With Calvin having a slow start... (1 Viewer)

[PantherPower]

There has been a lot of talk about Calvin's slow start. Depending on who you ask, some say he's a bust, others (who have watched the Lions play ) think he's done very well with limited opportunities and targets so far. So I'm curious where most sharks would rank him in a dynasty league moving forward. How many WRs would you rate about him? Seems a LOT of WRs do have some questions going into 2008...

Steve Smith (does he get Jake back, or a real QB next year?)

Randy Moss (will he be in NE?)

AJ (does he come back okay from his knee injury)

CJ (will he be a Bengal next year?)

TJ Housh (IF CJ leaves, does that affect his numbers?)

Holt (are his age, o-line, and knee legit concerns?)

Edwards (looks to be the real deal, who will his QB be next year?)

Burress (is this year a sign of things to come for Eli?)

Fitz or Boldin (take your pick, but is Leinart the franchise QB?)

 

[PantherPower]

I didn't add Wayne, TO, or Colston because I see no concerns about their immediate future.

 

[LILB811]

In no particular order I'd put the following ahead of Megatron.

CJ, Housh, Wayne, Smith, Moss, Holt, TO, Fitz, Boldin, Edwards, Orch Dork, Andre Johnson, Plax. All of these are regardless of situation.

There might be a couple other guys here and there, but I'd guess he's in the 15-18 range for receivers.

 

[ckalltheway]

I was super excited about him when I drafted him at 7th overall in our keep 4/1 under 25 league this year.

Still excited about his potential but need a solid RB2 with Willis potentially hurt.

Have offered him and a 2nd next year for Marion Barber III who I can still use as my under 25 next year.

 

[PranksterJD]

In no particular order I'd put the following ahead of Megatron.CJ, Housh, Wayne, Smith, Moss, Holt, TO, Fitz, Boldin, Edwards, Orch Dork, Andre Johnson, Plax. All of these are regardless of situation.There might be a couple other guys here and there, but I'd guess he's in the 15-18 range for receivers.

I really don't worry about Calvin from a dynasty perspective. Aside from Randy Moss and a handful of others, its not typical for rookie WRs to come in and blow up. The guy is a crazy talent, and once he gets himself adjusted to the speed and power of NFL defenders then he'll be fine.I guess I'm a little more optimistic than you are ( being an owner doesn't hurt ), but we're close. My list of dynasty guys I'd take above him ( in approximate order )...Moss, Steve Smith, Wayne, Andre Johnson, Housh, Roy, 85, Braylon. Then its Calvin, Fitz, Boldin, TO around the same level.My list gets a closer to LILB811's if you start putting more weight on 2008, as I'm not positive we even see the real talent of Megatron until late 2008 or 2009.

 

[strong]

In no particular order I'd put the following ahead of Megatron.CJ, Housh, Wayne, Smith, Moss, Holt, TO, Fitz, Boldin, Edwards, Orch Dork, Andre Johnson, Plax. All of these are regardless of situation.There might be a couple other guys here and there, but I'd guess he's in the 15-18 range for receivers.

I really don't worry about Calvin from a dynasty perspective. Aside from Randy Moss and a handful of others, its not typical for rookie WRs to come in and blow up. The guy is a crazy talent, and once he gets himself adjusted to the speed and power of NFL defenders then he'll be fine.

My biggest problem with this statement is that Roy Williams is a crazy talent, too, and he's taken a crap for the last 5 games. Maybe it's the injury to Calvin Johnson. Maybe it's Kitna. Maybe it's Martz. But that passing game is not putting up very reliable numbers...

 

[Cenobite]

[My biggest problem with this statement is that Roy Williams is a crazy talent, too, and he's taken a crap for the last 5 games. Maybe it's the injury to Calvin Johnson. Maybe it's Kitna. Maybe it's Martz. But that passing game is not putting up very reliable numbers...

Maybe it's KJ?

 

[PantherPower]

anyone else?

 

[Rev]

I see him at the low to mid teens spot in terms of WR value. Too many question marks as to if and when he will become an NFL standout to rank him higher, but too much talen to go lower.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I had him ranked 3rd in dynasty rankings before the season, which is higher than most (Chris Smith also had him 3rd).

Based on what I have seen, he will not be lower than that on my list. I have no doubt whatsoever that one day he will be the best WR in the game. And I say that with 100% conviction.

It's ok to call me crazy for this thought. But that's my honest opinion.

 

[sib]

I had him ranked 3rd in dynasty rankings before the season, which is higher than most (Chris Smith also had him 3rd). Based on what I have seen, he will not be lower than that on my list. I have no doubt whatsoever that one day he will be the best WR in the game. And I say that with 100% conviction. It's ok to call me crazy for this thought. But that's my honest opinion.

Anthony I respect your opinion on CJ and Lions news in general, but I'm curious why you have him at #3. I know CJ has some of the best measureables around, but with another stud WR opposite him (Roy), a good RB, and a OL that isn't the greatest at pass-blocking I really question if CJ can be a top #3 WR in the next 2 or 3 years. This was the same question mark with Andre Johnson. All the measureables, all the talent, but horrible situation. I'd def take guys like Steve smith, Housh, Chad Johnson, Reggie Wayne, Plax, Randy Moss, maybe Braylon Edwards also...Heck if Favre sticks around for a few more years, I think I'd take Jennings over him

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I had him ranked 3rd in dynasty rankings before the season, which is higher than most (Chris Smith also had him 3rd). Based on what I have seen, he will not be lower than that on my list. I have no doubt whatsoever that one day he will be the best WR in the game. And I say that with 100% conviction. It's ok to call me crazy for this thought. But that's my honest opinion.

Anthony I respect your opinion on CJ and Lions news in general, but I'm curious why you have him at #3. I know CJ has some of the best measureables around, but with another stud WR opposite him (Roy), a good RB, and a OL that isn't the greatest at pass-blocking I really question if CJ can be a top #3 WR in the next 2 or 3 years. This was the same question mark with Andre Johnson. All the measureables, all the talent, but horrible situation. I'd def take guys like Steve smith, Housh, Chad Johnson, Reggie Wayne, Plax, Randy Moss, maybe Braylon Edwards also...Heck if Favre sticks around for a few more years, I think I'd take Jennings over him

Among the reasons Calvin iwll be better are: more experience, maturity, learning the offense (which Kitna said even veterans don't learin it in one year), learning how to be a pro, etc. Numerous reasons. Eventually talent rises when it meets opportunity. Take a look at Braylon Edwards for proof of that. I project out three years with my rankings. I think Calvin will be a top 10 next year and top 5 or higher in 2009. Roy will not matter...look at Holt and Bruce, Harrison and Wayne, Housh and Chad...having Roy there will help him, not hurt him. The line has been a lot better since KJ came back, and because the defense has been better. The biggest reason for early season sacks was being behind and not having a running game, both of which allow the D line to pin their ears back and rush the QB. They can't do it now. I think Calvin's situation is a lot better than people believe. I have not seen anything in watching him that can keep him from being the best WR in the game by the 2009 season, his 3rd. I've already seen him make plays that 99% of players never make...and he has made them look easy. He just has not had the number of snaps to have better numbers, but there is nothing I have seen that is disappointing about his game. If I am drafting a startup dynasty league next summer, Calvin will be at or very near the top of the WRs I would take. If i believe a player will be the best, than I would have to rank them near the top. I think Calvin will be. As a matter of fact...even though "nobody cares about my team", I took Calvin in a startup dynasty last summer at 2.09, 4th WR off the board. Right now, I have no regrets. There are no certainty's in fantasy football. But if I believe something with this kind of conviction, then it has to reflect in my rankings.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Physically the guy is just gifted. He got dinged up after a decent start this year and he hasn't had a ton of targets as of late.

I rank him actually higher now than I did before the season started. I never had him close to his ADP this year because of the passing diversity that the Lions had on their team, coupled with not knowing really how good Calvin would be.

I think he's better than what I thought. I think when given the chance, he's going to be just about unbelieavable. There will be games in this guy's career when he will be absolutely unstoppable.

The one disappoinment or nagging feeling I do have is I've seen him get dinged a couple times. I don't know if it was just bad luck or is he giong to be this type of player who's always in the injury report. Either way, I'll be probably getting Calvin Johnson on more of my teams next year which looks like won't be at too expensive of a price.

 

[culdeus]

It depends on how many you keep. If it's a keep 5 league then he doesn't have a ton of value as keeping WR2s outside off TJ is a recipe for disaster. There's not a chance he's a WR1 in that system any time soon and as such I'd be looking to move him for an RB in the Barber, MJD, Jacobs area now before his value falls more with another couple sub 10 point games.

If it's a pure dynasty then he has value above the boldin tier, but below the TO, 85, TJ, Moss, Smith tier and he's worth much, much more. We are talking in the RB range of FWP, Bush, etc.

 

[Club Leftwich]

I don't think Calvin missed a game at Ga Tech, so I'm not too worried about him being the Fred Taylor of WRs.

 

[Chunky Soup]

I don't think Calvin missed a game at Ga Tech, so I'm not too worried about him being the Fred Taylor of WRs.

VERY few people would not have been hurt from the fall Calvin had earlier on his back. Some of those people include Goldberg, HHH and Jeff Pasquino.

 

[brock]

right now around 20 but this time next year he could be 3.