flysack
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Hercules.:championship:
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World's Greatest Draft (2 Viewers)
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Fennis
Footballguy
I look forward to seeing some get picked.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
You'll be seeing one in a maximum of four picks from now.
thatguy
Footballguy
The leader category is incredibly deep, and I think it will be the most difficult to judge. There are so many great leaders throughout history, dating back to before Christ all the way to present day, and from all over the globe. I would hate to have to judge this category. I think a strong writeup may be integral in helping make the case for whatever leader you take.
flysack
Footballguy
As far as what he accomplished, how he accomplished it, and against who, he's top 3. When you factor in how influential his tactics have been across the globe since, it's no contest IMO.
thatguy
Footballguy
And who wrote about said tactics before Gandhi employed and subsequently popularized them? Leo Tolstoy. Just sayin'.
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timschochet
Footballguy
Herc's a wimp. Thor would kick his ###.
Fennis
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
And Odin would kick HIS ###.Norse gods are simply tougher than the Greek ones. If there was some major war between the two, the Norse Gods would win easy. (Of course, the Greek gods would simply laugh it off, and go back to their drinking and cavorting...)
Fennis
Footballguy
Thats why I didnt want to Judge the leader category. I thought it would basically be a 20 way tie for first. (turns out I was wrong, I personally dont like the Honest Abe pick at all)
flysack
Footballguy
Nobody pays attention to Russians. Especially old emaciated Oxford-educated men in diapers.Seriously though: his pacifist strategies came straight from Hinduism and Buddhism. It had nothing to do with Tolstoy.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Just woke up and I told someone earlier that I like "movers and shakers" of the world. The pioneers, in my mind, are the ones who seek to do something that no other has done, or in historical terms, the ones who can better document things compared to their contemporaries. I thought I was going to go one way with my next pick but in doing minor research, I think I am going to go another. Like others have said, you really cannot go wrong here. Pick coming up shortly.
flysack
Footballguy
Midgard Serpent.:championship:Wait....what? He ate himself? Crap. I need to repick!
timschochet
Footballguy
The Jain religion also had a HUGE effect on Gandhi's pacifist views.
timschochet
Footballguy
Famous last words....
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
Famous last words....
Mario Kart
Footballguy
There are many people in the following category that may get the #1 ranking. This guy may not be one of them but like I previously wrote, he was one of the first to best document what he did. This guy, it may be argued, laid the groundwork for much of what happened later in the same respect of what he did. I prefer the people who opened doors to new possibilities rather than the ones who walked through those doors later. This person gave hope to many others because he was able to do, and document, what others had not been able to, more or less. There are a couple of guys I thought of here and this is a toss up. With the 2.20 pick in the draft, Mario Kart selects:
2.20 - Giovanni da Pian del Carpine - Explorer
Giovanni da Pian del Carpine, or John of Plano Carpini or John of Pian de Carpine or Joannes de Plano (c. 1180 - August 1, 1252) was one of the first Europeans to enter the court of the Great Khan of the Mongol Empire. He is the author of the earliest important Western account of northern and central Asia, Rus, and other regions of the Tatar dominion.
** not much due to spot lighting.
2.20 - Giovanni da Pian del Carpine - Explorer
Giovanni da Pian del Carpine, or John of Plano Carpini or John of Pian de Carpine or Joannes de Plano (c. 1180 - August 1, 1252) was one of the first Europeans to enter the court of the Great Khan of the Mongol Empire. He is the author of the earliest important Western account of northern and central Asia, Rus, and other regions of the Tatar dominion.
** not much due to spot lighting.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
I don't necessarily disagree with this. He accomplished a great deal and was a major factor leading India to Independence, and he was influential on others who will almost certainly be drafted as Rebels or Humanitarians themselves. I'm tempered by a couple of things - first the withdraw of Great Britain was going to be a foregone conclusion following WW II and was spurred on as much by mutinies among the Indian armed forces as anything else. So to the extent that Gandhi "won" his rebellion it was really more by attrition and longevity than anything else. Also, while he has been influential on others in the 20th century, there are some people who will fall in this category who's rebellions have altered centuries of history.
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timschochet
Footballguy
Well Mario, I'll say this for you: you certainly go your own way. As in your first pick, this is an absolute stunner to me. After Columbus, there are at least a half dozen GIANTS in this category that deserve consideration, and you chose none of them. I hope it works out for you...
timschochet
Footballguy
You're right, I'll stop that.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
thatguy
Footballguy
I tend to agree with this. I think after Columbus there is a clear second and probably 3 or 4 more that come to mind first.
Fennis
Footballguy
I like the pick, outside the box. I learned a lot reading the wiki (and starting on some of the links) on this one.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
I think there is a 1b if Columbus is 1a... possibly a clear 3 too.
dparker713
Footballguy
Seriously dont understand Columbus as the top spot here. He was clueless before, during, and after his journey.
Abrantes
Footballguy
Very cool pick.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
It's the impact that's so important.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Okay, to lead off the third round, I am changing gears a little. I would really like to pick a couple of people here but I think they might fall with my 4/5. Or, I am hoping so. I don't think this guy makes it though. Going back to the "movers and shakers" theory, this guy helped change something. He has been quoted as the Father of English literature and is regarded as such. While he has one main work that people will surely know, that is not all he wrote. He may not be the most popular person in the category but he was one person to make English matter in terms of literature... compared to French or Latin. There are many ways to go and I am filling in the roster here with:
3.01 - Geoffrey Chaucer - Novelist / Poet
Geoffrey Chaucer (c. 1343 – 25 October 1400) was an English author, poet, philosopher, bureaucrat, courtier and diplomat. Although he wrote many works, he is best remembered for his unfinished frame narrative The Canterbury Tales. Sometimes called the father of English literature, Chaucer is credited by some scholars as the first author to demonstrate the artistic legitimacy of the vernacular English language, rather than French or Latin.
Chaucer's first major work, The Book of the Duchess, was an elegy for Blanche of Lancaster (who died in 1369). It is possible that this work was commissioned by her husband John of Gaunt, as he granted Chaucer a £10 annuity on 13 June 1374. This would seem to place the writing of The Book of the Duchess between the years 1369 and 1374. Two other early works by Chaucer were Anelida and Arcite and The House of Fame. Chaucer wrote many of his major works in a prolific period when he held the job of customs comptroller for London (1374 to 1386). His Parlement of Foules, The Legend of Good Women and Troilus and Criseyde all date from this time. Also it is believed that he started work on The Canterbury Tales in the early 1380s. Chaucer is best known as the writer of The Canterbury Tales, which is a collection of stories told by fictional pilgrims on the road to the cathedral at Canterbury; these tales would help to shape English literature.
The Canterbury Tales contrasts with other literature of the period in the naturalism of its narrative, the variety of stories the pilgrims tell and the varied characters who are engaged in the pilgrimage. Many of the stories narrated by the pilgrims seem to fit their individual characters and social standing, although some of the stories seem ill-fitting to their narrators, perhaps as a result of the incomplete state of the work. Chaucer drew on real life for his cast of pilgrims: the innkeeper shares the name of a contemporary keeper of an inn in Southwark, and real-life identities for the Wife of Bath, the Merchant, the Man of Law and the Student have been suggested. The many jobs that Chaucer held in medieval society—page, soldier, messenger, valet, bureaucrat, foreman and administrator—probably exposed him to many of the types of people he depicted in the Tales. He was able to shape their speech and satirize their manners in what was to become popular literature among people of the same types.
Mario Kart
Leaders -
Military - Sun Tzu (post #45)
Scientist -
Inventor -
Discoverer/Explorer - Giovanni da Pian del Carpine (post #1281)
Humanitarian/Saint/Martyr -
Novelist/Short stories -
Playwrights/Poets - Geoffrey Chaucer (post #1295)
Villain -
Athlete -
Composer -
Musicians/Performers -
Painter -
Artist/Non-Painter -
Philosopher -
Religious Figure -
Celebrity -
Intellectual -
Rebel -
Wildcards -
3.01 - Geoffrey Chaucer - Novelist / Poet
Geoffrey Chaucer (c. 1343 – 25 October 1400) was an English author, poet, philosopher, bureaucrat, courtier and diplomat. Although he wrote many works, he is best remembered for his unfinished frame narrative The Canterbury Tales. Sometimes called the father of English literature, Chaucer is credited by some scholars as the first author to demonstrate the artistic legitimacy of the vernacular English language, rather than French or Latin.
Chaucer's first major work, The Book of the Duchess, was an elegy for Blanche of Lancaster (who died in 1369). It is possible that this work was commissioned by her husband John of Gaunt, as he granted Chaucer a £10 annuity on 13 June 1374. This would seem to place the writing of The Book of the Duchess between the years 1369 and 1374. Two other early works by Chaucer were Anelida and Arcite and The House of Fame. Chaucer wrote many of his major works in a prolific period when he held the job of customs comptroller for London (1374 to 1386). His Parlement of Foules, The Legend of Good Women and Troilus and Criseyde all date from this time. Also it is believed that he started work on The Canterbury Tales in the early 1380s. Chaucer is best known as the writer of The Canterbury Tales, which is a collection of stories told by fictional pilgrims on the road to the cathedral at Canterbury; these tales would help to shape English literature.
The Canterbury Tales contrasts with other literature of the period in the naturalism of its narrative, the variety of stories the pilgrims tell and the varied characters who are engaged in the pilgrimage. Many of the stories narrated by the pilgrims seem to fit their individual characters and social standing, although some of the stories seem ill-fitting to their narrators, perhaps as a result of the incomplete state of the work. Chaucer drew on real life for his cast of pilgrims: the innkeeper shares the name of a contemporary keeper of an inn in Southwark, and real-life identities for the Wife of Bath, the Merchant, the Man of Law and the Student have been suggested. The many jobs that Chaucer held in medieval society—page, soldier, messenger, valet, bureaucrat, foreman and administrator—probably exposed him to many of the types of people he depicted in the Tales. He was able to shape their speech and satirize their manners in what was to become popular literature among people of the same types.
Mario Kart
Leaders -
Military - Sun Tzu (post #45)
Scientist -
Inventor -
Discoverer/Explorer - Giovanni da Pian del Carpine (post #1281)
Humanitarian/Saint/Martyr -
Novelist/Short stories -
Playwrights/Poets - Geoffrey Chaucer (post #1295)
Villain -
Athlete -
Composer -
Musicians/Performers -
Painter -
Artist/Non-Painter -
Philosopher -
Religious Figure -
Celebrity -
Intellectual -
Rebel -
Wildcards -
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timschochet
Footballguy
It actually is a cool pick. And Mario's first pick was a cool pick as well. Mario is being very innovative here. My only criticism is that I didn't think Sun Tzu was quite worthy of the 1st pick in the draft, and I don't think this pick is worthy of the 2nd round. I think Mario could have waited to pick an explorer until the tenth round or thereafter, and still taken this same guy, and at that point it would have been an OUTSTANDING pick, a diamond in the rough.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
A Knight's Tale = AWESOMEI was considering him for the next pick (and the last one), but honestly outside of a Knight's Tale and knowing what he did, I don't know anything about him...
timschochet
Footballguy
Mario, I really like the Chaucer pick. But...are you sure you want him as novelist rather than poet?
dparker713
Footballguy
Contrary to 2nd grade history, people didnt believe the world was flat. He also wasnt the first European to cross the Atlantic. There are other explorers that have had immense impact as well, some of which we've yet to fully realize.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
I guess I am not picking to please you but rather look over the importance of Worldly figures and do my best. Like I have said, I am picking "movers and shakers" and I believe the three I have picked have done things others have only copied. Are they the most popular? Probably not but I was never good at popularity contests anyway. Are these three some of the people that have made the most impact on our world? In my mind, most definitely.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
post 1295 is updated
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Maybe top 5 for Columbus but I could see him out of the top 5 as well.
timschochet
Footballguy
Mario, the last thing you need to worry about is picking to please me. I am actually learning a lot I did not know from your picks and a few others so far, and I think this will only increase as the draft continues. If this is the path you want to follow, go for it.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
I hate this...
I feel like I know so little at some spots and my knowledge is so thin that I want to pick there...
but I'm not sure if I'm picking the best guy at those spots or the 4th or 5th guy.... and then there are guys I really like... but... I doubt they're even good picks at all... who knows...
:working on it:
I feel like I know so little at some spots and my knowledge is so thin that I want to pick there...
but I'm not sure if I'm picking the best guy at those spots or the 4th or 5th guy.... and then there are guys I really like... but... I doubt they're even good picks at all... who knows...
:working on it:
timschochet
Footballguy
You've done great so far. Now is not the time to blow it with a pro wrestler...
Mario Kart
Footballguy
I talked with larry earlier tonight and the first round was pretty ho hum... not much could go wrong there. The second round to me was a little different though. I think 4 picks were way too early but those are who the people wanted. I was hoping others in the second would fall to me but they didn't. As far as explorers go, I had another one slated to be picked in the 2nd but a little more research made me realize, "wait, Carpini had a greater impact overall."I do know if the one person I researched makes it to my 4/5, they will get picked by me. I was hoping for Confucius, Mozart or Khan in the 2nd but I am really hoping my 4/5 falls to me.Mario, the last thing you need to worry about is picking to please me. I am actually learning a lot I did not know from your picks and a few others so far, and I think this will only increase as the draft continues. If this is the path you want to follow, go for it.
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timschochet
Footballguy
I do think Columbus is the #1 explorer. Not because of the whole Earth is round/flat thing, but because the result of his trip is that Europe realized there was a new continent to be conquered and colonized. I think that modern world history really begins with Columbus' journey. It represents a dividing line in time. IMHO.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
I have seen you in this thread make the following comparisons... more or less to other people. If Columbus sinks 50 miles out from Portugal, will Europe ever discover The New World? The answer is, yes. Someone would have made it all the way across the ocean. Columbus is a figure head to the "discovery." History has been rewritten over and over about him, but essentially, Columbus is a figure head to the cause. The New World was bound to be found with or without Columbus. So, how important is Columbus?
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
Yeah, but you can pretty much make this argument for every explorer. Everything was/is eventually going to be found, the whole idea was to be the first one to do it.
timschochet
Footballguy
If Columbus had never been born, somebody else would have discovered the New World. Would that somebody else have been working for Spain? Who knows. Suppose that somebody else was English for example? History would be very very different. I don't think we can dismiss Columbus.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
I just figured out what this person's username meant...pick coming...
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Not dismissing him, just not giving him all the credit that others do because he ran into a piece of land "first." He is important because he did do something that few had been able to do. But, he did it by accident. He never achieved his objective. Yeah, he achieved something, possibly, greater, but....
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