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With Reggie Bush out, which RB gets a boost in value? (1 Viewer)
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Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
deuce
EugeneChung
Footballguy
Deue but Saints have been running with 2 backs since Bush's rookie year. If anyone steps in to fill Bush's role, it would be Stecker. He's done it before but...I'm not sold.
Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
I'm anxious to see what kind of numbers Deuce can/will put up. Yes, I own him.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
3-6 weeks or more? Sounds more pessimistic than what I heard.
On topic, I'd say Stecker. he plays the "Bush" role though I think you'd see the split go more heavily in McAllister's favor. PPR I'd say Stecker.
On topic, I'd say Stecker. he plays the "Bush" role though I think you'd see the split go more heavily in McAllister's favor. PPR I'd say Stecker.
elijah dukes had a similar injury (i think), this year and was back in like two weeks! if i am remembering...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...8072802998.html
ah there you go. he was back in three weeks or so but he was ready to go in two.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...8072802998.html
ah there you go. he was back in three weeks or so but he was ready to go in two.
Deadzone21
Footballguy
Deuce. If Bush is out, I can see the Saints gameplanning with Deuce. I doubt they keep a game plan designed for Bush and expect another back to fill those shoes.
More important question in FF, is the extent of Bush injury. I can see owners sitting on pins and needles the next few days.
More important question in FF, is the extent of Bush injury. I can see owners sitting on pins and needles the next few days.
Eradicator
Footballguy
I'll add since no one seems to want to answer the question being asked- Pierre Thomas. Just a gut feeling since he's younger and will have more long term value for the club. He looked awesome in the end of the year garbage games last season too. Plus, he's the one who got reps while Duece was working into game shape (I don't know if Stecker was hurt though- maybe?) That being said, Stecker was money for a 3-4 game stretch last year and is a dependable vet. Tough call, but I'll guess Thomas.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Pierre Thomas [ 18 ] ** [51.43%]
Aaron Stecker [ 17 ] ** [48.57%]
ooof.
Aaron Stecker [ 17 ] ** [48.57%]
ooof.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
If by 'right now' you mean 'in the last game' then you're right. Otherwise, not so much. Week by week completion percentage:72%67%81%66%57%87%54%
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I think your sarcasm meter needs adjusting.
They aren't going to keep the same gameplan and expect one of these 2 to fill Reggie's shoes. It'll be a good dose of Duece doing some 'traditional' running, and a huge dose of Breese chucking the ball around. Colston returning just in time, Shockey should be ready to roll, they will throwthrowthrow...
Colt Of Personality
Footballguy
How can Deuce not be an option?
AngryGorilla
Footballguy
Pierre had his shot. Stecker does a better poor man's Reggie Bush than Pierre anyway.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
PPR league, Stecker will get about 4 or 5 Recs a game. Non-PPR... Duece until he gets slowed/injuried... then its Thomas.
Very interesting about Reggie's injury, some players comeback quickly, some are shutdown for months.... but for now we have to go w/ the 3 to 6 quote until we get more.
Very interesting about Reggie's injury, some players comeback quickly, some are shutdown for months.... but for now we have to go w/ the 3 to 6 quote until we get more.
I think they're both good RB's but when did Pierre have his shot? Did Pierre fail to perform at some point? All I see is that both Pierre and Stecker HAVE performed when given the opportunity. Stecker for about four games last season and a few the season before if memory served correctly and Pierre during the last game of the season where he seriously went off and put up LT2 numbers. Both are good backups for Bush or McAllister and Pierre has a higher yards per reception and yards per rush than Stecker. I think that Pierre is the better RB but the trend this year and last is that Stecker gets the opportunities before Pierre when they're both healthy.
Gadabout
Footballguy
This is how I think it'll be. Deuce certainly isn't the Deuce of old, but the guy can still move the pile. When I think about Pierre and Stecker playing a larger role in the offense, my serotonin levels start plummeting.
Black
Footballguy
Yes. Pierre started the first few games of the season...had a few goalline TDs, missed even more goalline TDs (note that Karney vultured one yesterday), and Pierre even blew a few 3rd and 4th and shorts. Once Duece was back, Pierre got no carries. It seemed pretty obvious that over the first 4 weeks he had his chance.
Pierre did not start the first few games of the season. He started game one and even than he was of course never the main back but he has officially only started two games in his career. The season finale last year against the Bears were he ran for 105 yards and caught 121 and game one this year when he ran for 52 yards on 10 carries and caught 2 passes. I'd hardly call that failing to perform.He also scored 3 TD's this season. It seems like a silly point for you to say he missed some goalline TD's and blew some 3rd and 4th shorts as if implying he should convert them with 100% accuracy. He is 0-3 on third or fourth and short but inside the goal line he has 6 carries inside the 10 and scored 3 times.All in all I'd say he has been pretty effective but I'm still not sure what his role is going to be. It seems to me his role mirrors Duece's role and Stecker's role mirrors Bush's, or as close to Bush as possible. We certainly know that when Duece is out it Pierre benefits but I can't confess to having any idea who benefits between Thomas or Stecker when Bush is out with Duece's role obviously increasing at least a little.
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millertyme1
Footballguy
I'd bump up Lance Moore getting more short receptions. Thomas nor Stecker are worth owning with Deuce healthy.
I'd go Stecker over Thomas if I had to make the choice. Stecker's had a role on offense the last couple weeks, Thomas hasn't. I'd just keep expectations low 2-3 recepts/game with minimal rushing yards.
I'd go Stecker over Thomas if I had to make the choice. Stecker's had a role on offense the last couple weeks, Thomas hasn't. I'd just keep expectations low 2-3 recepts/game with minimal rushing yards.
nzranger
Footballguy
That's incorrect. He started the first three games this season. You can argue the semantics of whether he got the first play from scrimmage in the game or not if you want, but he played the "deuce" role until deuce came back in wk4. This starts to makes me doubt that you watched the games, and instead are just looking at the stat line.menobrown said:
Thomas' inability to pickup 1 yd gains on the 3rd and 4th downs directly contributed to NO losing games two and three when they handed Thomas the ball to close it outGAME TWO* NO 24 WAS 22 *New Orleans Saints at 05:59 6-S.Suisham kicks 59 yards from WAS 30 to NO 11. 18-T.Copper to NO 28 for 17 yards (11-D.Thomas, 51-A.Fincher). 1-10-NO 28 (5:52) 9-D.Brees pass short middle to 25-R.Bush to NO 33 for 5 yards (59-L.Fletcher). 2-5-NO 33 (5:13) 23-P.Thomas left guard to NO 37 for 4 yards (99-A.Carter). 3-1-NO 37 (4:34) 23-P.Thomas right tackle to NO 37 for no gain (96-C.Griffin, 48-C.Horton). 4-1-NO 37 (3:46) 7-S.Weatherford punts 30 yards to WAS 33, Center-47-K.Houser, out of bounds. Washington Redskins at 03:38 1-10-WAS 33 (3:38) 17-J.Campbell pass deep middle to 89-S.Moss for 67 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Game winning touchdown 6-S.Suisham extra point is GOOD, Center-67-E.Albright, Holder-14-D.Brooks. NO 24 WAS 29 Plays: 1 Possession: 0:09 GAME THREE* NO 17 DEN 24 *New Orleans Saints at 00:57 (First half)2-1-DEN 1menobrown said:
57) 23-P.Thomas up the middle to DEN 1 for no gain (63-D.Robertson, 55-D.Williams). Timeout #3 by DEN at 00:46. 3-1-DEN 1 46) 9-D.Brees FUMBLES (Aborted) at DEN 1, recovered by NO-44-M.Karney at DEN 1. 44-M.Karney to DEN 1 for no gain (60-J.Engelberger). Play Challenged by Replay Assistant and Upheld. Timeout #3 by NO at 00:31. 4-1-DEN 1 31) 23-P.Thomas up the middle to DEN 1 for no gain (58-N.Webster). * NO 32 DEN 34 *New Orleans Saints at 03:35 (2nd half)1-10-DEN 33 (3:35) 25-R.Bush right tackle to DEN 26 for 7 yards (33-M.Manuel). DEN-20-M.McCree was injured during the play. 2-3-DEN 26 (3:04) 25-R.Bush up the middle to DEN 24 for 2 yards (63-D.Robertson). 3-1-DEN 24 (2:19) 23-P.Thomas right guard to DEN 25 for -1 yards (55-D.Williams). Two-Minute Warning 4-2-DEN 25 (2:00) 1-M.Gramatica 43 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Right, Center-47-K.Houser, Holder-7-S.Weatherford. Two of his TD came from 5yds out and one from 10. My point is that he has not been an effective inside the tackle runner with a stacked box this season and cannot move a pile. He has been effective when the defense was reading pass.Not trying to belittle you there homie but I don't think the poop you were putting out was accurate. My 2 cents says that Thomas will stay on punt returns, and Deuce receives the major bump from a Bush absence. Spelled when necessary by Stecker (Deuce is an old man at 29 you know..)FYI, Pierre Thomas does kickoff returns for all of you in return leagues. Next week they play San Diego and that'll be a shoot out to say least especially if Chris Chambers is back. So even if Aaron Stecker gets most of the no. 2 carries, you'll have Pierre's returns as an insurance. If he gets 10 carries or more, you're golden.
Traders2001
Footballguy
Deuce i dont anyone else getting more then 4 touches a game.
tribecalledjeff
Footballguy
Which do you think sees the biggest increase in value? Do you ever have opinions?
Please stop embarrassing yourself by insulting me and saying what I said was not correct when it was 100% factual.That's incorrect. He started the first three games this season. You can argue the semantics of whether he got the first play from scrimmage in the game or not if you want, but he played the "deuce" role until deuce came back in wk4. This starts to makes me doubt that you watched the games, and instead are just looking at the stat line.menobrown said:Thomas' inability to pickup 1 yd gains on the 3rd and 4th downs directly contributed to NO losing games two and three when they handed Thomas the ball to close it outGAME TWOmenobrown said:
* NO 24 WAS 22 *
New Orleans Saints at 05:59
6-S.Suisham kicks 59 yards from WAS 30 to NO 11. 18-T.Copper to NO 28 for 17 yards (11-D.Thomas, 51-A.Fincher).
1-10-NO 28 (5:52) 9-D.Brees pass short middle to 25-R.Bush to NO 33 for 5 yards (59-L.Fletcher).
2-5-NO 33 (5:13) 23-P.Thomas left guard to NO 37 for 4 yards (99-A.Carter).
3-1-NO 37 (4:34) 23-P.Thomas right tackle to NO 37 for no gain (96-C.Griffin, 48-C.Horton).
4-1-NO 37 (3:46) 7-S.Weatherford punts 30 yards to WAS 33, Center-47-K.Houser, out of bounds.
Washington Redskins at 03:38
1-10-WAS 33 (3:38) 17-J.Campbell pass deep middle to 89-S.Moss for 67 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Game winning touchdown
6-S.Suisham extra point is GOOD, Center-67-E.Albright, Holder-14-D.Brooks.
NO 24 WAS 29 Plays: 1 Possession: 0:09
GAME THREE
* NO 17 DEN 24 *
New Orleans Saints at 00:57 (First half)
2-1-DEN 1
Timeout #3 by DEN at 00:46.
3-1-DEN 1
Timeout #3 by NO at 00:31.
4-1-DEN 1
* NO 32 DEN 34 *
New Orleans Saints at 03:35 (2nd half)
1-10-DEN 33 (3:35) 25-R.Bush right tackle to DEN 26 for 7 yards (33-M.Manuel). DEN-20-M.McCree was injured during the play.
2-3-DEN 26 (3:04) 25-R.Bush up the middle to DEN 24 for 2 yards (63-D.Robertson).
3-1-DEN 24 (2:19) 23-P.Thomas right guard to DEN 25 for -1 yards (55-D.Williams).
Two-Minute Warning
4-2-DEN 25 (2:00) 1-M.Gramatica 43 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Right, Center-47-K.Houser, Holder-7-S.Weatherford.
Two of his TD came from 5yds out and one from 10. My point is that he has not been an effective inside the tackle runner with a stacked box this season and cannot move a pile. He has been effective when the defense was reading pass.
Not trying to belittle you there homie but I don't think the poop you were putting out was accurate.
My 2 cents says that Thomas will stay on punt returns, and Deuce receives the major bump from a Bush absence. Spelled when necessary by Stecker (Deuce is an old man at 29 you know..)
It makes reading these boards difficult when people like you resort to insults and spreading false and inaccurate information. Next time try to come to the discussion prepared instead of making up garbage claims.
In the future when you want to know if someone started a game you can go to NFL.com. Here is the link to Pierre Thomas which shows he started the opener only: http://www.nfl.com/players/pierrethomas/ga...gs?id=THO085535
Bermuda_Chub
Footballguy
P. Thomas's running ability is not in question -- it's his pass-blocking that fails him. With the ball in his hands, he's twice the back Stecker is and much more versatile than the current ligamentless version of Deuce. Stecker was banged up on the last series of the Panthers game. He was last seen wincing and talking to the coaches while holding his lower back. If he's healthy, I expect he will see the field far more often than Thomas in London next week. If he's ineffective, I expect Thomas to expand his workload after the bye.
Here's hoping Reggie borrows TO's oxygen tent, because the Saints and I are going to need him if we hope to make the playoffs.
Here's hoping Reggie borrows TO's oxygen tent, because the Saints and I are going to need him if we hope to make the playoffs.
pierre is only averaging 3.6 ypc to stecker's 4.3 ypc, but that is because he has more goalline carries. Pierre is however averaging 6.9 YPR to stecker's 4.3 ypr. Overall, pierre has been used more this year. He gets my vote. Take outthe goalline carries and he averages 5.0 per rushing attempy. Not too shabby.
harryhood
Footballguy
Would we all agree that part of Brees' gaudy stats and a main reason the Saints move the ball through the air so well is due to the outside swing option that Bush gives them? I dont see the saints much but from the box scores it would appear that way(ie reggies reception total)
Loosing Bush really puts a hamper on what they want to do however I still feel like they are going to need to utilize those swing passes to make their offense work. They arent a team who wants to pound duece and pierre 30 times a game. They want to let their WRs get open and hit a back in the flat if nothing is there.
Can Thomas and Duece be this versatile out of the backfield or are they just pound it North and South type backs? I would think that Stecker knows bush's role much more than Thomas or Duece which is why I am giving his strong consideration for a flex play in a ppr league. I dont doubt Thomas is the better running back but I think a bush-type back is vital to making this offense move, not sure if that is Thomas or not.
Loosing Bush really puts a hamper on what they want to do however I still feel like they are going to need to utilize those swing passes to make their offense work. They arent a team who wants to pound duece and pierre 30 times a game. They want to let their WRs get open and hit a back in the flat if nothing is there.
Can Thomas and Duece be this versatile out of the backfield or are they just pound it North and South type backs? I would think that Stecker knows bush's role much more than Thomas or Duece which is why I am giving his strong consideration for a flex play in a ppr league. I dont doubt Thomas is the better running back but I think a bush-type back is vital to making this offense move, not sure if that is Thomas or not.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
He's averaging 10 pts per game in my return yardage league - the KRs sealed the deal for me to pick him up over Stecker to replace Reggie. In a non-return league, I really don't know which of these two guys is the better one to have - I kind of think the beneficiaries here are Moore, Colston, Deuce and, to some extent, Patten - IMO, Stecker/Thomas are only going to be bit players in this offense - neither are Reggie
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Before the most recent injury, Deuce was a fine receiver out of the backfield. With Reggie Bush on the field, he doesn't need to use that skill. But he has it.Someone mentioned that Thomas' pass blocking is what keeps him off the field - that is probably the most accurate statement in this thread about why Thomas might not see the field as much as Stecker.
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cowboymouth
Footballguy
Deuce
Stecker
Thomas
Stecker
Thomas
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
I approve this order as a Saints homer. This has always been the order and will continue to be the order. Also Deuce will get over 60% of the carries and will step in well. He is in great shape and is a buy low canidate IMO. When Bush returns Deuce will deserve a bigger share of the load going forward. PT blew two games for the Saints and couldn't even gain a needed yard once in the Washington game and twice in the Denver game. He is the punt / kickoff return man and not much else IMO
Chaka
Footballguy
I am very interested to see how this plays out.
DoctorFantasy
Footballguy
Regardless of the pending Deuce situation, Pierre is the guy to have at this point who offers the most upside.
Chaka
Footballguy
There is a huge difference in Thomas' value depending on the Deuce situation.With Deuce in the lineup Thomas is a RB 3 at the very best, most likely a RB 4 or 5 who might not even be worth a roster spot. If Deuce gets suspended Thomas becomes a RB 3 at the very worst and you should make every effort to roster him.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
FWIW, Deuce won't get suspended quickly ...
millertyme1
Footballguy
I think this Deuce situation will take a few weeks, but as of right now, this is how I see it as well. If Deuce is out, the gap between Stecker could lessen.
