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Wonderlic scores revisited... (1 Viewer)
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MCguidance
Footballguy
I think we need more than two scores - which may or may not be outliers - to answer such a question.
shader
Footballguy
I could probably get close to a 40 on the wonderlic. But I couldn't complete one pass out of 20 on a football field.
I don't think scoring high means much. There is a baseline level of intelligence required to play QB.
But I think a 6 might be a huge red flag......as Vince Young is showing.
I don't think scoring high means much. There is a baseline level of intelligence required to play QB.
But I think a 6 might be a huge red flag......as Vince Young is showing.
Andy Herron
Footballguy
If it wasn't deemed to be a tangible barometer, among many other factors, it wouldn't be continued to be a measuring stick.
Obviously, some put more credence into it than others. Buyer beware. Condolences to the Titans. They had their guy in their own back yard and blew it.
Obviously, some put more credence into it than others. Buyer beware. Condolences to the Titans. They had their guy in their own back yard and blew it.
MCguidance
Footballguy
Interesting
Frank Black
Footballguy
Oh boy, I was afraid someone would bring this pitiful subject up after the Vince Young news. There are many problems in reaching a rational conclusion, including the glaring fact that there are not enough scorers on the extreme low end to render a sufficient control group.
Charlie Harper
Footballguy
Marino, Dan 14
Favre, Brett 22
McNabb, Donovan 16, 12
Means nothing...
Favre, Brett 22
McNabb, Donovan 16, 12
Means nothing...
Frank Black
Footballguy
Flawed reasoning there. For example, most lawyers agree that the LSAT has nothing to do with skills that attorneys exhibit in practicing law; yet law schools ahere to the concept that the LSAT is a reasonable barometer. Are the vast majority of practicing attorneys wrong about the purported barometer just because the status quo has always admistered the exam?
TitusIII
Footballguy
I wouldn't say nothing, but it surely doesn't mean much. On the other hand, if you score a 6, a score the average 10 year old wouldn't have much trouble reaching, you're probably a mouth-breather, and too dumb to play QB. Of course, there are exceptions to every rule, and apparently the Titans thought Young's athleticism would offset his lack of brains, but that was quite a gamble.
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Osaurus
Footballguy
Alex Smith has small hands.....does that mean anything?
Andy Herron
Footballguy
Sure it does.As I said, "one of many" barometers.These guys had already displayed the skills in the passing game, and understanding of reading defenses.Vince Young displayed "nil."Peyton Manning didn't score all that well on this test either, but was there ever any question as to his mind for the game? No.During his college years (away from home) he didn't know how to open a can of soup and even tried to heat it up in the microwave, but you hand him a playbook and he can tell you exactly what's laid out.
Andy Herron
Footballguy
I'm just simply stating a fact there, counselor.
Charlie Harper
Footballguy
Umm... you just proved my point that it means nothing.
bcr8f
Footballguy
Just because you don't understand what it means doesn't mean it means nothing.Everything means something. If the wonderlik doesn't register football knowledge it needs to
Also, didn't Javon Walker score ~6 as well? Being 40+ doesn't seem to matter, but being under 10 definitely seems to.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I took one for a job interview last summer. Scored 39. What do you make of that?Charlie Harper said:
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Team ROFLCOPTERS
Footballguy
Vick got a 9.
Notable High Scores:
Drew Henson 42
Alex Smith 40
Eli Manning 39
Tony Romo 37
Drew Bledsoe 36
Matt Leinart 35
Kellen Clemens 35
Tom Brady 33
John Beck 30
Philip Rivers 30
Brady Quinn 29
Drew Brees 28
Peyton Manning 28
Ryan Leaf 27
Ben Roethlisberger 25
Notable Low Scores:
Tarvaris Jackson 19
Derek Anderson 19
Vince Young 16
Dan Marino 15
Terry Bradshaw 15
Donovan McNabb 14
David Garrard 14
Kordell Stewart 13
Marcus Vick 11
Jeff George 10
Chris Leak 8*
http://cowboyblog.com/?p=1362
Drew Henson 42
Alex Smith 40
Eli Manning 39
Tony Romo 37
Drew Bledsoe 36
Matt Leinart 35
Kellen Clemens 35
Tom Brady 33
John Beck 30
Philip Rivers 30
Brady Quinn 29
Drew Brees 28
Peyton Manning 28
Ryan Leaf 27
Ben Roethlisberger 25
Notable Low Scores:
Tarvaris Jackson 19
Derek Anderson 19
Vince Young 16
Dan Marino 15
Terry Bradshaw 15
Donovan McNabb 14
David Garrard 14
Kordell Stewart 13
Marcus Vick 11
Jeff George 10
Chris Leak 8*
http://cowboyblog.com/?p=1362
kaa
Footballguy
Dan Marino WAS dumb.
He had a lightning quick release. It was impossible to blitz him. Blitz him and he would throw TDs on you all day. But as Marino got older, he got more control over the offense and got to call audibles. And his audibles were absolutely terrible. Jimmy Johnson was kind of intimidated by Marino and worked around it by dumbing down the playbook so he couldn't audible to anything too damaging.
He had a lightning quick release. It was impossible to blitz him. Blitz him and he would throw TDs on you all day. But as Marino got older, he got more control over the offense and got to call audibles. And his audibles were absolutely terrible. Jimmy Johnson was kind of intimidated by Marino and worked around it by dumbing down the playbook so he couldn't audible to anything too damaging.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
A: yes they matter.
Though no single test is going to predict success or failure.
Though no single test is going to predict success or failure.
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MG345
Footballguy
There may not be a singal test, but is there a single test?
az_prof
Footballguy
Based on these lists I would rather take my chances with the guys scoring over 25 rather than the guys scoring under 20. Besides Marino, Bradshaw and McNabb, the second group is pretty pedestrian. I never thought Bradshaw was that good--he played on a great team. McNabb is an athletic Qb and in his own way, so was Marino.
sho nuff
Footballguy
When had Favre displayed any skills in reading defenses? He did not even know what a nickel defense was until Ty Detmer told him once he got to Green Bay.
Only if they smell like cabbage....
Frank Black
Footballguy
The fact part of your statement was that it has been continued to be used as a measuring stick. Your statement that "if it wasn't deemed to be a tangible barometer" is an opinion, not a fact.
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T Bell
Footballguy
If you have poor talent, and you score low, you've got two strikes against you.
If you have good talent, and you score low, you've got one strike against you.
If you have poor talent, and you score high, you've got one strike against you.
If you have good talent, and you score high, you've got no strikes against you.
"Strikes" BTW can be overcome and are not absolute determinants of success or failure.
HTH.
If you have good talent, and you score low, you've got one strike against you.
If you have poor talent, and you score high, you've got one strike against you.
If you have good talent, and you score high, you've got no strikes against you.
"Strikes" BTW can be overcome and are not absolute determinants of success or failure.
HTH.
BuckeyeArt
Footballguy
I think the biggest problem with the test is in the scoring. Someone who answers all 50 questions and gets 10 correct receives a score of a 10. Another guy who answers only 10 questions yet gets all 10 correct also receives a 10. These 2 players are not equal. The 1st could have ignored the questions and on average received a 10.
Most players don't answer all 50 questions. Since there is no penalty for a wrong answer, the ones who understand this will answer all the questions and receive a higher score.
They need to score it like they score the SAT's. You should receive 1 point for each correct and receive a deduction of a 0.25 point for each wrong answer. Or, they could quote the score as a percentage of the total answered. Either way would give you more information than the way they do it now.
Most players don't answer all 50 questions. Since there is no penalty for a wrong answer, the ones who understand this will answer all the questions and receive a higher score.
They need to score it like they score the SAT's. You should receive 1 point for each correct and receive a deduction of a 0.25 point for each wrong answer. Or, they could quote the score as a percentage of the total answered. Either way would give you more information than the way they do it now.
Interception Irwin
Footballguy
I feel almost dirty posting this, and I'm definitely not trying to draw a correlation or anything, but this just jumped out at me while scanning these lists.
Notable High Scores:
Drew Henson 42 - white
Alex Smith 40 - white
Eli Manning 39 - white
Tony Romo 37 - white
Drew Bledsoe 36 - white
Matt Leinart 35 - white
Kellen Clemens 35 - white
Tom Brady 33 - white
John Beck 30 - white
Philip Rivers 30 - white
Brady Quinn 29 - white
Drew Brees 28 - white
Peyton Manning 28 - white
Ryan Leaf 27 - white
Ben Roethlisberger 25 - white
Notable Low Scores:
Tarvaris Jackson 19 - black
Derek Anderson 19 - white
Vince Young 16 - black
Dan Marino 15 - white
Terry Bradshaw 15 - white
Donovan McNabb 14 - black
David Garrard 14 - black
Kordell Stewart 13 - black
Marcus Vick 11 - black
Jeff George 10 - white
Chris Leak 8* - black
Notable High Scores:
Drew Henson 42 - white
Alex Smith 40 - white
Eli Manning 39 - white
Tony Romo 37 - white
Drew Bledsoe 36 - white
Matt Leinart 35 - white
Kellen Clemens 35 - white
Tom Brady 33 - white
John Beck 30 - white
Philip Rivers 30 - white
Brady Quinn 29 - white
Drew Brees 28 - white
Peyton Manning 28 - white
Ryan Leaf 27 - white
Ben Roethlisberger 25 - white
Notable Low Scores:
Tarvaris Jackson 19 - black
Derek Anderson 19 - white
Vince Young 16 - black
Dan Marino 15 - white
Terry Bradshaw 15 - white
Donovan McNabb 14 - black
David Garrard 14 - black
Kordell Stewart 13 - black
Marcus Vick 11 - black
Jeff George 10 - white
Chris Leak 8* - black
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Phurfur
Footballguy
It obviously means the test is racially biased.
