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MisfitBlondes said:
I'm going to draft my composer now. I admittedly don't know a great deal about most of the people in this category, but after the big three, this is the name I most commonly hear.Richard Wagner - Composer
Never heard of him.
Music of the Nazis AND wrote "Here Comes the Bride"
A composer can't help it if ######## like his music. But they do play him in Israel now.
 
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MisfitBlondes said:
MisfitBlondes said:
I'm going to draft my composer now. I admittedly don't know a great deal about most of the people in this category, but after the big three, this is the name I most commonly hear.Richard Wagner - Composer
Never heard of him.
Music of the Nazis AND wrote "Here Comes the Bride"
He wrote that for the Nazis?
Deutschland ueber alles!(actually, the music is by another composer), not yet picked.
 
Catching Up Comments -

- Love the Saladin pick.

- FUBAR should have picked the general who wiped the desert with Rommel's ###, instead of Rommel himself.

 
MisfitBlondes said:
I'm going to draft my composer now. I admittedly don't know a great deal about most of the people in this category, but after the big three, this is the name I most commonly hear.Richard Wagner - Composer
Never heard of him.
Music of the Nazis AND wrote "Here Comes the Bride"
A composer can't help it if ######## like his music. But they do play him in Israel now.
Like many in this draft, Wagner was a fierce anti-Semite himself. However, Hitler's fascination with Wagner, does make Wagner a pariah in many Jewish circles. It was controversial to play him in Israel.There was a scene in Curb Your Enthusiasm where Larry David is whistling Wagner. A Jewish friend of Larry yells at him for whistling Wagner " You are a self-hating Jew!" Larry responds that he does hate himself, but not because he is Jewish. Anyway, you won’t find Here Comes the Bridge played at many Jewish weddings, because of the Wagner connection.
 
I'm going to draft my composer now. I admittedly don't know a great deal about most of the people in this category, but after the big three, this is the name I most commonly hear.

Richard Wagner - Composer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz3Cc7wlfkI...feature=relatedMandatory link posted.
Actually, the first image that pops into my head is
This discrepancy proves that I have a bigger penis than you.
 
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MisfitBlondes said:
MisfitBlondes said:
I'm going to draft my composer now. I admittedly don't know a great deal about most of the people in this category, but after the big three, this is the name I most commonly hear.Richard Wagner - Composer
Never heard of him.
Music of the Nazis AND wrote "Here Comes the Bride"
He wrote that for the Nazis?
He was around pre-Nazi Germany.From Wiki:
Wagner's writings on race and his antisemitism[21] reflected some trends of thought in Germany during the 19th century. Houston Stewart Chamberlain, expanded on Gobineau's and Wagner's ideas in his 1899 book The Foundations of the Nineteenth Century, a work proclaiming the superiority of Aryan races, which had a wide circulation and later became required reading for members of the Nazi party. Chamberlain greatly admired Wagner's work and married Wagner's daughter, Eva, becoming a central part of the Bayreuth Circle, and thus contributing to the association of Wagner's name and works with racism and anti-semitism.Adolf Hitler was an admirer of Wagner's music and anti-Jewish sentiments and saw in Wagner's operas an embodiment of his own vision of the German nation. There continues to be debate about the extent to which Wagner's views might have influenced Nazi thinking. As with the works of Nietzsche, the Nazis used those parts of Wagner's thought that were useful for propaganda and ignored or suppressed the rest. For example Joseph Goebbels banned Parsifal in 1939, shortly before the outbreak of the Second World War, due to the perceived pacifistic overtones of the opera.[22] Although Hitler himself was obsessed by "the Master", many in the Nazi hierarchy were not, and, according to the historian Richard Carr, deeply resented the prospect of attending these lengthy epics at Hitler's insistence.[23]As a consequence of this appropriation by Nazi propaganda, Wagner's operas have never been staged in the modern state of Israel. Although his works are broadcast on Israeli government-owned radio and television stations, attempts to stage public performances in Israel have been halted by protests, including protests from Holocaust survivors.[24] (See also: article on Barenboim conducting Wagner in Israel).
 
I'm going to draft my composer now. I admittedly don't know a great deal about most of the people in this category, but after the big three, this is the name I most commonly hear.

Richard Wagner - Composer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz3Cc7wlfkI...feature=relatedMandatory link posted.
Actually, the first image that pops into my head is
Those toy bunnies are dynamite, man. Would wipe the floor with your Apocalypse Now chumps.
 
9.14 - The Dalai Lama - Religious Figure

The Dalai Lama is a lineage of religious leader of the Gelug school of Tibetan Buddhism and was the political leader of Lhasa-based Tibetan government between the 17th century and 1959. Referred to by his followers simply as "His Holiness" (HH), or "His Holiness The Dalai Lama", many Tibetans usually call the Dalai Lama by the epithets Gyalwa Rinpoche, meaning "Precious Victor", or Yishin Norbu, meaning "Wish-fulfilling Jewel." "Lama" (meaning "teacher") is a title given to many different ranks of Tibetan Buddhist clergy.

The Dalai Lama is believed to be the current incarnation of a long line of Tulkus, or Buddhist Masters, who have become exempt from the wheel of death and rebirth. These ascended masters have chosen of their own free will to be reborn to this place in order to enlighten others. He is also the official leader of the Tibetan government-in-exile, or the Central Tibetan Administration.

Between the 17th century and 1959, the lines of Dalai Lamas were the head of the Tibetan Government, administering a large portion of the area from the capital Lhasa, although the extent of the lineage's political authority and rulership over territory has been contested. Since 1959, the Dalai Lama has presided over the Central Tibetan Administration, which is based in Dharamshala, a small town in the foothills of the Himalayas in northern India, considering itself to be a government in exile. The Dalai Lama is often thought to be the head of the Gelug School, but this position officially belongs to the Ganden Tripa, which is a temporary position appointed by the Dalai Lama (who in practice exerts more influence).

 
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MisfitBlondes said:
I'm going to draft my composer now. I admittedly don't know a great deal about most of the people in this category, but after the big three, this is the name I most commonly hear.

Richard Wagner - Composer
Never heard of him.
Music of the Nazis AND wrote "Here Comes the Bride"
A composer can't help it if ######## like his music. But they do play him in Israel now.
Like many in this draft, Wagner was a fierce anti-Semite himself. However, Hitler's fascination with Wagner, does make Wagner a pariah in many Jewish circles. It was controversial to play him in Israel.There was a scene in Curb Your Enthusiasm where Larry David is whistling Wagner. A Jewish friend of Larry yells at him for whistling Wagner " You are a self-hating Jew!" Larry responds that he does hate himself, but not because he is Jewish.

Anyway, you won’t find Here Comes the Bridge played at many Jewish weddings, because of the Wagner connection.
They did, however, play it at Oswald Jacoby's wedding, prior to his bid.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswald_Jacoby

 
I think Andy is on the clock until 3:10.
I'll be in and out, but should be able to make the 9.18 and 10.03 picks.Starting this weekend (if I come up again), and throughout the remainder of the draft - e.g., starting with round 11 - you can consider me on auto skip.

I'll be in Paris (pleasure) Saturday and Sunday, and Bucharest all next week (we opened an office there a few months ago).

I will have internet access, but with the time change I doubt I will be monitoring closely.

TIA

 
Hopefully tim wouldn't hold this against me, but I'm directly related to Wagner on my dad's side. There wasn't much of a question as to what my wife would walk down the aisle to when we got married.

 
Gigantomachia said:
I am going to try to squeeze some comments in while I am on the air. I might even mention them in my broadcast. So here goes.

King Solomon

Ummm. Let's see. Historically it is difficult to even know he actually existed, which is extremely problematic for me as a scholar. As a philosopher I have difficultly with any position that is argued from scripture irrespective of the religious tradition in which it originates. Clearly I have many reasons question this pick, however, having worked in Biblical studies I find the story of Solomon to be one of the best eva. So here we go.

The philosophy or wisdom driving the story of Solomon is interesting. It suggests a means of Utopian existence possible within a particular stance toward being. Granted it remains framed in a theological context, but as many ancient interpreters have pointed out, there is a philosophical stance toward being in the whole of Jewish wisdom literature, of which King Solomon is the embodiment. Nevertheless, it also points out the difficultly with such an approach, going so far as to point out the weakness in Solomon himself; the ideal itself cannot measure up to the vision. Making this some of the most interesting philosophy available. So I like the pick. I need to see what larry said about it. Larry link me to your post!!

Not sure where it will rank in the end, but higher than some of you might have thought.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...;#entry10115761
 
4.4 Archimedes - IntellectualArchimedes was the greatest mathematician of his age. His contributions in geometry revolutionised the subject and his methods anticipated the integral calculus 2,000 years before Newton and Leibniz. He was also a thoroughly practical man who invented a wide variety of machines including pulleys and the Archimidean screw pumping device.
Love this pick.
 
Wagner is a great pick. I very much like his music too. I don't exactly love it- it's a little too Sturm und Drang for me. Of course I detest Wagner's ideas. But he was a musical genius.

Usual 21's write-up on the Dalai Lama was a description of the title; it tells us nothing about the specific man. I am using the title "Dalai Lama" for recognition purposes, but unless otherwise instructed, this refers to the current Dalai Lama who is living today. All evaluations of this pick should be based on this man, and not his predecessors.

 
I'm going to draft my composer now. I admittedly don't know a great deal about most of the people in this category, but after the big three, this is the name I most commonly hear.

Richard Wagner - Composer



Wilhelm Richard Wagner (IPA: /ˈrɪtʃ.ərd ˈvɑɡ.nər/, German pronunciation: [ˈʁi.çaʁt ˈvaɡ.nɐ]; 22 May 1813, Leipzig, Germany – 13 February 1883, Venice, Italy) was a German composer, conductor, theatre director and essayist, primarily known for his operas (or "music dramas", as they were later called). Unlike most other great opera composers, Wagner wrote both the scenario and libretto for his works.

Wagner's compositions, particularly those of his later period, are notable for contrapuntal texture, rich chromaticism, harmonies and orchestration, and elaborate use of leitmotifs: musical themes associated with particular characters, locales or plot elements. Wagner pioneered advances in musical language, such as extreme chromaticism and quickly shifting tonal centres, which greatly influenced the development of European classical music.

He transformed musical thought through his idea of Gesamtkunstwerk ("total artwork"), the synthesis of all the poetic, visual, musical and dramatic arts, epitomized by his monumental four-opera cycle Der Ring des Nibelungen (1876). To try to stage these works as he imagined them, Wagner built his own opera house, the Bayreuth Festspielhaus.

Influence and legacy

In his lifetime, and for some years after, Wagner inspired fanatical devotion. His compositions, in particular Tristan und Isolde, broke important new musical ground. For years afterward, many composers felt compelled to align themselves with or against Wagner. #### and #### are indebted to him especially, as are ####, ####, ####, ####, ####, #### and dozens of others. #### said, "There was only Beethoven and Wagner". The twentieth century harmonic revolutions of #### and #### (tonal and atonal modernism, respectively) have often been traced back to Tristan. The Italian form of operatic realism known as verismo owes much to Wagnerian reconstruction of musical form.

Wagner made a major contribution to the principles and practice of conducting. His essay On conducting (1869) advanced the earlier work of #### and proposed that conducting was a means by which a musical work could be re-interpreted, rather than simply a mechanism for achieving orchestral unison. The central European conducting tradition which followed Wagner's ideas includes artists such as ####, ####, #### and H####.

Wagner also made significant changes to the conditions under which operas were performed. It was Wagner who first demanded that the lights be dimmed during dramatic performances, and it was his theatre at Bayreuth which first made use of the sunken orchestra pit, which at Bayreuth entirely conceals the orchestra from the audience.

Wagner's influence on literature and philosophy is significant. #### was part of Wagner's inner circle during the early 1870s, and his first published work The Birth of Tragedy proposed Wagner's music as the Dionysian rebirth of European culture in opposition to Apollonian rationalist decadence. #### broke with Wagner following the first Bayreuth Festival, believing that Wagner's final phase represented a pandering to Christian pieties and a surrender to the new demagogic German Reich. In the twentieth century, #### once called Wagner "perhaps the greatest genius that ever lived", while #### and Marcel Proust were heavily influenced by him and discussed Wagner in their novels. He is discussed in some of the works of James Joyce. Wagner is one of the main subjects of T. S. Eliot's The Waste Land, which contains lines from Tristan und Isolde and refers to The Ring and Parsifal. ####, ####and ####worshipped Wagner. Many of the ideas his music brought up, such as the association between love and death (or Eros and Thanatos) in Tristan, predated their investigation by Sigmund Freud.
Mother father! :2cents: Every time I replace my one-composer-long list, someone drafts him. Frig.

 
9.14 - The Dalai Lama - Religious Figure
Isn't this like drafting the "Pope"?Does the current one have a name?

Like Dalai Lama Plaxico Burress XIII
Jetsun Jamphel Ngawang Lobsang Yeshe Tenzin Gyatso. He is the 14th Dalai Lama.
Aaah, good ol Jetsun
He prefers: བསྟན་འཛིན་རྒྱ་མཚོ
So I jump ship in Hong Kong and make my way over to Tibet, and I get on as a looper at a course over in the Himalayas….So, I tell them I’m a pro jock, and who do you think they give me? The Dalai Lama, himself. Twelfth son of the Lama. The flowing robes, the grace, bald… striking.So, I’m on the first tee with him. I give him the driver. He hauls off and whacks one - big hitter, the Lama - long, into a ten-thousand foot crevasse, right at the base of this glacier. Do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga… gunga, gunga-galunga.

So we finish the eighteenth and he’s gonna stiff me. And I say, ‘Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know.’ And he says, ‘Oh, uh, there won’t be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness.’ So I got that goin’ for me, which is nice.”


 
MisfitBlondes said:
I'm going to draft my composer now. I admittedly don't know a great deal about most of the people in this category, but after the big three, this is the name I most commonly hear.

Richard Wagner - Composer



Wilhelm Richard Wagner (IPA: /ˈrɪtʃ.ərd ˈvɑɡ.nər/, German pronunciation: [ˈʁi.çaʁt ˈvaɡ.nɐ]; 22 May 1813, Leipzig, Germany – 13 February 1883, Venice, Italy) was a German composer, conductor, theatre director and essayist, primarily known for his operas (or "music dramas", as they were later called). Unlike most other great opera composers, Wagner wrote both the scenario and libretto for his works.

Wagner's compositions, particularly those of his later period, are notable for contrapuntal texture, rich chromaticism, harmonies and orchestration, and elaborate use of leitmotifs: musical themes associated with particular characters, locales or plot elements. Wagner pioneered advances in musical language, such as extreme chromaticism and quickly shifting tonal centres, which greatly influenced the development of European classical music.

He transformed musical thought through his idea of Gesamtkunstwerk ("total artwork"), the synthesis of all the poetic, visual, musical and dramatic arts, epitomized by his monumental four-opera cycle Der Ring des Nibelungen (1876). To try to stage these works as he imagined them, Wagner built his own opera house, the Bayreuth Festspielhaus.

Influence and legacy

In his lifetime, and for some years after, Wagner inspired fanatical devotion. His compositions, in particular Tristan und Isolde, broke important new musical ground. For years afterward, many composers felt compelled to align themselves with or against Wagner. #### and #### are indebted to him especially, as are ####, ####, ####, ####, ####, #### and dozens of others. #### said, "There was only Beethoven and Wagner". The twentieth century harmonic revolutions of #### and #### (tonal and atonal modernism, respectively) have often been traced back to Tristan. The Italian form of operatic realism known as verismo owes much to Wagnerian reconstruction of musical form.

Wagner made a major contribution to the principles and practice of conducting. His essay On conducting (1869) advanced the earlier work of #### and proposed that conducting was a means by which a musical work could be re-interpreted, rather than simply a mechanism for achieving orchestral unison. The central European conducting tradition which followed Wagner's ideas includes artists such as ####, ####, #### and H####.

Wagner also made significant changes to the conditions under which operas were performed. It was Wagner who first demanded that the lights be dimmed during dramatic performances, and it was his theatre at Bayreuth which first made use of the sunken orchestra pit, which at Bayreuth entirely conceals the orchestra from the audience.

Wagner's influence on literature and philosophy is significant. #### was part of Wagner's inner circle during the early 1870s, and his first published work The Birth of Tragedy proposed Wagner's music as the Dionysian rebirth of European culture in opposition to Apollonian rationalist decadence. #### broke with Wagner following the first Bayreuth Festival, believing that Wagner's final phase represented a pandering to Christian pieties and a surrender to the new demagogic German Reich. In the twentieth century, #### once called Wagner "perhaps the greatest genius that ever lived", while #### and Marcel Proust were heavily influenced by him and discussed Wagner in their novels. He is discussed in some of the works of James Joyce. Wagner is one of the main subjects of T. S. Eliot's The Waste Land, which contains lines from Tristan und Isolde and refers to The Ring and Parsifal. ####, ####and ####worshipped Wagner. Many of the ideas his music brought up, such as the association between love and death (or Eros and Thanatos) in Tristan, predated their investigation by Sigmund Freud.
Mother father! :hot: Every time I replace my one-composer-long list, someone drafts him. Frig.
You've heard of this Wagner guy too?
I hope you'll be giving him extra credit for his out-of-category invention of the power painter, too. :goodposting:
 
9.17 - Idi Amin - Villain (please move Judas to wildcard).

Ugandans initially welcomed Amin's rise to power, and his frequent taunting of Britain, former colonial ruler of much of Africa, often played well on the continent.

But his penchant for the cruel and extravagant became evident in 1972, when he expelled tens of thousands of Asians who had controlled the country's economy. Deprived of its business class, the East African nation plummeted into economic chaos.

Amin declared himself president-for-life of his landlocked country of 24 million, awarded himself an array of medals and ran the country with an iron fist, killing real and imagined enemies.

Human rights groups say from 100,000 to 500,000 people were killed during his 8-year rule. Bodies were dumped into the Nile River because graves couldn't be dug fast enough. At one point, so many bodies were fed to crocodiles that the remains occasionally clogged intake ducts at Uganda's main hydroelectric plant at Jinja.

"Even Amin does not know how many people he has ordered to be executed ... The country is littered with bodies," said Henry Kyemba, Amin's longtime friend and a former health minister, when he defected to Britain in 1977.

Amin was born into the small Kakwa tribe in Koboko, a village in northwestern Uganda. His mother was a self-proclaimed sorceress of the Lugbara tribe and he was in his 30's before he had regular contact with his peasant father.

A semiliterate school dropout, Amin boasted that he knew ``more than doctors of philosophy because as a military man I know how to act.''

"I am a man of action," he said.

And words. He said Hitler "was right to burn six million Jews," and offered to be king of Scotland if asked. He challenged his neighbor and frequent critic, Tanzanian President Julius Nyerere, to a boxing match, and wrote to Richard Nixon wishing him "a speedy recovery" from Watergate.

Amin was a well-regarded officer at the time of Uganda's independence from Britain in 1962, and Obote made him military chief of staff in 1966.

The 250-pound president called himself Dada, or ``Big Daddy,'' and in 1975 was even chosen as for the one-year rotating chairmanship of the Organization of African Unity despite objections from some member states.

But mismanagement and corruption of his entourage drove Uganda into an abyss and its economy tumbled toward subsistence levels. The United States and Britain severed ties during Amin's rule. Israel went from staunch military and economic ally to hated enemy for refusing to support his aggressive military ambitions.

In 1976 a Palestinian group hijacked an Air France airliner to Entebbe Airport in Uganda and kept its Israeli passengers as hostages. Israeli commandos flew to Entebbe under cover of darkness and rescued the captives. Amin claimed he had been trying to negotiate a peaceful resolution, but there was plenty of evidence that he was in league with the hijackers.

Amin's overreaching designs led to his downfall after his troops failed in their attempt to annex parts of Tanzania in Oct. 1978. Tanzanian troops counter-invaded, routed Amin's Soviet- and Arab-equipped army and reached the Ugandan capital, Kampala, in April 1979.

Amin, a convert to Islam, fled to Libya, then Iraq and finally Saudi Arabia, where he was allowed to settle provided he stayed out of politics. In later months, he was joined by one of his two wives and his 22 children.

 
For BobbyLayne:

9.18 (178th pick) - Ivan IV of Russia (aka Ivan the Terrible) - Villain

Ivan IV of Russia, also know as Ivan the Terrible, was the Grand Duke of Muscovy from 1533 to 1547 and was the first ruler of Russia to assume the title of Tsar. In 1570, Ivan was under the belief that the elite of the city of Novgorod planned to defect to Poland, and led an army to stop them on January 2. Ivan’s soldiers built walls around the perimeter of the city in order to prevent the people of the city escaping. Between 500 and 1000 people were gathered every day by the troops, then tortured and killed in front of Ivan and his son. In 1581, Ivan beat his pregnant daughter-in-law for wearing immodest clothing, causing a miscarriage. His son, also named Ivan, upon learning of this, engaged in a heated argument with his father, which resulted in Ivan striking his son in the head with his pointed staff, causing his son’s (accidental) death.
 

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