World's Greatest Draft (2 Viewers)

[timschochet]

I am doing this because a couple of these people have not bothered to inform me if/when they are going to do this, and we need to move on.

I will volunteer to rank rebel, intellectual villain, and/or celebrity.

My standing offer is still in force, as well.

If we need new judges, DougB and Yankee get first choice.If Big Rocks bows out, I will ask NCCommish to judge the scientists. More than any other remaining category, this one requires somebody who knows their stuff.

Just let me know and I'll be glad to do it.

Thanks. Since that post, Big Rocks has let us know that he will have the rankings in shortly.

 

[larry_boy_44]

... I mean, maybe someone should have picked David since, supposedly, his music could cause demons to leave men... That's gotta be some real good music there...)

Maybe someone did pick David

lolas a musician...

 

[larry_boy_44]

10. Isambard Kingdom Brunel – LarryBoy - I had never heard of him before this draft, and yet reading up on him he is considered the greatest engineer in British history. Still, I was very tempted to rank him poorly as a ‘wrong category’ kind of pick since being a great engineer doesn’t necessarily translate to great inventor. However, the only way a lot of the names on this list belong is because their inventions were improvements rather than new creations, and Brunel improved everything that he worked on. All of his many inventions improved transportation, from his rail lines and rail cars, to his bridges and tunnels, to his three transatlantic steamships (the first of their kind). Brunel’s inventions kept England an industrial and global power during his life.

YOU FORGOT ABOUT THE BAR!HE INVENTED THE BAR!!



(sorry, had to...)

 

[timschochet]

We've had some informal ranking of the category judges, but we need someone to do a formal one when all the judging is complete. This person will rank all of the category judges, including me, on fairness, impartiality, knowledge of the subject matter, consistency, etc. Not just a list but a full writeup is required. The person doing it would have to be impartial and not hold a grudge over a draft pick they thought was ranked too low.

Who would like to volunteer for this task?

 

[FUBAR]

We've had some informal ranking of the category judges, but we need someone to do a formal one when all the judging is complete. This person will rank all of the category judges, including me, on fairness, impartiality, knowledge of the subject matter, consistency, etc. Not just a list but a full writeup is required. The person doing it would have to be impartial and not hold a grudge over a draft pick they thought was ranked too low.Who would like to volunteer for this task?

and I hold no grudges (but I might make an exception for you )Larry's fine too, why not have a few of us do it?

 

[wikkidpissah]

i'd like to judge the judging of the judges, if that spot opens up.

 

[NCCommish]

We've had some informal ranking of the category judges, but we need someone to do a formal one when all the judging is complete. This person will rank all of the category judges, including me, on fairness, impartiality, knowledge of the subject matter, consistency, etc. Not just a list but a full writeup is required. The person doing it would have to be impartial and not hold a grudge over a draft pick they thought was ranked too low.Who would like to volunteer for this task?

Someone did a ranking earlier I thought was pretty even handed I think it was Bobby Lane. Whoever does it Krista still remains at the top IMO. Oh and could we pick someone who I haven't pissed off completely? If such a person exists.

 

[timschochet]

i'd like to judge the judging of the judges, if that spot opens up.

I think we should let wikkidpissah do it. He's not a judge; he's not a drafter. He's pretty much read through the thread. He's got his own (weird) ideas, but he's not going to be partial. I think he can do a fair job. However, since he's judging me as well, this can't be my choice alone. I need two people to second the selection of WP. Anyone?

 

[NCCommish]

i'd like to judge the judging of the judges, if that spot opens up.

I think we should let wikkidpissah do it. He's not a judge; he's not a drafter. He's pretty much read through the thread. He's got his own (weird) ideas, but he's not going to be partial. I think he can do a fair job. However, since he's judging me as well, this can't be my choice alone. I need two people to second the selection of WP. Anyone?

All good with me. Wikkid is a thinker I like that.

 

[flysack]

Fichte

Hegel

Trietchke

Spengler

HegelSpengler

Fichte

Triechke (whom I know nothing about).

I absolutely LOVED Spengler's Decline of the West. Amazing work that was ahead of its time.

 

[timschochet]

On second thought, maybe I misread WP's post....

OK, stupid me. He was merely mocking the whole idea, not offering to do it.

In that case, should we have FUBAR do it? Or Larry? I'd like to agree on one person.

 

[wikkidpissah]

i'd like to judge the judging of the judges, if that spot opens up.

I think we should let wikkidpissah do it. He's not a judge; he's not a drafter. He's pretty much read through the thread. He's got his own (weird) ideas, but he's not going to be partial. I think he can do a fair job. However, since he's judging me as well, this can't be my choice alone. I need two people to second the selection of WP. Anyone?

well that - offering to evaluate whoever judged the judges - was a joke, but OK. tell u tho - people who support/ed their selections individually automatically jump up.

 

[NCCommish]

On second thought, maybe I misread WP's post....OK, stupid me. He was merely mocking the whole idea, not offering to do it. In that case, should we have FUBAR do it? Or Larry? I'd like to agree on one person.

Oh what the hell let Larry do it. He has brought the discussion let's see what he's got when it comes time to make the call.

 

[timschochet]

i'd like to judge the judging of the judges, if that spot opens up.

I think we should let wikkidpissah do it. He's not a judge; he's not a drafter. He's pretty much read through the thread. He's got his own (weird) ideas, but he's not going to be partial. I think he can do a fair job. However, since he's judging me as well, this can't be my choice alone. I need two people to second the selection of WP. Anyone?

well that - offering to evaluate whoever judged the judges - was a joke, but OK. tell u tho - people who support/ed their selections individually automatically jump up.

Wait. Now I'm confused. I recognize that I mistakenly took your first remark as an offer to judge when all it was was a joke. But now you're actually offering to judge? Are you sure you want to do the work that's involved, and the feedback as well? It's entirely up to you.

 

[flysack]

i'd like to judge the judging of the judges, if that spot opens up.

The people responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked, have just been sacked.

 

[timschochet]

Larry Boy, at least three people have suggested you should be the one doing this. Therefore, if you say yes, you're the judges' judge. Want the gig? Say yea or nay.

 

[NCCommish]

Larry Boy, at least three people have suggested you should be the one doing this. Therefore, if you say yes, you're the judges' judge. Want the gig? Say yea or nay.

Larry, Larry, Larry.Our Larry has grown up so fast.

 

[Orange Crush]

i'd like to judge the judging of the judges, if that spot opens up.

The people responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked, have just been sacked.

 

[wikkidpissah]

it's not a big deal, but i'd be happy to do it. i have stronger feelings about the judging than the selecting & love to paint a target on my back. i was going to do a round-by-round, but the judging process was too far along by the time my suspension ended. im cool with whatever the consensus is....

 

[FUBAR]

Larry Boy, at least three people have suggested you should be the one doing this. Therefore, if you say yes, you're the judges' judge. Want the gig? Say yea or nay.

Have Larry do it.

 

[NCCommish]

it's not a big deal, but i'd be happy to do it. i have stronger feelings about the judging than the selecting & love to paint a target on my back. i was going to do a round-by-round, but the judging process was too far along by the time my suspension ended. im cool with whatever the consensus is....

I would absolutely support Wikkids appointment as well as Larrys.

 

[Orange Crush]

Is the judging of the judges going to be used to seed a voting tournament of the judges?

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

1. Josef Stalin2. Adolf Hitler3. Vlad the Impaler4. Attila the Hun5. Pol Pot6. Heinrich Himmler7. Torquemada8. Josef Mengele9. Lavrenti Beria 10. Ivan the Terrible11. Osama Bin Ladin12. Adolf Eichman13. Slobodan Milosevic14. Pablo Escobar15. Idi Amin16. Ho Chi Minh17. Saddam Hussein18. Papa Doc Duvalier19. Caligula20. NeroWell, I'm glad you got the first two right. I have always ranked Stalin as slightly worse than Hitler not because of body count, but because, as Hannah Ahrendt has noted, Hitlers main crimes were against outsiders to the state, whereas Stalins main crimes were against members of the state itself. If you were a good aryan citizen of Nazi Germany, you really had nothing to fear from the government so long as you did not challenge it; in fact, prior to 1943 your life was a pretty good one, far better than it had been under Weimar. If you were a good Communist citizen of the Soviet Union in the 1930's, your life was constant fear. Nothing would protect you; no past or current loyalties, no matter how high up you or your friends were, nothing. So far as the rest of the list goes, I'm still not sure that men like Eichmann, Beria, Himmler, and Mengele deserve greater consideration than heads of state. This is a fascinating and deep question, and I can see many sides to it. I certainly don't want to dismiss these four with the idea that they were carrying out orders- that was the typical defense at Nuremberg. But on the other hand, these guys were not the instigators. It seems to me that despite the difference in body count, a guy like Idi Amin who instigates murder should be given greater consideration than a guy like Himmler who carries it out.

Well I did take them down quite a bit from where GTBilly had them at. I agree that a head of state who orders the actions is worse. Just think those two instances (Germany and USSR) trump a lot of other things that have happened.

 

[flysack]

I'll add to the call for Larry.

The potential hilarity is too juicy to resist.

 

[larry_boy_44]

On to the villian rankings.....This was a difficult category to rank because of all the different criteria to consider when ranking (ie body count vs. sick and twisted). In the interest of getting these rankings posted I did not include commentary but I will be around to respond to any comments. My 1 and 2 are really 1a and 1b with a large drop off after that. Unlike GTBilly who prefers mainly sick and twisted my criteria is basically the follows:(this is not an order of how I weighed the criteria just what it was)1. Body Count2. How sick and twisted it was (Impalement is MUCH worse than a bullet in the head)3. How did it impact society?1. Josef Stalin2. Adolf Hitler3. Vlad the Impaler4. Attila the Hun5. Pol Pot6. Heinrich Himmler7. Torquemada8. Josef Mengele9. Lavrenti Beria 10. Ivan the Terrible11. Osama Bin Ladin12. Adolf Eichman13. Slobodan Milosevic14. Pablo Escobar15. Idi Amin16. Ho Chi Minh17. Saddam Hussein18. Papa Doc Duvalier19. Caligula20. Nero

solid list (tho bin Laden would have made top 10 on mine), but Nero @ #20 is disappointing. the emperor's use of tar-coated Christians as tiki torches for events rivals Mengel's experiments & Vlad's St. Bartholomew Day punishments for most venal act of all time.

plus, supposedly, he tried to burn Rome (his own capital city) to the ground simply to blame it on Christians and justify persecuting them even worse...

 

[BobbyLayne]

it's not a big deal, but i'd be happy to do it. i have stronger feelings about the judging than the selecting & love to paint a target on my back. i was going to do a round-by-round, but the judging process was too far along by the time my suspension ended. im cool with whatever the consensus is....

I would absolutely support Wikkids appointment as well as Larrys.

I second the Wikkidpissah appointment.If you appoint LB and Wikkid to do it, maybe they could meet in a poll matchup...

 

[larry_boy_44]

My Ranking of the judges to date

Religious Figures Judge- NC Commish

Here’s where I have a serious ####### problem. This list is all over the place and may as well have been picked out of a hat at random.

I’ll get to mine last. Buddha at 19 is farcical. The debate isn’t about whether Buddhism is a religion or not, but how Buddha influenced the faith held by Billions around the world. That is something this judge has little understating of, faith. Pope Gregory at 14 is stupid. He should be near the bottom. The calendar is hardly one of the greatest religious acts of all time. Joseph Smith at 5, give me a break. I suppose it takes skill to make a religion up, but 5???? Only a mormon would have him there. It’s a minority religion at best. Moses at 1, he’s mentioned the most in the Koran? So what. The word “the” was probably mentioned more, hail o mighty “The” He’s a minor prophet in Islam and who did he refer to as the Father – Abraham. As a man of no faith your ranking of Abraham demonstrates that in spades. His influence is not only in procreating the heads of more than half the worlds population’s religions. He demonstrated faith in doing Gods will, not a self serving demonstration or one to protect his family, but one that was a real test, killing his son. He was prepared to put his own god in front of his family & himself. It can be argued that this single act of faith has guided religion ever since. For a true act of faith you have to put god first and a lot of problems since in the world are down to this simple act. To say all he has done is #### a few women and have children is ignorant and shows what a ridiculous job you did with this category. The whole point of religion is faith. To have a religious judge who didn’t even understand this single point is farcical.

It is not all over the place at all. And faith isn't what Buddhism is about the fact that you don't understand that pretty much undermines your whole rant.

he also said Buddha influenced the faith of billions of people around the world... and I'm pretty sure Buddhism doesn't have a billion "members"...

 

[larry_boy_44]

Larry Boy, at least three people have suggested you should be the one doing this. Therefore, if you say yes, you're the judges' judge. Want the gig? Say yea or nay.

sure, why not...

 

[timschochet]

OK, Larry. You're here, so you have 5 minutes to decide whether or not to be the judge of judges. Here's hoping you have the cojones to accept this position.

If you don't, we'll let wikkidpissah do it, as he has volunteered. But you get first dibs Larry. Decide!

 

[timschochet]

Larry Boy, at least three people have suggested you should be the one doing this. Therefore, if you say yes, you're the judges' judge. Want the gig? Say yea or nay.

sure, why not...

OK, decided!LarryBoy44 will rank all the judges (including me) when they are completed. Can't wait.

 

[Doug B]

Torquemada was the top value in Villains -- 17th taken, 7th ranked. Nice job, Arsenal!

 

[TwinTurbo]

1. Josef Stalin

2. Adolf Hitler

3. Vlad the Impaler

4. Attila the Hun

5. Pol Pot

6. Heinrich Himmler

7. Torquemada

8. Josef Mengele

9. Lavrenti Beria

10. Ivan the Terrible

11. Osama Bin Ladin

12. Adolf Eichman

13. Slobodan Milosevic

14. Pablo Escobar

15. Idi Amin

16. Ho Chi Minh

17. Saddam Hussein

18. Papa Doc Duvalier

19. Caligula

20. Nero

Milosevic is an interesting character as his trial for war crimes ended without a verdict since he died during the proceedings. Many of my Albanian friends depised him but many others think he was less villian and more political opportunist. Not everything is what it seems in that region of the world. There was violence all over the place by numerous groups and factions fighting with each other in this multi-ethnic region. I do think Milosevic was probably a bad guy, but I also believe his reputation as a villian was likely exaggerated as justification during the build-up for the US led Kosovo War. There are questions as to whether some of these reported massacres even occured or whether he had any direct involvement. His overall role as a villian is not as definitive as many of the others on this list, so I would definitely rank him lower than dictators like Saddam Hussein.

 

[Mixlflick1]

On to the villian rankings.....This was a difficult category to rank because of all the different criteria to consider when ranking (ie body count vs. sick and twisted). In the interest of getting these rankings posted I did not include commentary but I will be around to respond to any comments. My 1 and 2 are really 1a and 1b with a large drop off after that. Unlike GTBilly who prefers mainly sick and twisted my criteria is basically the follows:(this is not an order of how I weighed the criteria just what it was)1. Body Count2. How sick and twisted it was (Impalement is MUCH worse than a bullet in the head)3. How did it impact society?1. Josef Stalin2. Adolf Hitler3. Vlad the Impaler4. Attila the Hun5. Pol Pot6. Heinrich Himmler7. Torquemada8. Josef Mengele9. Lavrenti Beria 10. Ivan the Terrible11. Osama Bin Ladin12. Adolf Eichman13. Slobodan Milosevic14. Pablo Escobar15. Idi Amin16. Ho Chi Minh17. Saddam Hussein18. Papa Doc Duvalier19. Caligula20. Nero

solid list (tho bin Laden would have made top 10 on mine), but Nero @ #20 is disappointing. the emperor's use of tar-coated Christians as tiki torches for events rivals Mengel's experiments & Vlad's St. Bartholomew Day punishments for most venal act of all time.

plus, supposedly, he tried to burn Rome (his own capital city) to the ground simply to blame it on Christians and justify persecuting them even worse...

Not to nitpick too much, but he burned Rome to the ground so that he could take the land away from its owners and build his Golden Palace. The burning and blaming on the Christians was an attempt to avoid a rebellion by the elite (the landowners) that would have occurred if he just took it. Killing Christians was a bonus for him.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Torquemada was the top value in Villains -- 17th taken, 7th ranked. Nice job, Arsenal!

You know what they say... Nobody expects the Spa... oh, never mind.ETA, for those who haven't noticed I have both Isabella and Torquemada on my team, so be careful who you choose to cross support come voting time.

 

[larry_boy_44]

On to the villian rankings.....This was a difficult category to rank because of all the different criteria to consider when ranking (ie body count vs. sick and twisted). In the interest of getting these rankings posted I did not include commentary but I will be around to respond to any comments. My 1 and 2 are really 1a and 1b with a large drop off after that. Unlike GTBilly who prefers mainly sick and twisted my criteria is basically the follows:(this is not an order of how I weighed the criteria just what it was)1. Body Count2. How sick and twisted it was (Impalement is MUCH worse than a bullet in the head)3. How did it impact society?1. Josef Stalin2. Adolf Hitler3. Vlad the Impaler4. Attila the Hun5. Pol Pot6. Heinrich Himmler7. Torquemada8. Josef Mengele9. Lavrenti Beria 10. Ivan the Terrible11. Osama Bin Ladin12. Adolf Eichman13. Slobodan Milosevic14. Pablo Escobar15. Idi Amin16. Ho Chi Minh17. Saddam Hussein18. Papa Doc Duvalier19. Caligula20. Nero

solid list (tho bin Laden would have made top 10 on mine), but Nero @ #20 is disappointing. the emperor's use of tar-coated Christians as tiki torches for events rivals Mengel's experiments & Vlad's St. Bartholomew Day punishments for most venal act of all time.

plus, supposedly, he tried to burn Rome (his own capital city) to the ground simply to blame it on Christians and justify persecuting them even worse...

Not to nitpick too much, but he burned Rome to the ground so that he could take the land away from its owners and build his Golden Palace. The burning and blaming on the Christians was an attempt to avoid a rebellion by the elite (the landowners) that would have occurred if he just took it. Killing Christians was a bonus for him.

ok... still...Plus, did I mention that he's the most likely person that the scriptures in the book of Revelation referring to the antichrist are talking about? Nero = antichristI should so be #1...

 

[Andy Dufresne]

(this is not an order of how I weighed the criteria just what it was)1. Body Count2. How sick and twisted it was (Impalement is MUCH worse than a bullet in the head)3. How did it impact society?1. Josef Stalin2. Adolf Hitler3. Vlad the Impaler4. Attila the Hun5. Pol Pot6. Heinrich Himmler

By those criteria, I still think that Himmler should be higher. I don't know how you get more sick and twisted than being the engineer of both the Holocaust AND the SS activities as they pushed their westward expansion.But #6 isn't terrible, I guess.

 

[Doug B]

I agree that a head of state who orders the actions is worse.

That accounts for Vlad's score -- a head of state who commits (some of) the actions, and then finds the ensuing fresh carnage to be a great backdrop for a banquet.

 

[BobbyLayne]

We've had some informal ranking of the category judges, but we need someone to do a formal one when all the judging is complete. This person will rank all of the category judges, including me, on fairness, impartiality, knowledge of the subject matter, consistency, etc. Not just a list but a full writeup is required. The person doing it would have to be impartial and not hold a grudge over a draft pick they thought was ranked too low.Who would like to volunteer for this task?

LB will be fine; it may be incoherent, but it will probably be a good stress reliever for him.

 

[DCThunder]

Torquemada was the top value in Villains -- 17th taken, 7th ranked. Nice job, Arsenal!

You know what they say... Nobody expects the Spa... oh, never mind.ETA, for those who haven't noticed I have both Isabella and Torquemada on my team, so be careful who you choose to cross support come voting time.

Torquemeda wasn't a "head of state" so by Tim's definition he shouldn't rank as high as he has. Queen Isabella should be the real villian.

 

[dparker713]

My Ranking of the judges to date

Religious Figures Judge- NC Commish

Here’s where I have a serious ####### problem. This list is all over the place and may as well have been picked out of a hat at random.

I’ll get to mine last. Buddha at 19 is farcical. The debate isn’t about whether Buddhism is a religion or not, but how Buddha influenced the faith held by Billions around the world. That is something this judge has little understating of, faith. Pope Gregory at 14 is stupid. He should be near the bottom. The calendar is hardly one of the greatest religious acts of all time. Joseph Smith at 5, give me a break. I suppose it takes skill to make a religion up, but 5???? Only a mormon would have him there. It’s a minority religion at best. Moses at 1, he’s mentioned the most in the Koran? So what. The word “the” was probably mentioned more, hail o mighty “The” He’s a minor prophet in Islam and who did he refer to as the Father – Abraham. As a man of no faith your ranking of Abraham demonstrates that in spades. His influence is not only in procreating the heads of more than half the worlds population’s religions. He demonstrated faith in doing Gods will, not a self serving demonstration or one to protect his family, but one that was a real test, killing his son. He was prepared to put his own god in front of his family & himself. It can be argued that this single act of faith has guided religion ever since. For a true act of faith you have to put god first and a lot of problems since in the world are down to this simple act. To say all he has done is #### a few women and have children is ignorant and shows what a ridiculous job you did with this category. The whole point of religion is faith. To have a religious judge who didn’t even understand this single point is farcical.

It is not all over the place at all. And faith isn't what Buddhism is about the fact that you don't understand that pretty much undermines your whole rant.

The belief in reincarnation and enlightment as well as the use of ritual in some forms of Buddhism very much are matters of faith. This has been brought up several times before to you, yet you've never answered this assertion.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Wow, Gigantomachia is even more of a snob than I am.

I'm a self-conscious mockery of a snob. Gigantomachia seems like he's full blown.

Thanks for taking the heat off me, brother!

My pleasure.

You're welcome.I was also looking forward to battling you over Socrates, but frankly I see no way to argue with a priest who refers to esoteric texts instead of providing arguments.

The crux of your opinion relies on "current trends in scholarship" from a particular school that sees Socrates as less and less relevant. I haven't been part of philosophical scholarship in over a decade (when I was a philosophy undergrad) and even when I got back into theory, it was theory - the stuff that came after Heidegger and the so-called "death of philosophy." So whatever I argue will be dismissed as "old hat" by you (or as an irreconcilable difference in camps) and we'll get nowhere.

I will offer this though: any post Nietzschean worth his ink values Socrates much more than Plato. Once you tease out the distinction between the two Greeks (and this is a gray area), most conclude that Socrates resembled the Pre-Socrates more than Plato. He was something of a bridge between Pre-Socratic thought and Plato. This is why the post-Nietzscheans tend to love Socrates: he represents a pinnacle for them, that was eventually spoiled by Plato.

For that, I would rank Socrates much much higher than you. He's at least top 7.

*Edited several times for little things, because I'm still waking up and clearing the cobwebs from my noggin.

Stellar.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Torquemada was the top value in Villains -- 17th taken, 7th ranked. Nice job, Arsenal!

You know what they say... Nobody expects the Spa... oh, never mind.ETA, for those who haven't noticed I have both Isabella and Torquemada on my team, so be careful who you choose to cross support come voting time.

Torquemeda wasn't a "head of state" so by Tim's definition he shouldn't rank as high as he has. Queen Isabella should be the real villian.

You are on the list.

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

My Ranking of the judges to date

Religious Figures Judge- NC Commish

Here’s where I have a serious ####### problem. This list is all over the place and may as well have been picked out of a hat at random.

I’ll get to mine last. Buddha at 19 is farcical. The debate isn’t about whether Buddhism is a religion or not, but how Buddha influenced the faith held by Billions around the world. That is something this judge has little understating of, faith. Pope Gregory at 14 is stupid. He should be near the bottom. The calendar is hardly one of the greatest religious acts of all time. Joseph Smith at 5, give me a break. I suppose it takes skill to make a religion up, but 5???? Only a mormon would have him there. It’s a minority religion at best. Moses at 1, he’s mentioned the most in the Koran? So what. The word “the” was probably mentioned more, hail o mighty “The” He’s a minor prophet in Islam and who did he refer to as the Father – Abraham. As a man of no faith your ranking of Abraham demonstrates that in spades. His influence is not only in procreating the heads of more than half the worlds population’s religions. He demonstrated faith in doing Gods will, not a self serving demonstration or one to protect his family, but one that was a real test, killing his son. He was prepared to put his own god in front of his family & himself. It can be argued that this single act of faith has guided religion ever since. For a true act of faith you have to put god first and a lot of problems since in the world are down to this simple act. To say all he has done is #### a few women and have children is ignorant and shows what a ridiculous job you did with this category. The whole point of religion is faith. To have a religious judge who didn’t even understand this single point is farcical.

It is not all over the place at all. And faith isn't what Buddhism is about the fact that you don't understand that pretty much undermines your whole rant.

he also said Buddha influenced the faith of billions of people around the world... and I'm pretty sure Buddhism doesn't have a billion "members"...

Dead people don't count?Billions of people in the last 2500 years have been Buddhist. It's a top 5 religion based around the teachings of 1 person, not like Christianity or even arguably Islam

Dictionary definition of Buddhism

1. The teaching of Buddha that life is permeated with suffering caused by desire, that suffering ceases when desire ceases, and that enlightenment obtained through right conduct, wisdom, and meditation releases one from desire, suffering, and rebirth.

2. The religion represented by the many groups, especially numerous in Asia, that profess varying forms of this doctrine and that venerate Buddha.

I'm not even going to go on about Abraham anymore.

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

My Ranking of the judges to date

Religious Figures Judge- NC Commish

Here’s where I have a serious ####### problem. This list is all over the place and may as well have been picked out of a hat at random.

I’ll get to mine last. Buddha at 19 is farcical. The debate isn’t about whether Buddhism is a religion or not, but how Buddha influenced the faith held by Billions around the world. That is something this judge has little understating of, faith. Pope Gregory at 14 is stupid. He should be near the bottom. The calendar is hardly one of the greatest religious acts of all time. Joseph Smith at 5, give me a break. I suppose it takes skill to make a religion up, but 5???? Only a mormon would have him there. It’s a minority religion at best. Moses at 1, he’s mentioned the most in the Koran? So what. The word “the” was probably mentioned more, hail o mighty “The” He’s a minor prophet in Islam and who did he refer to as the Father – Abraham. As a man of no faith your ranking of Abraham demonstrates that in spades. His influence is not only in procreating the heads of more than half the worlds population’s religions. He demonstrated faith in doing Gods will, not a self serving demonstration or one to protect his family, but one that was a real test, killing his son. He was prepared to put his own god in front of his family & himself. It can be argued that this single act of faith has guided religion ever since. For a true act of faith you have to put god first and a lot of problems since in the world are down to this simple act. To say all he has done is #### a few women and have children is ignorant and shows what a ridiculous job you did with this category. The whole point of religion is faith. To have a religious judge who didn’t even understand this single point is farcical.

It is not all over the place at all. And faith isn't what Buddhism is about the fact that you don't understand that pretty much undermines your whole rant.

The belief in reincarnation and enlightment as well as the use of ritual in some forms of Buddhism very much are matters of faith. This has been brought up several times before to you, yet you've never answered this assertion.

Exactly. Some would say faith is fairly important in religions, yet the judge doesn't even understand the concept.Joseph Smith is more important than anyone from 6 down. Absurd & clueless

faith   /feɪθ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [feyth] Show IPA

–noun

1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.

2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.

3. belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims.

4. belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.: to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.

5. a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith.

6. the obligation of loyalty or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement, etc.: Failure to appear would be breaking faith.

7. the observance of this obligation; fidelity to one's promise, oath, allegiance, etc.: He was the only one who proved his faith during our recent troubles.

8. Christian Theology. the trust in God and in His promises as made through Christ and the Scriptures by which humans are justified or saved.

 

[larry_boy_44]

you guys do realize that having faith in something is not necessarily indicative of a religion, right?

 

[NCCommish]

you guys do realize that having faith in something is not necessarily indicative of a religion, right?

No they don't.Just wanted to add this whole argument is just more of the same. If people say they have faith in Evolutionary Theory someone will claim it is a religion. When of course it isn't. I see someone put up a definition:

confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in anothers ability

seems they ignored the very first entry.

 

[Doug B]

Any more rankings out there?

 

[larry_boy_44]

anyone have links to where the judges posted their judging?

I wanna get a head start on my ranking since I have some ideas of where/how I'm going to rank a number of the judges who have already given their rankings...

Also, do you guys want me to rank those who judged two categories as one entry or two seperate entries? I'm leaning towards two, but input is always welcome...

 

[Thorn]

Man, this is some serious business in here.

CrankyDraft has been activated.

Hey, that's my trademark!

My people have been in touch with yours. Did you want the check made payable to you or a yet-to-be-named LLC?

 

[Thorn]

1. Josef Stalin2. Adolf Hitler3. Vlad the Impaler4. Attila the Hun5. Pol Pot6. Heinrich Himmler7. Torquemada8. Josef Mengele9. Lavrenti Beria 10. Ivan the Terrible11. Osama Bin Ladin12. Adolf Eichman13. Slobodan Milosevic14. Pablo Escobar15. Idi Amin16. Ho Chi Minh17. Saddam Hussein18. Papa Doc Duvalier19. Caligula20. Nero

I guess I don't get my guy (Milosevic) being that low. He commited genocide to the tune of 200,000 (criterea 1), much of his killing included "extra credit" items like rapes of women in front of family members and the killing of all males regardless of age (criterea 2), and caused absolute chaos in the Balkans and a crisis throughout the rest of the world regarding how to respond. Seems like several ahead of him can't make that good of a case.