World's Greatest Draft (2 Viewers)

[timschochet]

Q: If a person's name is unknown, can we draft the person by describing the event?

I see your point, but I'd rather you didn't. I prefer not to have picks like, "the dude that created the wheel" if that's the sort of thing you have in mind. There's plenty of people out there who we know something about them.

Can we get some clarification on pairs, trios, groups, etc. Won't affect anything now, but for down the road. I can think of a few where you have to draft both since neither would work as a stand alone, but PLEASE, no 1980 USA Hockey Team or 442nd Regiment in this one.

How DARE you? The 442nd was an AWESOME pick. The write-up, (which I wrote myself, no pasting) brings tears to my eyes...I set the rules down in the third post. With the exception of one category, NO pairs, NO trios. That category is musician/performer, in which you can select modern rock/pop/jazz type bands if so you choose.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Q: If a person's name is unknown, can we draft the person by describing the event?

I see your point, but I'd rather you didn't. I prefer not to have picks like, "the dude that created the wheel" if that's the sort of thing you have in mind. There's plenty of people out there who we know something about them.

The plow is the most important invention ever. The dude/dudette that invented it is therefore the most important inventor ever.

I'm going to draft the guy who invented God.

I would say that's been a lousy invention.

 

[timschochet]

FUBAR pmed me this guy which he apparently wishes to draft. I said no.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tianasquare.jpg

 

[Usual21]

1.14 - Ludwig van Beethoven - COMPOSER

In my opinion, the greatest composer that ever lived. There were others that he was influenced by and others that he influenced, but I truly believe that he was the greatest. Two of the greatest pieces of music in history are his Fur Elise and Moonlight Sonata. Might be a reach in round 1, but I really wanted him. Now go ahead and tear this pick apart =)

Ludwig van Beethoven was a German composer and pianist. He was a crucial figure in the transitional period between the Classical and Romantic eras in Western classical music, and remains one of the most acclaimed and influential composers of all time. Born in Bonn, then in the Electorate of Cologne in western Germany, he moved to Vienna in his early twenties and settled there, studying with Joseph Haydn and quickly gaining a reputation as a virtuoso pianist. Beethoven's hearing gradually deteriorated beginning in his twenties, yet he continued to compose, and to conduct and perform, even after he was completely deaf.

 

[BobbyLayne]

1.14 - Ludwig Von Beethoven - COMPOSER

In my opinion, the greatest composer that ever lived. There were others that he was influenced by and others that he influenced, but I truly believe that he was the greatest. Two of the greatest pieces of music in history are his Fur Elise and Moonlight Sonata. Might be a reach in round 1, but I really wanted him. Now go ahead and tear this pick apart =)

I would have went Gregorian chant here, but that's just me.

Good chance he will be 1st or 2nd in the category, so seems like a solid choice.

 

[BobbyLayne]

FUBAR pmed me this guy which he apparently wishes to draft. I said no.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tianasquare.jpg

Big can of worms...allow that and pretty soon people are drafting 'Kilroy was here'.

 

[timschochet]

One of three reasonable choices for the top spot in the composer category, but this happens to be the choice I myself would go with. Usual mentions Fur Elise and Moonlight Sonata, but probably it's the Fifth Symphony, as overplayed as it is, which is his single greatest contribution, and the most well known piece of music ever composed.

I have to leave for quite some time, will update when I return.

 

[Usual21]

One of three reasonable choices for the top spot in the composer category, but this happens to be the choice I myself would go with. Usual mentions Fur Elise and Moonlight Sonata, but probably it's the Fifth Symphony, as overplayed as it is, which is his single greatest contribution, and the most well known piece of music ever composed. I have to leave for quite some time, will update when I return.

I love the 5th Symphony as much as anyone, but like you said, it's too well known. Fur Elise is just a perfect composition.

 

[Ozymandias]

One of three reasonable choices for the top spot in the composer category, but this happens to be the choice I myself would go with. Usual mentions Fur Elise and Moonlight Sonata, but probably it's the Fifth Symphony, as overplayed as it is, which is his single greatest contribution, and the most well known piece of music ever composed. I have to leave for quite some time, will update when I return.

Top tier, no doubt about it. Extremely influential, and composed for individual instruments, for chamber music, for the opera and for the full orchestra. I would place him second, but the differences are so close as to be relatively meaningless. Great choice. His 5 piano concertos are without peer; and his Ninth Symphony has been mentioned by many as the greatest musical composition known to man. With Tim, I prefer the Fifth Symphony, but the 6th and the 9th are not far behind, followed closely by the Seventh. And the Allegretto from the 8th Symphony is a thing of beauty.

 

[DCThunder]

One of three reasonable choices for the top spot in the composer category, but this happens to be the choice I myself would go with. Usual mentions Fur Elise and Moonlight Sonata, but probably it's the Fifth Symphony, as overplayed as it is, which is his single greatest contribution, and the most well known piece of music ever composed. I have to leave for quite some time, will update when I return.

I actually like the 9th Symphony with Ode to Joy in it better.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

1.14 - Ludwig van Beethoven - COMPOSER

Excellent choice. Absolutely should be #1, although there will be another popular candidate for that spot.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

One of three reasonable choices for the top spot in the composer category, but this happens to be the choice I myself would go with. Usual mentions Fur Elise and Moonlight Sonata, but probably it's the Fifth Symphony, as overplayed as it is, which is his single greatest contribution, and the most well known piece of music ever composed. I have to leave for quite some time, will update when I return.

I actually like the 9th Symphony with Ode to Joy in it better.

Freude, schöner Götterfunken,Tochter aus Elysium,Wir betreten feuertrunken,Himmlische, dein Heiligtum.Deine Zauber binden wieder,Was die Mode streng geteilt;Alle Menschen werden Brüder,Wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.Deine Zauber binden wieder,Was die Mode streng geteilt;Alle Menschen werden Brüder,Wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

 

[Ozymandias]

1.14 - Ludwig van Beethoven - COMPOSER

In my opinion, the greatest composer that ever lived. There were others that he was influenced by and others that he influenced, but I truly believe that he was the greatest. Two of the greatest pieces of music in history are his Fur Elise and Moonlight Sonata. Might be a reach in round 1, but I really wanted him. Now go ahead and tear this pick apart =)

Ludwig van Beethoven was a German composer and pianist. He was a crucial figure in the transitional period between the Classical and Romantic eras in Western classical music, and remains one of the most acclaimed and influential composers of all time. Born in Bonn, then in the Electorate of Cologne in western Germany, he moved to Vienna in his early twenties and settled there, studying with Joseph Haydn and quickly gaining a reputation as a virtuoso pianist. Beethoven's hearing gradually deteriorated beginning in his twenties, yet he continued to compose, and to conduct and perform, even after he was completely deaf.

By the way, his final words were reportedly: "I shall hear in heaven." That he has.

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

I have to admit, this is not going the way I thought it would through the first half of the first round. I wouldn't change my mind on my pick, but my plans for round two have changed dramatically.I knew the Stalin - Hitler comparison would come up. In truth, I have Stalin as a top 5 as well, so I'm not going to argue one is much much better then the other. To me Hitler hits another level of evil though. But, again, I don't think either is wrong, and in VBD terms, getting Stalin where he was taken is probably better "value" then getting Hitler where I got him.

I Had Hitler and Stalin as top 5 overall as well, but Hitler was my 1.01.Stalin was a right ******* , but his methodology was different.Hitler was the more evil IMHO and getting him at 1:06 was a steal.If I was the judge for Villain, I’d have them 1 & 2.There have been murderous pricks throughout history and I will have to take one of them down the line, but even if I get my #3, he could be rated anywhere from 3 to 20 by the judge.Hitler and Stalin cannot be judged any worse than 3rd or 4th and if the judge ranks 2 above them I’d love to see the explanation

 

[larry_boy_44]

Good morning.It is extremely important that everyone refrain from spotlighting. It's easy to forget. Ozymandius spotlighted a few posts ago, and some other people have done so as well. Simply put, do not mention prominent names who have not been selected. TIA.Ozymandius makes the argument that Jesus and Muhammad are more influential than Newton because of their uniqueness; if Newton had not been around, someone else would have come up with his discoveries.I could just as easily argue that (a) monotheism represents an inevitable progression in the development of human faith and (b) therefore, if Jesus and Muhammad had never existed, someone else would have taken their places. But I don't want to make this argument, because I have always rejected the notion that individuals are to be discounted in favor of the collective wisdom of the age in which they lived.Newton did live. He did make his accomplishments, which changed the world more profoundly, IMO, than any other single human being. Whether or not others would have done so is irrelevant to this conversation- HE did it.

other people have done what Jesus and Muhammad did... and none of them have been nearly as successful...other scientists have been as world-changing as Newton was...

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Hitler and Stalin cannot be judged any worse than 3rd or 4th and if the judge ranks 2 above them I’d love to see the explanation

Depends on if you think the pen is mightier than the sword.

 

[Ozymandias]

Hitler and Stalin cannot be judged any worse than 3rd or 4th and if the judge ranks 2 above them I’d love to see the explanation

Depends on if you think the pen is mightier than the sword.

Charles Manson has found out that it is.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

thatguy hasn't been here since 3 AM. I am going to be heading out over lunch, can I make my pick before I go?

 

[Abrantes]

other scientists have been as world-changing as Newton was...

Really?

 

[BobbyLayne]

thatguy hasn't been here since 3 AM. I am going to be heading out over lunch, can I make my pick before I go?

 

[larry_boy_44]

Was facing a tough choice between 4 people here.

One of my top 6 is still available however and I probably want to go in another direction, but can’t pass him up

1:13 – Alexander III of Macedon (Alexander the Great)

Military (for now)

and the last of the picks I considered at 1.04 are off the board.

I can't believe Alexander the Great is the #3 military leader off the board and lasted until 1.13...

 

[Andy Dufresne]

thatguy hasn't been here since 3 AM. I am going to be heading out over lunch, can I make my pick before I go?

What'd I miss?

 

[krista4]

1.14 - Ludwig van Beethoven - COMPOSER

In my opinion, the greatest composer that ever lived. There were others that he was influenced by and others that he influenced, but I truly believe that he was the greatest. Two of the greatest pieces of music in history are his Fur Elise and Moonlight Sonata. Might be a reach in round 1, but I really wanted him. Now go ahead and tear this pick apart =)

Ludwig van Beethoven was a German composer and pianist. He was a crucial figure in the transitional period between the Classical and Romantic eras in Western classical music, and remains one of the most acclaimed and influential composers of all time. Born in Bonn, then in the Electorate of Cologne in western Germany, he moved to Vienna in his early twenties and settled there, studying with Joseph Haydn and quickly gaining a reputation as a virtuoso pianist. Beethoven's hearing gradually deteriorated beginning in his twenties, yet he continued to compose, and to conduct and perform, even after he was completely deaf.

I wondered who would be the first composer to go. There are other contenders, but I'd have Beethoven in my top two. His Piano Concerto No. 4 is one of my all-time favorite pieces of music.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

thatguy hasn't been here since 3 AM. I am going to be heading out over lunch, can I make my pick before I go?

What'd I miss?

The clock hasn't actually started for the draft yet, so jumping someone in round one might not be appropriate. That said, I'm sure you can PM someone your choice so we can keep the thing rolling if thatguy shows up.

 

[Usual21]

Was facing a tough choice between 4 people here.

One of my top 6 is still available however and I probably want to go in another direction, but can’t pass him up

1:13 – Alexander III of Macedon (Alexander the Great)

Military (for now)

and the last of the picks I considered at 1.04 are off the board.

I can't believe Alexander the Great is the #3 military leader off the board and lasted until 1.13...

I wish he would've slipped one more spot.

 

[krista4]

thatguy hasn't been here since 3 AM. I am going to be heading out over lunch, can I make my pick before I go?

What'd I miss?

The clock hasn't actually started for the draft yet, so jumping someone in round one might not be appropriate. That said, I'm sure you can PM someone your choice so we can keep the thing rolling if thatguy shows up.

Andy, PM me if you'd like since I'm not a drafter.

 

[FUBAR]

Good morning.

It is extremely important that everyone refrain from spotlighting. It's easy to forget. Ozymandius spotlighted a few posts ago, and some other people have done so as well. Simply put, do not mention prominent names who have not been selected. TIA.

Ozymandius makes the argument that Jesus and Muhammad are more influential than Newton because of their uniqueness; if Newton had not been around, someone else would have come up with his discoveries.

I could just as easily argue that (a) monotheism represents an inevitable progression in the development of human faith and (b) therefore, if Jesus and Muhammad had never existed, someone else would have taken their places. But I don't want to make this argument, because I have always rejected the notion that individuals are to be discounted in favor of the collective wisdom of the age in which they lived.

Newton did live. He did make his accomplishments, which changed the world more profoundly, IMO, than any other single human being. Whether or not others would have done so is irrelevant to this conversation- HE did it.

other people have done what Jesus and Muhammad did... and none of them have been nearly as successful...other scientists have been as world-changing as Newton was...

Lots of imposters out there. I have yet to see another person walk out of a cave 3 days after dying.

 

[BobbyLayne]

thatguy hasn't been here since 3 AM. I am going to be heading out over lunch, can I make my pick before I go?

What'd I miss?

Sorry dude.I just found it...so ironic...that Andy Dufresne would be so...obtuse.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Lots of imposters out there. I have yet to see another person walk out of a cave 3 days after dying.

You SAW it?THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!

 

[Uncle Humuna]

One of three reasonable choices for the top spot in the composer category, but this happens to be the choice I myself would go with. Usual mentions Fur Elise and Moonlight Sonata, but probably it's the Fifth Symphony, as overplayed as it is, which is his single greatest contribution, and the most well known piece of music ever composed.

I have to leave for quite some time, will update when I return.

I actually like the 9th Symphony with Ode to Joy in it better.

Freude, schöner Götterfunken,Tochter aus Elysium,

Wir betreten feuertrunken,

Himmlische, dein Heiligtum.

Deine Zauber binden wieder,

Was die Mode streng geteilt;

Alle Menschen werden Brüder,

Wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Deine Zauber binden wieder,

Was die Mode streng geteilt;

Alle Menschen werden Brüder,

Wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

linky

 

[GregR_2]

Good morning.It is extremely important that everyone refrain from spotlighting. It's easy to forget. Ozymandius spotlighted a few posts ago, and some other people have done so as well. Simply put, do not mention prominent names who have not been selected. TIA.Ozymandius makes the argument that Jesus and Muhammad are more influential than Newton because of their uniqueness; if Newton had not been around, someone else would have come up with his discoveries.I could just as easily argue that (a) monotheism represents an inevitable progression in the development of human faith and (b) therefore, if Jesus and Muhammad had never existed, someone else would have taken their places. But I don't want to make this argument, because I have always rejected the notion that individuals are to be discounted in favor of the collective wisdom of the age in which they lived.Newton did live. He did make his accomplishments, which changed the world more profoundly, IMO, than any other single human being. Whether or not others would have done so is irrelevant to this conversation- HE did it.

other people have done what Jesus and Muhammad did... and none of them have been nearly as successful...other scientists have been as world-changing as Newton was...

You really don't get it about Newton if you think other scientists have been as world-changing.He accomplished so much you could take Newton's accomplishments, split them up into about 5 equal parts and divvy them out to 5 different people and you'd have created 5 greats in the history of science.His greatness isn't based on his accomplishments being so unique that no one else would have later come up with what he did. Some would have, but it would have been a half dozen or a dozen different individuals to come up with what 1 Newton came up with. It's based on the fact that he accomplished an amazing amount including many advances that are still cornerstones of science and mathematics centuries later.

 

[Ozymandias]

One of three reasonable choices for the top spot in the composer category, but this happens to be the choice I myself would go with. Usual mentions Fur Elise and Moonlight Sonata, but probably it's the Fifth Symphony, as overplayed as it is, which is his single greatest contribution, and the most well known piece of music ever composed.

I have to leave for quite some time, will update when I return.

I actually like the 9th Symphony with Ode to Joy in it better.

Freude, schöner Götterfunken,Tochter aus Elysium,

Wir betreten feuertrunken,

Himmlische, dein Heiligtum.

Deine Zauber binden wieder,

Was die Mode streng geteilt;

Alle Menschen werden Brüder,

Wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Deine Zauber binden wieder,

Was die Mode streng geteilt;

Alle Menschen werden Brüder,

Wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

linky

So that's what Hitler said in the video. I was pretty sure the subtitles had it wrong.

 

[GregR_2]

9. Doug B Michelangelo10. Mad Sweeney Isaac Newton11. Big Rocks Napoleon Bonaparte12. higgins Josef Stalin13. John Madden's Lunchbox Alexander The Great

Catching up with the critiques. Like the Michelangelo pick. I think he's got to the top non-painter.Newton is an absolute steal at #10. Should have been a top 5 pick and ahead of Einstein. Not to dump on Albert, but Newton's accomplishments have a combination of volume and scientific fundamentals that even Einstein's great advances can't equal. Newton's contributions to such fundamental concepts and tools like calculus, the concepts of conservation, etc, put him over the top.I'd have taken 2 military leaders over Bonaparte, though I also think some people may have been a bit harsh. One of the history channel type channels has a show currently running on Napoleon, and one little factoid amazed me when they listed this huge list of famous military leaders and then shared that Napoleon had won more victories in battle than all of them combined.Stalin I have a hard time putting behind Hitler in the Villain category. I would probably have taken Hitler too because of how they are viewed... but I think if we had the true body count attributed to both men, we'd find that Stalin was probably responsible for more death and more oppression than Hitler, even if he didn't do it with as much "style" to use an inappropriate phrasing. So anyway, great pick.Alexander the Great I would have amongst my top 2 military leaders, and I haven't been able to decide who would be my 1a and who my 1b. Definitely first round worthy, and I'd have taken him ahead of Napoleon.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Good morning.It is extremely important that everyone refrain from spotlighting. It's easy to forget. Ozymandius spotlighted a few posts ago, and some other people have done so as well. Simply put, do not mention prominent names who have not been selected. TIA.Ozymandius makes the argument that Jesus and Muhammad are more influential than Newton because of their uniqueness; if Newton had not been around, someone else would have come up with his discoveries.I could just as easily argue that (a) monotheism represents an inevitable progression in the development of human faith and (b) therefore, if Jesus and Muhammad had never existed, someone else would have taken their places. But I don't want to make this argument, because I have always rejected the notion that individuals are to be discounted in favor of the collective wisdom of the age in which they lived.Newton did live. He did make his accomplishments, which changed the world more profoundly, IMO, than any other single human being. Whether or not others would have done so is irrelevant to this conversation- HE did it.

other people have done what Jesus and Muhammad did... and none of them have been nearly as successful...other scientists have been as world-changing as Newton was...

You really don't get it about Newton if you think other scientists have been as world-changing.He accomplished so much you could take Newton's accomplishments, split them up into about 5 equal parts and divvy them out to 5 different people and you'd have created 5 greats in the history of science.His greatness isn't based on his accomplishments being so unique that no one else would have later come up with what he did. Some would have, but it would have been a half dozen or a dozen different individuals to come up with what 1 Newton came up with. It's based on the fact that he accomplished an amazing amount including many advances that are still cornerstones of science and mathematics centuries later.

no, I get it...but, as can be seen by the fact that Newton wasn't the #1 scientist drafted, it isn't as open and shut as it is for Jesus vs. everyone or Muhammad vs. everyone but Jesus...

 

[rick6668]

Good morning.It is extremely important that everyone refrain from spotlighting. It's easy to forget. Ozymandius spotlighted a few posts ago, and some other people have done so as well. Simply put, do not mention prominent names who have not been selected. TIA.Ozymandius makes the argument that Jesus and Muhammad are more influential than Newton because of their uniqueness; if Newton had not been around, someone else would have come up with his discoveries.I could just as easily argue that (a) monotheism represents an inevitable progression in the development of human faith and (b) therefore, if Jesus and Muhammad had never existed, someone else would have taken their places. But I don't want to make this argument, because I have always rejected the notion that individuals are to be discounted in favor of the collective wisdom of the age in which they lived.Newton did live. He did make his accomplishments, which changed the world more profoundly, IMO, than any other single human being. Whether or not others would have done so is irrelevant to this conversation- HE did it.

other people have done what Jesus and Muhammad did... and none of them have been nearly as successful...other scientists have been as world-changing as Newton was...

You really don't get it about Newton if you think other scientists have been as world-changing.He accomplished so much you could take Newton's accomplishments, split them up into about 5 equal parts and divvy them out to 5 different people and you'd have created 5 greats in the history of science.His greatness isn't based on his accomplishments being so unique that no one else would have later come up with what he did. Some would have, but it would have been a half dozen or a dozen different individuals to come up with what 1 Newton came up with. It's based on the fact that he accomplished an amazing amount including many advances that are still cornerstones of science and mathematics centuries later.

no, I get it...but, as can be seen by the fact that Newton wasn't the #1 scientist drafted, it isn't as open and shut as it is for Jesus vs. everyone or Muhammad vs. everyone but Jesus...

Larry, by your logic, since Jesus wasn't #1 overall, it isn't open and shut that he should be #1 overall either.

 

[Thorn]

9. Doug B Michelangelo10. Mad Sweeney Isaac Newton11. Big Rocks Napoleon Bonaparte12. higgins Josef Stalin13. John Madden's Lunchbox Alexander The Great

Catching up with the critiques. Like the Michelangelo pick. I think he's got to the top non-painter.Newton is an absolute steal at #10. Should have been a top 5 pick and ahead of Einstein. Not to dump on Albert, but Newton's accomplishments have a combination of volume and scientific fundamentals that even Einstein's great advances can't equal. Newton's contributions to such fundamental concepts and tools like calculus, the concepts of conservation, etc, put him over the top.I'd have taken 2 military leaders over Bonaparte, though I also think some people may have been a bit harsh. One of the history channel type channels has a show currently running on Napoleon, and one little factoid amazed me when they listed this huge list of famous military leaders and then shared that Napoleon had won more victories in battle than all of them combined.Stalin I have a hard time putting behind Hitler in the Villain category. I would probably have taken Hitler too because of how they are viewed... but I think if we had the true body count attributed to both men, we'd find that Stalin was probably responsible for more death and more oppression than Hitler, even if he didn't do it with as much "style" to use an inappropriate phrasing. So anyway, great pick.Alexander the Great I would have amongst my top 2 military leaders, and I haven't been able to decide who would be my 1a and who my 1b. Definitely first round worthy, and I'd have taken him ahead of Napoleon.

 

[NCCommish]

Hey guys. I wanted to let you know I wasn't blowing this off. Some Time Warner tech came out here yesterday to fix someone elses cable and stepped in it. This place was cabled a long time ago and whatever he did throw a wrench in all the other half assed fixes over the years. Thing is going up and down like crazy. Allegedly it will all be worked out sometime today. Once it is[ahnold] I'll be back[\ahnold]. It's just to fristrating right now to deal with as you never know when you get a decent window to work.

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

Go back and get rid of the spotlights....... Great pick here. Frankly, it's a steal at this point.

I did, but it was quoted with all the details before I could edit.I'll attempt to be more careful next time

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

IMO, there is still a clear #1 in his category out there (not an author category).

That was my quandry when picking Alexander the Great. Sure it will be picked soon (Haven't checked in advance of this post)

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I'm out for a while. Krista has my PM, but I'll send it to a couple others in case she goes missing too.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

1.14 - Ludwig van Beethoven - COMPOSER

In my opinion, the greatest composer that ever lived. There were others that he was influenced by and others that he influenced, but I truly believe that he was the greatest. Two of the greatest pieces of music in history are his Fur Elise and Moonlight Sonata. Might be a reach in round 1, but I really wanted him. Now go ahead and tear this pick apart =)

Ludwig van Beethoven was a German composer and pianist. He was a crucial figure in the transitional period between the Classical and Romantic eras in Western classical music, and remains one of the most acclaimed and influential composers of all time. Born in Bonn, then in the Electorate of Cologne in western Germany, he moved to Vienna in his early twenties and settled there, studying with Joseph Haydn and quickly gaining a reputation as a virtuoso pianist. Beethoven's hearing gradually deteriorated beginning in his twenties, yet he continued to compose, and to conduct and perform, even after he was completely deaf.

Great great pick.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

I was hoping Beethoven was there for me in round two. This is going to be more frustrating then the American draft.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

I have Andy D's pick if it gets to him and he isn't here.

 

[krista4]

I'm out for a while. Krista has my PM, but I'll send it to a couple others in case she goes missing too.

I will be here until 3 pm CDT, then out for a couple of hours.

 

[Doug B]

9. Doug B Michelangelo

10. Mad Sweeney Isaac Newton

11. Big Rocks Napoleon Bonaparte

12. higgins Josef Stalin

13. John Madden's Lunchbox Alexander The Great

Catching up with the critiques. Like the Michelangelo pick. I think he's got to the top non-painter.

Newton is an absolute steal at #10. Should have been a top 5 pick and ahead of Einstein. Not to dump on Albert, but Newton's accomplishments have a combination of volume and scientific fundamentals that even Einstein's great advances can't equal. Newton's contributions to such fundamental concepts and tools like calculus, the concepts of conservation, etc, put him over the top.

Wanted to piggyback a little on Greg's comments.I was weighing Michelangelo, Newton, and one other person. That third person was the write-up that I almost posted yesterday afternoon.

The thing with Michelangelo vs. Newton was that I felt like Michelangelo has a "clearer path" to #1 in his category than Newton has in his, considering that Albert Einstein was already drafted. Of course, both Michelangelo and Newton are obviously worthy of #1s in their categories (even if they end up slightly lower). I just thought Michelangelo's chance of being #1 was a little greater.

After reading the comments, I'm am not so sure now. I still like Michelangelo a ton, but the fawning over Newton makes me wonder if it's actually him with the clearer shot at a #1 ranking. It will depend a lot on the individual judge's opinion.

 

[Orange Crush]

Quick question - is the distinction between philosopher and intellectual most analogous to the difference between scientist and inventor? As in, a philosopher stays in the ivory tower coming up with ideas whereas the intellectual tries to apply those ideas to human society?

 

[Abrantes]

Quick question - is the distinction between philosopher and intellectual most analogous to the difference between scientist and inventor? As in, a philosopher stays in the ivory tower coming up with ideas whereas the intellectual tries to apply those ideas to human society?

I'm a bit unclear on the distinction myself. A few of my guys could fit comfortably in both categories.

 

[larry_boy_44]

my thinking with scientist/inventor is this:

the Inventor is known for "making" a specific THING, the scientist is more known for a specific IDEA...

to use previous draftees/discussions... Newton and Einstein are scientists because they came up with theories, not items... The unnamed creator of the wheel would be an inventor, because he is known for the THING he created... There is, however, quite a bit of overlap as all inventors ARE scientists, even if all scientists aren't inventors...

as far as intellectual/philosopher, I think they're essentially the same exact thing... it would probably make things more clear if we just combined them and said you need 2 of each as I don't see the difference...

 

[Doug B]

Quick question - is the distinction between philosopher and intellectual most analogous to the difference between scientist and inventor? As in, a philosopher stays in the ivory tower coming up with ideas whereas the intellectual tries to apply those ideas to human society?

I don't know if the Philosopher/Intellectual line is that bright. From the research I'm doing, it seems that in way-back times, just about anyone known for any kind of smarts eventually got around to making philisophical pronouncements as some point. Kinda makes sense ... perhaps "knowledge" wasn't as compartmentalized a concept then as it is now. The "smart guy" -- in any field -- was the "sage" and presumably was reckoned to have more of a grip on "meaning of life" questions than the average schmoe.Further from what I can tell -- Intellectuals qua Intellectuals are somewhat dependant on at least a nascent mass media. A smaller body of influential (if not philosophical) ideas from one person can disseminate far and wide much more easily today than in antiquity.

I am awaiting further responses to OC's question.

 

[Mister CIA]

Hmmm, picking 19th (and 22nd) is looking pretty good now. I'm certain I can get two absolute heavyweights no matter. It's just a question of which two.

My favorite pick so far was Alexander the Great. Had I the #1 overall, I would have seriously considered him there.