With Jared Allen gone (1 Viewer)

[Deranged Hermit]

I think the Jared Allen deal is going to change the draft quite a bit. Now the Chiefs aren't as locked in to taking a OT as much as they were and could draft Matt Ryan at 1.5 and snag Williams, Otah or Cherilus at 1.17. You also can't rule out that they take a Vernon Gholston, Chris Long (long shot) or Glen Dorsey and snag a QB in the early second like Brohm or Flacco (I think Henne will get snagged too soon).

I think this one move will send ripples down the whole draft board. I could easily see the following senario happening:

1. KC takes Matt Ryan.

2. Baltimore, who covets Ryan and wants a QB, trades down to get Henne later (reports are both Balt and Chicago like Henne A LOT)

3. Philadelphia trades up with Baltimore and takes McKelvin, Clady, Otah, whoever.

4. Chicago, sensing that Baltimore wants the guy they want, takes Henne earlier than they wanted to, but still gets the QB they want.

This senario doesn't even take into account the ripple that will now affect the OL like Clady, Albert, Otah and Williams.

Facinating stuff this NFL draft.

 

[trollmonger]

I thought they were probably going Matt Ryan or OT at 1.05 before. But now they can go OT at 1.17.

But suddenly they also need a DE. And there could be good value at DE at 1.05 (Gholston or Long).

I wouldn't be surprised if somehow the Jake Long signing had some influence on the trade. They might have been hoping to take Long at 1.05. Now they may see DE as potentially having the most value at the pick and figured they can get a DE here to replace Allen and an OT at 1.17. This especially makes sense if they were targetting Henne or Brohm or whomever in the 2nd.

 

[midnightxxxx]

I think they trade down with 1.5 pick.

With the Jets and Patriots always trying to jump ahead of each other is a scenario.

Dallas actually making a move for McFadden?

Baltimore potentially making a move for Ryan?

I see so many more possibilities its fun

 

[Andy Dufresne]

KC should take Sedrick Ellis with the 1.05 and Antoine Cason (or if they slip, one of the top 3 CBs) with the 1.17.

Then take Carl Nicks/Anthony Collins/Duane Brown/John Greco with the 2nd.

 

[Ridgelake]

This trade opens up KC to take one of Gholston, Long, or Ryan. As mentioned, the OT need gets addressed at 17. If they really wanted to get creative, they could also trade back into the 20s, packaging a 2nd and 3rd rounder to take one of Henne, Brohm, or Flacco. KC really controls this draft now. Its going to be a lot of fun to watch this.

 

[RBM]

KC should take Sedrick Ellis with the 1.05 and Antoine Cason (or if they slip, one of the top 3 CBs) with the 1.17.Then take Carl Nicks/Anthony Collins/Duane Brown/John Greco with the 2nd.

With those 3 picks...the HAVE TO grab one of the four qbs. HAVE TO

 

[Andy Dufresne]

KC should take Sedrick Ellis with the 1.05 and Antoine Cason (or if they slip, one of the top 3 CBs) with the 1.17.Then take Carl Nicks/Anthony Collins/Duane Brown/John Greco with the 2nd.

With those 3 picks...the HAVE TO grab one of the four qbs. HAVE TO

You're right. Go Ellis, Brohm/Henne, tackle.There's plenty of good cover-2 type corners that they can get in the 3rd.

 

[Abraham]

KC trades down with Baltimore, picking up a 1st next year. Ravens get Ryan. KC takes Albert w/ the Ravens pick and Clady/Otah/Williams with the 17.

 

[RBM]

KC should take Sedrick Ellis with the 1.05 and Antoine Cason (or if they slip, one of the top 3 CBs) with the 1.17.Then take Carl Nicks/Anthony Collins/Duane Brown/John Greco with the 2nd.

With those 3 picks...the HAVE TO grab one of the four qbs. HAVE TO

You're right. Go Ellis, Brohm/Henne, tackle.There's plenty of good cover-2 type corners that they can get in the 3rd.

What if Gholston is there at 5, do they take him over Ellis?

 

[Abraham]

KC should take Sedrick Ellis with the 1.05 and Antoine Cason (or if they slip, one of the top 3 CBs) with the 1.17.Then take Carl Nicks/Anthony Collins/Duane Brown/John Greco with the 2nd.

With those 3 picks...the HAVE TO grab one of the four qbs. HAVE TO

You're right. Go Ellis, Brohm/Henne, tackle.There's plenty of good cover-2 type corners that they can get in the 3rd.

What if Gholston is there at 5, do they take him over Ellis?

Not in that division.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

KC should take Sedrick Ellis with the 1.05 and Antoine Cason (or if they slip, one of the top 3 CBs) with the 1.17.Then take Carl Nicks/Anthony Collins/Duane Brown/John Greco with the 2nd.

With those 3 picks...the HAVE TO grab one of the four qbs. HAVE TO

You're right. Go Ellis, Brohm/Henne, tackle.There's plenty of good cover-2 type corners that they can get in the 3rd.

What if Gholston is there at 5, do they take him over Ellis?

Not in that division.

Agreed.

 

[RBM]

KC should take Sedrick Ellis with the 1.05 and Antoine Cason (or if they slip, one of the top 3 CBs) with the 1.17.Then take Carl Nicks/Anthony Collins/Duane Brown/John Greco with the 2nd.

With those 3 picks...the HAVE TO grab one of the four qbs. HAVE TO

You're right. Go Ellis, Brohm/Henne, tackle.There's plenty of good cover-2 type corners that they can get in the 3rd.

What if Gholston is there at 5, do they take him over Ellis?

Not in that division.

Agreed.

Yea true, they could use the more physical presence. They still have Hali to get to the passer and can always add a solid DE with one of their 3rd rounders.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

In general, I think this is shaping up to be the most entertaining first round in a long time.

There should be a ton of trading done in rounds 1 and 2.

 

[greenf7cat]

I haven't seen this much KC talk in this forum in soooo long... lovin' it by the way!!

 

[Lash]

""KC trades down with Baltimore, picking up a 1st next year. Ravens get Ryan. KC takes Albert w/ the Ravens pick and Clady/Otah/Williams with the 17.""

Baltimore giving up about 1400-1700 more points on draft chart with that deal so that won't happen

but i don't put it past them drafting two OL with first three picks

 

[Tecmo]

I thought they were probably going Matt Ryan or OT at 1.05 before. But now they can go OT at 1.17. But suddenly they also need a DE. And there could be good value at DE at 1.05 (Gholston or Long).I wouldn't be surprised if somehow the Jake Long signing had some influence on the trade. They might have been hoping to take Long at 1.05. Now they may see DE as potentially having the most value at the pick and figured they can get a DE here to replace Allen and an OT at 1.17. This especially makes sense if they were targetting Henne or Brohm or whomever in the 2nd.

agreed, they wanted Jake Long, now the value is pointing at Gholston or Long with 1.5 and 1.17 is now the tackle pick

 

[obxlegends]

KC should take Sedrick Ellis with the 1.05 and Antoine Cason (or if they slip, one of the top 3 CBs) with the 1.17.Then take Carl Nicks/Anthony Collins/Duane Brown/John Greco with the 2nd.

You'd not have them improve the tackle position with one of the remaining studs? Otah? Williams? Claddy?

 

[swidman]

The Bears are really effected because if they want one of the top five OL guys, they might have to trade up to get the guy they want. They could trade down to pick up another pick or two and still get a decent player at another position with their first pick, but I would really like to see them go OL first.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

KC should take Sedrick Ellis with the 1.05 and Antoine Cason (or if they slip, one of the top 3 CBs) with the 1.17.Then take Carl Nicks/Anthony Collins/Duane Brown/John Greco with the 2nd.

You'd not have them improve the tackle position with one of the remaining studs? Otah? Williams? Claddy?

I wouldn't have them take any of them at 5 and they'll all be gone by 17.

 

[midnightxxxx]

Although Gholston is a rare speciman I just can not picture him as a KC Chief. I still believe he was brought in to generate interest from other teams at the number 5 spot. I see both Clady and Albert also as reaches at the number 5 spot as well. I think the interest is more in Ellis or Long if they do not get an opportunity to trade down for more value.

The guy they probably covet the most is Dorsey but should by all means be long gone by the time they draft the 5 pick. If he is there I think they take him without second thoughts. If McFadden, Gholsten or Ryan is availiable I think they milk that ten minute window to try and generate interest for someone else to move up. At the very least they stay put and take a run at Ellis with the Chiefs picking yet again another player from USC.

 

[T Man]

This opens the door to KC and changes the Board.

I see KC either trying to lowball the Rams by offering the #5 and a 3rd and pick Dorsey. Alternatively, they can sit and see who falls to them at 5. At 5 they should have their choice of Ellis or Gholston - and either Ryan or Long. (I think that the Rams pick Dorsey and the 4th pick is McFadden).

If Ryan is on the board they can choose him or move back with the idea that they can pick up either Gholston on Ellis or OL. IF not, and they pcik, I think they choose Gholston, although I think Ellis is a better pick. While I see Albert as the choice by many prognosticators, I think it is a bit high to pick a player based upon a projected move to OT.

If they move back, I see them going for DE (maybe Harvey). They also can pick up the best available OL. With the added picks they can package picks and move up and pick up a CB or see who falls and pick them.

 

[Buckna]

Hopefully some Chiefs homers can chime in, do they even need a DE to replace Allen right away? They took Hali in the 1st two years ago and Turk McBride in the 2nd last year. How do those 2 guys measure up?

I'm not entirely sure one of the top OT will still be on the board at 17 (as a Houston fan, I'm dreading it since we are at 18), I would think it would be better to take whichever one they like at 5 and then see what's there at 17.

 

[greenf7cat]

Hopefully some Chiefs homers can chime in, do they even need a DE to replace Allen right away? They took Hali in the 1st two years ago and Turk McBride in the 2nd last year. How do those 2 guys measure up?I'm not entirely sure one of the top OT will still be on the board at 17 (as a Houston fan, I'm dreading it since we are at 18), I would think it would be better to take whichever one they like at 5 and then see what's there at 17.

KC Homer here:Yes, Turk McBride is a DE/DT. He played more DE in college, but can play both roles... he put on about 30 lbs of muscle in the offseason just incase Allen got traded... Gun told him that if Allen goes, he will be moved over to DE!!!

 

[Obie Wan]

I think they trade down with 1.5 pick. With the Jets and Patriots always trying to jump ahead of each other is a scenario.Dallas actually making a move for McFadden?Baltimore potentially making a move for Ryan?I see so many more possibilities its fun

Chiefs already have 14 picks.They need impact players - not more lower round picks

 

[midnightxxxx]

You are correct in saying they do not need more picks but that is not what I was saying. I would like to see the Cheaps move down and get more value from where they currently are in Round 1 if the desired guy they are targeting is not on the board rather than reach for a OL pick prematurely.

I would also like to see the Chiefs package some later round picks together to potentially move up in the draft as well and stockpile quality choices for players that have a shot of actually making the roster by filling a need versus just increasing competition in training camp and developmental projects.

 

[massraider]

I think it maybe makes Gholston in play for KC, and makes a Day 1 QB likely.

 

[T Man]

You are correct in saying they do not need more picks but that is not what I was saying. I would like to see the Cheaps move down and get more value from where they currently are in Round 1 if the desired guy they are targeting is not on the board rather than reach for a OL pick prematurely.I would also like to see the Chiefs package some later round picks together to potentially move up in the draft as well and stockpile quality choices for players that have a shot of actually making the roster by filling a need versus just increasing competition in training camp and developmental projects.

I see the Chiefs ultimately moving down. If Albert is there guy, he can likely be had lower. Accumulating picks does not mean that they have to use them. They can package them to move up later.

 

[midnightxxxx]

“While the Chiefs have seven of the first 105 choices, San Diego-Oakland-Denver own five of the first 105 [picks]. Combined. The Chargers have the 27th choice, the Raiders have the 4th and 104th picks and the Broncos have the 12th and 42nd selections.”

Trade possibilities are endless from where the Chiefs are sitting now:

Call it a smoke screen or simply a leak from the draft room, but word is the New York Jets would seriously consider taking Ryan if he should fall to their spot at No. 6 overall. We've talked to three league sources who are convinced New York would snatch Ryan up at that spot even though they drafted Kellen Clemens just two years ago. That's good news for the Kansas City Chiefs at No. 5, who have seen the Jets and Patriots (No. 7) get plenty of interest in their picks from teams looking to trade up but might now hear from teams wanting to get ahead of New York in order to select Ryan.

Saints looking to move up

After talking to a person familiar with the New Orleans Saints' draft-planning, it is clear they are actively seeking a reasonable deal to move into the top five. The St. Louis Rams at No. 2 are the primary target as the Saints would like to get Dorsey, and the secondary options include trading up to No. 4 (Oakland), No. 5 (Kansas City) or No. 7 (New England) to get second-rated DT Sedrick Ellis.

If they do draft Long it will be hillarious to see his daddy at his home games wearing a Chiefs jersey rooting for his son like any good father would do. LMAO