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Witness history being made..... (1 Viewer)
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McJose
Footballguy
You're probably right.
Could you please explain the entire concept of "several people running as fast as possible towards and objective and the first person to reach that objective is declared the winner." This is a very complex sporting event for sure.
bigbottom
Footballguy
If you are confused over a 100m dash, I doubt anything that can be said could help you.
The big story is this...WHITE USA SPRINTER RUNS A SUB10.00. Which had never been done. Yes race is the story here. The HS thing secondary.
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McJose
Footballguy
I AM totally confused.
So these competitors run for a distance of 100 meters? Did I get that right?
Does the route aways have to be in a straight line or can it be curved or angled?
Would it be possible for the racers to run 50 meters in one direction and then run back in the other direction for a total of 100 meters?
Could a racer run ten 10 meter lengths and then add up the times to determine his 100 meter time?
bigbottom
Footballguy
According to folks in the link you posted (for what it's worth), that is not accurate.
It appears a 100m sprint is a bit too complex for ya McJose, Google....the 100 meters....and read.
Gary Coal Man
Footballguy
Because nearly all national and international sprinting records, including on the high school level, are held by black athletes. So the kid being white adds a surprising aspect to his feat which many people find interesting due to its novelty.
I've seen several comments from what appear to be black commenters on other sites saying something to the effect of "That white boy is fast!" regarding Boling. Should they also be admonished for noticing that Boling's race is different than nearly all his top competitors?
Excitement
Based on a true story
The year was 1954, the place/event The California State High School Track and Field Championships. The next event on the track the finals of the boys 100 yard dash.
James Jackson from Alameda HS had just tied the National 100 yard record of 9.4 (Jesse Owens) a week prior and had never lost a 100 yards, he was undefeated.
Delano's Lemon King ran his record tying 9.4 a week before Jackson and he also had never lost a 100 yard dash.
Here we had the two fastest HS kids in the world finally meeting. the crowd was on their feet, news crews from all over the world where he to wiitness this.
In lane five stood the short but muscular James Jackson wearing his now famous on black knee high sock looking totally confident. Right next to him the long tall slender Lemon King looking as serious and determined as it gets.
The starter.....runners come to your marks. As a hush came over the crowd,. you could hear a pin drop,
Set............
Based on a true story
The year was 1954, the place/event The California State High School Track and Field Championships. The next event on the track the finals of the boys 100 yard dash.
James Jackson from Alameda HS had just tied the National 100 yard record of 9.4 (Jesse Owens) a week prior and had never lost a 100 yards, he was undefeated.
Delano's Lemon King ran his record tying 9.4 a week before Jackson and he also had never lost a 100 yard dash.
Here we had the two fastest HS kids in the world finally meeting. the crowd was on their feet, news crews from all over the world where he to wiitness this.
In lane five stood the short but muscular James Jackson wearing his now famous on black knee high sock looking totally confident. Right next to him the long tall slender Lemon King looking as serious and determined as it gets.
The starter.....runners come to your marks. As a hush came over the crowd,. you could hear a pin drop,
Set............
I knew somebody here would get it.
When Christophe LeMaitre from France became the first white to break 10.00 we all got it,, there was no reason to play silly games about it, all that race BS went out the window, just tell it like it really is....FINALLY a white guy broke 10.00.
When people get silly over race is when it gets annoying.
There are no white cornerbacks in the NFL. Yep, they lack the speed to run with black WR's, just a simple fact of life, anyone getting all uptight over facts is on them.
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Nugget
Footballguy
Can I complain about the thread title? If it would have said anything like “white high school track” I never would have clicked.
bigbottom
Footballguy
According to your link, that four other white sprinters have run sub-10 seconds on the 100m dash. But I guess none of them were American? If so, I guess you're right.
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This would be the All Time 100m for Paleface USA Sprinters
lane
1.Charles Paddock USC 1920 Olympic gold/WR 9.5
2.Mel Patton USC WR 9.3 Olympic 200m gold
3.Dave Sime Duke WR 9.3 Olympic 10m silver/gtrandpa of Panthers RB Christian McCaffrey
4.Bobby Morrow ACU 1956 Olympic 100/200m gold/ WR9.3
5.Hal Davis Cal WR 9.4....he had no Olympics to win in 1940, he would have,
6.Frank Wykoff USC WR9.4
7.James Teeters Oklahoma State 10.00, he is currently competing (big cat, why no football?)
8.Kevin Little Drake 10.13, better at 200m.
I do expect Boling to be there someday.
lane
1.Charles Paddock USC 1920 Olympic gold/WR 9.5
2.Mel Patton USC WR 9.3 Olympic 200m gold
3.Dave Sime Duke WR 9.3 Olympic 10m silver/gtrandpa of Panthers RB Christian McCaffrey
4.Bobby Morrow ACU 1956 Olympic 100/200m gold/ WR9.3
5.Hal Davis Cal WR 9.4....he had no Olympics to win in 1940, he would have,
6.Frank Wykoff USC WR9.4
7.James Teeters Oklahoma State 10.00, he is currently competing (big cat, why no football?)
8.Kevin Little Drake 10.13, better at 200m.
I do expect Boling to be there someday.
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rockaction
Footballguy
This is how these threads always go with Zeno for anybody not paying attention. Eventually it comes down to really dated notions of "common sense" when it comes to athletics and "old school" when it comes to sociopolitical issues and the like. It's a drag.
It's predictable how these threads go (BECAUSE HE STARTS A ####### ####-TON OF THEM) when the subject is white or black.
It's predictable how these threads go (BECAUSE HE STARTS A ####### ####-TON OF THEM) when the subject is white or black.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yes, and pointing it out is as controversial as mud. What you don't account for is the degree to which race acts as a deterrent to attempt to enter or participate rather than a predetermining trait or thing. See: European basketball players and the NBA.
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The big news is.....White USA sprinter breaks 10.00.....and for that to be just some HS kid....wow~
I always looked at you as a guy who took this suff WAY too seriously, how about just relaxing a bit guy, ok? Talk a little track, music, whatever, stop worrying about what others do, alright?
Dude, chill, ok?
rockaction
Footballguy
Dude, that's great that you look at me that way. You have no idea how communities form, how to elicit a response, how to know when to break a rule, etc.
I'm not worried about what you do anymore, you simply now annoy me with your redundancy and predictability. I'm very chill.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I think I would be good at this one. Just give me a couple hour time frame to work with.
McJose
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Yes. European basketball players had the combination of the speed and size necessary for basketball that people thought white athletes lacked for decades. What people didn't ever consider was the barriers to entry and the seeking out of other sports and positions, on average, more likely to suit white athletes rather than attempt to individuate and judge each individual based on just that -- the individual. This seeking out of other sports more suited to bodies of European descent affected white participation in basketball or white prominence in the edges and backs of football.
The same can be said of baseball and hockey and barriers to entry, be they physical or sociopolitical (cost and space, etc.)
You really do need to just have fun this stuff guy, it really isn't all that, ok guy?
rockaction
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Instead of using the word "guy", the shark move would havevbeen to use the word "chief".
Chaka
Footballguy
When talking sprinting the difference between those with roots to western Africa and the rest of the world is totally dramatic, far bigger gap than any other sport.
And instead of....havevbeen....how about...have been.
See how silly that kind of thing is?
rockaction
Footballguy
This has been covered for decades about the difference between West and East Africa and the so-called fast and slow-twitch muscles assigned to each region, race, and continent. But individuation, mixed with multiracial offspring, has muddied the waters and lessened the absoluteness of any broad categorical judgment. Indeed, even if we are to take as given that:
- races are easily delineated
- they are not socially constructed and
- tend to have tendencies that cluster around an average as far as heritable physical and/or intellectual traits
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Gary Coal Man
Footballguy
Alright, let's extend that train of thought. Basketball is wildly popular in China. Chinese boys grow up playing basketball, and China has a 20 team professional basketball league that has produced a handful of NBA players. So both the participation and the "seeing someone who looks like me excelling" factors have been filled. Why don't we see more Chinese players in the NBA since so many people in the world's most populous nation participate in basketball?
And are white boys really deterred from participating in high school track? There's undoubtedly more white high school track athletes in America than there are black high school track athletes, but the black sprinters still dominate at the national level. Just is what it is.
Chaka
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Social pressures and artificial constructs regarding sport play a large role in who participates. See Malcolm Gladwell's study of the Canadian National Junior Hockey Team and birthdays, for instance. Something as simple as being born in January was statistically significant given the age cutoffs at youth levels and physical development, where early development served to benefit the January babies while weeding out the later ones from participating due to a lack of prowess because of the timeline of average physical development.
Barriers to entry are subtle and often overlooked by those even smarter than us. Common wisdom is often wrong. Do blacks lack the faculties necessary to play quarterback, as was thought for decades even while football was integrated? No. That is overt, though. There are subtler pressures likely at work here.
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Gary Coal Man
Footballguy
Perhaps, but we still have more white high school students than black high school students participating in track in America, and it's always been that way. So some supposed lack of white participation in high school track isnt't leading to lack of whites excelling at the highest level of sprints like, say, lack of historical black participation in hockey led to a lack of black players in the NHL.
I respectfully disagree, but you're entitled to your opinion.
Would you concede that there's also likely genetics at work here?
rockaction
Footballguy
Oh wow. That was a "no." Check the edit. I meant to, in the flow of the sentence say that blacks are eminently qualified to play quarterback. Whoops.
rockaction
Footballguy
To a degree, yes. I think we can admit that human beings tend to cluster around certain averages by race while also not denying that there are real social pressures regarding participation in certain events and entry into certain positions and games. There are always outliers, and I think they're more common than we think.
What is it about the greatest running backs....
Jim Brown
Barry Sanders
Walter Payton
Eric Dickerson
Emmitt Smith
O.J.Simpson
Adrian Peterson
Greatest 100m sprinters
Usain Bolt
Justin Gatlin
Yohan Blake
Tyson Gay
Bob Hayes
Mo Greene
Carl Lewis
Greatest WR....Jerry Rice
Greatest DB...Deion Sanders
Greatest KR...Devin Hester
Greatest long jumper...Carl Lewis
Aren't you getting? All with those western African roots.
You are telling me those quicks, agility, elusiveness we see from a Gale Sayers, Devin Hester, Marshall Faulk, O.J.Simpson, Tyreek Hill, isn't ALL about genetics? Huh????
You do know studies have been made proving a different physique, right?
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China, Poland, Iran, Mexico, Germany, Russia, Iraq, Pakistan, Italy, Greece, Ireland, Japan, Afganistan, France, Mongolia, Syria, combined can't match that tiny Caribbean island Trinidad when it comes to sprinting....why?
This is something unique to the black athlete,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Ms_37TWBI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2-q0dJlYIc
That has...0....to do with culure, social economical, and all that other other silliness, this is just something blacks possess that others don't, yep, a gift.
This is something unique to the black athlete,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Ms_37TWBI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2-q0dJlYIc
That has...0....to do with culure, social economical, and all that other other silliness, this is just something blacks possess that others don't, yep, a gift.
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Galileo
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Thanks for the thread. We all could have read Taboo or listened to our fathers or used "common sense" to draw conclusions as radical as you have. The problem is this:
You can't tell that the lack of representation of blacks in baseball and hockey is anything but social barriers to entry when baseball was once very multiracial and integrated and proof of the similarity of the races regarding baseball's skill set.
- You have no idea how history will turn out
- You have no idea how to quantify social pressures or even address them
- You have no idea how to handle outliers from racial averages
- You have no idea how to use nuance and anything other than observation of artificial constructs and rules for drawing conclusions
You can't tell that the lack of representation of blacks in baseball and hockey is anything but social barriers to entry when baseball was once very multiracial and integrated and proof of the similarity of the races regarding baseball's skill set.
