, he threw 24 good innings that I cant use. :(

Give me the Chipper. TIA

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

To be honest, I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum on this. If we make it a "waiver" or "supplemental" situation, I'll probably sit it out.

There's some grey area ... what if the number of possible moves were sharply limited?I mean, if you draft 35 guys, and then pick five more at the All-Star break ... is that really all that different?

The problem with this is that it just rolls into a different kind of luck...luck of who gets the first picks in the supplemental draft. As it stands, there are maybe 5 high-impact hitters still available (1 that is head and shoulders above everyone else in Kotchman) and 5 or so impact starting pitchers. So, whoever would have the first 10 picks in that supplemental draft would be at a huge advantage.

Vogelsong's 180 innings of 141 ERA+ ball would make him the Silver King of the 2011 supplemental draft

 

[rodg12]

To be honest, I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum on this. If we make it a "waiver" or "supplemental" situation, I'll probably sit it out.

There's some grey area ... what if the number of possible moves were sharply limited?I mean, if you draft 35 guys, and then pick five more at the All-Star break ... is that really all that different?

The problem with this is that it just rolls into a different kind of luck...luck of who gets the first picks in the supplemental draft. As it stands, there are maybe 5 high-impact hitters still available (1 that is head and shoulders above everyone else in Kotchman) and 5 or so impact starting pitchers. So, whoever would have the first 10 picks in that supplemental draft would be at a huge advantage.

Vogelsong's 180 innings of 141 ERA+ ball would make him the Silver King of the 2011 supplemental draft

Exactly. I'd give my kingdom for Vogelsong right about now...

 

[Chemical X]

my 25 man stack:

Batting Totals 5330 4757 136 579 55-24 853-465 35.0 .266 .333 .414 B/C- $32,358,404

Pitching Totals 84-81-64 1,423 3.53 .233 1.23 7.94 3.28 0.90 1255-519 $40,583,640

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

To be honest, I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum on this. If we make it a "waiver" or "supplemental" situation, I'll probably sit it out.

There's some grey area ... what if the number of possible moves were sharply limited?I mean, if you draft 35 guys, and then pick five more at the All-Star break ... is that really all that different?

The problem with this is that it just rolls into a different kind of luck...luck of who gets the first picks in the supplemental draft. As it stands, there are maybe 5 high-impact hitters still available (1 that is head and shoulders above everyone else in Kotchman) and 5 or so impact starting pitchers. So, whoever would have the first 10 picks in that supplemental draft would be at a huge advantage.

Vogelsong's 180 innings of 141 ERA+ ball would make him the Silver King of the 2011 supplemental draft

Exactly. I'd give my kingdom for Vogelsong right about now...

This is why I think some form of limited running waivers makes the most sense. Looking back at the full season, it's easy to see how valuable he is. But if you picked him up in April as one of a restricted number of moves, you'd still be taking a huge risk as that type of sustained production from a scrub rarely plays out. In this case it would have paid off in spades, but probably 8 out of 10 tens times you'd be kicking yourself for wasting a move.

 

[cheese]

If anyone gets really desperate, I have 150 innings of Lackey that I'm hoping not to use.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

We definitely should do this again next year, btw. I'd love to introduce some kind of keeper/dynasty format to it as well. Thoughts?

Not going to lie -- my team sucking has taken a lot of the shine off this format. Really, really dislike the "pick 40 guys and figure it out later" draft.

Well, there's always one. And FWIW, I think you probably have a better team than me.

 

[boubucarow]

One idea we floated was a supplemental draft that required an owner to drop players in order to draft a player. The highest pick dropped would be rewarded with the 1st supplemental pick and so on... Player drops could even be restricted to players who were injured for at least a certain period of the season.

If we do redraft, I would simply like to draft a few more rounds (45 or 50) and use up all of the AAA spots for those than can do so in the end.

If we ever do a dynasty, I like the idea of an additional draft for non-40 man roster players. Maybe have 60 players total. Then each subsequent year we could throw every FA and new MLB draftee into the player pool for the same draft.

 

[RnR]

Yeah, but of what consequence is dropping Manny Ramirez in April to me? I get a 2nd chance on an early pick I goofed on. I don't deserve that.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Yeah, but of what consequence is dropping Manny Ramirez in April to me? I get a 2nd chance on an early pick I goofed on. I don't deserve that.

Right, or say I drafted 10 guys that are retired. Now I get real players to replace them with?

 

[Doug B]

We definitely should do this again next year, btw. I'd love to introduce some kind of keeper/dynasty format to it as well. Thoughts?

Not going to lie -- my team sucking has taken a lot of the shine off this format. Really, really dislike the "pick 40 guys and figure it out later" draft.

Well, there's always one.

Seen Spartans around lately?

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Yeah, but of what consequence is dropping Manny Ramirez in April to me? I get a 2nd chance on an early pick I goofed on. I don't deserve that.

Just hypothetically, the consequence is that you use one of three potential moves you have for the season and in all probability replace him with a scrub. So it may be in your interest to hold him until later to swap out, but then someone else might roll the dice and grab a player you wanted. Not perfect, but does give some latitude for owners to make minor adjustments to help cover a major loss of IP or ABs, while maintaining the importance of drafting well initially and risk/reward balance. FWIW, I'm going to play no matter what's decided. I can see both sides though and think we can find a happy middle ground.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

We definitely should do this again next year, btw. I'd love to introduce some kind of keeper/dynasty format to it as well. Thoughts?

Not going to lie -- my team sucking has taken a lot of the shine off this format. Really, really dislike the "pick 40 guys and figure it out later" draft.

Well, there's always one.

Seen Spartans around lately?

Just communicated with him via PM the other day. Why?

 

[jfranco77]

I may swap out a hitter for a pitcher but my 25-man stats look like this:

Hitters: 6216 PA, 262/344/450, B-/B- fielding, 214 HR, $47,766,773

Pitchers: 1412 IP, 1.26 WHIP, 0.86 HR9, 3.88 ERA, 2.82 BB/9, .250 OAV, $36,538,285

 

[Eephus]

Instead of arguing about rules for a 2012 draft that won't happen until March, we should start discussions about the next historical sim.possibilities:Final season: The obvious companion to the first season leagueSteroid era: Might be better if we wait a year to honor the 2013 HoF candidatesWWII era: I'll keep throwing it out there. It would be best with a limited number of teams.1950s short-era sim:Some other off-the-wall idea:

WIS League HistoryWIS I: The BeginningTheme: All-Time Draft (Sim was conducted as afterthought)Champion: PumpnickWIS II: Sim-FishingTheme: All-Time Draft II (Sim-fishing encouraged)Champion: Spartans RuleWIS III: Cocaine & GreeniesTheme: 1969-1992Champion: Dirty HalosWIS IV: The Golden EraTheme: 1946-1968Champion: RnRWIS V: Clone WarsTheme: All-Time Draft with multiple versions of the same player allowedChampion: KoyaWIS VI: The Salary Cap LeagueTheme: A draft and salary-cap fused together. Each team drafted with a $100mil WIS salary capChampion: KraftSpecial Note: Dr. Detroit's team that finished runner-up to Kraft won the Champion of Champions League on WIS.WIS VII: The Deadball EraTheme: 1894-1919Champion: KraftWIS VIII: The Golden Steroid EraTheme: Split era league that included 1920-1941 and 1986-2004Champion: Doug BWIS IX: The Disco EraTheme: 70's league (1976-79)Champion: KoyaWIS X: The Dice Roll DebacleTheme: All-Time Draft that required a roll of a six-sided die to determine which season you got to use for each player draftedChampion: EephusWIS XI: The Uecker EraTheme: 1962-1967Champion: jfranco77WIS XII: Roll for YearsTheme: Each team was required to roll dice to determine what year they would be able to select a player from in each roundChampion: Mr. PhoenixWIS XIII: The Hall of Very GoodTheme: No Hall of Fame players allowed, all-time leagueChampion: Hoos First WIS XIV: The Rookie/First Year LeagueTheme: Player pool limited to their first WIS eligible seasonChampion: Doug BWIS MMXI: Back to the FutureTheme: Pre-season draft for 2011 simChampion: TBD

 

[RnR]

Yeah, but of what consequence is dropping Manny Ramirez in April to me? I get a 2nd chance on an early pick I goofed on. I don't deserve that.

Right, or say I drafted 10 guys that are retired. Now I get real players to replace them with?

 

[RnR]

We are definitely due a short-era league. Maybe a salary cap league again?

 

[Chemical X]

how about strike shortened seasons?

 

[Eephus]

We are definitely due a short-era league. Maybe a salary cap league again?

If you size a short-era player pool correctly, it makes a salary cap redundant.I don't want to play another sim with $200K roster fillers in mop-up roles messing up the league stats.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Did we ever do a "fatal flaw" draft? We come up with a list of fatal flaws and the player chosen has to have one of those flaws.

Examples:

AVG below .240

OBP below .320

SLG below .380

I didn't look at the player pool there, but you get the idea. We could add in pitching and fielding flaws (might have to limit the number of fielding flaw players taken to avoid an all Papi type lineup) as well.

 

[cheese]

Never played with you guys on these before, but random ideas anyway...

Players on teams that lost 100 games

Ball in play league (extremely low k/9 and bb/9 pitchers only and extremely low k and walk batters. No clue on threshold though

The fatal flaw idea sounded cool

 

[boubucarow]

Another idea...

We draft a team from the entire history and are unable to draft two players from the same organization. No clones.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

I like all of these ideas. Without looking too closely at anything my favorites so far are one player per franchise, or a short era TBD.

 

[Eephus]

Never played with you guys on these before, but random ideas anyway...Players on teams that lost 100 gamesBall in play league (extremely low k/9 and bb/9 pitchers only and extremely low k and walk batters. No clue on threshold thoughThe fatal flaw idea sounded cool

The 100 loss idea would be hard to filter using the WIS draft center. It's an interesting idea.The ball-in-play league would have to be normalized somehow (e.g. K/9+ and BB/9+ < 80?) or else the usual cast of deadball pitchers (Joss, Babe Adams, Cicotte) would dominate.

 

[the moops]

One idea we floated was a supplemental draft that required an owner to drop players in order to draft a player. The highest pick dropped would be rewarded with the 1st supplemental pick and so on.

I like this idea. And, no it isn't because I have Hanley Ramirez on my team.

 

[oso diablo]

a thought for the 2.0 version of this... allow teams to actually DRAFT, in the original draft, a "Future Waiver Pick". So each team can strategize and decide how early they want to spend a pick not on an actual player, but for the right to take an undrafted player.

 

[RnR]

a thought for the 2.0 version of this... allow teams to actually DRAFT, in the original draft, a "Future Waiver Pick". So each team can strategize and decide how early they want to spend a pick not on an actual player, but for the right to take an undrafted player.

I like where your head is at. We're getting closer to compromise here, people.

 

[Eephus]

a thought for the 2.0 version of this... allow teams to actually DRAFT, in the original draft, a "Future Waiver Pick". So each team can strategize and decide how early they want to spend a pick not on an actual player, but for the right to take an undrafted player.

I like where your head is at. We're getting closer to compromise here, people.

March 2012 won't come any sooner

 

[Spartans Rule]

We definitely should do this again next year, btw. I'd love to introduce some kind of keeper/dynasty format to it as well. Thoughts?

Not going to lie -- my team sucking has taken a lot of the shine off this format. Really, really dislike the "pick 40 guys and figure it out later" draft.

Well, there's always one.

Seen Spartans around lately?

I like the format. I just don't like the fact that I picked the ####tiest team ever.I'll have my damage toll by the end of the week with a list of players I want to trade.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

We definitely should do this again next year, btw. I'd love to introduce some kind of keeper/dynasty format to it as well. Thoughts?

Not going to lie -- my team sucking has taken a lot of the shine off this format. Really, really dislike the "pick 40 guys and figure it out later" draft.

Well, there's always one.

Seen Spartans around lately?

I like the format. I just don't like the fact that I picked the ####tiest team ever.I'll have my damage toll by the end of the week with a list of players I want to trade.

Taking it like a man since 1997™

 

[Eephus]

Unless somebody wants to do rankings, I'm going to use the Fantrax scoring for divisional seedings using the World Cup draw model.

LarryBoy and Greco will be in Pot A.

 

[rodg12]

Just remembered the whole Ballpark effect added on top of everything for this.

Looking back, I probably should have just played in Coors and tried to bomb the hell out of everyone since my pitching pretty much sucks.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Unless somebody wants to do rankings, I'm going to use the Fantrax scoring for divisional seedings using the World Cup draw model.

LarryBoy and Greco will be in Pot A.

Seems perfect.

 

[Eephus]

Just remembered the whole Ballpark effect added on top of everything for this.Looking back, I probably should have just played in Coors and tried to bomb the hell out of everyone since my pitching pretty much sucks.

The biggest problem with hitters parks in WIS is they wear down pitching staffs. You need to cover more IP/162 if you choose Coors as your home park.An all-Coors Field league would be an interesting theme league twist.

 

[SoCalBroncoFan]

Just remembered the whole Ballpark effect added on top of everything for this.Looking back, I probably should have just played in Coors and tried to bomb the hell out of everyone since my pitching pretty much sucks.

The biggest problem with hitters parks in WIS is they wear down pitching staffs. You need to cover more IP/162 if you choose Coors as your home park.An all-Coors Field league would be an interesting theme league twist.

I have played in one of those. It is insane.Add in the fatal flaw pitchers with a Coors Field league and you will see some crazy hitter stats.

 

[rodg12]

Just remembered the whole Ballpark effect added on top of everything for this.Looking back, I probably should have just played in Coors and tried to bomb the hell out of everyone since my pitching pretty much sucks.

The biggest problem with hitters parks in WIS is they wear down pitching staffs. You need to cover more IP/162 if you choose Coors as your home park.An all-Coors Field league would be an interesting theme league twist.

I could get on board with this idea.

 

[Eephus]

Just remembered the whole Ballpark effect added on top of everything for this.Looking back, I probably should have just played in Coors and tried to bomb the hell out of everyone since my pitching pretty much sucks.

The biggest problem with hitters parks in WIS is they wear down pitching staffs. You need to cover more IP/162 if you choose Coors as your home park.An all-Coors Field league would be an interesting theme league twist.

I could get on board with this idea.

Steroid era (1998-2001) All-Coors Leeg

 

[rodg12]

Just remembered the whole Ballpark effect added on top of everything for this.Looking back, I probably should have just played in Coors and tried to bomb the hell out of everyone since my pitching pretty much sucks.

The biggest problem with hitters parks in WIS is they wear down pitching staffs. You need to cover more IP/162 if you choose Coors as your home park.An all-Coors Field league would be an interesting theme league twist.

I could get on board with this idea.

Steroid era (1998-2001) All-Coors Leeg

Me likes...

 

[Spartans Rule]

Holy Mike Napoli. I knew he was having a good year, but I didn't know it was THAT good.

He was the first player I loaded in to the draft center and I thought maybe this won't be so bad after all. No such luck with the rest of the roster.

 

[Eephus]

Holy Mike Napoli. I knew he was having a good year, but I didn't know it was THAT good.He was the first player I loaded in to the draft center and I thought maybe this won't be so bad after all. No such luck with the rest of the roster.

Top WIS position player this year by $/PA

 

[Eephus]

Hoos First's team was a community effort from round #15 on. If I recall correctly, we didn't start drafting for him until round #19 or thereabouts so there were a number of skips in key rounds. In spite of that, Hoos has a pretty solid team. In particular, his starting pitching (which in fairness to Hoos, he mostly drafted himself) is excellent. He's short on catcher PAs but other than that, I can't see any reason why this won't be a competitive team.

Here are all the proxy picks. Give yourself a hand if you picked a good one.

15 . 22 ( 358 ) HoosFirst Garrett Jones OF PROXY Bogart

16 . 03 ( 363 ) HoosFirst Tommy Hunter P PROXY rodg12

17 . 22 ( 406 ) HoosFirst Eric O'Flaherty P PROXY doug B

18 . 03 ( 411 ) HoosFirst Octavio Dotel P PROXY Greco

19 . 22 ( 454 ) HoosFirst Ryan Ludwick OF PROXY eephus

20 . 03 ( 459 ) HoosFirst Jason Frasor P PROXY Tre

21 . 22 ( 502 ) HoosFirst JR Towles C PROXY eephus

22 . 03 ( 507 ) HoosFirst Mike Fontenot 2B PROXY Greco

23 . 22 ( 550 ) HoosFirst David Aardsma P PROXY eephus

23 . 23 ( 551 ) TUpside.. Angel Sanchez SS PROXY Tre

24 . 02 ( 554 ) TUpside.. Tony Sipp P PROXY Tre

24 . 03 ( 555 ) HoosFirst Lorenzo Cain OF PROXY eephus

25 . 22 ( 598 ) HoosFirst Manny Acosta P PROXY rodg12

25 . 23 ( 599 ) TUpside.. Rafael Perez P PROXY Tre

26 . 02 ( 602 ) TUpside.. Donnie Murphy 3B PROXY Tre

26 . 03 ( 603 ) HoosFirst Andy LaRoche 3B PROXY oso

27 . 22 ( 646 ) HoosFirst Jim Johnson P PROXY eephus

27 . 23 ( 647 ) TUpside.. Carlos Silva P PROXY Tre

28 . 02 ( 650 ) TUpside.. Andrew Oliver P PROXY Tre

28 . 03 ( 651 ) HoosFirst Kevin Frandsen SS PROXY eephus

29 . 22 ( 694 ) HoosFirst Todd Coffey P PROXY eephus

29 . 23 ( 695 ) TUpside.. Jordan Schafer OF PROXY Tre

30 . 02 ( 698 ) TUpside.. John Maine P PROXY Tre

30 . 03 ( 699 ) HoosFirst Wes Helms 3B PROXY eephus

31 . 13 ( 733 ) ChemX.... Jerry Sands OF PROXY Kraft

31 . 22 ( 742 ) HoosFirst Ramon Castro C PROXY eephus

32 . 03 ( 747 ) HoosFirst Nate Schierholtz OF PROXY eephus

32 . 12 ( 756 ) ChemX.... Ryan Kalish OF PROXY Kraft

33 . 13 ( 781 ) ChemX.... Kyle Gibson P PROXY Kraft

33 . 22 ( 790 ) HoosFirst Sergio Mitre P PROXY eephus

33 . 23 ( 791 ) TUpside.. Jorge Vazquez 1B PROXY tre

34 . 02 ( 794 ) TUpside.. Colin Curtis OF PROXY tre

34 . 03 ( 795 ) HoosFirst Matt Lindstrom P PROXY eephus

34 . 12 ( 804 ) ChemX.... Eric Thames OF PROXY Kraft

35 . 13 ( 829 ) ChemX.... Matt Moore P PROXY Kraft

35 . 22 ( 838 ) HoosFirst Ivan DeJesusJr 2B PROXY eephus

36 . 03 ( 843 ) HoosFirst Aaron Crow P PROXY eephus

37 . 22 ( #REF! ) HoosFirst Ross Detwiler P PROXY eephus

38 . 03 ( #REF! ) HoosFirst Andy Sonnanstine P PROXY eephus

39 . 22 ( #REF! ) HoosFirst Matt Young OF PROXY eephus

40 . 03 ( #REF! ) HoosFirst Yadel Marti P PROXY eephus

 

[jfranco77]

a thought for the 2.0 version of this... allow teams to actually DRAFT, in the original draft, a "Future Waiver Pick". So each team can strategize and decide how early they want to spend a pick not on an actual player, but for the right to take an undrafted player.

This is a brilliant idea.

 

[boubucarow]

a thought for the 2.0 version of this... allow teams to actually DRAFT, in the original draft, a "Future Waiver Pick". So each team can strategize and decide how early they want to spend a pick not on an actual player, but for the right to take an undrafted player.

This is a brilliant idea.

Yeah, I think we have a winner.

 

[Eephus]

MLB97717

Reminder: Please limit your AAA players to 3 hitters and 3 pitchers. The exact AAA roster size wasn't an option in WIS.

I also had to set the league up as a progressive in order to make all 2011 players eligible for AAA.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

MLB97717

Reminder: Please limit your AAA players to 3 hitters and 3 pitchers. The exact AAA roster size wasn't an option in WIS.

I also had to set the league up as a progressive in order to make all 2011 players eligible for AAA.

I thought it was 6 regardless of the breakdown. Not that I have 6 guys anyway (I have 3).

 

[Chemical X]

how do you get in?